the of tolerance in our politics, conservative, see their world being appended liberals view. conservatives with contempt. of course, the media only makes things worse. we all lost coping compromise and peaceful coexistence. in the cross talking to vista politics, i'm joined by my get spits of roberto and winchester. he is vice president of public relations for z labs and in miami we have sorry a false. she is a former us presidential candidate, or a cross type rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. chris, let me go to you 1st here. i think all of us ok. so right. it's a bit younger than us, but all of us were brought up in the tradition of, of tolerance and compromise. and now that, that issue is patently not true anymore. calling the f b i on parents that are angry about what's going on in their children's schools.

cancel culture. your, your, if you disagree with the left, somehow one way or another, you're a racist and you're a big it in your home phone. your all these names here, this is not part of the parcel of our political culture. this is a relatively new phenomenon and it's only getting worse. go ahead, chris. it is, and i keep thinking to myself that we're going to have this course correction, you know, look, we lease, i grew up in this idea about a battle of a battle of ideas. you know, and that people weren't afraid to debate where that, what they believed in that, that was actually like a calling card of, of the kind of strength of your convictions was your willingness to go and debate people and to hear opposing opinions. and that's completely lost in our system today. and i, you know, i mentioned to you off off air that you're the kind of libertarian street that we have in, in the american right of kind of live in let live at this point is kind of killing

us. because the other side is not content with live and let live for decades, we as conservative, lost control of pop culture. we lost control of the public education system. we lost control of the college system. we lost control the media because we were busy doing other things. people were living their life and were like, hey, if people want to believe different things, that's fine. unfortunately, the left doesn't see it that way. they believe that you must agree with them. you are not allowed to dissent, you're not allowed to have another opinion. and by the way, it's no longer, not just enough for them to simply label though, that you know, homophobic or big it it now they're saying the voices can actually be heard. yeah, we can't just, it's not a person say they're bad. we're saying no, actually now they must be d platform. well, so anyway, we can't have a civil society. if this, if we continue down this path here, i mean, i am just flabbergasted and interest. do you agree with what chris had to say?

if you deviate from what they call the main stream, which for me is very radical. you're not part of the conversation anymore. you're a libertarian. libertarians are very much in, i'm not. but libertarians are very much for the ideas, okay, in the public square, get on your soapbox and go right ahead. everyone has the right to do that. but even now, if freedom of speech is being defined by corporations, where's the constitution on these things here? this is a radical departure from, from our traditions. i know liberals hate tradition. i like tradition because it's a point of reference. i do embrace change. i really do, but we have a point of reference. they want to take that point to reference away, go ahead in miami, you want to talk about freedom of speech and freedom of speech that analyst than that media is a 4th branch of government because it most public opinion and we see it now more than ever i mean, we have p r firms marketing firms that are running the narrative of this country's media liberal, corporate back media,

and like the whole thing with the black lives matter movement in the me to movement . that's run by sdk knickerbocker who happens to have it happens to be in need of done that works for bite. and so they're the ones that are pushing the narrative. they're the ones that are suppressing, you know, and things from being out there. just recently, enrique tauriel or into black lives minor banner, and he's sitting in jail right now. he had to turn himself in 5 months. but if you bring the american flag, nothing happens to you. and funny enough bringing it. i get into what we're discussing today with cold it, he's on vaccinated, i'm on vaccinated. i can't see him physically. and he can't even shave. do you know where that is? that's in humane just because he's not vaccinated. they're, they're totally doing away with people. right. and it's not just too many of the guys, even the ones that are sitting in jail because of january 6th till today, haven't had a court appearance and they don't have them sitting there. i mean, that's so unconstitutional to think that this is the united states of america,

where you are innocent until proven guilty. and the fact that we have the democrats putting in the white house. this is what's happening to the people, you know, chris, the, the thing that crosses my mind a lot, a lot of the ideas that they say are mainstream, very few of them, if any of them have 50 percent plus one support and the, you know, and then you look at the, the balance of power in the federal government. well, it's razor thin here. there is no mandate for any of the things that they're pushing here. but they act as if it was l, b, j and, and f b r. ok. i mean, people simply are not on board here. that's why to go to the very beginning of our program. you know, we need to have dialogue. we're going to move forward because you can't shut people . i mean, you have a large group of people long enough. we're going to start hating you back. that's what's going to happen here. and that's a very dangerous voice ago. go ahead, chris. know if your site looks up. so this started really the,

this kind of new level of demonizing fellow americans started with hillary clinton . it really started with hillary clinton, demonizing trump, voters. i said at the time you talked about the basket, deplorable. and this is kind of, this is kind of unprecedented in the past. we've had candidates who went after candidates, but the goal was always to move voters to, to try to like, hey, i know you're thinking about voting for this guy, but actually, i'm better for you. i'll create a country that is, is going to provide better for you as a country that you're going to like better. and hillary decided she made the calculation. actually you want to know what i'm willing, the right off the percentage of the population. i'm going to demonize them, they're going to be the bad guys. and then during the 4 years of the trump presidency, we saw the media do this on steroids. it was, you know, showing up at the doors. a woman who posted a, me him on facebook and claiming that she was some part of some sort of conspiracy. you know, it was, it suddenly became not about trying to win these battles of ideas and move voters

to convince them of the rightness of their position. instead it became about demonizing fellow americans this, this is, this is not a part of who we have been as a country, right. it is fundamentally, you know, in medical help this country was built. well, chris, i mean, you said, you know, hillary clinton said those famous words on the campaign trail or that's okay. i understand that. okay. but joe biden is saying it in the white house. he's losing patience with the, with the, the population with the electorate. okay. and are we know specifically who is losing patients with sir? i that me, we have a sitting president that is demonizing half the country. i thought this was supposed to be the unity president and good again considering the razor thin margins here. you know, he's on the wrong path. he's not convincing anyone as matter fact, he's losing support within his own party. go ahead in miami, isn't it funny how? that's how the democrats always thought they're always the ones that are the fighters for its civil liberties and whatnot. yeah, yeah, and there ones are mostly causing the divide within this country with the narrative

and with their actions and what it is that they're doing, they're firing people for not having to vaccine yet. if you're vaccinated you can still get it. you can still spread it, you still have to get tested if you're going to travel. so what about all these americans that they're trying to say right now? this and by an administration is trying to help women. they're throwing people out of their jobs. they're forcing them out to health care workers, let's say in new york, or if somebody's gonna go eat a restaurant at their husbands, not vaccinate antique out because they can eat they, they have to show a vaccine. what kind of country are we living in? we're supposed to be in the greatest nation in the world example of freedoms. and even yet, we're doing this to our people. i mean, forget the fact that we've become the laughing stock with what happened when us, honest. and unfortunately, in all this administration has no control whatsoever. the best thing that i could do right now is it any ensure dignity left in him is to resign along with camilla

harris? well yeah, i think, yeah, i mean, but i think it's even simpler than that, chris, i mean, chris, you know, on january 20th he should have just left everything alone. i think it, i think you'd be high in the, in the polls right now. i really believe that the boys, the these, this b team tinkers with things the more it's always the law of unintended consequences . that's what this administration is all about so far. go ahead, chris. well, it was awful. it's a fundamental misread, of what mandate to the extent that joe biden had one that he actually had. i mean, the fact is, it biden ran is just kind of milk coast. i'll be the guy who make sure that the trains run on time. i'm the, the, the old washington hand and things will be call me and, and things go back to normal and we won't have this kind of craziness. he didn't run on any of this absurdity. you know, and the truth is, i look, i said at the i said from the very beginning that the biden presidency in the biden presidential campaign was a trojan horse. and it's not being there, not strings being pulled by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. it's

a whole bunch of mid level white house folks, ivy league educated completely and totally out of touch with the way most americans live. and quite frankly, don't care about how most americans live and this is their opportunity. they've got a pliable president who's willing to do whatever they tell him to do. who's willing to go back on everything that he said during his campaign. he's been the most to visit president of my lifetime buying on sha mine to buy him by you even by he's trying to be to ship it like there are people who go to the trumpet. the visit to the truck was the best because there are people who just didn't like trump, and there are people who liked him. and he rubs people to the wrong way. biden's actually going out and saying we have good guys and bad guys in this country. and that if you disagree with him, you're one of the bad guys. and the amazing thing is this whole demon ization of unvaccinated people in this country isn't helping move the needle at all in terms of your getting anybody to think that this, this vaccine is safe,

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the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with when i see black merger, i see part of myself. i was growing up like a marriage, a spoke to me when, why destroyed you did not. those who say black marsh measure is a movement we are importing from america. no, nothing of who we are. i lived in a world where the wife lives mattered. and i was not wide like was noon. and i wasn't known from black america. i learned how to speak back to whiteness. aboriginal people here, i'm more every day we're out wanted system. now with the police were out with she

states, i'm scared that more children are going to grow up in the country that think says no racism, but they're more likely to end up in the criminal justice system. then there are other sheller friends in daycare. ah ah ah, welcome back to cross top where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. tro manager were discussing device of politics. ah.

okay, now we're joined by jamie wright. she is founder of the right employment lawyer lawyers and a political pundit welcomed jamie. i know we had some technical problems here. we were talking in the 1st part of the program are talking about the lack of tolerance and our politics right now. and that is something that we're a relatively new, we've always had differences and squabbles. we have always been a bit tribal when it comes to politics, but now it's it both side see the other is an extreme. and how did that get to the point where we have it now, and is there anything that can reverse it? go ahead, jamie, i'm not sure that there is. i mean, people seem to be dividing long identity politics and i think that identity politics is also something that causes people to move further and further into to their tribal lines. i think the other thing is when we have social media outlets who are crashing people and silencing them, who have opinions that don't fall in line with the average rhetoric that's being put out by these groups. we have the, you know,

getting rid of the 1st amendment rights and people saying things that you don't agree with that causes an continual divide. so i'm not sure that we ever go back to a state where we can actually listen to each other. and we just continue to be tolerably and tell her, well, i mean, chris, i, i'm not sure we can go much further. i mean, i've already started doing programs on secession. okay, because i mean, i mean, jamie said, you know, identity politics. i'm not interested in identity politics whatsoever. i'm interested in ideas. okay. and the promises and since i don't want to talk about identity politics, it means i'm somehow a bad person. okay. great. and, and, and i'm, that's not true. i, i, what i don't like is i don't want to have to speak your language and speak in terms of your rhetoric. i have my own opinions. okay. and this is where people are being driven off the playing field. go ahead, chris. well, and jamie actually made a really great point. the more that that, that, that big tack and social media attempt to silence voices that they find objectionable. busy what they do is those voices don't go away,

they go to their own echo chamber. that's right. you know, like and, and so what, what happens as a result of that is not that those people like, or like a god. i really should think twice about how i what i believe it know what they think is i'm doubling down on what i believe van. and now i even more view the other side as the enemy. and so the, all of this talk about like the of dis, information, we got d platform, this person that person. what it's doing is it's driving ideological partisanship. it's driving division as country and hardening the idea that there is good guys and bad guys in this country. and there's no way forward united as a country and that's really, really terrifying. you know, it may have been sorry. i think one of the things that i find to terrify over the last few new cycles is the attorney general will call in the f b. i, again, as against parents protesting at school boards, i mean number one, what is the f b i have to do with that. if there is a squabble or people get hot under the collar call the local police may be, i mean,

why is this happening here? and, and what that does is, again, as i said in the 1st part of the program, it just enrages people more. i mean them, if you hate a large group of people long enough the but that large group of people will start hating you back and then there's no such thing as dialogue anymore. go ahead in miami. oh, of course. i mean, i mean, i'm an educator. i recently started going back into the classroom in the last 2 weeks and i really seen the tension and the difference in what's going on at the elementary school level. imagine they're, they're allowing, they're not even letting the parents know if the kids have cool that in the class, the only ones that be inform and they tell warranties are the 2 kids that sit in front and behind them. and one child, each of the school nurse told me, is up to the discretion of each individual school. and florida is different compared to other states, how they're dealing with things. but just the idea of certain parents not knowing. and there was a pregnant teacher in the room and she could expose herself,

you know, being like, you have to take into consideration. and as the reason why there's a lot of tempers fuming and things like that. but the only way that we can really, really bring everybody back together and unite is to really stand our ground on our principles and the factor in our freedoms are freedoms of choice. it's really disappointing to see how the democrats will push the narrative on freedom of choice when it comes to abortion. yet when it comes to the vaccine, they want to force it down our throats and i respect everybody's decision and the reason to take it on the are there and the media on this and these people in the corporate acting. and they're trying to surprise the ones from exposing all this is ridiculous because the people at the other they do have to take your own conscientious decision in their life. not everybody. you know, i mean if i get, if i could just go ahead, jump in, i could just, i was going to say like, you know, look at the truth, isn't, this is i, again, you talk about like it creating these divisions. i mean, the fact is,

is that everything that the government has done so far has been at the behest of big pharmaceutical companies who are completely and totally laser focused on creating a vaccine that would make them billions and billions of dollars instead of actually any type of early treatment of, of cobra during the early days of the pandemic. i do work for dr. vladimir the link . who was one of the, the early pioneers was saying, we can't just let people get to the point of. so go home, get so sick that you have to come back and be on a ventilator. we need to have early treatment. and he was demonized by the american media and ridiculed by the american media. and now hey, by the way, guess what? now big firm is like, oh, guess what? now we've got an early treatment by the way, it'll make us billions and billions of more dollars. and this is so absolutely transparent to the american people. they feed us and they say, this isn't right. you told us at the height of the pandemic, that there was no treatment just you had to go home and get so sick that you might die. and now suddenly that big pharma has decided they can catch you on this. now

we're supposed to treat like this pill as the greatest thing since sliced bread it's. it's truly disturbing. you know, tell me what do you see? hang on, let me get to because it was only and it's only in the 2nd part of the program. and jamie, one of the things, what i really worry about not only are there really deep divisions called, and we have the, i haven't even mentioned the culture wars here. but, you know, i think, overall, for a lot of people, there's a greater distrust of authorities, of all authorities, for the reasons that chris just gave. i mean, you know, you know, the pandemic, we knew nobody knew what to do, but change in your story over and over and over and over and over again. people get very disillusioned by that and people get very resistant. ok. and if you're 4 or something and it can be a lot of issues, maybe in this case it's covered, you're labeled is something that may not necessarily be true. it's just a lot of people. i just don't trust the authorities, eddie more. okay. and we've seen the politicization of science, which i think is a really bad direction to go and go here in los angeles. yeah,

i actually agree with that. i mean, and look, i'm not one who says, you know, with your rhetoric, you should incite violence or harm to anybody. that, of course, should be silent. but when you are simply just silencing opinions that are different from you, that is troubling. for instance, you know, my 75 or 80 year. oh great on am i going to demonize her because she doesn't trust the vaccine travelers? not already. somebody who lived through tuskegee a record online. right. who is aware of their life for sterilizations, yet of black and latino women in prisons in california, in 2006 in 2010. i mean, we're not talking about ancient history. my going to demonize that person? no, i. and so we have to be real that, you know, the science is, of course, trust some science, but sometimes you have to all the dollar with some of the science. and that also leads back to politics. who's making the decisions here? well, at the end, that's the big point here. chris, is that we as individuals have a right to make decisions about our lives. that's the whole issue here and,

and you get push back for it, which is a, for me, at my age, it is the sounding okay. i will make decisions based on information that i have. and you can make bad decisions, but that's on me. okay? and i think that's a better society of saying it's on me. and instead of saying this person did this or this because this person isn't vaccinated, this is a bad result and go on and on, the individual's been taken completely out of this. go ahead, chris. well, and by the way, i didn't. jamie's completely right in the of the media try to portray the only people who are vaccine hesitant in this country as being like a bunch of look i live on the west virginia virginia border. the whole bunch of like rural trump vote and people who are to dom the know what's good for him. and the fact is there's tons of, of african americans of latinos who remember terrible things that happened. as jamie pointed out, that aren't so far distant in our, in our task. and instead of making the case to those people, instead of saying, let's embraced some actual conversation about the science here about what we're,

what doesn't work. instead, we've said you can't ask questions if you ask question, you're a bad person, just do what we tell you to the fundamentally on american and as i said before, this doesn't make people trust the science and trust the medical professionals more . in fact, it undermines that trust because they know if they're not allowed to ask questions than that. it's because they won't like the answers. the whole point of this program is how we can find consensus. again. we have a panel member that is not vaccinated. i am vaccinated, i made my personal choice, and that is my personal opinion. people should be allowed to make their personal choice about this as all the time. we have many thanks my guest in winchester, miami, and in los angeles. and thanks to our viewers who are watching us here, r t. c. and next time. remember crosswalk rules ah ah.

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