ah, ready for action. russia fills one section of the nord stream to pipeline with natural gas and awaits the final green light from regulators to start supplying europe. that says that you, commissioner warns energy poverty on the continent, is set to rise. also ahead, tortured angel for 17 years without trial, we explore the case of a pakistani national, who still in guantanamo despite being cleared for release after it emerged. he's been mistaken for a terrorist. and a former researcher at google accuses that tech giant of using racist algorithms. timid and gab ruth spoke to ortiz, going underground. there's lots of, i think,

all right, a lot of ad e. p i, that fell out of me. i don't need a facial math in hulu . live across the globe. i run the clock. this is the news. our on our t pleasure, the have your company, my name's union o'neill. we will get to those headline stories in just a moment, but we begin with news justin on it is a significant development. the work of the russian mission to nato will be suspended from november 1st, so that's around 2 weeks from now. less than that, in fact, rushes foreign minister surrogate love roth say's russia has taken the step in response to nato's expulsion of russian diplomats. we know that nato recently revoke the accreditation of 8 members of that russian at mission. moscow say that

nato should now use the russian imposter to belgium for any context, for that news, just in the work of the russian mission, the nato is to be suspended from november the 1st to any and all significant developments on. busy that i am much in the will be in the coming hours. we will, of course, bring them to russia's taken a major step forward in reading the nord stream to pipeline, to pump natural gas to millions of european homes. the 1st of 2 sections has now been filled in fact, to the require pressure. the operator out of work is underway to fill the rest of the network, which links russia to germany via the baltic sea. the pipeline no only need final approval from european regulators. and it comes as europe is gripped by an energy crisis with gas prices recently passing in all time high. your officials at war that's more people won't be able to afford to heat their homes. let's go live

now to ortiz charlotte to ben sky, for at more of a sense on what the session isn't as like on the content, highlighting how large indeed is the specter of energy poverty looming over europe . right now it's a term we're increasingly hearing what we're hearing that there is a lot of concern with the in the e, you about this idea of poverty energy crisis here, particularly as a winter crisis looms over those increases in prices of gas in energy in general, so much so that the ease labor commissioner has warned that many more could be pushed into fuel poverty. as a result of the situation, there are already millions of people suffering from energy poverty. and that number could increase the commission could help

e u. countries to limit the effects of the current high energy prices on people, but it was primarily up to national governments take action. just to give you a sense at the moment, at the figures suggested around 2700000 households are struggling to reasonably heat their homes across europe at the moment. and that's the figure for people who are already in jobs that doesn't include pensioners. it doesn't include those who are unemployed or students even so the figure actually could be far higher with people having a problem with just getting enough heat in their homes or having enough money to pay for gas for cooking for their food. now, some e u member states have already tried to mitigate this, they offering ways of yielding the most poverty poor from this rising prices. meanwhile, politicians are perhaps shifting the blame, pointing the finger at russia, saying it's russia that is sewing the seeds of the problem. at the moment. there

have been countless articles debates old t v and radio front covers just like this front cover, the focus magazine in germany. really suggesting that the blame is to do with president putin, that headline on that magazine. suggesting that putin has cut the gas off. he to germany, he's raised the prices and he's using gas as a weapon in this war. well, for others, that's a pretty baffling sentiment, including the outgoing german chancellor anglo merkel who is one to not mince her words. festus gift kiner to my knowledge. there are noses the russian has said, we won't deliver it to you, especially not with regard to the pipeline of ukraine. russia can only deliver gas on the basis of contractual obligations. and not just only like that, that would law. well, for the moment russia supplies around 50 percent of the use natural gas. there was a tail off during the pandemic where there was less gas coming through it. but it

said that those supplies are back to normal at present. and for some analysts, the problem is in russia, this is a problem that is all to do with the use own decisions. until a few years ago, the european energy market was very stable, characterized by 10 to 15 year gas contract with russia. but then brussels wanted to introduce more flexibility with you along to him con trucks to reduce its dependence russian gas there by increasing price volatility and feeding the current crisis. and of course, as seen, the you have to, via for gas supplies on the open market, having to compete with other markets like the asian market themselves. also wanting to get hold of those gas supplies. they're is up in others as well in the e that say that the real root of this problem is the ease drive towards a greener energy policy. and it's been doing that in a lackluster way, by at the same time being incredibly aggressive at shutting down its own domestic

gas fields. and also pushing people away you from coal fired at stations. so the realities, while it might be pretty sexy to blame this on russia. what's really less sexy is what probably has happened. and the fact that it seems that the e u is the root of the problem of all of this when it comes to this energy crisis. thanks. ra charlotte, rti, charlotte, do, misty, live, and program. well, let's continue the story. i'm delighted to welcome onto our tea doctor on k hummer, economist on publisher of the vert shaft actual business newsletter. welcome to you, sir. the u. e. u. labor commissioner is warning of horizon in so named energy poverty. high rail is our threat in your view. well, the threat is real because energy prices climb, even though they should do not need to climb because they are normal suppliers in

germany have nominee long lasting contracts, especially with these renewable any g suppliers, but also with russia from get from get so. busy the price climb at the market is not necessarily has not necessarily to be passed on to the normal person on the, on the street. but i guess they want this. so i'm not thinking very much only at incompetence from the european union in this matter, but also from geo strategic purposes because they are so obvious. nicholas schmidt also said that it was primarily up to national governments to do something about the unraveling situation. quite interesting, isn't it? not coming from a key figure of the block? this is very interesting and it is not only the national government to do something

. if you look at the rhetoric interest and the very severe metrics networks in behind who control national interest, you see on the one hand that the u. s. wants to sell. it's far too expensive and environmental, catastrophic breaking gas and merkel promised biden to buy some of that gas for far too much money. so people, the ordinary man on the street has to be used to, to get higher gas prices. and you can just not tell him because of the friendship the us, you know, have to pay more. so what a coincidence that the market price is rising. then on the other hand, you have got to be the french, the french one. don't want germany to be energy independent at all. they never wanted to be jo at germany to be energy independent may offered general c 2 to supply the cheap atomic power to germany. so. busy to get germany in the black mailing position and the same with the polish, even the polish,

i don't want germany to be energy efficient, especially not with russia. and the 2nd thing is that they are daily, they deli want to have the trying to see from, from russia, and what to create to them. that even the governments made promises to recreate and poland for 4 credit fees. i mean, the, the g strategic interests are so obvious that i don't believe in, in it just coincidentally, or in just, yeah, i, as you say that it's all going on on a mac. true level, isn't it? but you still got that mom in the street opening his bills in the morning and being shocked at the prices. the commissioner say that millions of europeans can't afford to heat their homes, millions of people. what's the way i tear i care? well, the way out is pretty easy and start to, to get the supply to europe increased by filling up all pipelines. they are

especially offspring too. and so on. get the market in so far, calmed that you make long lasting contracts now and, and give the, the ordinary men on the street the possibility to lower his budget. for example, most of the energy suppliers in germany belong to the government and they have, they have totally free in lowering the prices and they don't have these high costs of current market price. they have no money, long lasting contract. so. busy there is no need in pasting on these high prices to the ordinary consumer. yet there is opposition. rush has been blamed by some for the current energy crisis itself, even though you've got german and russian officials, including anglo merkel, by the way, who insist that moscow is sticking to its promises. just the main point of why do you think the cremeans being blamed for this?

well, it's the easy it, the grammar is always blame for everything. i mean, this is already becoming ridiculous. well, 1st, the just strategic interest of the us and the nato are to keep germany and russia apart. so you need something to blame russia because you cannot say, well, these people are honest. these people speak to their contracts, but why do you don't you want to, to do business with them in a so called and supposedly free market economy or world free market world economy. so this doesn't make sense. so they, they always need, they take every chance to blame russia on anything, to, to keep germany and russia apart from each other. it's something we should perhaps touch on is the green transition in europe. there's been this seemingly relentless pushed towards that net 0 emissions, etc. might what we're seeing here on how, how many people are being affected by bills and basically not being able to hit their homes, might not slow down the transition. well, it should,

you are absolutely right, but i doubt that politics has any mercy with the ordinary person. on the ground, we see we can see it for quite a while. that politics is adult ideology driven and they don't care on the, on the men on the street. so that's why i think that these people won't have any mercy with us, but you are right. first, this electricity prices climbing up and up and up the gas prices. now climbing up and up the enter, turn around to the green economy. it's just, it's just hope it's not true. it's driven by emotions instead of information or facts. so this is a totally mess. but especially now the, the greens who come into the government, especially, they won't admit any of these mistakes. in the upper side. these people have no

mercy, but for an ideology, ideology, purpose, they would even drive the people. people in public, always good to have you on the program, your time on your thoughts. very much appreciated economist, dr. i camera, you're welcome. thank you. after being tortured and held captive for 17 years, a pakistani national has finally been cleared for release from america. guantanamo bay prison might sign like good news for him, but being clear doesn't actually mean he walks free and it's all happening despite washington and men. and he should never have been detained in the 1st place or senior correspond morocco. see if can fill in the blanks. and the mohammed rabbani is one of want animal base, longest serving inmates 17 years and one month he has been locked up in git mo, by all accounts, innocent,

never charged with any terror related offenses. never brought to trial. once a taxi driver, his crime was that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. on september, the 10th 2000 t, pakistani authorities arrested 2 individuals believe to be harass angle and his driver outside the apartment complex by september, the 11th 2002, it was determined that an individual named mohammed, ark mad, glamour, bonnie: all sinners, abu bader, and his driver were arrested and not ass and go. the awful irony here is that the real her son gold bin laden's messengers, he's known who rabbani was mistaken for was captured and handed over to the c i a in 2004. he was later released in 2007 went back to his old ways and was killed in a drone strike. and still mohammed or by the, is serving someone else's time in guantanamo the years. and the president came and

went. they admitted that the arrest was a case of mistaken identity, and yet he is still there. guantanamo is all about lies, hypocrisy and broken promises. they promised me that they might let me out for a review of my detention, but that came to nothing. you can almost track his tragedy in released cia and pentagon documents. he was initially tortured at the sold pit. and atoria cia jail in afghanistan were terrible things were done to inmates to extract confessions. rabbani was allegedly identified as the man mentioned, and several cia torture memos who was hung by his wrists in arm chains and who attempted to amputate his own hands for stop prepaid. being cleared for release may be a personal victory for him. but in practice, in bond on him obey that doesn't mean anything. one of my clients, homes,

hotel california, it me, you can check out, but you can never leave for men are soother, though they were cleared over 10 years ago. but at least we're now going to be arguing about when he should go home, rather than whether what little joy and hope there is to be had. this is knowing that he has a son waiting for him. a son who was born after his arrest and about whom he only found out when the boy was 6 years old. just imagine life would be like for your family without your father. just imagine what it would be like if your father was at guantanamo, how can they ruin 20 years of someone's life? there is no way of knowing when the e for a body will be released and what he will make of a world of a life that he was deprived of by mistake. the scars from toward to the, the trauma, from long years of isolation, the stigma of being

a guantanamo inmates will always stay with her body. as will memories of the war and terrors, churning merciless military bureaucratic machine that he would upon realizing its mistake, took years to correct it. hundreds of leading experts and politicians from around the world have descended on the russian black sea resort of switching to wrestle with the most pressing global issues of the day, chief among them, the shack up to world, the 1st calls by the pandemic. now the val di discussion club was find it in 2004. it's growing into an internationally respected platform to sharon debate ideas. the primary focus being economic and geopolitical. and usually, russia's president vladimir putin makes an appearance we await to see if that happens. this year, but i am delighted to welcome on to the program inter duke of ich professor, all political science and director of the center for governance and public policy

at canada's carlton university. very welcome. can we kick off with the, the energy situation right now in the world very much a pressing issue. do you expect the current crisis to give a fill up a boost to nordstrom to can closer cooperation with russia help overcome the crisis? do you think? i hope so, that is the only solution at the moment with the growing prices and the shortages of natural gas. it will be the best. and probably the simplest way to, to meet is demand by fast truck simplification of the notes to him to a unfortunately in some countries are, are opposing this fast rock. i hope that it, that is and argument made by russian president, during the confidence on, on energy explaining crash and position was, it was very unsatisfactory to many ears and such a process will,

it would be conclude that very soon. what do you see as the main reasons behind the crisis in your opinion? you know many, many things. one is there. one is the change of the climate. we had the very, very put it put where did last year, and we expect the same, the same dis, yet. but this is about the nature behind the skies. this is politics, the politics of miscalculations and the politics of making bad decisions. the pony to politics of miscalculation is probably a rooted in the belief that you can fix that you can fix the problem off and just sort shortages by by agreement of g. obviously, this is the future obviously does that i trent. but you cannot do it overnight. and a here comes another program, a miscalculation of the decision makers,

that photo dead, the life would be as usual, and that tomorrow would be the same as yesterday, which is not the case. the case, ease that dead spot market are acted very nervously on the you formation of the shortages in gust storage places. and that's why europe ian union east, partly to european union the future as our partners to blame for miscalculation that as he su well known to panic, who, which is a grow, which is growing on the, on the emotions rather than facts and a, and blaming cash flow to every pink new which is which is see quite the usual athene comparison in the recent bumps he spoke about, the environmental policies currently being pursued in europe. will what we're seeing right now, the crisis, will it in a way, slow down the green transition?

somewhat? do you think or will it go that this push relentless push, almost keep going. nonetheless, a, you know, it's at the time being is very hard to predict because hold depends on the prices of, of god during the next month or mumps. if the prices will be as high as they are right now, it would be additional push for debt green lobby to, to push hot for that a placement of gas by the green energy. it is, it's almost inevitable. even the prices were slowed down. then probably a rational balance and off between the natural gas and other sources will be, would be maintained. so everything depends on the prices. and i believe that a rational suppliers and know that perfectly by saying that the price is too high.

and if the price will go on that way, means that sooner or later that will be under energy sources that would appraise the natural gas. and in the, in the for foreseeable future. big get big picture question. now, with relations between russia and the west, really at a low what can face to face contact between politicians and expertise. just like at the forum now in thought you, what can it do to improve the situation? well, it's, it's, the question is downside is not simple. at the moment i. e, i seeing that we are in between that confrontation and conflict and the border between cultural data, confrontation, and conflict, it seemed to be pretty thin. ah, some of my colleagues have saying that there's a cold war 2. i do not agree with that statement because it is something more

complex, different in different environment, political ideology called economy. so this is something else. and this something else is, is going to continue for some time. and, and if i were meeting caea advice, they are, they are playing the role of exchange of ideas and opened them. it did to did vet, it did a lot of damage in the area of international relations because you are not able to verify that information is plenty of information to properties which you formation you are trusting. and in this case, face to face meetings with the expertise from down to the web is probably the best . and so the way to verify what you, what your trust in and will you don't. yes, that's way by the club. he's very unique platform. in this case,

i was just going to say as well, another huge issue, of course the co it pandemic. how that's impacted on international politics and has not marked the start of a transition to a new reality from what you're hearing, discussions that you're involved in i don't think so. i, you know, dad said his yes and no similar, honestly. yes. in a sense that will continue the same type of international relations as we did because the biggest problem are the same in front of us as the head of security foot security. what the security, deb and the security is that are the biggest problems facing gus and, and they did not change during the pandemic. we did not solve any of those big problems. the global challenges we will require a global response, and the russia would play a be croyden days, but at the same time, se, changing it. what's change is that all of the media which change is

a role of i t sector, which proved to be much more, much more powerful than, than we felt. and that, that area of change is that how would the politicians are playing with fear? fear that the sort of placing politics and pandemic was it was functional, tu, tu, tu? mortar use of theater as a, as a legit immunization for the political actions. ok. a but or so strangely, you know, during, during the pandemic, we had that with the situation that we thought it was again, about now with national interests focus on the national state. and in this debate, obviously the national coach of cbd zation, that aspect of international politics became more important than ever sort of, at all of civilization in international politics, increased dramatically during the last months. yeah, we could that we could talk for quite

a while. thanks very much pinging from question the question there, peter, going through all that with as at peter to commit to expert in political science live from searching him. even on a former, a i researcher at google has accused the tech giant of and surveillance specifically targeting ethnic minorities to mitigate broo left google last year. she say she was fired for writing an article, exposing racism in the tech, joins old rhythms. google lo insist, the researcher resigned to bruce spoke to ortiz, going underground show will be, are in the full a few throughout the day though, here is part of what is on the ethical ai. there's lots of a sudden i think, call right a lot of a p eyes that sell automatic automated facial nest is tools we showed that they were much there. they had much higher error rates for darker skinned women

than lighter skinned men. this is with ignition. yeah, yeah, and that's spurred a lot of movement because a lot of people have been worried about surveillance related technology anyway. so that spurred a lot of movement to ban some of these at the use of some of these technologies by law enforcement. because they're mostly used to surveil a lot of marginalized communities. and so for me that's unethical. a palestinian, he wrote good morning on facebook, and it was translated to attack them. and people didn't even see the initial, didn't check to see what he initially wrote. they wrote, they saw the translation and they arrested him. so this was a google translate era. this was, this was a facebook and the underlying technology of large language. did they all use large language model? so what we were saying was sometimes when you have machine translation,

you get these cues when you have when, when you have errors, right? you can see that the grammar is not quite right. you can see that something is wrong. but with these large language models, you can have something that sounds so fluent and coherent, and it's completely wrong. so you only with these companies. but why would these companies visiting? there's no malice there. there's a mistake in the algorithm and in the, in the software engineering, why would they seek to minimize the publicity given to papers that showed these areas so that they could, you know, i went in, i would disagree that there is no malice, these large language models cuz fume a lot of compute only the people with these kinds of huge compute powers are going to be able to use these large language models. and that leads we what to what we talked about as being environmental reasons. that people who benefit from large language models are not the people who are paying the cost

me. okay, just before we go to break a reminder of our breaking news story, this, our, the work of the russian mission to nato will be suspended from november. the 1st rush is foreign minister, circle of rock saves. russia has taken this step in response to nato's expulsion of russian diplomats. we know that nato recently revoked the accreditation of 8 members of the russian mission. moscow say that nato should now use the russian ambassador to belgium for any contacts, any, an old significant development. i would imagine there will be a few in the coming hours on that. we'll bring them to. but that is where we leave this new our but do not go anywhere as more great program started right now. i season. mm hm.

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