sport business, i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm. ah, russia will suspend their work. elevator permanent mission to nato in brussels from november 1st. not measure is a response to nato's decision. earlier this month to expel 18th russian diplomats will be getting live reaction on this story in the coming minutes. also ahead this hour ready for action. russia fills one section of the north stream to pop on with natural gas and awaits the final green light from regulators to start supplying that says, the new commissioner warned to energy poverty on the continent, is set to rise, tortured on jail for 17 years without trial we explore the case of a pakistani national, who still in guantanamo despite being cleared for release after it emerged in the

state conferred on a former researcher at google accuses that tech giant using racist algorithms to get bruce spoke to ortiz going underground. there's lots of me, i think, all right, a lot of add a p i s l. automate. now automated feature that's in awe from moscow to the world. this is our t pleasure to have your company for the news. our my name's in russia is pulling the plug on it's permanent mission to nato. it's a response to the alliance kicking out a number of russian diplomats for alleged spying. let's go more in the story now from ortiz remind costs red, and we don't exactly know,

don't we room on why there were kicked out in the 1st place, but this latest development just unpack for us what's just happened and why? absolutely. well, the russian foreign minister made this announcement early on monday, saying that says, starting on november 1st. moscow will completely suspend the alterations of its mission to nato and from now on any emergency communications between the u. s. lead block and russia will be done through the russian embassy in belgium. now of while an ambassador off a native member state in moscow chosen by the alliance, how well they can perform similar functions here. now this comes just a 2 weeks after nathan expelled 8th russian diplomats for a legit undisclosed espionage at its brussels headquarters. and according to the russian foreign ministry, that became yet another move on nato's behalf to use the so called russian threat

as a unifying factor for the alliance. and another reason for it to remain in international demand this here, russian foreign minister, nickel will use new, but it u. 0. explanation was given for the expulsions. and a few days before the announcement we met with mister stilton burke in new york. he stressed that nato had a sincere interest in normalizing relations with russia, so as to deescalate tensions on the european continent. but we weren't particularly surprised by the decision. so it all confirms that ne, to his uninterested in equal dialogue or join work. well, a russian minister for a minister sergey oliver, although he added that said the nato information bureau in moscow will also be shut down and her while the nato international secretary, it has already been notified. and that's at the moment russian foreign ministry is not expecting any shift in relationship with nato in the near future. thanks for

taking us through that latest news. ortiz rahman, crossroads in moscow. well, let's cross live now. 2 independent journalists look repay for his take on this to perhaps fill in some of the blanks as well. and what is an emerging story? look good to see you again. in terms of significance, what your ticket is at the end of the relationship. can we go as far as non? no, it is not a new cold war. it is not the end of the relations that are all to channels can pass, for example. so they can still continue talking and they will. but of course, russia needed to show this pleasure at the fact that diplomats are called intelligence officers. and 8 of them are pushed out. ok. this is, you know, the normal, difficult relations between the alliance and russia. but something more important is that nato has been very unpleasant in its declarations for several years now.

and i would say that if the situation is degrading is mainly to nato, why? because nato is looking for something to do since the war. so factors disappeared in the ninety's and the soviet union has disappeared. there is no actual reason for nato and the north atlantic defense to be there so that even they want to have gas talent, iraq to train forces that still at the limit of territory that they cover. but now they were speaking recently of indo pacific activities funding for many member states. this is going much too far and obviously mr. stokum bergen and office with a natal. i'm trying to, you know, to, to blow on the fire to keep the, the spirit on active. you know, the, the danger threat that russia could represent a, say the baltic states are also making gesticulations because they get help from europe

if they do so. and of course, there is always a tendency for nato to, to speak about ukraine joining nato, which is the red line that russia would not accept. so you see, nato has been quite difficult. and as mister, mister mcqueen said, it is a brain dead organization. we should perhaps remind ourselves of the rather vague background to this. as you luda to russia says it wasn't given any official explanations for the expulsion of those 8 diplomats though they were accused of spying. mean, it's a diplomatic intelligence office. maybe there are people linked to the military. so, but it's the same for the americans or for the european military on diplomats that are in moscow or other places. so that, you know, it was just the will very probably on, on natal, signed to, to show for us to show that they are, you know, that the tough guys in this is no good. thank god. what's important in that is that

the relation between is that putting in biden has improved much at the geneva meeting. and that, that is what needs to be fall, to effect that negotiations to start again on, on a nuclear armament on major issues between united states, between super powers, between america and on russia and dom. that is to be followed. and there, there seems to be a dialogue open, which is good house, it's going to go down where you are actually right now. look, do you think the response. busy to nato's action by russia is going to come as a surprise to nato. no, i think, i mean, every specialist, no, every expert knows here that this is part of the diplomatic ballet. you know, i wonder our problems issues of course, that, that the core issues are really the crew may i issue. i mean,

that was ga us since 2014 the relations f f on been not frozen, but have diminished loc between russia and nato, which is sort of normal. so it will last for a long time decade. i mean, russia has no intention of leaving cri max may suppression. i mean, most people also know it here, this side. so. so again, it's a diplomatic ballet and i think that will continue talking. does it escalate though? what, what do you think the response from nato will be? is it more talking or will it be action? i don't think there will be more action. that's simple. they, they expelled a diplomat. no rush or response. that's it. and so they will continue. maybe that will be more decorations, but i don't expect name to a to me to mean big decorations about that. perhaps just a line up by the logistics of what happens now. nato a should use the russian ambassador to belgium for any context that's been said by

moscow. will this system be as effective as having a mission teenager willoughby or issues or another? oh, probably not. it won't be as effective to begin with, but of course the russian embassy in brussels is very big. there is an ambassador to belgium, animal basset, to european union. so it's so staffed on all heavily staff. it's a big embassy and i'm sure there are many on military attache and diplomats, and there will be more coming probably to the russian embassy in brussels to, to play this role and to re establish contact on, but not officially through the mission to nato. well, thanks for coming on the program and sharing your thoughts with us. look as always, lucre of a independent journalist live in brussels. thank you. get moving all no rushes taken a major step forward and readying the nord stream to pipeline to pump the natural gas to millions of european homes. the 1st of 2 sections have now been filled to

the required pressure. the operator at work is under way to fill the rest of the network, which links russia to germany via the baltic sea, the pipeline. now i only need final approval from europe in regulators. and it comes as europe as grip by an energy crisis. as you'll be well aware of gas prices recently passing all time high school in from peak the peak done and then pick again much of. busy the media has been pointing the finger of blame at russia for that despite moscow honoring its gaff contracts. so said anglo merkel with current chancellor of germany and promising to boost supplies. vladimir putin said dot r t . charlotte to ben sky can tell us more well, more concern here in the you over a possible winter crisis because of this increasing cost in energy, particularly gas, so much so that the ease own labor commissioner is warning that this winter,

many more people could be pushed into fuel poverty, there are already millions of people suffering from energy poverty, and that number could increase the commission could help e u. countries to limit the effects of the current high energy prices on people. but it was primarily up to national governments to take action. already we understand that around 2700000 households across the block are facing difficulties in reasonably heating that home. and those are individuals who are in jobs at the moment. so that figure doesn't include pensioners. it doesn't include students and it doesn't include the unemployed to the actual figure is far higher than that. and while some e member states have already taken measures to try and shield the most vulnerable form, these price increases. other politicians are rather looking to point the blame elsewhere, and the finger is wagging towards russia with many saying that russia is responsible for this crisis that been countless, i magazine articles,

debates on tv and radio, and even front covers all suggesting there's just like this recent front cover in germany on the focus magazine are, which says that putin, his cast off energy to germany, that a, he's waging a war and he's raising the prices using gas as a weapon. well, that has baffled some in germany, including the countries outgoing chancellor anglo merkel. who is not somebody known to min, so words says this good kiner to my knowledge. there are noses where russia has said we will deliver it to you, especially not with regard to the pipeline in ukraine. russia can only deliver gas on the basis of contractual obligations. and not just only like, at the moment russia supplies around 50 percent of the use gas in doing the pandemic that did taper off a little bit. but when it said that the supplies are back to normal at the moment,

and there were some, unless you say, you know, this is nothing to do with russia. this is all a problem that is, be made by the e. u itself until a few years ago. the european energy market was very stable, characterized by 10 to 15 year gas contracts with russia. but then brussels wanted to introduce more flexibility with fuel long term contracts to reduce its dependence of russian. gus, that by increasing price volatility and feeding the current crisis, or that decision has seen companies having to via the gas on the open market, meaning that they've been in competition with other markets such as the asian market. and it's just not that that some see is the problem. others have pointed the idea towards the fact that the e u is pushing too fast, too hard to move to green energy sources at the same time. it's not done enough to get those sources working while it's been aggressively shutting down gas fields domestically. and it's been taxing heavily carbon fuel power station, all of which,

which is contributed to this issue. so possibly not as sexy is pointing the blame russia and saying that president putin is waging a war on europe. but it does seem as if that is the reality of many of the problems that europe is facing ahead of this possible winter of discontent. less return or to the belgian capital and speak to paul over a phone it political analysts and founder of the brussels based thinktank, the sippy fund day sion. you're very welcome to the program. the you, labor commissioner, is warning of a rise and so named energy poverty is, is that going to help her real as a threat? years here? what is that? there's been a great volatility on the energy prices in europe as you know, over the past mom. so that has been an incredible increase in the pricing for gas,

about 400 percent and for electricity, about 200 percent. so the he says is something that a scared a lot of a customers in the utilities, but also some industries. and he says, provokes a fear that the winter would be cold instead, or warmed up by energy. so that is why that has been this reaction which has been maybe overstated a little bit because altogether the reserve so far, the average reserves in europe for, for gas are about 75 percent. so is not so dramatically low. and very intriguing line, i think, went under the radar from nicholas schmidt, was that he said it was up primarily to national governments to do something about the unraveling situation. i, i would suggest that's quite interesting. coming from a key figure of that block. yes, definitely. it is, it is like this,

i'm in the confidence of the european union on a contract. so in ports of energy, very limited. and it all belongs to national for it is they can find agreements among themselves or find is for agreement also for the pricing at the end in order not to balance the internal market. but more than that is not in the hands of the brussels commission. that's why even the commission policy on this issue sends back the bowl to the national government, saying the mix of energy is your responsibility. and you have to decide how to import from where. meanwhile, the crisis that there's emerge to with the price is sorry to be addressed because otherwise there will be social consequences and, and also economic consequences if it's not sufficient for industry. and this can be

done through tax cuts or some kind of subsidies that can be decided that only a national level i'm in the you is not so taking any step at the moment. well in terms of solutions, then prices are still high. people are seeing that on the continent on a daily basis when they're opening their bills in the morning. the commissioner saves millions of europeans, can't afford to heat their homes. like when you break down that statement, millions of people can't afford to heat their homes. it's quite incredible in europe. what's the way out of the way out is to to find a sort of equation which is what the, the european commission also hopes that the member states will be more lazy for, on approaching the energy supplies and pricing. but the fact is that the european member states, they all in, in this framing a different directions because of the job politics behind their own choices,

address the green transition enter environmental policies are, are a factor in not to definitely yes, it is, because we know that the ts pricing has been soaring and therefore the says had an impact on all the energy sector. plus that he's all the sex elevation on the green deal implementation decisions adopted like in germany, for instance, to, to cancer, completely the coal as a source of production for energy by 2030 high. and you know, at the same time, the alternative energies which alternative include those are the nuclear, are not so in their best moment because the nuclear power plants are aging. some countries have shut them down. others in discussing to do so. so the

only one still defending it fiercely france and. ready understand why, but at the end of the story, the nuclear transition is, is to be done. and it's not there probably towards a new type of nuclear production for, for the green energy, wind or solar. i mean, despite all the investments that there's been made, this may eventually cover 20 percent of the needs, but no more than that. and we the declining winds this year, it is very hard even to reach that level. so i think that there has been a lot of improvisation in approaching federal sector, which is the one of energy because energy supplies and a production is finally very, very sensitive and a and that's how it stands at the moment,

at polo top analysis, as always, thank you for your time today, paul, are a phone, a political analyst finder of these to be signed. taishan live in brussels. ok, some more news to bring you in the program. former us secretary of state colin powell has died at the age of 84. he was one of the most prominent figures in us politics, serving under multiple presidents in his long career. mister ball was appointed state secretary in 2001 served under president george w bush or prominent rule include him serving bill clinton, george h. w bush, of the principal military advisor at one significant moment in paris. legacy came during his 2003 address to the u. n. where he made the case for the us invasion of iraq holding up a vile of white powder to insinuate the country hard weapons of mass destruction. however, he was widely accused of lying to the assembly of inciting,

fabricated intel, according to pallets, how many he died of covert like dean complications after being tortured and held captive for 17 years pakistani national has finally been cleared for released from american guantanamo bay prison. about my son, the good news for him, but being clear doesn't actually mean he walks free. it's all happening. the spies, washington admitting he should never have been detained in the 1st place. our senior correspondent, gusty of can tell us why. mohammed rabbani is one of want animal bays, longest serving inmates 17 years and one month he has been locked up in get mo, by all accounts, innocent, never charged with any terror related offences never brought to trial. once a taxi driver, his crime was that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. on september,

the 10th 2000 t, pakistani authorities arrested 2 individuals believe to be has ankle and his driver outside the apartment complex. by september, the 11th 2002, it was determined that an individual named mohammed acc, mad, glamour of bonnie or sinners, abu bader and his driver, were arrested and not ass and go. the awful irony here is that the real her son, gall bin laden's messengers, he's known, who rabbani was mistaken for was captured and handed over to the cia in 2004. he was later released in 2007 went back to his old ways and was killed in a drone strike. and still mohammed rabbi the is serving some one else's time in guantanamo the years. and the presidents came and went. they admitted that the arrest was a case of mistaken identity,

and yet he is still there. guantanamo is all about lies, hypocrisy and broken promises. they promised me that they might let me out for a review of my detention, but that came to nothing. you can almost track his tragedy in released cia and pentagon documents. he was initially tortured at the sole pit and atoria cia jail in afghanistan, where terrible things were done to inmates to extract confessions rabbani was allegedly identified as the man mentioned and several cia torture memos who was hung by his wrists in arm chains and who attempted to amputate his own hands for stop, the pain being cleared for release may be a personal victory for him. but in practice, in bond on them obey. that doesn't mean anything. one of my clients, homes, hotel california at me, you can check out, but you can never leave for men are still there though they were cleared over 10

years ago. but at least we're now going to be arguing about when he should go home, rather than whether what little joy and hope there is to be had. this is knowing that he has a son waiting for him. a son who was born after his arrest and about whom he only found out when the boy was 6 years old. just imaginable life would be like for your family without your father. just imagine what it would be like if your father was at guantanamo, how could they ruin 20 years of someone's life? there is no way of knowing when in the e for a body will be released and what he will make of a world of a life that he was deprived of by mistake. the scars from torture, the, the trauma from long years of isolation, the stigma of being a guantanamo inmate will always stay with her body as will memories of the war and terrors, churning merciless military bureaucratic machine that even upon realizing its

mistake took years to correct it another story that brings before we go to break a former a i researcher at google has accused the tank giant of rump and surveillance, specifically targeting ethnic minorities timid, good brew left google. last year she say she was fired for writing an article, exposing racism in the tech giant algorithms. google though insists the researcher resigned. yeah, bruce spoke to ortiz going underground program. we will be hearing that full interview throughout the day. for now though, here's a snippet. what is on this vehicle? it? there's lots of a sudden it call right? a lot of of a p eyes that sell automate. automated facial nest is tools and we showed that they were much there. they had much higher error rates for darker skinned women than lighter skinned men. this is with admission. yeah. yeah, and that's spurred

a lot of movement because a lot of people have been worried about surveillance related technology anyway. so that spurred a lot of movement to ban some of these at the use of some of these technologies by law enforcement, because they're mostly used to surveil a lot of marginalized communities. and so for me, that's unethical, a palestinian, he wrote good morning on facebook, and it was translated to attack them. and people didn't even see the initial, didn't check to see what he initially wrote. they wrote, they saw the translation and they arrested him. so this was a google translate era, this was, this was a facebook translate here, that the underlying technology of large language. they all use large language model . so what we were saying was sometimes when you have machine translation, you get these cues when you have when, when you have errors, right?

you can see that the grammar is not quite right. you can see that something is wrong. but with these large language models, you can have something that sounds so fluent and coherent, and it's completely wrong. so if you are a with these companies, but why would these companies visiting? there's no malice there. there's a mistake in the algorithm and in the, in the software engineering, why would they seek to minimize the publicity given to papers that showed these areas so that they could, i went in. i would disagree that there is no malice, these large language models because fume a lot of compute only the people with these kinds of huge compute powers are going to be able to use these large language models. and that leads to what we talked about as being environmental, racism, that people who benefit from large language models are not the people who are paying the cost me

a phone interview on going underground at various times, right. the day today, monday, we're all set across to some more great programs as well and moment know after look at what else will be in your screens this week. on the 247 or tradition. mm hm. banks, kaiser's financials. a central bank support. dinah. com. mm. call them right now if they stopped. ah,

ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . there are growing indications that washington isn't finished with afghanistan just yet. military involvement has come to an end, but not engagement. also, we were told there is an energy crisis. maybe this is part of the great reset. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos in london, he's a historian, analyst, and author of the book arise, receive the return of russia to world politics and implements. we have patrick huntington. he is the editor and founder of the 21st century wire dot com. originally crossed up rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want

and i was out with marcus. so ever since the arctic withdrawal from a couple in the, in the western world, particularly in the washington foreign policy, there's been a lot of discussion what, what is next year. and actually what is actually happened is happening because on the one hand you have many saying, and this is the subtext is a reason to go back in is that the taliban are in meet with isis, and al qaeda and all of this. and then there's another nearer about there that, that visually, it was very chaotic, but policy wise, there may be some kind of underlying attempt to engage that. how abandoned some kind of barrier and even possible ally in, in the region when it comes to american foreign policy. it's really there's a lot of emotion attached to this. okay, honey, you're.