i'm so business. i'll see you then. mm. hey folks, next up we've got need go talk to their la, good italian boy. and he's on the walking dead show. and branch not all over also as a strictly binary, and they're doing a stage show about me called strictly minor is a non binary cat who i can talk to him, pick his brain about this because i'm an old dog. i gotta learn the new tricks, and i have a feeling that he's cool enough to lead me through it without all the sturm und drang, but i'm, i'm not up to speed completely nico tortorelli's right after this on dennis miller plus one. it's a folks welcome. dennis miller plus one today. happy to welcome actor nico

tortora la. now there's a name, beautiful name to the show. nico is known on both the big and small screen, including scream for the fox crime drama, the following, and the series, younger nico, currently starring in the walking dead world beyond season to airing now on a. m. c. make it towards what's shaking. what's going on? how are you? good the see you has your life. life is a life is good. you have a break right now, which feels like the 1st time i've had a break and i don't know, 8 years minus that whole thing that happened last year. or you pride? ah, yes and no, yes. and no, i think i work best under pressure and super busy and we just bought a new house. so i'm keeping myself busy trying to get an order. we got hit pretty hard with the floods out here on the east coast

a couple weeks ago. so i'm dealing with contractors and insurance and mitigation that whole mess up, but i'm ready to get back to work. i said a movie and a couple weeks just thrilled about. and now when you say, when you say we bought a new house, you and allow for your to live alone, i am in love. i am in love. i am married to my partner. we've been together, we've known each other 15 years. we've been married for 3, you saying that we had a confluence of events in your life as i look over your shoulder, you're right in the corner there. those 2 beautiful windows, the, the view is opulent, but you are right. in the middle, right? there you go. no, tell me but this walking dead thing. i honest to god think that you could make up an entire network like they have e s p and they have sy fi, i swear you could do a zombie network. people in advance. what amc is

in all things but name, but i'm telling you somewhere out there, there's a z s p n or something because people are fascinated by the walking dead. and i'm wondering what, what do i don't know the go? what do you feel about that? why people are so fascinated by the genre. yeah, i mean, i think it proves to all of us that things could be worse than they are. i think way, we got that. arguably as, as, as close as we've ever been to is on the apocalypse last year and it was interesting. we shot the 1st season of the show. we wrapped december of 2019 than 200-2000 head. i was like, are you living in this post paul post apocalyptic world? killing zombies. and you know, just just in this place where i had to appreciate life to its fullest extent and

then 2020 and we went back and shot the 2nd season, kind of right in the middle of it. and the sick and the whole are imitating life life imitating art thing. it was very real and i'm grateful for the experience to be trained so to speak, to survive. but yeah, i, i, i think we're attracted to, to things that are worse than what our, that's a good i think that's a very astute percept. sugar friend. it's like that black crushed velvet jewelers cloth. they put the diamond on when you're in the jewelry store. so you can isolate on the edges of it. i think people like the perspective of least i'm not a zombie having to wear a mask around at some point. for most of them are, let's be honest. it's for ela, he's saying and shooting a kid,

it's been a tour to rela, dinner table and tell me, are you a big family man? sometimes sometimes that is the algonquin and onyx. yeah we, we, there's, there's a whole group of us in chicago and appear on the east coast time family. we had a few houses on same block and yeah, i just always love those memories because you know, my family table sometimes got a little muted dot and then i go stay the italian kids out and you go over like it was like saturday night fever where they'd all have the nap because under smack and 8 the bus that you know, i think there's a whole different world out there. older world, funny story actually. when i 1st started dating bethany, my partner and they grew up in a baptist house, really traditional, right? conservative religion home and i brought them home to to me,

my family for the 1st time and we're not a shy, a shy folk. my grandma has a worse mouth and than anyone i've ever met. and when she heard the dinner table, everyone say you get the whole thing. i'm bethany almost at heart attack. and now i think bethany's got the worst mouth out of all of us. we train them well, mega. it's interesting to be that even as you went to refer to your partner as they you, the s h makes it out and i'm wondering how far does behavior mod dictate that it's going to take you to get the essay? chad, i think you're about to say no, it's it's, it's never perfect it's, it's a work in progress and language fails. us constantly and i think, you know, pronouns are an important conversation, but they're not v conversation that i think so many of us are having. and in a lot of ways, and a lot of conversations that it just gets stuck,

we get stuck in the language of things and i forget to, to even consider what we're actually discussing. well, i tell you what, nico, when you say that, and i met a sense, i agree completely, that it, because i look at the world around us, and i see that we have so many little slots for people. and there's so many people outside those slots. and historically, those people outside those slots might as well lived on another planet. i can't imagine to fear is the apprehensions, the, the, the, the ominous solitudes they had to endure. and that, listen, i'm 67 years old part of me, you know, i'm my mama chewed up spirit. what is it put up wet or whatever they call that old phrase, but that so i might not be the newest dog who can learn all the new tricks. but one thing i do look around and think, wow, a lot of people who felt they were the, the, the town freaks are now feeling more included in that can only be a good thing. i look back at bowie coming on top of the pops. i see all those kids

out there thinking of my weird or what and then go and oh wait, there's somebody in there, somebody is doing it so i know. yeah. and you know, when you start thinking about gender now and how far we've come and just identity in general, and then you start thinking about what the future is going to look like in so many ways we, we already are trans human right? this is like part of who we are now. and the next evolution of that is when this is inside of us and the internet is part of our blood, right? if we think gender is comcast and we call it a, we phone that 20 years wait till the 1st day or i phone asked to be called a we phone. that because i'm with what are you excited about career wise? now where do you want to go, where are you at now and will tell me, would you like to create your own walking dead thing or do you have

a show in mind or where do you want to go with it, nico? yeah, i mean, i have been on television for a long time, you know, 10 years now and i love the landscape. i think that what is available to us now on television is so vast and widespread. and i think that like we're moving to this place where super nice television is being made for small audiences because it's not advertiser driven anymore. so the content is just exploding in so many ways. i think going from the younger half hour comedy for 7 years to walking dead hour long like intense drama with you know, physicality and flight training, etc. i would love to, to find a space to kind of marries the to action comedy would be i think really, really fun. i just want to work with good people, man. like i haven't done a film in a long time and i'm starting this movie and

a couple of weeks that i'm thrilled about. it's about this, this gay married couple that has foster kid that gets put back with his birth mom. and the rest of the movie is these 2 guys trying to figure out how they want to have kids. if they want to have kids in a non traditional sense and what that looks like and even just like trying to find a movie to, to compare it to like i think the only gay father film that, that we've really ever had was the birdcage which is crazy to think about that we've never had really like queer parents in film and i, so i start that that movie and a few weeks ago and i'm ready to get back on tv. i'm kind of looking for that next project. you know, i haven't been available for tv in 8 years. so yeah, i'm excited. i'm excited. i'm when you talk about resting upright now. obviously,

even when they, even when you do power lifting, they tell you to take off for a while after that's part of the whole cycle. if you've got a letter build back up again, what do you feel in your heart right now? would be a good break for you to get the batteries. it sounds like you've got something next week. you're going to be charged for that next week when you get in there. yeah, i'm, i'm, i'm properly charged and ready to get back to work to think, you know, you understand as an actor to be able to step outside of yourself. ah, is therapy, right? it's so you're going to need to like jump into someone, allison, someone else's struggles and traumas and wins. and i, my partner and i, we've been trying to get pregnant actually for the last year now. and i think like being a parent is the next step for me and working on a movie that deals with parenting in such a way. i'm going back to the whole art imitating life thing. these projects have

always in my career, come to my life exactly the right point. and i actually think like this job is going to be able to charge that battery insufficient way. we're talking to nick a charter rela, he 2nd parenting. i'm telling you and they go, you know, when i 1st became a parent, i thought i got her and should not have been tested or something. sions, somebody come in and done a maturity test on me. but then all of a sudden, i know you can intellectual eyes about house brightening or beautiful might be, but when it happens, i telling you, you get a lion king on it, you feel you feel that whole circle life thing where they oh wow, i couldn't intellectualized oh my god. ready to go on here? oh, i never wanted the same kind of a

bad dog. oh good. you know we're talking about frame of reference before. when you have that baby, all the dog is still there, but i'm telling you, oh, i see i had projected a lot of little teacher wow are here. but there is no, there's still a very loving part of the household, hopefully for 15 years. but when you have the kid do they go ok, i'm going to wait a little too much longer live for like 25 years to. so she'll be here. right? we're actually off of my, you were saying about just like parenting and being prepared, right? like being born is the one thing that unites every single person on this planet really may even be the only one thing. and we are education system is flawed in so many ways. but the fact that we're not taught like how to be a parent or even how to, how to get pregnant, right? like the only things we're taught are how not to get pregnant. like you can sit on

a toilet the wrong way, and bam, you're pregnant. and this is not the case, right? and i think in this process of trying to create life in a time when life is so fragile, right? that's really, that's really been shown to me in an insane way. and i, i want to be talking about morrison more people should be talking about it. but i wish they just prepared us more, whoever they are. i'm thinking the old dia denotie saw in the wander, and i'm putting in the word the ponder for our friend, because it seems like he certainly has a little bit of rodin statue in the day. them where he ponders these things. we will time to live in this bio and get out of it. i want to sometimes the spiral is a tornado to, it can be turbulent. you seem like a pretty good place in your life right now. though nico toward rela,

we're going to talk to them after the break, see what else is coming up. got to flick, coming up, wants to get back on t. v o. bryan murphy's out there listening. this kid that i don't know what the, i don't know what the next big murphy project is with this cat's got jobs, and he currently stars. they currently star in the walking dead world beyond season to airing. now on am, see nick, go toward a rela, more with him right after this on dennis miller plus one. ah ah

ah ah, just a folks i grew up in pittsburgh, we used to call a group of people yon's. so i'm talking to yon's. he told me i could go, could go pronoun, so i'm going to use my pillsbury again. nice, smith, nice of you in the join us today. another submits burgess. this is nate,

god partner, ella, chicago, boy. and now i'm currently starting the walking dead world beyond season to airing now on a m c. no. and the 1st thing i noticed the when did you 1st start pondering things in a way that you seem inches specter or put it this way? a lot of people move seamlessly through their life and sometimes it's obliviousness . and sometimes it's not the batting much of themselves and some people stopped on a guy should think about that. when did you find out that you were stopped on and think about things. and i think from a really, really early age, i remember i was um, pretty intuitive kid. i would see things that people didn't see and hear things the other people didn't see here. and i remember having a conversation once with my family about something that i saw or something that i heard. and then saying like if you keep hearing these things,

you have to go to therapy, right? like there's something wrong with you. we have to figure this out and i think that was the 1st time. i mean that was like 56 years old. that was the 1st time i really realized that i was tapped into something different. and then just in terms of, in terms of sexuality and gender, the 1st time i even realize that, that being gay was a thing or even an option. i remember asking my mom like, why would, why would 2 men or 2 women ever be together? they can't have babies like is not the entire point of having relationship, an early understanding of romanticism like that's what i thought. and her response, you know, was a negative one of the time. just come a long way. but it was like, what are you talking about like 2 men holding hands or 2 women holding hands like this disgusting. and i really realized then i was like, i see the world a little bit differently than i think we're supposed to, you know, and i mean, it's been, it's been a process, i think,

understanding how we got here right? as a society and the ways in which i what is deemed normal, i have been set in place. i can really prepare you for, for who you are in the present day in the future. and you know, i think that we live in a flawed, flawed world, you know, in the trans conversation. a lot of people say, you know, like, i wasn't, i wasn't born in the wrong body. that was never, i was never something that i ever thought twice about. this is exactly the body that i was supposed to be born in, but i realized that i was born in the wrong world. and every single one of us was, and i'm think i'm just doing my part to not try to make it better, but to just try to understand a little bit more. because i think like at, at basic level, the ways in which we talk about relationships and, and gender and love and sexuality where it's so elementary, we are like,

we're so stupid. and i, i want to try to make it make a little more sense. i guess, well, i don't know, but shouldn't ago, but any time i've been in therapy in my life, for the most part, there were a couple of people. i think like anything, maybe some people were better at it than others. but most of the therapists i met tuned to me in to this acceptance of life. i remember going into therapy 1st probably in my mid to late teens and you know, you know how you're scared to yourself in certain ways. you don't even know what makes you tick. i know by you, you sound like you hit the ground running or pretty centered in a, in a way. but i like a lot of young people confused and all that you went in in the acceptance of that you know, the guy look at after you tell him a dream that scared the living. hell out. he goes. yeah, yeah. my $930.00 has that the, that sort of acceptance. it was the 1st time i felt like you said, your mom and your parents, the unqualified sort of. yeah. yeah. you got to understand there's

a whole bunch of different stuff happening out there. i find that so liberating early on, and i, you know, my life is as bad as binary as you can get. but i do remember early on thinking, oh man, they always say were snowflakes until it's time to get in a line, then they want to lines on absolutely everything. but they talk about how we're all never. yeah, i mean, i also just think the internet really changed the entire world, right. i mean, i'm the last generation that will ever know what life was like before the internet and the access that we have now it's, it's just, it's exponential and where it's going in the future. you know, different people have always been here since the beginning of time it's, it's never been the same people everywhere, but now we have knowledge of it. and i think the media is doing a good job, a better job of bringing stories to life. but we still have, have so much more work to do and you know, as artists, right, like,

especially as actors the, it's our job to play other people. and i just realized from young age if, if i was going to do justice to these characters that i try to play, i have to understand every facet of myself and you know, it's multi dimensional dynamic being that we all are every single person, whether you're binary, or not, like, we all contain multitudes. do you find it particularly hard to feel some degree of empathy or understanding with somebody who's a non understanding, non empathetic person. like those are the tests in life. i run across some people and i really have to fight myself and i think, well, this person is kind of begging for their flat out asshole. and then i go, yeah, but maybe they're not an asshole themselves or you know what? i mean, that's when you get tested, that's when you get tested. and i mean, i think the like,

the only way out of that is to understand that it's not their fault, you know, in the programming and, and the way that society has, has pushed all of their beliefs on to that person or what their parents taught them right, like, you only know until you do right. like once that veil is lifted, you can't put it back down. but so many people walk through life and never even think about lifting the bell ever because they don't have to write. and that's privilege, that's an entirely different conversation. but i think like having a conversation with someone that is ignorant at its core or not understanding, right. like there's always a common ground. i can always find something to relate to someone where at least i try to think that's like what a job. oh, i love how you trail off. i always find introspect of people trail off. you know?

no, but i love, i love people who are in play intellectually because they, they kind of know it's not a declarative world in many ways the world travels off and then you know, it's like a new hall going for. yeah. yeah, yeah. yeah. and she fades away and i always, i always think that rhythm, it appears that well, i mean, i also appreciate having a conversation with someone that is hyper intelligent and has done so much in their lives. like i feel like you get it right and you, you've accomplished so much and you understand the pace of this. so i feel like icons are and can i tell you i, i do understand and feel the pace harrowing. i'm telling you there are times that sit down just say, all right, where we add here, ma'am, because a lot more has happened. i'm 67 and a lot more has happened in the last 12, the 7 years than has happened in the 1st 50. it is, it is flying fast and furious. i don't even know the rules. now by and large, i'm

a man of manners. i like to give people the respect. i think the worst moments i've had my life. where is where i inadvertently took somebody's esteem away from them. so i'm like pat blobs, dog in that regard. i don't want to make that mistake again. there are a lot of mistakes you can make it life. i can kind of get beyond. i'm go, i'm a human being up, but when you kind of take somebody's esteem and they have to avert life's gaze for a 2nd cuz you've rod, dumber learn. there is, are nugget that's, that's the one unforgivable and i see that falling away. now i, i see more people being aware that they can lay somebody low in a 2nd if they don't use their head. and that's a trend line i do like in the world right now. that being said, it is happened fast and furious. what's, what are your thoughts on cancel culture, kind of going off of that idea. the fact that we can like just take someone out for one thing they've said or done maybe even 10 years ago. i find it so non curious. i do, i find it. so reflexive,

it reminds me of the doc weapon at the rubber hammer and hit your knee. i can't everybody. listen. if i started analyzing everybody up in this world, guess what? i'm literally analyzing everybody who is everybody who's ever lived on the planet has some, and the ones who don't that shaky. let's face facts, human beings are about errors. and somebody has a repetitive series of what i deem to be kind of malevolent errors. i can check out, i don't need to be with everybody. i'm not a, it's not wall mount. for me, somebody is dead to me after a while. they exhibit enough wrong mindedness. but if somebody slips up, well i can't just say that cats, hitler, i can't ever talk today. yeah, i just can't. i guess that's why i'm stuck in the middle of you as a say on the old saw, you know, like, i don't know. i'm trying to what i always loved niches. quote, he said, man is a rope stretched over the abyss on the one side overman. on the inside, every man. i definitely feel like i was jean claude van damme dot on the kitchen

counter here. because the world is really happened and quickly, i just try to take a breath of the understanding everything in moderation, including non moderate efforts. this is the way i would love. look at my mom, mullen he's went for, he's went from, he's mulling over there, right. i for meaning it for you to get a beard. scratch out a nico georgia, rather folks. i'm live in the right live over here. what are you got? their brother, some earth, earth juice or what he out a money. merced juice. yeah, it's kava da, miano blanche. if you are, you are my tour guide into the future. they go a good to reach you back. you're good. the you're a good day. and nico turner rela, on the walking dead show, i have a feeling is interesting, is that show is, it's probably the least interesting thing in the co tortorelli's day. because this

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