ah, i'm african retents and you're watching going underground this week. you k p m, boris johnson flu, his foreign secretary list trust to arms, customer saudi arabia, which has been bombing yemen. presently the worst humanitarian crisis in the world . this while a usa with $40000000.00 unable to eat tonight without welfare looks to increase war spending to $725000000000.00 a year. the extent of the malign road of the military industrial complex was revealed by one of the most famous journalists in the world wiki leaks is julian assange. he is in jail ahead of another hearing next week. joining me now from london is also a historian and the inspiration for the rolling stones street fighting man. tar golly, a member of the original anti war bertrand russell jean paul salter tribunal. he, along with edward snowden and others, a part of the resurrected tribunal now named bell mush after sanchez london prison direct. thanks so much for coming back on another terrible week for the global

south. there been all these, the violence in jerusalem, there been explosions in syria, in brazil, the accusations of genocide, but in nature, nation media, se the b, b. c, cnn. they're mourning the loss of colin powell, he of my li'l salvador, nicaragua, pat him. iraq was, what did you make of the eulogies to the 1st african american as secretary of state and as other powerful u. s. military industrial, complex positions? well, i mean, it's what usually happens or similar. they're not as a few service rumsfeld because he was just a white guy doing his job. you know, you know, i'm referring to the deceased war criminal, donald rumsfeld and the government. all, it's the same. it's become a slightly more emotional because of a skin color. but what he did was hoping to basically serve the empire to elias my mystery wage was and in a pound of course, he has

a pre history to iraq, which is very mom. and he was one of the younger officers who come right up the main line massacre, which later became a huge scoundrel in the u. s. history. so that's what he is a celebrated pharaoh and give them a good send off because they support all this stuff and have been for ages. now the media, the global media in the west is a central player in all the wars that have been taking place in the 21st century. the lies about iraq were told by the new york times what battle in the b, b. c. under pressure from blair, director general the bbc or didn't tow the line, we're basically forced out, etc, etc. so these walls have affected me, cemented the role of the state media in particular like the bbc of

cnn and our west germans, tony tony, blinkin biden's, a man in the state to bob and said he was a great man. i think what i'm getting out is because you were a pioneer, multi cultural issues. i worked for you on a friday program. after all, i'm a, we seeing the weapon ising of identity politics to cover up the kind of actions you're just talking about. people can see are interviewed sy hersh on the my lai massacre and our youtube channel because they kept on talking about identity politics. i somehow ignoring what you were just talking about. they go on and on about it on the take some time. so when hillary clinton and secretary of state justified the public lynching and brutal murder mom out of our feet, she said we came, we saw he died. not too many come, i'll tell the press,

some said quite witty. very triumphal is stuff. so this defense of blayton to goes on and identity politics. so one of the things that i used to justify they can use many others, the identity of the person drain is not that necessary. anyone could do it within the peer. so government paul has gone a lot of the identity politics side of it. interesting me, i don't know of any one recalled or mention it when he was under heavy pressure to stand as republican president is wife the turned it, she said you will come out of this about well, and presumably referring to assassinate an attempt is 10 years since the libya intervention actually since you mentioned it, you might have heard that the elder brother of the guy who has been that it was done for the atrocity in manchester, the area on a grand

a concert presumably both of them. libby and fighting group. members, i don't know, somehow escaped after rejecting said john saunders inquiry questions after that atrocity at manchester. why do you think no one is asking here about connections with policy on libya? i think it's obvious. i mean, in many cases in libya, people were encouraged, if not routed by britain, our west countries to go and fight and britain as links in any event. this guy was probably out of some team which was sent and they're now embarrass, comes up. it's happened in the syrian was, well, it's happened in the bosnian with people to recruit, to go and fight for their side, whatever it happens to be at the time. now, to me as slightly crazy. the stabilized by the experience and carry out acts of terror. they're not the only ones, but there's

a neighbor. but all those brave relatives, i mean, how do they get away with it? the authorities here, they obviously want to know why their children died. i think they don't care. i mean that's one reason why they get away with it. is this a we're doing our best? we've got all these prevent programs. so going to fight more in libya or syria is on a different level clearly, but it's not so different. you know, people become like, backed up with ordinary lives, are lost a lot of as many of the men for the speed with which history moves at the moment. tanks to the way in which society and of course the mainstream media function is never to record. so if it goes, it goes and people can carry on weeping for the rest of their lives. we live in some people saying that the afghanistan withdrawal allows the united states to

target africa. moran obsessively. you've written extensively about afghanistan, a new book out this month here, and later to be published internationally in a months time. what did you make of some people celebrating? this is a complete change in us policy that at last the u. s. as seen the light and realize they should get out of these wars or they're defeated in well, i think what the u. s. saw was that there was no way forward for this for actual a stalemate. the united states is known this since 2015 for the soviet union when they went in, realized very quickly and determined to move out 3 years in the world. the united states, as a much much longer spent trio, seeing the debt. so tens of thousands of,

of grand citizens lost on their own people, not that many. it has to be said and they have no alternative left. so politically and ideologically, it's been a huge setback as they know perfectly well. will it stop them containing these to print trans? no, it won't. they're an imperial, are this to behave in their own interests as a group, as i want to do. and setbacks can be. i shrugged off, especially in a large unipolar world. there is no big old, tentative state life, a soviet union in a different way used to be. so there's no global restraint and all the a european union and britain are totally locked in. so japan and australia in asia. and so the united states can more or less get

away with what it wants to do. i mean, there was some european opposition to the iraq war from germany and france. but once iraq was occupied, they came on board to recognize did support to be occupational, open trade relations, etc. so that's how the functions and you know, we, many of us oppose it, but we have to be aware of what that world is. so now i'm going frustrates on american power at all, but a short term loss of profit for some of the major weapons and security multinational companies. as julian assange made it, when we say the government spend trillions, actually these trillions are recycled through into big company profits and directions. profits in new york, london, and paris. this is all true, but these profits never see is because they sell arms and compete with each other

and sending armaments to all over the world including themselves. so you see this huge bust out where the french preston micro lost it and withdrew best from the united states because of a trade deed on nuclear submarines which he'd been promised and united states than pressure sprayed. yet there wasn't too much pressure on that and gave the deed to britain and mac already went. but he should know that's the order of the day. i mean, he's been boasting that he's in the atlanta says because green atlanta says, president francis ad. that's mean the whole tailed or french foreign policy, especially under the socialist, but not exclusively. and so when this happens, micra is angry. but you know, pink was the anger is about selling nukes and nuclear submarines. i do a country to proud round,

permanently underneath chinese waters. on the periphery. so this is, that is what happens in the case of, of gun is on. it's been loss of me. it's beyond them. we arms, merchants with news, but their crowns for the big loss for the west is that the control they exercised him directly over the one success story and a promise that is now over. and that is what the, when the fellow bundled previously and honest share of the global heroine opium crate was about 2425 percent under 20 intervention alarm. be praised, it is gone up to 9090 percent. so that is in the box. and that is a lot of money, and that is the money which the middle men, which included lots of apparatus serving and upon this don, no doubt,

senior officers and soldiers from all these armies and all the soldiers who became drug addicts. that is now gone and so the, i assume they taliban will be now in total control of this trade, which is very, very profitable. obviously i have to say the taliban deny being drug dealers. they say they clambered down on it and the london washington and camber all saying that the submarines can't carry nuclear weapons of obviously they can be upgraded to, to sell the target. i'll stop you that more from the legendary, also historian and activists. after this break it's been decades since the fall of spain's fascist regime, but old wound still haven't tailed. your interest in going into them is ready for this. because only coming out to you. michel, fee to market. people to miss oppo said, calling me in the parentheses, me notice that i understand they think ultimately no thousands of newborn babies

were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption. they don't really bad about are you just yet for fiesta? my old role is a fellow element it to this day mother still search for grown children, while adults look in hope for their birth parents. with . mm. welcome back. i'm still here with his story, northern activists, derek ali, i mean, since we're talking about selling arms, what he may give a bad lives truss who's previously that she's the foreign secretary of this country . she previously admitted to breaking cordial, disbanding, sales of weapons, azalea, ravia barth. johnston was dispatched to saudi arabia. yemen is not even on the news except on unicef advertisement. in between the news bulletins. you think this is a,

this is going to be a big, big element of trade policy to sell weapons to saudi arabia. more of the they've been sending weapons so the radio to can, can come if you, the expression. this is the kingdom created. first by the british empire, when taken over by the american empire, it's been controlled by them on many different levels. obviously, the, some of these have some autonomy, lifeline background. prince decides to go and bump off with the soviet embassy, got him into the 2 pieces and bring him back to saudi arabia that you can bet has not been authorized by any wisdom, interventions, agency. but they have to be about some more drama. i mean, they've been armed for a long time and the irony is me leaving aside the horrors that are being

inflicted on the yemen today. while the western world watches it citizens go sleep . for the horror of being inflicted on by yemen, just fill me with despair. for years decades, the saudis have been buying up huge amounts of weapons from britain, mainly from the united states. and doing what with and the eighty's and ninety's. and even the beginning of this century, they with large warehouses in the desert when these things were stored. and those who actually went to see them said they were rustic. they had no use for them. but they bought them in order to do their part of the been there to play and being loyal to the people to get them in such a long time. i western support was withdrawn from saudi arabia or subsidies with rome for that matter is true. change would come very quickly in

both these countries. you think any jude said, cut them. so the money before he was assassinated was trying to secret brush well, between iran in saudi which is presumably a nightmare scenario from a 2 e p. you know, i don't know whether that is the case or not. it will surprise me because he was pro active. he was an extremely intelligent person. and one of the more intelligent people in the regime as a whole. and he was the role play in afghanistan by him and his people was to crime and the breach with tyler bar. i mean, as you remember, the iranians had supported the war on iraq and all of them got nothing out. so there was some rethinking going on there. and the behind the scenes talks with the taliban,

which the united states have been conducting iran to as be conducting. and they have a bit more to offer. they have a minority which has to be defended. they can actually decide whether or not people understand stable, most likely it seems that they have decided to do so. so we are still t is basically the, the violence in on this plan today is basically related to a very tiny group of isis supporters and where they are. my problem is, you know, oh, debate which goes on. but in any event, the areas have been making and so no money played on it. and i remember a couple of years ago when i was visiting, focused on back line in the a cia guy shut down by valid bomb in

play or something like that. and when you read the story, it was that the iranians had identified a unit that carried out the killing. also mommy found that he was in a panel on a visit and knocked down his playing. the story disappeared the next day from the stony breast, while a people in this country looking to call 26, a blaming china for maybe not. she's being prevaricating over coming to glasgow. what, what role does china have in pakistan, given it bank rules pakistan in terms of what happened in afghanistan? read the taliban take over. what i mean, they are still a teacher. chinese is largely motivated by the chinese economic advances. they're a huge economic right. and can totally be done away with, which is why with in the america 80 to there is

a debate because they will be affected if they go to hard on china. china is not going to sit down and do nothing economic, in terms of sanctions, etc. but let's hope it doesn't reach that that has the austin lity, but add to that is the factor they try law has now, so it's own solver in a very clear way and doesn't follow western foreign policy. neither do the russians for different reasons, but both to man, the chinese having asserted the sovereignty of their own countries. after a period in which the west had assumed that russia and china would simply follow them blindly. that hasn't happened. in fact, that the exact opposite that has happened and they resent it when any other free exercise. it's somewhere in the switch, regardless of what they do. it's the opposition to total. so

a concrete which is a whole mark of the present political set up on local scale. so the chinese do what they feel like payment pakistan is very different because to be objective here . good relations with pakistan have existed since the sixty's. so it's a very old and firm relationship and within the pakistan, the military they refer to the chinese and always have as are all with the contrast with the united states being clear that the u. s. blows cold, but the chinese remain steadfast and they have, they are giving backs them. a lot of people don't make it in return for this. they've got the quote number, which is effectively a chinese strong. i ought as one of the terminals and trade terminals and the

development which has taken place, there's created some tension with locals because the way it's been handled, but they're definitely bad. in the case of a problem is, i think it is very noticeable and i talk about this in my book for 40 or in the 1st foreign visit by the senior guy live on the vacation was to china. they went the week after they were flew to china. were greeted by the chinese foreign minister and other senior officials and extensive talks y l b. and b in france gave a very clear statement that they are not intending afghanistan to be used by any for country or any foreign group to destabilize neighboring countries of clear reference station and the chinese, you know, friendly promise, trade relations, etc. and in my opinion, i think this is one reason

a chinese person that has now pushed the united states into reopening discussions with bob and see if they can help create terms, etc, etc. so the of grants, if they behave intelligently, could be in a strong position, thanks to a huge rice all for a child the last 2 decades. i mean, i want to get on to julian sounds, the bell much drive, you know, but just quickly on that, what is a nato nation viewer? supposed to think when he watches any coverage of china with respect to allegations of genocide, engine jang, the top human rights prize. given this week, the soccer off prize to alexi. now only people can watch an old, old fake video of him carrying out some kind of mock execution of a muslim woman. what is a viewer supposed to think about g and j? when they watch the pictures from chinese concentration get?

well, i mean, you know, it is certainly not general, sorry that i am convinced lots of people because it said this is a completely exaggerated campaign. and the word genocide is often used is not as a scientific description or has taking place, but leave all, you know, obviously the chinese are doing it to bet they're basically sending in lots of people from the majority population trying to fuse. that is the way that those will be a minority is probably main, try them out for a long, long time. contrary by the way, to what mouse said, who said they should be given to me, respected, et cetera. but they claim that there are terrorists in groups in which i cannot say that is true or not true,

simply because one doesn't have any information. but what is undoubtedly true. the west is appointed angry and sweden to monitor the situation. there is no hope so they're going to make this into. they already have into something that they will use against the chinese and the chinese will respond as they normally to be safe. got also so it's not going to unfortunately be blue. jin chang, this is not going to be very useful in the very dangerous to if the west for its own purposes and cries to create armstrong group, smuggle in arms. it's not going to work, which is one factor why the defeat of amazon is important because the chinese have been insisting very strongly behind the scenes. they should be no minute crude basis. you mentioned had sweden, amongst all of that, going to sweden very associated with julian assange in the minds of people to read

. i don't know the old media partner, we can leave the guardian. tell me about the bell. much tribunal. you were there, john. paul, sovereign and, and butcher russel, what is the bell must tribunal a public relations attempt to try and draw more attention to what's been happening to us on june? why and what it is going to do is link all the crimes we have with over the last 20 years in different parts of the world. you know, 6 countries and they did trillion span millions. gail, that's what's been going on since the war on terror. julian, a sergeant, we leeks ex. oh sure. this brought many of these atrocities to go public i. which is why julia is being punished. it's a vindictive parent of tampa. it's not going to work. you never know when you are

shocked by the yahoo news story and had previously been reported. i think in the grey zone, about the stories about gun battles in knights bridge in central london and even even adam, she was surprised. what did you make of it? you never surprise. well, i'm not surprised because, you know, i knew that it was, it was going to happen. and the way they did it, of course, was very dramatic. since the last ecuadorian government, the post korean government, meaning the equitorial effective. so the past, the cia and when the go shooting on how best to get him out. see i was thinking about bumping assange off, killing, executing him in the side, the ecuadorian embassy. they had the black. so he was released. i think

british intelligence wouldn't have been too happy about that eventuality, because after all, it is better. so he was released and locked up and bell marsh for is not high security. prison for want to charge and age charge was a breach of bail conditions. of anyone being locked out in a prison like been in march for that very clear that the british secret state and not so secret state or even judiciary has been very vindictive in the treatment for science large on the say. so largely, but not exclusive. on the say, so all of the united states, i mean, even in britain at the time when the care storm, a current in the off position, which is in itself a was director of public prosecutions,

his office and special messages. the swedish prosecutors were thinking of withdrawing the charge for a center saying don't do it yet, don't do it. well, the hearing is is next me tally. thank you. thanks for the show will be back on monday, july again. the royal families ties to the nazis a week ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against prince andrew jill. and keeping judge y social media. let us know why you think major nation journalists don't come out on the streets to defend julian. so oh so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on a very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk when

i see black america, i see part of myself. when i was growing, young, black americans spoke to me when white australia did not. those who say black marsh matter is a movement, we are importing from a marriage up. no, nothing of who we are. i lived in a world where white lives mattered. and i was not wide like missing and i wasn't known from black america. i learned how to speak back to whitefish aboriginal people here more every day. we are out loaded system now will be the police were out with 2 seats. i'm scared that more children are going to grow up in the country that think says no racism, but they're more likely to end up in the criminal justice system. then there are

other fellow friends in daycare this household that lives here when i take the public mood swings to the in france, just ahead the presidential elections. and there's no shortage of candidates to meet the popular agenda. america's leading and medical research agency admits funding controversial research into that corona virus who's in china's we'll hand something previously repeatedly denied by the white house's top infectious disease expert. and the u. k. prime minister was accused of selling out working people for failing to ban the practice of fire and re hire. that allows employers to give workers less favorable terms and conditions. ah

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