ah, i'm african retention, you're watching, going underground this week you k p m, boris johnson, flew his foreign secretary lives trust to arms, customer saudi arabia, which has been bombing yemen. presently the worst humanitarian crisis in the world . this while a usa with $40000000.00 unable to eat tonight without welfare looks to increase war spending to $725000000000.00 a year. the extent of the malign road of the military industrial complex was revealed by one of the most famous journalists in the world wiki leaks is julian assange. he is in jail ahead of another hearing next week. joining me now from london is also a historian and the inspiration for the rolling stones, st. fighting man tarry gali, a member of the original anti war bertrand russell john pal salter tribunal. he, along with edward snowden and others, a part of the resurrected tribunal now named bel mush after sanchez london prison

direct thanks so much for coming back on another terrible week for the global south . there been all these the violence in jerusalem. there have been explosions in syria, in brazil, accusations of genocide, but in nature, nation media, se the b, b. c, cnn. they're mourning the loss of colin powell. he of my li'l salvador, nicaragua, pan, am i rock? was what did you make of the eulogies to the 1st african american as secretary of state and as other powerful u. s. military industrial, complex positions? well, i mean it's what usually happens. this thing was similar, noticed a few service rumsfeld because he was just a white guy doing his job. you know, you know, i'm referring to the deceased war criminal, donald rumsfeld and with the same it's become a slightly more emotional because of the skin color. but what he did was hoping to

basically serve the empire lies my mystery wage was and in the case of a pound, of course, he has a pre history to iraq, which is very mom. and he was one of the younger officers who come right up, the main line massacre which made her became a huge scandal in the u. s. history. so that's what he is a celebrate pharaoh and give them a good send off because they support all this stuff and have been for ages. now. the media, the global media in the west is a central player and all the wars that have been taking place in the 21st century. the lies about iraq were told by the new york times what federal in the b, b. c. under pressure from blair, director general the bbc or didn't tow the line were basically forced out, etc,

etc. so these walls have effectively cemented the role of the state media. in particular, like the bbc of cnn and our west germans, tony tony, blinkin biden's, a man in the state to bob and said he was a great man. i think what i'm getting out is because you were a pioneer, multi cultural issues. i worked for you on a 5 day program after all, i'm always seeing the weapon izing of identity politics to cover up the kind of actions you're just talking about. people can see are interviewed sy hersh on the my lai massacre and i youtube channel because they kept on talking about identity politics. i somehow ignoring what you were just talking about. they go on and on about it on the ticks in. so when hillary clinton and secretary of state justified the public lynching and brutal murder, mamma duffy,

she said we came, we saw he died. not too many comments in the press. some said quite witty, very triumphal is stuff. so this defense of blayton to goes on and identity politics. so one of the things that i used to justify they can use many of the identity of the person doing it is not that necessary. anyone could do it within the peer. so then paul has gotten a lot of the identity politics side of it. interesting me, i don't know if anyone recalled or mention that when he was under heavy pressure to stand as republican president is. why the, to that she said you want to come out of this about well, and presumably referring to us as a nation attempt is 10 years since the libya intervention actually, since you mentioned it,

you might have heard that the elder brother of the guy who has been, it was done for the atrocity in manchester, the area of the grand a concert, presumably both of them libby and fighting group. members, i don't know, somehow escaped after rejecting said john saunders inquiry questions after that atrocity and man just to why do you think no one is asking here about connections with policy on libya? well, i think it's obvious. i mean, in many cases and people were encouraged, if not routed by britain, our west countries to go and fight and britain as a lynx. in any event, this guy was probably out of some team which was sent and they're now embarrass, comes up. it's happened in the syria noise. well, it's happened in the bosnian more people they recruit to go and fight for their side. whatever it happens to be at the time when nap altima as slightly

crazy. the stabilized by the experience and carry out acts of terror. they're not the only ones, but there's a neighbor. but all those brave relatives, i mean, how do they get away with the authorities here? they obviously want to know why their children died. i think they don't get, i mean that's one reason why they get away with it is they say we're doing our best . we've got all these prevent programs. so going to fight to more in libya or syria is on a different level clearly. but it's not so different, you know, people become like that with ordinary lives are lost, a lot of is made and then the speed with which history most of the moment, thanks to the way in which society and of course, the mainstream media function is never to recall, so if it goes, it goes and people can gary on weeping for the rest of their lives. we live in some

people saying that the afghanistan withdrawal allows the united states to target africa, more obsessively. you've written extensively about afghanistan and you book out this month here in later to be published internationally in a months time. what did you make of some people celebrating this is a complete change in us policy that at last the u. s. has seen the light and realize they should get out of these wars that they're defeated in. well, i think what the us so well, so there was no way forward for, for agile a stalemate, the united states is known this since 2015 for the soviet union when they went and realized very quickly and determined to move out 3 years in the war the united states, as

a much much longer spent terinio seeing the dead. so tens of thousands of grand citizens loss on their own people, not that many. it has to be said and they have no alternative left. so politically, in ideologically it's been a huge setback as they know perfectly well. will it stop them containing these a crime shows? no, it wont. they're an imperial, all this to behave in their own interests as a b, as i want to do. and setbacks can be, i shrugged off, especially in a large unipolar world. there is no big alternative state their life of soviet union in a different way used to be. so there's no global restraint and what all the a european union and britain are totally locked in. so

japan and australia in asia. and so the united states can more or less get away with what it wants to do. i mean, there was some european opposition to the iraq war from germany and france, but once iraq was occupied, they came on board to recognize did support to be occupational, open trade relations, etc. so that's how the functions and you know, we, many of our suppose it, but we have to be aware of what that well, so no, they're now permanent restraints on american power at all. but a short term loss of profit for some of the major weapons and security multinational companies. as julian assange mania, when we say the government spend trillions, actually these trillions are recycled through into big company profits and directions. profits in, in new york, london, and paris. this is all true,

but these profits never see because this alarms and compete with each other in saving armaments to all over the world, including themselves. so you see this huge bust out where the french preston macro lost it and withdrew bastards from the united states. because of a trade de la nuclear submarines which he'd been promised to united states the impression sprayed ups. there wasn't too much pressure. i bet. and gave the deed to britain and macro read the bank, but he should know that's the order of the day. i mean, he's been boasting that he's in the atlanta says because green atlanta says president promises, and that's been the tailed or french foreign policy, especially under the socialist, but not exclusively. and so when this happens, micro is angry. but you know, people,

the anger is about selling nukes and nuclear submarine arms to a country to proud around permanently underneath chinese waters on periphery. so this is, that is what happens in the case of, of gun is done. it's the big loss of me is beyond the arms merchants with news, but their crowns for the big loss for the west is that the control they exercised him directly over the one success story in a promise that is now over and that is more to the when the fellow bundled previously in a share of the global heroine opium crate was about 2425 percent under 20 intervention alarm. be praised, it is gone up to nearly 90 percent. so that is advanced and that is

a lot of money. and that is the money which the middle men, which included lots of apparatus serving and upon this on no doubt, senior officers and soldiers from all these armies and all the soldiers who became drug addicts that is now gone. and so the, i assume they've taliban will be now in total control of this trade, which is very, very profitable. obviously i'm saying the taliban deny being drug dealers. they say they clamped down on it and the london washington and camber all saying that the submarines can't carry nuclear weapons of obviously they can be upgraded to, to sell the target. i'll stop you there more from the legendary, also historian and activists after this break. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it treat even foundation, let it be an arms race is offensive, very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how

that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time. time to sit down and talk it's been decade since the fall of spain's fascist regime, but old wound still haven't tailed. your interest in going into them is 40 finish. because on the coming out to you, michael feed him okay. people miss a powell said cutting me on the percent the say me neighborhood anderson, i think with thousands of newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption. they don't really bottom on are you just yet for faster than my own? global is ophelia and linda. to this day, mothers still search for grown children, while adults look in hope for their birth parents. and welcome back. i'm still here with historian, northern activist, tara golly,

i mean, since we're talking about selling arms, what he may give a yeah. at least trust who's previously that. she's the foreign secretary of this country. she previously admitted to breaking court orders, batting, sales of weapons, as audi. ravia morris jones was dispatched to saudi arabia. yemen is not even on the news except on unicef advertisement. in between the news bulletins. you think this is a, this is going to be a big, big element of trade policy to sell weapons to saudi arabia. more of the big selling weapons or can, can come if you, the expression. this is the kingdom created 1st by the british empire when taken over by the american empire. it's been controlled by them on many different levels . obviously the side of these have some autonomy, lifelong background prince decides to go and bump off with the soviet embassy. got

him into the 2 pieces and bring him back to saudi arabia that you can bet has not been authorized by any wisdom, interventions, agency, but they have to be about some more drama. i mean, they've been armed for a long time. and the irony is leaving aside the horrors that are being inflicted on the yemen. today it was the western world watches it citizens go sleep for the horace is being inflicted on by yemen, just fill me with despair. for years, decades, the saudis had been buying up huge amounts of weapons lands from britain, mainly from the united states. and doing what with in the eighty's and ninety's and even the beginning of this century, they've been with large warehouses in the desert when these things are stored. and

those who actually went to see them said they were rustic. they had no use for them . but they bought them in order to do their part of the been there to play and being loyal to the people to get them in such a long time. i, western support was withdrawn from saudi arabia or subsidies with wrong for that. matter is true. change would come very quickly and both these can you think any truth. and so the money before he was assassinated was trying to secret brush more between iran in saudi which is presumably a nightmare scenario from a 2 e p. you know, i. 1 don't know whether that is the case or not. it will surprise me because he was proactive. he was an extremely intelligent person. and one of the more intelligent people in the regime as a whole. and he was the ro look played in afghanistan by him,

and his paper was to crime men, the breach with caliber. i mean, as you remember, the iranians had supported the war on iraq and all of them got nothing out of it. so there was some rethinking going on there. and a behind the scenes stalks with the taliban, which the united states have been conducting iran to as be conducting. and they have a bit more to offer. they have a minority which has to be defended. they can actually decide whether or not to keep a promise on stable, most likely it seems that they have to do so. so the house to the t is basically the, the violence in the front. this is basically related to a very tiny group of isis supporters and where they are, my problem is, you know,

o debate which goes on. but in any event, the iranians have been making and so no money played auto met. and i remember a couple of years ago when i was visiting focus on back line in the a c, i, a guy shot down by dalin bon in play or something like that. and when you read the story, it was that the iranians have identified the ca unit, carried out the killing. also mommy found that he was in a panic on a visit and knocked down his playing. the story disappeared the next day, or on the breast, while the people in this country looking to call 26, blaming china for maybe not. she didn't ping prevaricating over coming to glasgow. what, what role does china have in pakistan,

given it bank rules pakistan in terms of what happened in afghanistan? read the taliban take over. what i mean. they are still a teacher. chinese is large, motivated by the chinese economic advances. they're a huge economic right. hold on to, to be done away with, which is why was in the america 80 to there is a debate because they will be affected if they go to hard on. johnathan john is not going to sit down and do nothing economic in terms of sanctions, etc. but let's hope it doesn't reach that, that is austin lity, but add to that is the factor that china has now. so it's own solver in a very clear way and doesn't follow western foreign policy. neither do the russians for different reasons, but both to man, the chinese having asserted the sort of to your own countries. after

a period in which the west had assumed that russia and china would simply follow them blindly, that hasn't happened. in fact, that the exact opposite that has happened and they resent it when any of the free exercise. it's somewhere in this way, regardless of what they do, it's the opposition to total. so a concrete which is a whole mark of the present political set up on that local scale. so the chinese do what they feel like with pakistan is very different because to be objective here. good relations with pakistan have existed since the sixty's. so it's a very old and firm relationship and when the focused on the military they refer to the chinese and always have as are all with the contrast with the united states

being clear that the u. s. blows or blows cold. but the chinese remain steadfast and they have, they are giving back storm as all people don't make it in return for this. they've got the order on that, which is effectively a chinese strong i ought as one of the terminals and great german notes and the development which has taken place. there's created some tension with locals because the way it's been handled, but they're definitely bad. in the case of crime is, i think it is very noticeable. and i talk about this in my book for 40 or in the 1st foreign visit by the senior. i live on vacation was to china. they went the week after they were flew to china. were greeted by the chinese foreign minister and other senior officials and extend

a gave a very clear statement that they are not intending afghanistan to be used by any for country or any foreign group to destabilize neighboring countries. a clear reference to and the chinese are friendly promise, trade relations. and in my opinion, i think this is one reason a chinese presence that has now pushed the united states into reopening discussions and seeing if they can help create terms, etc, etc. so be of guns if they behave intelligently could be in a strong position. thanks to a huge rice or for child the last 2 decades. i mean, i want to get on to julian is on the belmont drive, you know, but just quickly on that, what is a nato nation viewer? supposed to think when the watches any coverage of china with respect to

allegations of genocide, engine jang, the top human rights prize. given this week, the sacker of fries to alexi. now the only people go watch an old, old fake video of him carrying out some kind of mock execution of a muslim woman. what is a view as much to think about g and j? when they watch the pictures from chinese concentration get? well, i mean, you know, it's a certainly not journal, sorry that i am convinced and lots of people because it said, this is a completely exaggerated campaign in the word, genocide is often used is not as a scientific description or has taking place, but as a leave all, you know, obviously the chinese are doing it to bet they're basically sending in lots of people from the majority population trying to fuse that has the way with the

minorities probably main. try them out for a long, long time. contrary by the way to what mouth said they should be getting better on the me respected, etc. but they claim that there are terrorists in groups in which i cannot say whether that is true or not true, simply because one doesn't have any information, but one is undoubtedly true. the west is appointed angry and sweden to monitor the situation. there is no hope, so they're going to make this into. they already have into something that they will use against the chinese and the chinese will respond as they normally to be safe. got also so it's not going to unfortunately people, people, jin chang, this is not going to be very useful in the very dangerous to. if the west for its

own purposes, cries to create an arm struggle group smuggle in arms. it's not going to work, which is one factor why the defeat of amazon is important because the chinese have been insisting very strongly behind the scenes. they should be no minute crude basis. you mentioned has sweden, amongst all of that, going to sweden, very associated with julian assange in the minds of people to read. i don't know the old media partner, we keep the guardian. tell me about the bell much tribunal. you were there with john bulls are in and, and butcher russell. what is the bell mush tribunal? a public relations attend crime, draw more attention to what's been happening to us and why and what it is going to do is link all the crimes we have with the last 20 years in different parts of the world. you know,

6 countries and they did trillion span millions. gail. that's what's been going on since the war on terror. julian, a sergeant, we leeks exp. oh, sure. this brought many of these atrocities to go public. i why julia is being punished. it's a vindictive to terran to, it's not going to work. it never knew it. shocked by the yahoo! news story had previously been reported. i think in the grey zone, about the story about gun battles in knights bridge in central london. and even, even adam, she was surprised. what did you make of that? you never surprised? well, i'm not surprised because, you know, i knew that it was, it was going to happen. and the way they did it, of course, was very dramatic. since the last ecuadorian government, the post korean government

b r b equitorial effectively. so the pastoral cia and when to go shooting our best to get him out. see i was thinking about bumping assange off, killing, executing him in the side, the ecuadorian embassy. they had the back, so he was released. i think british intelligence wouldn't have been too happy about that eventuality because after all it is better. so he was released and locked up and bell marsh for is not high security. prison for what charge and age charge was a breach of bail conditions, of anyone being locked up in a prison like that in march for that, it's very clear that the british secret state and not so secret state or even judiciary has been very vindictive in the treatment of

a lot on these se, so largely, but not exclusive on go say so all the united states, i mean, even in britain at the time, more in the care storm are currently dro your position, which is a joke. and so i was director of public prosecutions. his office sent out special messages to swedish prosecutors who were thinking of were drawing the charger etc, saying don't do it yet, don't do it well, the hearing is is next week tally. thank you. thanks. whatever the show will be back on monday to investigate the royal families tries to the nazis a week ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against prince andrew. until then, keep in touch, why social media let us know why you think major nation journalists don't come out on the streets to defend julian sanchez

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