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a year. the extent of the malign road of the military industrial complex was revealed by one of the most famous journalists in the world wiki leaks is julian assange. he is in jail ahead of another hearing next week. joining me now from london is also historian and the inspiration for the rolling stones street fighting man tarry gali, a member of the original anti war bertrand russell john paul salter tribunal. he, along with edward snowden and others, a part of the resurrected tribunal now named bel mush after sanchez london prison direct thanks so much for coming back on another terrible week for the global south . there been all these, the violence in jerusalem, there been explosions in syria, in brazil, the accusations of genocide, but in nature, nation media, se the b, b. c, cnn. they're mourning the loss of colin powell. he of my li'l salvador, nicaragua powder my rock was, what did you make of the eulogies to the 1st african american as secretary of state and as other powerful u. s. military industrial, complex positions?

well, i mean, it's what you should a, have a similar law, has a few service rumsfeld because he was just a white guy doing his job. you know, you know, i'm referring to the deceased war criminal, donald rumsfeld and the government. all, it's the same. it's become a slightly more emotional because of a skin color, but what he did was hoping to basically serve the empire to elias ministry wage was and in the k. so for co little pound, of course, he has a pre history to iraq, which is very mom, and he was one of the younger officers who come right up, the main line massacre which made her became a huge scandal in the u. s. history. and so that's what he is a celebrate pharaoh and give them a going to send off because they support all this stuff and have been for ages. now

the media and the global media in the west is a central player and all the wars that have been taking place in the 21st century the lies about iraq were told by the new york tribes were battle in the b, b. c. under pressure from blair, director general, the b, b, c. you didn't tow the line, we're basically forced out, etc, etc. so these walls have effectively cemented guerrero of the state media in particular like the bbc of cnn and our western terminals. tony tony blinking biden's a man in the state to bob and said he was a great man. i think what i'm getting out is because you were a pioneer, multi cultural issues. i worked for you on a friday program after all, i'm always seeing the weapon izing of identity politics to cover up the kind of

actions you're just talking about. people can see are interviewed sy hersh the my lai massacre in our youtube channel because they kept on talking about identity politics. i somehow ignoring what you had just talking about. they go on and on about it on the ticks in. so when hillary clinton and secretary of state justified the public lynching and brutal murder, mom, our fee, she said we came, we saw he died. not too many comments in the press. some said, quite witty, very triumphal is. so this defense of blayton to goes on and identity politics. so one of the things that are used to justify they can use many others, the identity of the person doing it is not that necessary. anyone could do it within the peer. so then paul has gone a lot of the identity politics side of it. interesting me,

i don't know if anyone recalled or mention that when he was under heavy pressure to stand as republican president is wife the today. she said, you want to come out of this about well, and presuming here failing to assassinate an attempt is 10 years since the libya intervention actually, since you mentioned it, you might have heard that the elder brother of the guy who has been it was done for the atrocity in manchester, the area of the grand a concert presumably both of them libby and fighting group. members, i don't know, somehow escaped after rejecting said john saunders inquiry questions after that atrocity and man just to why do you think no one is asking here about connections with policy on libya? well, i think it's obvious. i mean, in many cases in libya, people were encouraged to, if not recruited by britain, our west countries to go and fight, and britain has own links. in any event,

this guy was probably are to some team which was sent and they're now embarrass, comes up. it's happened in the syrian was, well, it's happened in the bosnian more people they recruit to go and fight for their side. whatever it happens to be at the time now to mclean as slightly crazy. the stabilized by the experience and carry out acts of terror. they're not the only ones, but there's a neighbor. but all those brave relatives, i mean, how do they get away with it? the authorities here, they obviously want to know why their children died. i think they don't get. i mean, that's one reason why they get away with it. is this a we're doing our best, we've got all these prevent programs. so going to fight or more in libya or syria is on a different level clearly. but it's not so different. you know,

people become like that are ordinary lives are lost, a lot of is made and then for the speed with which history moves at the moment. thanks to the way in which society and of course, the mainstream media function is never to recall. so if it goes, it goes and people can gary on weeping for the rest of their life to school. read some people saying that the afghanistan withdrawal allows the united states to target africa, more obsessively. you written extensively about afghanistan, a new book out this month here, and later to be published internationally in a months time. what did you make of some people are celebrating. this is a complete change in us policy that at last, the u. s. has seen the light and realized they should get out of these wars. they're defeated in well i think what the u. s. so was there was no way forward for,

for actual that they were bunk down in a stalemate. the united states is known this since 2015 for the soviet union when they went in, realized very quickly and determined to move out 3 years in the wall of the united states. as a much much longer spent, terinio seeing the get so tens of thousands of, of grand citizens loss on their own people, not that many. it has to be said and they had no alternative left. so politically and ideologically, it's been a huge setback as they know perfectly well. will it stop them containing a crime shows? no, it won't. they're an imperial odd this to behave in their own interests as a b, as i want to do. and setbacks can be. i shrugged off, especially in

a large unipolar world, there is no big goal, tentative state life of soviet union in a different way used to be. so there's no global restraint and all the a european union and britain are totally locked in. so japan and australia in asia, and so the united states can more or less get away with what it wants to do. i mean, there was some european opposition to the iraq war from germany and france. but once iraq was occupied, they came on board to recognize did support to be occupational, open trade relations, etc. so that's how the functions and you know, we, many of us oppose it, but we have to be aware of what that well. so no permanent restraints on american

power at all, but a short term loss of profit for some of the major weapons and security multinational companies. as julian assange, maybe when we say the government spend trillions, actually these trillions are recycled through into big company profits and directions. profits in new york, london, and paris. this is all true, but these profits never see that because this alarms and compete with each other in saving armaments to all over the world, including themselves. so you see this huge bust out where the french preston macro lost it and withdrew bastards from the united states. because of a trade deed on new peer submarines which he'd been promised to united states the impression sprayed ups. there wasn't too much pressure. i bet. and gave the deed to britain and michael read the bank,

but he should know that's the order of the day. i mean, he's been boasting that he's in the atlanta says because green atlanta says president prompts is add. that's been the tailed of french foreign policy, especially under the socialist, but not exclusively. and so when this happens, micra is angry, but you know, paint was the anger is about selling nukes and nuclear submarines. i do a country to proud round permanently underneath chinese waters on bad periphery. so this is, that is what happens in the case of, of gun is done. it's big loss of me is beyond the arms merchants with news. but they're crowns for the big loss for the west. is that the control they exercised him directly over the one success story and a promise that is now over and that is more to the when the bomb will previously in

a share of the global heroine opium crate was about 2425 percent under 20 intervention alarm be praised, it is gone up to nearly 90 percent, so that is advanced and that is a lot of money. and that is the money which the middle men, which included lots of apparatus serving and then on this, on no doubt, senior officers and soldiers from all these armies and all the soldiers who became drug addicts that is now gone. and so the, i assume they've taliban will be now in total control of this trade, which is very, very profitable. obviously, i have to say the taliban deny being drug dealers. they say they clamped down on it and the london watch didn't camber all saying that the submarines can't carry nuclear weapons. obviously they can be upgraded to,

to sell the target. i'll stop you there more from the legendary, also historian and activists. after this break, lou with who are all those driven diagrams shaped center? some of those with there's syncs. we dare to ask in a

welcome back. i'm still here with his story and author, an activist, derek ali. i mean, since we're talking about selling albums, what do you make it? but at least trust who's previously this is the foreign secretary of this country. she previously admitted to breaking court orders banning sales of weapons. as audi arabia boards, johnson was dispatched to saudi arabia. yemen is not even on the news except on unicef advertisement. in between the news bulletins. you think this is going to be a big, big element of trade policy to sell weapons to saudi arabia. more of the big selling weapons or can, can come if you, the expression. this is a kingdom created 1st by the british empire when taken over by the american empire

. it's been controlled by them on many different levels. obviously, the side of these have some alternatives, lifeline. background prince decides to go and bump off with the soviet embassy, got him into little pieces and bring him back to saudi arabia that you can bet has not been authorized by any wisdom, interventions, agency. but they have to be allowed some more drama. i mean, they've been armed for a long time and the irony is leaving aside the horrors that are being inflicted on the yemen. today it was the western world watches it citizens go sleep for the horace is being inflicted on by yemen, just fill me with despair. for years, decades, the saudis have been buying up huge amounts of weapons lands from britain, mainly from the united states. and doing what with them in the eighty's and

ninety's and even the beginning of this century, they with large warehouses in the desert when these things are stored. and those who actually went to see them said they were rustic. they had no use for them. but they bought them in order to do their part of the been there to play and being loyal to the people to get them in such a long time. i western support was withdrawn from saudi arabia or subsidies were grown for that matter is true. change would come very quickly and both these can you think any truth has them? so they money before he was assassinated was trying to secret brush more between iran in saudi which is been a nightmare scenario from a 2 e p. you know, i. 1 don't know whether that is the case or not. it will surprise me because he was proactive. he was an extremely intelligent person. and one of the more intelligent

people in the regime as a whole. and he was the role play in afghanistan by him. and his paper was to crime men that breach with caliber. i mean, as you remember, the iranians had supported the war on iraq and all of them got nothing out of it. so there was some rethinking going on there. and the behind the scenes talks with the taliban, which the united states have been conducting iran to as been acting and they have a bit more to offer. they have a minority which has to be defended. they can actually decide whether or not people are stable, most likely it seems that they have to do so. so the house to the t is basically

the, the violence in the front is basically related to a very tiny group of isis supporters and where they are. my problem is, you know, o debate which goes on. but in any event, the iranians have been making and so no money played until met. and i remember a couple of years ago when i was visiting, focused on back line in the a c, i. a guy shot down $5.00 bond in play or something like that. and when you read the story, it was that the iranians had identified a unit that carried out the killing. also money found that he was in a promise on a visit and knocked down his play. the story disappeared the next day from the stony breast, while a people in this country looking to call 26,

blaming china for maybe not. she's in being prevaricating over coming to glasgow. what, what role does china have in pakistan, given it bank rules pakistan in terms of what happened in afghanistan? read the taliban take over. what i mean, we are still a teacher. chinese is large and motivated by the chinese economic advance. is there a huge economic right hold on to, to be done away with, which is why was in the america 80 to there is a debate because they will be affected if they go to hard on china. i was not going to sit down and do nothing economic in terms of sanctions, etc. but let's hope it doesn't reach that that has the austin lity, but add to that is the factor they try. law has now it's own solver in a very clear way and doesn't follow western foreign policy. neither do the russians

for different reasons, but both to man, the chinese having asserted the sort of to your own countries. after a period in which the west had assumed that russia and china would simply follow them blindly. that hasn't happened, in fact, that the exact opposite that has happened and they resent it when any of the free exercise. so one day in this way, regardless of what they do, it's the opposition to total sovereignty for concrete, which is a whole mark of the present political set up local scale. so the chinese do what they feel like with pakistan is very different, goes to be objective here. good relations with have existed since the sixty's. so it's a very old and firm relationship. and within the pakistan, the military,

they refer to the chinese and always have as are all with the contrast with the united states being clear that the u. s. blows or blows cold. but the chinese remain steadfast and they have, they are giving backs down as all people don't make it in return for this. they've got the order on which is effectively a chinese strong. i ought as one of the notes and great german notes and the development which has taken place. there's created some tension with locals because the way it's been handled, but they're definitely bad. in the case of crime is, i think it is very noticeable and i talk about this in my book for 40 or in the 1st foreign visit by the senior. i live on dedication was to

china. they went the week after they were flew to china. were breeches by the chinese and other senior officials and extend a france gave a very clear statement that they are not intending afghanistan to be used by any for country or any foreign group. to d, stabilized neighboring countries, a clear reference to change and the chinese, you know, friendly promise, trade relations, a tech group. and in my opinion, i think this is one race of a chinese presence. that is now push the united states into reopening discussions of the barn. and see if they can help great terms, etc, etc. so be of guns if they behave intelligently could be in a strong position thanks to a huge rice or for child allows to take it. i mean,

i want to get on to julian this on to the bell. much drive, you know, but just quickly on that, what is a nato nation viewer? supposed to think when the watches any coverage of china with respect to allegations of genocide, engine jang, use top human rights prize. given this week, the sacker of fries to alexi. now only people go watch an old, old fake video of him carrying out. so i'm going to mock execution of a muslim woman. what is a view as much to think about jane jane, when they watch the pictures from chinese concentration get? well, i mean, you know, it is certainly not gentle, sorry that i am convinced and lots of people because it said this is a completely exaggerated campaign. and the word genocide is often used these days, not as a scientific description or has taking place, but as a leave or will be, you know, obviously the chinese are doing it to bet they're basically sending in lots of

people from the majority population trying to fuse that is the way that those will be a minorities problem. mean try them out for a long, long time country, by the way, towards mouth said they should be getting better on the me respective. but they claim that there are terrorists in groups in which i cannot say that is true or not true, simply because one doesn't have any information. but what is undoubtedly true, the west is the pointed angry in sweden to monitor the situation. there is no hope so rather than trying to make this into, they already have into something that they will use against the chinese and the chinese will respond as they normally to be safe. got also so it's not going to

unfortunately people, jin chang, this is not going to be very useful in the very dangerous to. if the west for its own purposes and tries to create an arm struggle group smuggle in arms. it's not going to work, which is one factor why the diffusion of amazon is important because the chinese have been insisting very strongly behind the scenes. they should be no minute cree basis. you mentioned has sweden, in amongst all of that good, sweet and very associated with julian assange in the minds of people to read. i don't know the old media partner, we keep the guardian. tell me about the bell. much tribunal. you were there with john bulls are in and, and butcher russell. what is the bell mush tribunal? a public relations attend crime, draw more attention to what's been happening to us and why and what is going to do

is link all the crimes we have. we over the last 20 years in different parts of the world, you know, 6 countries and they did trillion spend millions gail. that's what's been going on since the war on terror. julian, a sergeant, we leeks exp. oh, sure. this brought many of these atrocities to go public i, which is why julia is being punished. it's a vindictive to terran to, it's not going to work. we never knew it. shocked by the yahoo news story had previously been reported. i think in the grey zone, about the stories about gun battles in knights bridge in central london and even even adam, she was surprised. what did you make of it? you never surprised? well, i'm not surprised because, you know, i knew that it was,

it was going to happen. and the way they did it, of course, was very dramatic. since the last ecuadorian government, the post korean government b r b equitorial effectively. so the past, the cia, and when to go shooting our best to get him out. see i was thinking about bumping assange off, killing, executing him in the side, the ecuadorian embassy. they had the black. so he was released. i think british intelligence wouldn't have been too happy about that eventuality, because after all, it is better. so he was released and locked up in belmont for is not high security. prison for want to charge a nation age charge was a breach of bail conditions, of anyone being locked up in a prison like that in march for that, it's very clear that the british secret state and not so secret

state or even judiciary has been very vindictive in the treatment to present lodge on the se, so largely, but not exclusive on go say so all for the united states. i mean, even in britain, at the time, more in the care storm are currently detroit opposition, which is a drug in itself. i was director of public prosecutions is office sent out special messages to swedish prosecutors who were thinking of withdrawing the charger center saying don't do it just yet, don't do it. well, the hearing is is next week tally. thank you. thanks. that's over the show will be back on monday to investigate the royal family's ties to the nazis a week ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against prince andrew. until then keep in touch

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