as burden by illness and addictions and they come in fact you are suicides. so is the gap between the genders really so punishing to women? well, to discuss that i'm now enjoying by doing dent or fun founding president of the w 20. the outweighed group of the g 20 aimed at enhancing women's economic and political participation. madam president, it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time to be here. great to be with you and to be in the us. such a lovely day and such a lovely city. you're very kind. well, let's talk about the goals and the aims of the organization or the group that you represent. do i understand correctly that what you're after is the formal recognition of the women's current input in society because they already contributing a great deal both to economics and politics. but it's that input is not always acknowledged or remunerated in. let me start with the last sentence that room

number ation is left there at home to say $0.01 to a dollar, which means $0.13 are missing for room one if they work on the same box. but then you measure the box properly. that's not known, and this is a good indicator in them. some indicators diverse or 30 percent, or even more, less for well. now the 20 is the all to each group of cheap and june 2020 countries even more due to european union because they have a lot of countries with 85 percent 85 percent of the world economy. this is a serious thing. but gee, 20 in white woman took this, let me look at the picture in

a male domination. we sometimes see a chancellor maquel with her blue select which be a real love. i love your st. male domination in politics, male domination in the picture. and let's take 20 picture and all the press press. i ma'am, which i have no checked, but you put in like over and they did, they might work in mexico. they said to 20 lead us, which are signing diverse. no wi fi, social inclusion for one less called them socially. ask them what is this infrastructure about this low that they are making? so social inclusion, last race, and during mexico, birth hearing gression presence of it 1st, my national inclusion of one banks and one moment to find that in australia in

2040 man said 25 by 25 less include 11 into our economy. only 25 percent until 2010. but it keisha when you talk about women's participation, it sounds a bit superficial to me because if we even consider money as a token of value, it's conditioned on women giving birth. i mean, money would make no sense, saving would make no sense if we couldn't count on continued life. so women are already participating, whether it's admitted, whether it's recognize and all they're participating from the very beginning by the very nature of giving birth to children and raising them. that's the most important contribution to the economy. isn't it? correct? i never neglect that hammond. this always tries to neglect best and best not to right perspective on the economy. i come from business and economy back well and

they have to put everything into a proper perspective. what you're saying is that mother is the birth giver and mother is the birth. give her that's correct. and we have to recognize that also one are marked to tell them. so she takes care of the kids. she takes care of the gentleman, the husband, the father, mother does a lot of things, but this is not the economy, this economy co. what is the right solution is that you have to take care of your children. you don't need a country, an organization to tell you can take care of your children. well, one thing takes care of children, but you need care institutional defects. and once you press one to says, care care care treat times today. and last time i heard him, he said, to me, have a care. it comes to me here and be heard from tatiana that

in russia, you're working in carrick thought, which i think will bring money to the country and their leave to woman, because they are anyway, think they distinctively trying to take care of their children. but we must give them a break, we must say as a husband or as a government. now you can leave your kids to here. and when they, when he wants to do their own lax, who hell, whatever it isn't that already happening? because i mean, i, as a woman, can choose whether i want to work what i, i want to pursue my hall be whether i wanna take care of my family. but i think many of the man in this country and in your country, i don't have that liberty of even asking themselves whether they can work or not. they are expected to do that. yeah, we have so science,

so french at this level may have some character on our eyes. i go to the city and i tried to call ms. bowman to be more courage full. and they said, no, i can't do it. no, i can't. so there is that there is a thing that has been coming and telling her no, we can't do it. and you have said you cannot tell them. and no, don't be the brent gardner. she will go up to work and you take care of to get a scared or no, no, no, i can't do that. i have to go somewhere to work it. but then the society gets sustainable. grow naval feel that this is happening, for example, and i was working maybe assist the additional patient and there, and i heard that the clique i have been talking to is on parent to leave. it

was a man and 1st time i ever heard leave a man on phone to leave. something strange, is it something acceptable? he said, yes, my wife burns more than me. so i had to take care of the children and i have to help are doing just this is the battle that we are going. now a lot of our conversation on gender equality is based on formal employment and formal pay by the labor market, as well as people's aspirations are changing very rapidly. and not many people, both men and women want to be seals, they not many people actually want to be presidents. some people are ready to lose out an income in order to gain live satisfaction. do you think this formal match tricks still reflect the actual state of affairs when it comes to the gender gap, which is not only about money and jobs?

i very much agree with you. there is something called work and life balance. i must have a life. i must relax it, i can't do it right now, so we must work for more life balance rather than jump in the economy. contrary, there is something that's called huge shape. bennett country is very poor woman has a higher participation than a country is getting better. woman go well, if i have the car i want, if i have to like she, i have one that's all i will not work. i don't want to do this. so there is no demand for gender equality, she's happy and then you've gotta, they've all come fees and that developed countries says, no, we have everything, but i must look forward to society. so i will open up a charity and then jill and vote for justice side. that's your choice. and we must

have choices. definitely always have choices for isn't that an indication that women already have more freedom to choose than man? because if, when things are normal, you can decide what you want to do. isn't that actually assigned things a pretty good. not for everybody. yes, it's maybe i remember sen telling me, my hype, my wife is very happy. then you meet her this evening, gets the reception, don't tell her that you want her to her. she's at home. i said, no, i will ask her if she is happy at home. that's okay with me. i'm not trying to pull everybody from their houses and trying to get but what is said in this stuff. this said by most the muscular signatures don't come to economy because some institution is not wanting to see them. but more than one is if you

have to calculate that that, that one verb, they bring additional money for the household and that the additional money goes to the children's education and welfare off the household. it's dark blue and this money goes to the children authentication to health, and therefore, if not to provide us all of it. and then thirdly, to close the savings. and if a country as a savings, if can employ itself and produce growth, i didn't say that, but they must ask for this woman to be included in the whole household income. so that the household income will be higher and the countries income will be higher, which is g d p. now we know from many side is that women tend to be more conservative in both spending and risk taking, which can be both a blessing and occurs depending on the circumstances when it comes to call that

9000 and the current pandemic. how is it showing our women doing better or worse than man men via lucas? one most things. moments capabilities multiple and they hate risk taking, but men do take truth. they are built for that. i mean, if they say men shouldn't take chris, they will take risks, but when they say more money should take more risks, they don't take more risk. they don't take loans. not actually good because, i mean, i have, i lucian, that only determined because i would suggest that the women are old, also have better problems to tell words multitasking diffused attention. because, you know, throughout history they had to attend to many smaller things rather than honda. one big pray exactly that allows that's why it needs woman that in the economy in the decision making, she will say enough, made risk thinking. i don't want that i want and why i want to be better. i want

people oriented regulation. that's the one most instinctive reaction. i mean my flip one to be able to express their instinct reactions into the decision making. i want to come to who stopping them from doing that in this day and age. they themselves sometimes say themselves, sometimes they friendship with the say no, no luck enough. there is in england, k initiation 30 percent. if the more is one gender and it applies to man as well. if one gender is less than 31st, so he will not speak if so, more than 2 or more money, but 30 percent men, the men will not speak and woman will not let the time. just listen to him, what's the thing? and what they have experienced so far is that they have seen that many moments said

if we had to move her seals, we had room 1st. that's not a problem. let them know said they want and why with somebody in the board or get that while to fax it to suggest that only women care about them and don't because i mean it's, you know that it's not the case and there are lots of environmental concerns. man and a lot of pretty ignorant women as well. should we gender arise everything in those terms? bishop get rid of our friendship and say that women are in this category, they love and why men are in this category. i mean, they love money, they will not spend one penny for better in my life. that's, of course, not the case. we the walls down to those views. that's why we have to in 111 instant decision making. we have to take a very short break now, but we will be back in just

a few moments. thanks jim. bye . ah, it's been decade since the fall of spain's fascist regime. but old wounds still have entailed your interest in going into a gun with us. because on the phone with michael feed america, people to municipal set, cutting me on the percent the say, you know, with thousands of newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away in fullest adoption that only bought about a used young ford fiesta that are my own robots, i feel a moment to this day mothers still search for grown children,

while adults look in hope for their birth parents. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk ah, how come back to? well, the part investors that are found found the president of the w. m. president. before the break, we were talking about women's interpret earl spirit. then, we are recording this interview in russia,

which has seen this phenomenon and benefited from it many, many times throughout history. the last time after the collapse of the soviet union, when many men went into a deep depression, and over the lame and the women took it upon themselves to earn money. and some of them when i came to china, to buy stuff, to sell them on the market without thinking why they had beneath them. and so to me that shows of women are very strong, very resilient. why do they need any support at all from ma'am? they're very good question. i'm always bundle with russian woman. they can't stand on their own feet, which is what we're asking. but it's not the same, you know, very confident i saw those brave russian woman coming and picking up things to child in russia. really, having bags extremely heavy bags, extremely narrow speeds that they run to the source and try to get this. and the

enter partnership is, is very important for every country, and they create a ship in russia which month of existing at all. so very impressive. well one. but this doesn't apply to all the countries since we're talking about many different countries. we're, we already see this phenomenon in the west when women and men are competing on equal footing. it's man who are at the disadvantage, that much less likely to graduate from universities. they are more prone to risk in behavior and they face higher illness. they have more access to health care. is that a concern to you at all of that when men and women and on the same footing man seem to be losing out? this is something in my mail, seo and chair. persons are telling me why don't you form my and you of our man.

well, do you think it time to come with your somebody else bill for am 20th. i'm not joking. by the way. if we look at the statistics, if it's very, very troubling, man are dying out, literally, they're losing jobs then losing an education. they're losing in health care. in all the metrics, there are defining. there are things of sectors, life care. if you look at the current situation, this 90 per cent full month and very little jump is self lenses, a woman or man. so we will always see that i've worked for an electrical engineering company and it was mailed on me just it was all men. and i know there are very good graduates from engineering schools, but they were not there. they were trying to form their own company's me enter for

nerves and be all of this corporate world. i happen to start corporate to all i could do it, but many romans said you can't do it. it's not for it. tar. no, it depends on your own motivation. i can see that men are losing motivation, but this is, this is a life of outlook. they can choose when they want, they want, you know, why one area where this disparity is manifesting itself is finding a life partner. because accomplished women, according to many studies, have major difficulties at the marriage market because it's hard to find your equal, you know, well educated, well accomplished the, you know, with multiple interest beyond work. and i know from talking to women at this conference, many of them i single or separated. is that a problem as far as you're concerned? definitely a problem with family is and his tuition. that's one of the basic. if

you're, she'll fit the show and try to grab and have a for ourselves. i have a lot of friends that have been divorced and then they want to for menu life and single parents on both sides. we have lots of single parents and, and it's comes back to kerry, call me if you haven't, if you're a single parent carry calling me becomes even more important. then you have a double income and it will only one income and you will face the child all alone by itself, by yourself, and try to take care of it is i think some of them at some point chance you know, and the must all try to learn to manage the family or the relationship. i'm so glad that we came to discussing your family. because i think any discussion

about gender equality leads to that subject to a family which in russia and i know in turkey is still a union of a man. and a woman, and most importantly a unit for raising children. and when it comes to raising children, a man and women, i different, i mean, at least as far as i'm concerned. do you believe that true gender qualities possible when it comes to raising children? or do you see any difference between the roles of mother and father role? so the father i'm the mother is plesco rose most of the time. but to be he is been rang thing. the kid. hey, you get a baby at all and you don't get the car. we must get out of that. well, just because i'm not asking about the choice of toys, but rather about different contribution and mother and father make you the ring of

a child because it has been counted. nurse, a baby you can in perhaps use a formula, but there is a lot of things that i think and we know that from psychology that the mother gives to child. if we try to equate those to, you know, there's a clear indication in psychological literature that, that's, that's not always good for the next generation division of labor to raise a child must be there. is the soul responsible to the mother. if thing to responsible, kill monitor and you know, the physical change, the moment goes and the raising a child. so the father must always be there. and if we have problems, if we have addictions, if we have problems with the people that favor the see if that is all

child child months, that they have experience the father was making up the mother or they themselves except that and these produced found most people and the guy says, i don't want to be death audit. so we need to, if you have an with to raise the child together and try to do what care for and be the role model for better if that girl or a boy. if you're raised in that home, home, a comfortable home, the likelihood that you will be successful definitely increase. now, one of the reasons for inequality in terms of pay is the fact that women are more likely to take some time out to raise a raise a child. and it is usually at least up until now demanded of the

employers that they minimize that gap. but is that fair? because at the end of the day, if we recognize the labor of a mother that she has to do that, not just for herself, but from the society, she is raising. the next generation is an ultimately about employers responsibility rather than the state's responsibility to recognize the work that the woman is doing and compensate that work fairly they, you know, to, to the scale it deserves. there are many things that's happening if you give it to a child in your physiology is nothing new to order. i will look out for the kids and run to work. so you can do that. i think it depends because i could do that easily. you know, i was nursing and baby on the writing my questions and recording an interview. so everybody is different. even among women. we on a different day, love the likelihood that you will get home and stay at home or find

a job that can run by time is more likely to raise child. and what they are asking is that if you want to come back to her, and if you want to be promoted, that needs to be secured by the state and by the employer. but that, that's guaranteed as well. your child's the raising the early ages, they will give you a promotion while your home. that's not likely. but what needs to be secured if your social security menu ever have a proper social security here, that's not that big problem probably in this country. but in many countries, if you do not have social security, if you're to retirement benefits, you are in big trouble. this shouldn't take, she gave it, she wasn't around for 2 years. so she would be 2 years later, retired or she will get less money. these to be need to secure them,

have that this hair one you mentioned before in the russian officials and boasting about having the so called care economy. but to some extent, they have no choice because about a 3rd of children in this country are raised by single mothers. and essentially the state has to play a role of a missing husband. it has to provide benefits if it's once the demographic situation to improve and if it's one of the country to be strong and numerous as it is. don't you think that if the current trans continuum when more states will have to more and more government will have to perform that's role of a missing husband missing father. in order to, you know, keep its population growing and may have been fighting for the panel, care and child care in my home since 2010 and we have some regulations, but this is not what the ideal. but like kelly,

we don't have the statistics that you are saying in russia monitors are the single one fairy of children life. a single mothers, primarily single parents, but it's like overwhelmingly single mothers in during the war. this has been so many wars, if of the 1st world war in our part of the world, we had a lot of force mit missing man and old death 1st or 2nd girl. well, we have experienced this is a more of a dollar more. so when it comes to the state must come in, that's why probably they're talking about and that's why they're putting money. i jumped up and down far does care economy. and i think it's very important now us never had to care economy in other countries that they have

a care regulation. now everybody is coming and that's the reason j less have the best of your experience and our experience less have are. so fade, there are differences, say there but less our success share so that we will be at prospect all of us regardless of gender. exactly. okay, well madam, we have to live in there. thank you very much for. thank you and thank you for watching focus here again next week on. well, the mark ah with . mm

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