i don't see how that strategy will be successful. it's very difficult time time to sit down and talk with . mm welcome to, well, the part when it comes to debates on gender quality, one of the most common arguments you hear is that have it all women have last and what women do have, they've had to 5 for it, one to look at the data and kills do far better in school than voice their last burden by illness and addictions and they come in fact, you are suicides. so is the gap between the genders really so punishing to women?

well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a group event or fun founding president of the w. t. the outrage group of the g 20 aimed at enhancing women's economic and political participation. madam president, it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for time. great to be here, great to be with you and to be in theaters such a lovely little play and such a lovely city. you're very kind. well, let's talk about the goals and the aims of the organization or the group that you represent. do i understand correctly that what you are after is the formal recognition of the women's current input in society because they already contributing a great deal both to economics and politics. but it's that input is not always acknowledged or remunerated in. let me start with the last sentence or a dollar,

which is $0.13 are missing for room one if they work on the same box. but then you measure the box properly. that's not the norm. and this is a good indicator in some indicators diverse or 2 or 2 percent or even more, less for well. now the 20 is the outreach group of cheap, 20 and 20 percent. tend to come out even more due to european union because they have a lot of countries and g, i represent 85 percent 85 percent of the world economy. this is a serious thing, but gee, 20 in white woman. so let me look at the picture in june 28th. we see a male domination via sometimes the chancellor maquel with her

blue select which be a will not a male domination in politics, male domination in the picture. and let's take 20 picture and oh, the press. no. i ma'am, mich, i have no checked like you put in like over and they did, they might work in mexico. they said to 20 lead us, which are finding diverse, no wi fi, social inclusion for less called them socially. ask them what is the infrastructure about this low that they are making? so social inclusion, last race, and during mexico, birth hearing ration present, it fuss, my national inclusion of one banks and one moment to be financed in australia in 2040 then says 25 by 25 less. include

one into our economy. only 25 percent until 2000 said it vacation when you talk about women's participation. it sounds of been superficial to me because if we even consider money as a token of value, it's conditioned on women giving birth. i mean, money would make no sense, saving would make no sense if we couldn't count on continued life. so women are already participating, whether it's admitted, whether it's recognized and all they're participating from the very beginning by the very nature of giving birth to children and raising them. that's the most important contribution to the economy. isn't it? correct? a feminist always tries to neglect best and best not to right perspective of the economy. i come from business and economy back well,

and they have to put everything into a proper perspective. what you're saying is that monitor is the birth gamma, and mother is the birth. give her that's correct. and we have to record nice. also one our mouth to tell them to she takes care of the kids. she takes care of the gentleman, the husband, the father, the mother does a lot of things, but this is not the economy. this economy comb with right solution is that you have to take care of your children. we don't need a country, an organization to tell you, look, can take care of your children. well, anything takes care of children, but you need care institutional defects. and once you press one for to says, care care care 3 times today, and last time i heard him, he said to me, carrie, come to me here, and be her from tatiana that you're in russia. you're working in

carrick thought, which i think will bring money to and their leave to woman, because they are anyways, think they distinctively trying to take care of their children. but they must give them a break. we must say, as the husband or as the government. now you can't leave your kids here and do what they really wants to do. their own lax, who hell, whatever it isn't that already happening? because, i mean i, as a woman can choose what i want to work. what i, i want to pursue my hall be whether i wanna take care of my family. but i think many of the man in this country, in your country, i don't have that liberty of even asking themselves whether they can work or not. they are expected to do that. yeah, we have society, french, and this may have some charter on our eyes. i see i go to

the city and i tried to call ms. foreman to be more courage full. and they said, no, i can't do it. no, i can't. so there is a thing that has been coming and telling her no, we can't do it and see the headset. you can not tell them and no, don't feel the breath or she will go up to go ok. you take care of it gets you scared or no, no, no, i can't do that. i have to go on there too. but then the society that gets sustainable, grow, maybe we'll see that this is happening, for example, and i was working maybe assist frasier. and there i learned that the colleague i have been talking to is on the parent to leave. it was a man and 1st time i ever leave

a man on fan to leave something strange. is it something acceptable? he said, yes, my wife burns more than me, so i have to take care of the children and i have to health are doing this. this is the battle that we are going now. a lot of our conversation on gender equality is based on formal employment and formal pay by the labor market, as well as people's aspirations are changing very rapidly. and not many people, both men and women want to be seals, they not many people actually want to be presidents. some people are ready to lose out an income in order to gain in life satisfaction. do you think those formal match tricks still reflect the actual state of affairs when it comes to the gender gap, which is not only about money and jobs? i very much agree with you. there is something called work and life balance. i must

have a life. i must relax it, i can't do it right now, so we must 4 more life ballast rather than jump in the economy can carry. there is something that's called huge shape. then that country is very poor . one has a higher participation, then a country is getting better moman go. if i have the car, i won't. if i have to like she, i haven't, that's all. i will not work. i don't want to do this. so there is no demand for gender equality. she's happy and then you've got to they won't come fees and that develop come to says, no, we have everything, but i must look forward to society. so i will open up a charity and then geo and vote for just the side. that's your choice, and we must have choices definitely always to have choices for isn't that an

indication that women already have more freedom to choose than them? because if, when things are normal, you can decide what you want to do. isn't that actually assigned things? a pretty good. not for everybody. yes, it's maybe i remember sen telling me my high, my wife is very happy. then you meet her this evening gets the reception. don't tell her that you want her to her. she's up. you know. i said, no, i will ask her if she is happy at home. that's okay with me. i'm not trying to pull everybody from their houses and trying to get like what is said in this w in the set by most the muscular signatures don't come to economy because some institution, not one is to show, but more than one is if you have to calculate that that, that no one birth,

they bring additional money for the household. and that the additional money goes to like children's education and welfare off the household. it's dark blue and this money goes to the children authentication to health and fort, if not for why that's all going to do. and then thirdly, to close to savings. and if a country as a savings, if can improve itself and produce growth, i did them say that, but they must us for this woman to be included in the whole household income, so that the household income will be higher and the countries income will be higher which is g d p. now we know from many side is that women tend to be more conservative in both spending and risk taking, which can be both a blessing and occurs depending on the circumstances when it comes to covent 19 and the current pandemic. how is it showing? are women doing better or worse than man?

men? via luke. that's one of those. things will months. capabilities multiple one thing . they hate thinking, but men do take truth. they are built for that. i mean, if they say men shouldn't take chris, they will take chris. but let me say more money should take more risks. they don't take more risk, they don't take long different, i'm actually good because i mean, i lucian narrowly determined because i would suggest that the women also have better prevented children's multitasking diffused attention. because, you know, throughout history they had to attend to many smaller things rather than one big pray. exactly that allows that's why they need woollen, that in the economy in the decision making, she will say enough, made risk thinking. i don't want that i want and why i want to be better. i want

people oriented regulation. that's the one most instinctive reaction. i mean, my flip will, one to be able to express their instinct reactions into the decision making on the found who stopping them from doing that in this day and age. they themselves sometimes say themselves, sometimes they friendship with the say. no, no, not enough. there is in england, k initiation 30 percent. if the board is one gender and it applies to man as well. if one gender is less than 31st, so he will not speak if so, board with all one but 30 percent men, the men will not speak and woman will not let the time just a few things. and what you have experienced so far is that they have seen that many more months that we had homeless ceo's, we had room 1st months. that's not

a problem. let them know said we want a wireless plan that somebody in the board that or get that while to fax it to suggest that only women care about it than the man don't. because i mean it's, you know, that it's not the case and there are lots of environmental concerns man and a lot of pretty ignorant women as well. should we gender arise everything in those terms. she'll get rid of our friendship with and say that women are in this category. they love and why men are in this category. i mean, they love money, they will not spend one penny for better in my life. that's of course, not the case. we the walls down to those views. that's why we have to enroll into decision making. we have to take a very short break now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. ah

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i welcome back to. well, the parts are found founding president of the w advantage. madam president, before the break, we were talking about women's, interpret earl spirit, and we are reporting this interview in russia, which has seen this phenomenon and benefited from it many, many times throughout history. the last time after the collapse of the soviet union to one, many men went into a deep depression and i'm on women. took it upon themselves to earn money. and some of them when they came to china, to buy stuff, to sell them on the market without thinking whether it's beneath them or not. so to me that shows that women are very strong. very lillian, why do they need any support at all? from ma'am, they're very good question. i'm always palmdo russian woman. they can stand on their own feet, which is what we are asking. but it's not the same, you know,

very confident i saw those brave russian woman coming and picking up things to help in russia. really having bags extremely heavy bags, extremely narrow speeds that they run to the source and try to get this. and they enter partnership is a very important for every country and they create a ship in russia, which wasn't existing at all. so very impressive moment. but this doesn't apply to all the countries since we're talking about many different countries. we, we already see this phenomenon in the west when women and men are competing on equal footing. it's man who are at the disadvantage, that much less likely to grad year from universities. they are more prone to risky behavior and they face higher illness. they have more access to health care.

is that a concern to you at all that when men and women and on the same footing, man seem to be a losing out? this is something in my mail, c o and chair. persons are telling me why don't you form a fair man? well, do you think it's time to come when he will, your somebody else will form, am 20th, i'm not joking. by the way, if we look at the statistics, if it's very, very troubling, man are dying out. literally, they're losing jobs, then losing an education. they're losing in health care. in all the metrics, they are declining. it. there are instinctive sectors like care. if you look at the current situation, this 90 percent one month, and mary little jump is self lend to woman or man. so we will always see that

i worked for an electrical engineering company and it was mailed on me to it's most all men. and i know they're very good graduates from engineering schools, but they were not there. they were trying to form their own companies. me enter for nerves and me all off this corporate world. i happen to started open to all i could do it, but many romans said you can't do it. it's not for it to depend on your on motivation. i can see that men are losing motivation with this is sparkle, life without them, they can't choose what they want. they want, you know why one area where this disparity is manifesting itself is finding a life partner. because accomplished women, according to many studies, have major difficulties at the marriage market because it's hard to find your equal,

you know, well educated, well accomplish the, you know, with multiple interest beyond work. and i know from talking to women at this conference, many of them are single or separated. is that a problem? as far as you're concerned? definitely a problem with family is and his tuition, that's one of the basic. if you're, she'll fit the show it try to grab it and have a for ourselves. i have a lot of friends that have been divorced and then they want to for menu life and single parents both on both sides. we have lots of single parents and then it comes back to carry on them. if you have a single, i may become even more important when you have a double income and it only one income and you will have a child all alone by itself,

by yourself. and try to take care of it is i think some of the at some point chance you and me must all try to learn to manage the family or the relationship. i'm so glad that we came to discussing your family because i think any discussion about gender equality leads to that subject to a family which in russia and i know in turkey is still a union of a man and a woman. and most importantly, a unit for raising children and when it comes to raising children, you know, man and women, i different, i mean, at least as far as i'm concerned. do you believe that true gender qualities possible when it comes to raising children? or do you see any difference between the roles of mother and father and role? so the father,

i'm the mother is classical roles most of the time. but to what to be. he is been raising the kid. hey, you get that baby. it all, and you don't get the car. we must get out of that. well, just like i'm not asking about the choice of toys, but rather about different contribution and mother and father make to the raring of a child because it has been counted. nurse, a baby you can in perhaps use a formula, but there is a lot of things that i think and we know that from psychology that the mother gives to a child. if we try to equate those to, you know, and there is a clear indication in psychological literature that, that's, that's not always good for the next generation division of labor to raise a child health must be that is the sole responsibility of the mother. if you think to responsible to monitor and you know the physical change,

the moment goes and the raising a child. so the father must always be there. and if we have problems, if we have addictions, if we have problems with the people that we ever received, that is or child child months that they have experience the father was making up the mother or they themselves except that and these produced found most for people and the guy says, i don't want to be death audit. so we need to, if we have an with to raise the child together and try to do what care for and be the role model for better if that girl or a boy. if you're raised in that sounds home a comfortable home, the likelihood that you will be successful definitely increase. now,

one of the reasons for inequality in terms of pay is the fact that women are more likely to take some time out to raise a raise a child. and it is usually at least up until now demanded of the employers that they minimize that gap. but is that fair because at the end of the day, if we recognize the labor of the mother that she has to do that, not just for herself, but from the society, she is raising the next generation. is it ultimately about employers responsibility, or rather the state's responsibility to recognize the work that the woman is doing and compensate that work fairly they you know, to, to the scale it deserves. there are many things that's happening if you give it to a child in your physiology is nothing new to order i'm. i will look out to the kids

and run to work. so you can do that. i think it depends because i could do that easily. you know, i was nursing and baby on the writing my questions and regarding an interest are everybody's different. even among women, we on a different day left the likelihood that you will get home and stay at home or find a job that you can run by time is more likely to raise child. and what they are asking is that if you want to come back to her, and if you want to be promoted, that needs to be secured by the state and by the employer. but that, that's guaranteed well, your child's the raising it early a just they will give you a promotion while your home. that's not likely, but what needs to be secured. if your social security maneuver, you don't have a proper social security here. that's not that big problem probably in this country, but in many countries, if you do not have social security,

if you do not have retirement benefits, you are in big trouble. this shouldn't take. she gave it, she wasn't around for 2 years. so she will be 2 years later, retired or she will get less money needs to be need to secure that. had that this fair one you mentioned before in the russian officials and boasting about having the so called care economy. but to some extent, they have no choice because about a 3rd of children in this country are raised by single mothers. and essentially the state has to play a role of a missing husband and has to provide benefits if it's once the demographic situation to improve. and if it's one of the country to be strong and numerous as it is, don't you think that if the current trans continuum when more states will have to more and more government will have to perform dots, role of a missing husband missing father. in order to, you know,

keep its population growing and they have been fighting for them. panel care and child care in my home since 2010 and we have some regulations, but this is not the ideal. but black kelly, we don't have the statistics that you are saying in russia monitors are the single 130 of children, live with single mothers, primarily single parents, but it's like overwhelming with single mothers in during the war. this has been so many wars, if all the 1st world war in our part of the world to be had a lot more smit missing man and old death 1st or 2nd girl. well, we have experienced this is another more of a dollar more. so when it comes to the state must come in,

that's why probably they're talking about and that's why it there. but i jumped up and down our desk care economy, and i think it's very important now us never had to carry on them in other countries that they have a care regulation. now everybody is coming and that's the reason of june 20 less have the best of your experience and our experience less have are so fade to say there are success share so that we will be at prospect all of us regardless of gender. exactly. okay, well madam, we have to live in there. thank you very much for. thank you and thank you for watching focus here again next week on. well, the martin, i'm with

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