ah, with i'm african or is ancy, we are going underground coming over the show is the issue of war crimes. black or white has newcastle f. c follows the british government and cozying up to saudi arabia. we speak to a barrister wants to read card. saudi arabia, which you k p m boss, johnson enables arm sales to bomb yemen. site of the world's worst humanitarian crisis. and the scandal threatens the future of the taxpayer funded british crown ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against prince andrew who denies everything. we ask best selling bio ground hallowani about the traitor king fascism. and if the royal family has always been damaged, good, all of them all coming up in today's going underground 1st to the world's worst humanitarian crisis, fueled by british weapons as bars. johnson's u. k. foreign secretary is trust, returns to britain from arms, customer,

saudi arabia and join. now from the hague, by human rights le toby cabman, co founder of guernica, 37. toby, thanks so much for coming on. so as i say this trust is, go back now, you're raining on boards, johnson's a parade. i'll ask you about 2 specific, legible crabs in a minute. but what exactly have you filed with the british police? so this is an investigation that we've been working on for the best last months. we've been looking at various different instance as part of the saudi coalition attacks in yemen. we have detailed a number of attacks, both in the same and in the north. so 2 different categories of crime. so north, we're talking primarily about a bombardment, indiscriminate shilling of civilian areas targeting civilians and in the south. the use of mercenaries through an american company. and you a proxy to, to carry

a tactical solutions run secret prisons and torture. and execute civilians. so it is that's a sort of snapshot summary of what the allegations concern and what we, what we've done. we've named a number of senior military and political leaders from both salary and the way, the reason why we targeted them. because this follows on from a finding we made just over a month ago, we've been several criminal court, which is then alleging the involvement of other members of the solution. united kingdom, as you rightly pointed out, providing the weapons to which these crimes have been carried. a but so we have filed with the criminal court as well against those persons who are citizens of countries who are members of the i, c. c. but obviously that, i mean, i just had a hand written over to deny any indiscriminate bullying of children and crimes

against humanity. and the i c. c. one doomed to failure because obviously are you able to, you know, members of the international criminal court, i mean, even the united states isn't. and obviously, usa is one of the biggest funded well, the, the point being made is that the cited coalition is made up the number of states far greater than, you know, our america insider radio. the reason why we assume this in the kingdom is so that we go off to those to have the greatest responsibility. but there are of course, other contributing states such as jordan seneca and sudan who have provided support, whether it's with aircraft, whether it's on the ground or whether it is technical assistance to the saudi led coalition. so whilst we are not assuming the case against morality officials or even american nationals, and we can come on to that in a moment. in the i c. c,

we are seeing those other individuals who are members or citizens of member states . so no, it's not doing it and we expect the r c. c to open a proven preliminary examination into is, is sort of coming off the back of when the police were investigating pin a. shay, margaret thatcher is great friend. the dictator of chilly, who was in the ca, who in 9073, but of course british was released but is the point that the metropolitan police might do something here in london too. so so, so this is obviously, it was not intended to come off the back of the anniversary of 17 years. but of course that is one of the legal financial bases for or the metropolitan police to, to launch investigation. this is not the 1st case has been brought. there are cases

have been brought in the past. taylor as an example was rushed to chart rescue to the new k not successfully unfortunately, but that was the question of the evidence, not question with jurisdiction. so we've also seen cases in germany and france around europe against syrian officials and births, other crimes being investigated on the universal jurisdiction. so there is a legal basis or so ultimately it's more of a question of whether the evidence is strong enough rather than if there is actually an evidence or, or a legal barrier. of course, with this particular case the, the added difficulty or the political considerations. yeah, i mean, it's clearly a, some would say a political matter, not a, not a judicial matter at all, but i mean, i'll get on to that. let me, let me respond to that. i think i've said this before. it war

crimes allegations are generally by their very nature connected to political considerations. now, when i say there are political considerations in this case, this because the saudi officials are to it's our major trading a united kingdom. so there will of course, be some attempt to influence or interfere with an independent investigation. and this will be a test for our north walsman and prosecuting authorities. and our team we will now be in the global south, are going to look at this. and since it is an international problem, i can walk in as a syrian citizen into court in damascus and say, i want to prosecute britain for i want to give birth johnson and to raise a may for war crimes for helping out either and isis in syria trying to overthrow the government or going to baghdad court over the 2003 iraq war. i mean, you know what, what differences away well,

i think it would be better suited for syringe and his regime for crimes committed concert. but that's, that's, that's another discussion of what i mean, the damascus citizen would clearly go in and say they bomb my country. well, if, if, if syria has universal jurisdiction laws as part of the legal framework, then there's nothing to prevent that reason it's, britons universal jurisdiction laws. you're saying that women, all countries, in no countries, many countries around the world have universal jurisdiction laws within, within the national rules. they differ from country to country. some countries require that to be a connection to, to that country in the u. k or jurisdiction in the whales, there's no requirement. the suspect is a british national. there's no requirement that the victim is british national and there's no requirement or crimes were committed on british soil. the reason why we

have universal jurisdiction laws that's not for, for any crew, but these are the most serious nature, those crimes that are recognized under international humanitarian law as the most egregious war, crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, many countries around europe certainly have this in on the statute, so you can file a case against a foreign national crimes committed outside of the jurisdiction. that is our responsibility to humanity. and that's something that our strongest of all i mean your group is called gun ago. 9037 was only named up to the painting by a lifelong communist picasso, who hated western policies. and even de facto back the usaa invasion czechoslovakia, i don't, i don't know. the boy, a painting is significant because when he was in his studio and i looked at the painting and said, did you do this? and he said, no, you did. that's. that's canceling. the bombing of good britain was arming the

fascists in spain. at the time. i just on the specific 2 of these 20000 is of the attacks among 20000 and strikes a school bus. you say is a war crime, a bombing of a school bus and a funeral. there was a double cab strike on a few. so we have highlighted those $22.00 particular incidents, amongst many incidents, the sam, it was a mistake, i think well, there was investigation into it. nobody was held accountable. certainly that never actually issued any public filing response to that. but it was regrettable that it was a mistake that has no official investigation into those that were responsible for giving that or carrying out that if the, if the case goes forward the perfectly within their rights and should be within

their rights to be able to, to go into defense of says that it was a mistake. our evidence is that there was a strike carried at least 2 particular strikes were carried out in which a large number of civilians are killed. of course, it will have to be down to where the evidence is strong enough to show that those we say are responsible can be proven to be responsible. but that is the obligation to wear make you know, a former x british foreign off his lawyer. molly mal rady, said the mars johnson allegedly jokes about the saudi conflict with yemen. i think laughing, joking about saturday. conflict in yemen. unfortunately, i'm not able to parse johnson as frequently foolish remarks like that because it's seen as part of global britain. i mean, couldn't the point be made that the court and the police that you went to file the complaint with their paid for by taxes from britain's largest companies,

including weapons got bridge. aerospace is britain manufactured company. the you go to, you're going to police that are funded by the weapon sales. in terms of tax. of course, we're talking about our institutions that are mandated by law to correct functions independently and partially not as what we are. we are if that doesn't infuse to investigation, we can take it to the high court. we can traditionally review the decision not open investigation. and if they are not open investigation because of political considerations, then the high court will rule accordingly. i mean, it's the 76 anniversary of the un charter on it was on sunday. the you and voted to a bullish committee, investigating a legible grimes in yemen just ahead of the birthday. even the un doesn't seem to be too interested in what you are. well,

i think you also got to look at the states that voted for that to be terminated. i think that speaks for itself, they were sadie rabbit, the u. e, and states like that involved. so states states no regard. all right. and what date should we be looking to work as this case proceeds in the latest case? what should people be looking at? well, i think in a case such as this is very complex. there's a lot of material that police will have to consider what the approach which is generally taken is that they go through what's called a scoping exercise. so a preliminary investigation to see whether the evidence is strong enough to take it to the next stage. they will have to seeking bias in crime prosecutor as to when there's sufficient information to charge individuals. so i don't think anybody should expect this to be decided overnight. boris johnson won't be charged just to be clear, analyst trust was condemned for breaking

a court order in terms of weapons exposed to saudi arabia, which was only temporary bathrooms. he, we're not even robert johnson. we charge in this particular filing, no toilet for us. all 9 deciding not, not toby government. thank you. thank you. after the break, i had of next week's court hearing with implications for prince andrew. what about another scandal linking the royal family to nazis? all the smoke and we are about to have going underground. join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. and i'll be speaking together in the world of politics, sport, business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then. oh when i went shopping wrong, when i was just a sheep out to come to the african

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the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with ah, welcome back with the taxpayer funded british royal family embroiled in yet another scandal ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against the queen's son, prince andrew next week. we now look at another scandal that was actually responsible for putting elizabeth the 2nd on the throne in 1952, a new book reveals the extent and cover up of fascism within the royal family. with me is andrew lounge, best selling biographer, an author of the new book, traitor, king, the scandalous exile of the duke and duchess of windsor. after. thanks so much for going back, go on the show. but i mean, accusing the queen's uncle of her being a traitor. worthy of execution, no comment from the palace and the book relatively little publicity for andrew

lounge book. why? yes. well, i mean it's, it's, it's interesting that, i mean, it's been reviewed a couple of books to tear less started and, and said a and was not really made my case. and i thought all the papers were pauline, but it's clearly a subject. they don't really want to touch. so all the paper says you say we're fighting to civilized my last book. i have gone quite on it. why would, why would there's no, this is what they call dean, who does this is was of the. and then besides, it happened long ago, why is it so we're so well, it's still a very sensitive subject. ah, but i think, you know, we've, we've known about the stories about the duke and indeed even the official life of edward the 8th, talked about some of them. but i don't think anyone joined the dots and actually drew the obvious conclusion that he wasn't the innocent youth, that they've tried to pursue a project that he actually was inactive in trigo. i mean, view is all round the world will know the story as a great romance between the king who abdicated and gave his or thrown up for the love of a woman. and that's the story that damages television writers. we've had,

in fact, in the book you talk about the taming of journalists time and time again, is that taming of journalists continuing to day in covering up the reality of as well. maybe people just want to buy into the meth and isn't with the fact that she was motioning blackmailed into marrying him or he threatened to kill himself if she didn't. she felt chain to this man throughout a life, which is why she eventually bought on various bears, and the worst that she was more unpleasant. she was to him, the more he liked it was extraordinary. so object, object and pathetic character. so i think that that's a myth and i've been sending me rethink the application because i think that what happened is people realize how unsuitable he would be asking how much he wanted to fear and constitutional matters and how pro german he was. and as a result, they use the pretext of wallace to basically maneuver him into 2 abdicating. and we know about her, i mean more recently, prince harry in

a nazi uniform. maybe the breast will love that given that they've taken against megan markelle and prince harry. but when you speak of the nazi sympathies, the connections with the nazis, the secret services next door to this building the studio, they had him on the radar even before. i mean there was an assassination attempt before he was king. i'm not sure the cessation attempt in 9036 when he was king. but the terms of services had been bugging him on the back at the behest of his father. he's the only monarch who had to have balked. but he was also, we didn't know what we didn't know. that's true. those are the papers been released, you're up to right. but i can't think of any others. that would be a but what's extraordinary is the f b, i were also monitoring him. the french secret service were monitoring him later. his police protection officers were, were reporting back to the commissioner of police. so everyone was watching him and his associates and waltz associates because they were pretty georgia people all the way through his life are particularly in the spirit 3536. and when he was,

he was very close to. reuben dropped the german ambassador. there were jazz of german agent to be sent to, to actually live beside wallison bronson court. and he was taking germs down to, to the fort bell videos, country home and leading door is red box is open and time and time again. it information was finding its way to the germans, so we don't know whether or not is by owner, but there are reports in the book or that you relate, that there was on the table. the possibility that churchill would do what the fascination of the truth of windsor and his wife. i mean the various stages, but i mean he could, he was very similar to the germans. what he was king, he in fact tried to, to, to do, to said to, to interfere with the rhine language demilitarised to try and soften the blow and talk to politicians. but then, you know, during the war, this is the important thing. he tries to have a piece party in january 1940, and then there's the famous operation, willy in the summer of 1940, where he is actually going in and out of the german embassy,

talking to them about becoming a sort of british pet, are figure, go lighter, this is what he hopes to be as he sits it out in portugal. and this key moment in the summer of 1940 when we're about to be invaded in the hope that perhaps lord george be prime minister. and he'll be king, and churchill in georgia, 6 will be sent to canada or excuse your imprison to whatever. and yet the media is so odd that you depict arguably maybe as a maybe isn't change, i'll get i did that. but at the wedding of edward missteps, there's them, there's bouquets from churchill and hitler or that their presence for both of them . you say, yeah, he was closely you know, he was, it became friendly with it looks like was he met him in october 1937 along with other nazi leaders when he did a tour of germany and towards her assess training camps. church, of course of been his great, a protector of the application. he sort of was for the kings party, but i think his church began to realize really what,

what the winter was like. his sympathies waned and as you say, he had someone puts of you to russell in spain to assassinate him if required, if, if, if, if he did go across the germans, he threatened to court martial him, and the reason he was sent the bahamas as governor was basically, to get him out of the way is in no, so he couldn't get up to any mischief. but of course, even in the bahamas, he was up to mischief with german agents. i mean, today there's a class of all agog tech. no, all a girl who talks about ayn rand and all sorts of strange political ideas. i mean, we're not necessarily, but all these people that have walk on parts in this book called porter summers at more money. the g t regretted garbo elizabeth taylor, maria callas, and it's hemingway, they're all hanging out at different times over lunch, with professed neo nazis or of people who i suspect, well, we don't know what they talked about. i mean, i think they love the glamour of being associated with the former king and, and vice versa. i mean, he, they ran a very good table this, you know, wallace was

a fantastic hostess. one night wait, she said to butler, he said there are any 6 for dinner. she said yes, but they are all kings paid by the british taxpayer or by the monarchy baby by the british tags had money. exactly. he had money, you know, from the civil list or from the family and come to the civil list. but he had huge investments. he'd saved a lot of money. when he was prince of wales, he had plenty of money. he mixed with, with people like clint murchison, who was of course, connect with the kennedy assassination rich texas oil barons who basically bankrolled him. and he sponged off these people and he got thing. he paid his staff not very well. he got, he was got to to free stuff so he was able to, to instance, live very well on, perhaps slightly less expensive than others. i mean, general motors forwarded their sorry to drove a b. m. why would the rothschilds of bankrolled them given the famous jewish family, of course, well, certainly the ross charles game accommodation, when he 1st abdicated for how do they would do it again,

who's awful to them. and in fact, kitty rothschild left off for a few weeks. she just couldn't stand him use, he was running up huge t telephone bills and expected them to pay and he was very rude to her. and so in some ways i, so do you see might really well, i mean, yes, yes, exactly. he even to it was life, he thought hitler was a good chap and he was antisemitic and he remained very friendly with people. i also mostly what he knew about the holocaust and he knew what the lady was on. yeah . yeah. i mean, they were open about it, i mean, and then as regards the cover up the great labor, 945 government, clement atlee hot off the heels of the molest insurgency. which guild, i'm told a hundreds of thousands of people, arguable genocide. they, the athlete government works together to cover up papers to save the monarchy is at work. yes, i mean, this is extremely episode that these german documents, which of the telegrams took place in the lighting for in 1940,

which were supposed to been destroyed by the germans actually weren't. and they were found by the americans. that was the lucky thing. they were found, the american sector and american stores decided they would use these documents. and of course, it was a big fight to the americans put pressure on the british. sorry, the bridge put pressure on the americans to suppress the zak documents to destroy them. some indeed were destroyed, but the american historians and it was no fight tracking them. freedom said no, this is important bit of history and we need to preserve this. and eventually though churchill and others managed to delay publication till 957, many of these documents were published. but they were then just ridiculed and said that in these, these people reporting back about his activities were just making it up. which, you know, it was ridiculous, but that was the story that was bought. and you can see how much work you've done to try and assemble what we do do have. but then the big irony is the moral of the tale as it were. is the reason britain still has a monarchy?

could well be because of edward. yes, i think the ironies and wallace to this great service, you know, because because he didn't become king because if he did, we might want them to deal with it before the war. we would certainly done a deal in $940.00 if he'd be come back. so we wouldn't have gone down the path we went on. so it's all the secret service, it would have killed him, or there would be something going on, but it's very interesting. all the, the fictions written about him is all about what would have happened if he'd been this go lighter figure. but yeah, the stories there, the story isn't in the british archives. i had to go to the bahamas, that there were the mirror files where he was governor, governor to get and where they haven't, we did the fall. so there's quite a lot of stuff there that's not in the british archives and then the stuff in america, the stuff in france and portugal in spain and russia. but you won't find it in these in here because those, those are cause having read it. and of course the queen still would have been the

queen eventually because they couldn't have children. but, but ironically, mrs. simpson, who is always cost as the evil in many of the dramas and so on, comes off quite well. she helps in women's health care, food banks, in the behind on purpose and the bahamas as a governor's wife. and she tried to do her bit, she served in the canteen every day on the base cooking up making an egg office for citizen soldiers. and she, she, as you say, worked in these clinics with young black children. she did try to improve their lot because he was a racist. yeah. they were both funny racists and in many ways she course, she grew up, you know, she came from baltimore. she grew up in the south. so, you know, her view of black people was, was very different to what we would feel now. but he, frankly, given up any, any intention doing anything there. he realized that bahamas was run by local business from the bay street boys. and he just went and played golf very important also to avoid taxes. that seems to be a really major currency,

isn't it over to save money even? well, london was being bombed there trying to work out how to get more money out of the british. excellent. yeah, yeah, yeah, but also, i mean, i think they lived very or station ostentatiously at a time with chris austerity, both during the war and off the war. so i mean, they actually had p r people to advise them that taking you to pieces of luggage to new york and, and ticking of a huge hotels. floors wasn't a good idea when people were suffering, but they had, they had a 10 year, you know, even when they got to the bahamas, the 1st request was to refurbish government house, even though that was the cost of several spitfires at the height of the battle of britain, he was a petulance. no spoiled child who had just have his own way. so. so just finally, why the cover up and why the continuing cover up and why would buckingham palace not reply to any of your requests for information? well, i think it is still embarrassing. the queen's uncle, you know, was

a traitor during the war. this isn't the narrative that was meant to print for church tray with the royal family during the war, you know. and though the distance himself from that and they froze him out. the fact is, he's the former king. you know, people work teacher far less than he did. i mean, he should have been, you know, he should have been at nuremberg. and that is an embarrassing story. still embarrassing story. hence, you know, no one really wants to go there. and so do you think that strategy continues today? we know that the prince, andrew, who denies all accusations against him, obviously in trouble now are linked to epstein. and so what is that kind of the palace is? i think that's the defacto policy to is to hope to delay things in the hope that the problem will go away or people will give up. and to deny, deny, deny course you did it yourself in deeper and deeper. and i think it's, you know, they've learned nothing from winter with. hello prince harry is not a nazi,

even though he's married a divorce. see this verse parallel, of course, with hire him back in the same fight over finances. security the same of suing of journalists who didn't agree with the same curation to the story, to tame book righteous sibling rivalry, and says, no falling out. i mean, again, the playbook is the same. well, you know the same book, right, and andrew, thank you so much. i should be back. that's over the show will be back on wednesday, the neighboring announces it budget and 27 years. it was a stock market crashes in southeast asia, triggered to global economic crisis until then keep in touch, why social media and tell us whether you think the british monarchy should continue to be funded by taxpayers? ah, the more nato tries to explain itself, the more obvious this cold, warm relic needs to be retired and for good. also, joe biden told us he wanted to be the great unifier, unlike the evil orange man. indeed,

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