ah, i'm after, resents, here we're going underground. coming over the show is the issue of war crimes. black or white has newcastle f. c follows the british government and cozying up to saudi arabia. we speak to a barrister wants to read cards. saudi arabia, which you k p m boss, johnson enables arm sales to bomb yemen, site of the world's worst humanitarian crisis. and this scandal threatens the future of the taxpayer funded british crown ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against prince andrew who denies everything. we ask best selling, bio grand hallowani about the traitor king fascism. and if the royal family has always been damaged, good, all of them all coming up in today's going underground with 1st to the world's worst humanitarian crisis. fueled by british weapons as bars. johnson's u. k. foreign secretary and his trust returns to britain from arms, customer, saudi arabia, and join. now from the hague, by human rights le toby cabman,

co founder of guernica, 37. toby, thanks so much for coming on. so as i say this trust is go back now, you're raining on doris johnson's a parade. i'll ask you about 2 specific, legible crabs in a minute. but what exactly have you filed with the british police? so this is an investigation that we've been working on for the best last months. we've been looking at various different instance as part of the saudi coalition attacks in yemen. we have detailed a number of attacks both in the same and in the north sea, 2 different categories of crime. so north, we're talking primarily about a bombardment, indiscriminate shilling of civilian areas targeting civilians and, and in the say, the use of mercenaries through an american company and a you a proxy to, to carry. i talked assassinations, run secret prisons and torture and execute civilians. so it is

of snapshot summary of what the allegations concern and what we, what we've done. we've named a number of senior military and political leaders from both salary b, u e. the reason why we targeted them, because this follows on from a finding we made just over a month ago with international criminal court, which is then alleging the involvement of other members of the solution. united kingdom, as you rightly pointed out, providing the weapons to which these crimes and been carried. so we had filed with criminal court as well against those persons who are citizens of countries who are members of the i c. c. but obviously though, i mean, i just 1st out the you either a hand written over to deny any of indiscriminate bullying of children and crimes

against humanity. the i, c. c. one doomed to failure because obviously are you able to, you know, members of the international criminal court, i mean, even the united states isn't. and obviously, usa is one of the biggest funded well, the, the point being made is that the cited coalition is made up the number of states far greater than, you know, our emergency to review. the reason why we assume this in united kingdom is so that we go off of those, going to have the greatest responsibility. but there are of course, other contributing states such as jordan seneca and sudan who have provided support, whether it's with aircraft, whether it's on the ground or whether it is technical assistance to the saudi led coalition. so whilst we are not assuming the case against morality officials or even american nationals, and we can come up to that in a moment. in the i c. c, we are pursuing against those other individuals who are members or citizens of

member states. so no, it's not doing it and we expect the i c, c to open a proven preliminary examination into is, is sort of coming off the back of when the police were investigating pin a. shea attaches grade from the dictator of chili, who was in the ca, who in 9073, but it was finish, it was released. but is the point that the metropolitan police, my do something here in london to say. so this is obviously, it was not intended to come off the back of the 17 years. but of course that is one of the legal financial bases for or the right place to, to launch investigation. this is not the 1st case. it's been brought. there are cases have been brought in the past august. taylor as an example was rushed

a chart rescue to the new k not successfully unfortunately, but that was the question of the evidence, not question level jurisdiction. so we've also seen cases in germany and france around europe against syrian officials and various other crimes being investigated on the universal jurisdiction. so there is a legal basis or so ultimately it's more of a question of whether the evidence is strong enough. robin if there is actually an evidence or, or a legal barrier, of course, with this particular case the, the added difficulty are being political considerations. yeah. i mean, it's clearly a, some would say a political matter, not a, not a judicial matter at all, but i mean, i'll get on to that. let me, let me respond to that. i think i've said this before. so crimes allegations are generally by their very nature connected to political

considerations. now, when i say there are political considerations in this case because the saudi officials are these are all major trading partners of united kingdom. so there will of course, be some attempt to influence or interfere with an independent investigation. and this will be a test for our north lawson and prosecuting authorities. and our team we will be in the global south are going to look at this. and since it is an international problem, i can walk in as a syrian citizen into court in damascus and say, i want to prosecute britain for i want to give birth johnson and to raise the may for war crimes for helping out either and isis in syria trying to overthrow the government or going to baghdad court over the 2003 iraq war. i mean, you know what, what differences a way well, i think it would be better suited for syringe and his regime for crimes committed

concert. but that's, that's, that's another discussion of what i mean. we all know them ask a citizen, would clearly go in and say they bought my country. well, if, if, if syria has universal jurisdiction laws as part of the legal framework, then there's nothing that to prevent that reason it's, britons universal jurisdiction, or you're saying that it really all countries in many countries around the world and universal jurisdiction laws within, within the national laws, they differ from country to country. some countries require that to be a connection to, to that country in the u. k or jurisdiction in the whales. there's no requirement that the, the suspect is a british national. there's no requirement that the victim is a british national one. there's no requirement or crimes committed on british soil . the reason why we have universal jurisdiction laws that's not for, for any crew. but these are the most serious nature,

those crimes that are recognized under international humanitarian law as the most egregious war, crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, many countries around europe certainly have this in on the statute books that you can file a case against a foreign national crimes committed outside of the jurisdiction. that is our responsibility to humanity. and that's something that our strongest of all i mean, your group is called gunning. going 9037 was only named after the painting by a lifelong communist. picasso, who hated western policies. and even de facto back, the u. s. z. a invasion of czechoslovakia. i don't, i don't know. the boy, a painting is significant because when he was in his studio and the matches and i looked at the painting and said, did you do this? and he said, no, you did. that's, that's canceling, the bombing of good britain was arming the fascists in spain at the time. i just on

the specific 2 of these 20000 is of the attacks among 20000 and strikes. a school bus. you say is a war crime, a bombing of a school bus and a funeral? that's right. there was a double cab strike on a funeral. so we have highlighted those $22.00 particular incidents. amongst many incidents, the sat there was a mistake, i think. well, there was investigation into it, nobody was held accountable. certainly that never actually issued any public filing response to that. but it was regrettable that it was a mistake that has no official investigation into those who are responsible for giving the current carrying out that if the, if the case goes forward the perfectly within their rights and should be within their rights to be able to, to go into defense of says that it was a mistake. our evidence is that there was

a strike carried out. 2 particular strikes were carried out in which a large number of civilians are killed. of course, it will have to be down to where we have been strong enough to show those we say, are responsible can be proven to be responsible, but that is the obligation to wear make, you know, a former x british foreign off his lawyer. molly mal rady said that the mars johnson allegedly joked about the saudi conflict with yemen. i think locking jerking about saturday conflict in yemen. unfortunately, i'm not able to parse johnson is frequently made foolish remarks like that because it's seen as part of global britain. i mean, couldn't the boy be made that the court and the police that you went to file the complaint with their paid for by taxes from britain's largest companies, including weapons got british,

aerospace is britain manufactured company that you go to, you're going to police that are funded by the weapon sales in terms of tax. of course, we're talking about our institutions that are mandated by law to carry fractions independently and partially. and that is what we are, we are if that doesn't happen infused investigation, we can take it to the high court. we can traditionally review the decision not open investigation. and if they are not open investigation because of political considerations, then the high court will rule accordingly. i mean, it's the 76 anniversary of the un charter on it was on sunday the you and voted to a bullish committee, investigating alleged will, grimes in yemen just ahead of the birthday. or even the un doesn't seem to be too interested in what you are. oh, i think you also got to look at the states that voted for that to be terminated. i

think that speaks for itself. they were saudi arabia, the u. e and states like that involves some states that states that have no regard . all right, and what date should we be looking to work as this case proceeds in the latest case? what should people be looking out for? well, i think in a case such as this is very complex, there's a lot of material that police will have to consider. what the, the approach which is generally taken is that they, they go through what's called a scoping science, a preliminary investigation, to see whether the evidence is strong enough to take it to the next stage. they will have to be seeking by some crime prosecutor as to what they're sufficient information to charge individuals. so i don't think anybody should expect this to be decided overnight. the boris johnson won't be charged just to be clear. i know this trust was condemned for breaking a court order in terms of weapons export to saudi arabia,

which was only temporary bathrooms. he were not speaking of aristotle, we charge it in this particular filing. no, all is thrust or 9 decided not to be gab and beg you after the break. i had the next week's court hearing with implications for prince andrew. what about another scandal linking the royal family to nazis? all this more and we are about to have going underground with

a welcome back with the taxpayer funded british royal family embroiled in yet another scandal ahead of a hearing in the sexual abuse case against the queen's son, prince andrew. next week we now look at another scandal that was actually responsible for putting elizabeth the 2nd on the throne. in 1952, a new book reveals the extent and cover up of fascism within the royal family. with me is andrew allowing the best selling biographer, an author of the new book, traitor, king, the scandalous exile of the duke and duchess of windsor address. thanks so much for coming back on the show. but i've been accusing the queen's uncle for being a traitor, worthy of execution. no comment from the palace in the book, relatively little publicity for an under lounge book. why? yes. well, i mean, it's interesting that, i mean, it's been reviewed a couple of books here. last started and said a and will not really made my case and i thought all the papers would pile in, but it's clearly a subject. they don't really want to touch all the papers, as you say, were fighting to serialize my last book have gone quite on it. why would,

why would there's no, there's a what do they call dino? disease was up there. and then besides it happened on the go, why is it 0? well, so it's still a very sensitive subject. ah, but i think, you know, we've, we've known about the stories about the duke and indeed even the official life of edward the 8th, talked about some of them. but i don't think anyone joined the dots and actually drew the obvious conclusion that he wasn't the innocent youth, that they've tried to pursue a project that he actually was inactive. and trigo, i mean, view is all around the world will know the story as a great romance between the king who abdicated and gave is thrown up for the love of a woman. and that's the story that damages television writers. we've had, in fact, in the book, you talk about the taming of journalists, diamond dime, a game, is that taming of journalists continuing to day in covering up the reality of as well. maybe people just want to buy into the myth and is

a myth. the fact is that she was emotionally blackmailed into marrying him or he threatened to kill himself if she didn't. she felt chain to this man throughout her life, which is why she eventually bought on various bears. and the worst that she was more unpleasant. she was to him, the more he liked it was extraordinary. so object object and pathetic character. so i think that that's a myth and had been sending me rethink the application because i think that what happened is people realize how unsuitable he would be asking how much he wanted to fear and constitutional matters and how pro german he was. and as a result, they use the pretext of wallace to basically maneuver him into 2 abdicating. and we know about her, i mean more recently, prince harry in a nazi uniform. maybe the breast will love that given that they've taken against megan markland prince harry. but when you speak of the nazi sympathies, the connections with the nurses, the secret services next door to this building the studio, they had him on the radar even before. i mean there was an assassination attempt

before he was king. i'm not sure that i should attempt in 9030 sakes when he was king, but services had been bugging him on the, at the behest of his father. he's the only monarch who had to have bogged, but he was also, we don't know where we didn't know. that's true. those are the papers been released, you're up to right. but i can't think of any others. that would be ok. but what's extraordinary is the f b, i were also monitoring him. the french secret service were monitoring him later. his police protection officers were, were reporting back to the commissioner of police. so everyone was watching him and his associates and waltz associates because they were pretty georgia people all the way through his life, particularly in the spirit 3536. i mean, he was, he was very close to, reuben dropped the german ambassador. there were jazz of german agent to be sent to, to actually live beside wallison bronson court. and he was taking germs down to, to the fort valvor. the whole country home and leading door is red box is open and

time and time again. secret information was finding its weight and the germans to we don't know whether or not despite or not, but there are reports in the book or that you relate, that there was on the table. the possibility that churchill would do. what are the fascination of the truth of windsor and his wife? i mean the various stages, but i mean he could, he was very similar to the germans. what he was king, he in fact tried to, to, to do just to, to interfere with the ryan language demilitarised, trying to soften the blow and talk to politicians. but then, you know, during the war, this is the important thing. he traces of a piece party in january 1940, and then there's the famous operation, willy in the summer of 1940, where he is actually going in and out of the german embassy, talking to them about becoming a sort of british pet, are figure, go lighter this is what he hopes to be as he sits it out in portugal. and this key moment in the summer of 1940 when we're about to be invaded in the hope that

perhaps lord george be prime minister. and he'll be king, and churchill, in georgia, 6 will be sent to canada or excuse your present or whatever. and yet the here is so odd that you depict arguably maybe as a, maybe as a change. i'll get out to that. but at the wedding of edward, amidst tibbs, there's some, there's bouquets from churchill and hitler. although their presence for both of them you say yeah, he was close. you know, he was, it became friendly with hitler. was he met him in october 1937 along with other nazi leaders when he did his tour of germany and toward sir ss, training camps. church, of course, of his great, a protector of the application. he sort of was for the king's party. but i think his church began to realize really what, what the winter was like. his sympathies waned. and as you say, he had someone puts of you to russell in spain to assassinate him. if required, if, if, if he did go across the germans, he threatened court martial him, and the reason he was sent to the bahamas as governor was basically to get him out

of the way is in so he couldn't get up to any mischief. but of course, even the bahamas, he was up to mischief with german agents. i mean, today there's a class of all agog tech, no oligarchy, who talks about ayn rand and all sorts of strange political ideas. i mean, not necessarily, but all these people that i walk on parts in this book called poor to summers at more money. the g t regretted gobble is with taylor. maria callas, and it's hemingway, they're all hanging out at different times over lunch with professed neo nazis. or of people who are suspect, but we don't know what they talked about. i mean, i think they love the glamour of being associated with the former king and, and vice versa. i mean, he, they ran a very good table this, you know, wallace was a fantastic hostess. you know, one night wait. she said to butler, he said, there are any 6 for dinner. she said yes, but they are all kings paid by the british taxpayer or by the monarchy. babe, by the british tags, had money. exactly. he had money, you know,

from the civil list or from the family and the civil list, but he had huge investments. he'd saved a lot of money. when he was prince of wales, he had plenty of money. he mixed with, with people sent murchison who was of course, connect with the kennedy assassination rich, texas oil barons who basically bankrolled him. and he sponged off these people and he got thing. he paid his staff not very well. he got, he was got cheating free stuff so he was able to, to instance, live very well on, perhaps slightly less expensive than others. i mean, general motors forwarded. they're starting to draw a b, m. why would the rothschilds bankrolled them given the famous jewish family, of course, well, certainly the rothschilds game accommodation, when he 1st abdicated for they would do it again, whose awful to them, and in fact, kitty rothschild left off for a few weeks. she just couldn't stand him use, he was running up huge t telephone bills. he expected them to pay. he was very rude to her. and so

in some ways a teammates clearly. well, i mean, he's, yes, exactly. he's even to the end of his life. he thought hitler was a good chap and he was anti semitic, and he remained very friendly with people. i also mostly, but he knew about the holocaust and he knew what the lady was on. yeah. yeah. i mean, they were open about it. i mean, and then as regards to cover up the great labor, $945.00 government clement actually hold off the heels of the malaria. insurgency which guild, i'm told are under to 1000 to people argue will genocide they the athlete government works together to cover up papers to save the monarchy as it were. yes, i mean, this is extremely episode that these german documents, which of the telegrams took place in the lighting for in 1940, which were supposed to been destroyed by the germans actually weren't. and they were found by the americans. that was the lucky thing. they were found, the american sector and american stores decided they would use these documents. and of course, it was a big fight. the americans put pressure on the british. sorry,

the bridge put pressure on the americans to suppress the zak documents to destroy them. some indeed were destroyed, but the man historians and it was a fight for academic freedom said no, this is important bit of history and we need to preserve this. and eventually though churchill, a novice, managed to delay publication till $957.00. many of these documents were published, but they were then just ridiculed and said that, you know, these, these people reporting back about his activities were just making it up, which, you know, was ridiculous. but that was the story that was bought. and you can see how much work you've done to try and assemble what we do do have. but then the big irony is the moral of the tale as it were. is the reason britain still has a monarchy? could well be because of edward? yes, i think the ironies and wallace to this great service, you know, because because if he didn't become king, because if he did, we might well done deal with it before the war. we would certainly done

a deal in 1940 if he'd been come back. so we wouldn't have a know gone down the path we went on. so it's all the secret service, it would have killed him, or there would be something going on. but it's very interesting. all the, the fiction, it's written about him is all about what would have happened if he'd been this go lighter figure. but the out the stories there, the story isn't in the british or cause i had to go to the bahamas, that there were the mirror files where he was governor, governor to get and where they haven't, we did the fall. so there's quite a lot of stuff there that's not in the british archives and then the stuff in america, the stuff in france and portugal in spain and russia. but you won't find it in these in here because those, those are cause of been weeded. and of course the queen still would have been the queen eventually because they couldn't have children. but, but ironically, mrs. simpson, who is always cost as the evil in many of the dramas and so on, comes off quite well. she helps in women's health care, food banks, in the behind,

on purpose, in the bahamas as a governor's wife. and she tried to do her bit, she served in the canteen every day on the base cooking up making an egg office for sanders and soldier. and she, she, as you say, worked in these clinics with young black children. she did try to improve their lot because he was a racist. yeah, they were both funny racists and in many way she course, she grew up, you know, she came from baltimore. she grew up in the south. so, you know, her view of black people was, was very different to what we would feel now. but he, frankly, given up any, any intention of doing anything there. he realized that bahamas was run by local business from the bay street boys. and he just went and played golf, but very important also to avoid taxes. that seems to be a really major currency, isn't it any to save money even? well, london was being bombed there, trying to work out how to get more money out of the british accent. yeah, yeah, yeah, but also, i mean, i think they lived very or station ostentatiously at a time with austerity, both during the war and off the war. so i mean,

they actually had p r people to advise them that taking it to pieces of luggage to new york and, and to have a huge hotels. floors wasn't a good idea when people were suffering, but they had, they had a 10 year, you know, even when they got to the bahamas, the 1st request was to refurbish government house, even though that was the cost of several spitfires at the height of the battle britain, you know, he was a petulance. no spoiled child who had just have his own way. so, so just finally, why the cover up and why the continuing cover up and, and why would buckingham palace not reply to any of your requests for information? well, i think it is still embarrassing. the queen's uncle, you know, was a traitor during the war. this isn't the narrative that was meant to print for church. portray with the royal family during the war, you know, and though the distance himself from that and they froze him out. the fact is, he's the former king. you know, people work to you for far less than he did. i mean, he should have been, you know,

he should have been at nuremberg and that is an embarrassing story. it's still embarrassing story. hence, you know, no one really wants to go there. and so, do you think that strategy continues today? we know that the prince andrew, who denies all accusations against him, obviously in trouble now linked to epstein. and so what is that kind of the palace is? i think that's a defacto policy to is to her, to delay things in the hope that the problem will go away or people will give up. and to deny, deny, deny. of course, you did it yourself in deeper and deeper. and i think it's, you know, they've learned nothing from windsor with andrew, although the printer is not a nazi, even though he's married, a divorce. see this inverse in parallels. of course harry, megan, you know, same fight over finance and security. the same of suing of journalists who don't agree with the same curation to the story through tame book writers, sibling rivalry, and says no falling out to me again,

the playbook is the same. well, you know the same book writer, andrew, thank you so much like to be back. thanks. that's over the show will be back on wednesday, the neighboring announces its budget and 27 years with a stock market crashes in southeast asia to get a global economic crisis until then, keep in touch my social media and tell us whether you think the british monarchy should continue to be funded by tax payers. join me every thursday on the alex simon, sure. i'll be speaking to guess of the world politics sport business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm. ah, it say it has to be rash. to be able to afford enzyme and find the luxury that for sure. despite having the most expensive health care system in the

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