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with hello in welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle, the more nato tries to explain itself, the more obvious is called more relic needs to be retired and for good. also, joe biden told us he wanted to be a great unifier, unlike the evil orange man. indeed. now there is growing unity in the dislike of by, ah to discuss these issues any more, i'm joined by my just george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast to read the goggle,

which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to me 3 bob and she is a political analyst and editor in us me internet media project or gentleman cross rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to z. my 1st year demo, there's a saying in politics, the more you're explaining, the more you're losing. and it seems to me this applies to nato because it has a number of different narratives going on out there. we had spoken by the head of nato recently in washington, and just, you know, if on cue, you know, it's all about china. no, it's all right to sign it all the same deal geopolitical landscape and security escape and all the it's getting kind of pathetic now. i mean, as i said, if you're explaining it means you're losing, go ahead and what have been seen in the last 2 weeks was very contradictory. he gave an interview with, you know,

the spanish newspaper basically reduced into bumper stickers like russia were going to contain china where i went to engage, even though it's aggressive. and i'm going to start, i'm going to watch that she gives an interview for the financial times where she says, oh, you know, the threats are global. so russia and china are basically the same. it's my big threat that we need to deal together. well, i think that the story was male over the years before the world war 2, you know, when italy and sometimes finland, you know, they, they wanted to be l. i. so he's doing their small little things, you know, on the terror just next to the like the theory of wanted to take greece and some of the islands. the famous probably wanted to take part of korea after they were there by started in. they can, so it's 9, but then he told them, oh i helped you intelligence with race. now over me just started graphs. you know,

the fields kid told them, oh you took about of greatest now how to to be see each. yes. and there has to go. so the same story here is the pool and doesn't want to fight china . you know, the last, the boy hungry want to do, you know, is to find china that they won't do several of their scores with russia. that's true. that's very unfortunate, but washington just, you know, forces them to follow suit. it forces them into a global confrontation and then from predictable, you know, what sort of the big will say next week is not convicted but, you know, it's in our company. there's no geo political strategy here. it's now come here and, you know, george, you know, when he stepped back from it, i mean at the end of the day is as much as nathan wants to claim that brushes some kind of security threat to the european, counting the western part of the year. asia landmass, the end of the day,

the russians really don't care much any more. i mean, they think they're so important these europeans. so no, go ahead. yeah, that's right. and i think that it's striking that years go by and later is unable to articulate any kind of rationale for its existence. and that's why it comes along with all these contradictory statements where, where in the business of this new concept determines and defense in the euro, atlantic area. so then issue is, okay, so russia is the enemy. well, rather, watch out russia engagement in a way, you know, we have to talk to russia. but the problem is, the nato is creating the very problems that he turns around. well, we all the solutions of the problem, because let's just say what happened last week. they expelled these

diplomats from the i said, well, we're coming back on your of your russian presence. nature. well, we're actually just on around with tired of all this time and being these accusations, we're just a, we're closing down your office. and most of that nature uses that you are look at how aggressive russia is. so same thing with lloyd austin, the us defense secretary. last week he went to visit the georgia grade romania and the last to george and you gray. the daughter nato membership is over for, you know, how the nato, the united states explained, rushes to respond to this way. obviously they go to respond with considerable trepidation which then show like dogs or are you saying you are right or aggressive?

look at how there, mouthing of you grading in nature. no, i mean that the interesting thing is that it was on a tour. i think the secretary of defense is beginning, but there are why did you members of the nato alliance that moment are not seen on c, expansion of the alliance, the to include georgia in your crate. let me throw that in the right. because again, i mean is expansion, the goal is the status quo that go over the horizon. is that or is it just everything and nothing at the same time because basically they're continuing to search for reason to continue their existence. and we've just said on this program, 5 minutes and 31 seconds, then it's a number of things. ok. but ever since your purposes of the time and game at the same time you had to orient doing here, trying to in who relations are stopping to terry ation. and then the secondary,

the benz a week later goes around and is, you know, pounding on drums. i mean, i don't see any coherence here. go ahead. well, unfortunately, there are many traditions, but you should always expect the horse with a job because basically the narrative of the last 7 year since they're in boston, it was like russia, you are paranoid, the major is not going to spent and ukraine, it's not on the agenda, we've heard it many times, i know suddenly stalled and says, oh, russia should not be afraid on the expansion of nato. do you agree, major is a defense for why, you know, after 7 years, a war in which russia actually just not a boss, but the worst. keep saying the brush is fight in ukraine groceries. but you know, warren, your brain, your grade is going to be, you go to a huge military of ours. and then you know that the one says, oh, don't worry, you have a war with this. but there's going to join the defense you for alliance. so you

have nothing to worry about, you know, just loss. so the same story with, without marriage, like, ok, you are a north atlantic treaty organization. what are you doing in the pacific, you know, against china black, what? why is pacific when did pacific became? because also when you're great, there are so many stories like that before. like one of the you was expansion is, is some partnership they included barrels were asked them why, why don't you, including russia? well, because we are a union or partnership of democratic congress. what is bill? are we doing there? oh no, it's just, you know, a conscious geographically close to us. what does that mean? you're doing that? you know, we're close to that. i mean, it is just, you know, will you please take this demon also, you know, the partnership agreements are going to the western hemisphere data now as well. the rationale is that they're not predictable,

but your goal is expect the horse because what is behind it is a very region ideology which wants to reform the wall according to the liberal modem in which views big god, just such as russia and china ass books. the goals was achieving that goal in order to remove these obstacles. anything go, you know, you can ally, of course, you can organize on who was and then say that these are people's rebellions. 38, but he's been killed in q during what we're supposed to get peaceful demonstration . you know, a big start the elected president who somehow is not legally left the president because he, oh, he was going to be pro ration, you know, wanted to join the association agreement. but still, somehow it was pro ration, right? so these people will y, as they will use violence and they will use a new pin as long as they feel impunity, the raising, you know, you know, sold rebecca started last about 2 days from now. it breaks my heart to see what's

going on there. why is it the break in your career should be breaking your career, not your heart. instead, we hear from you or just feel sad about that. so don't your mom didn't everything as far. nothing is stopping with the earthy and members of the nato to go when they're stopping and george been stopping them very. exactly. well, i mean, we have not those of the europeans complaining. well, americans didn't tell us that they were planning to withdraw from me. you know, we feel betrayed by the lack of confidence enough. well hey, i did. you want to take off the fact that it's out about the door is open. but it's what's interesting is the, the nate dishonest because they know there's just no way that made the member say, such as germany are going to agree to ukraine membership. so what they're really doing is essentially having a de facto membership and others,

they're actually getting more or more troops and miss styles than weapon race stationed in you. right? so i do crane becomes a de facto nato space. same thing with, i mean, in general or, oh, you know, we need to, yes, but they don't remember that make us so what does that create? well, as far as that is a secure, a deep, right? and this is something that says, love again at the, the ball discussion. you know, when we see miss styles as car call, you know, that's the only we worry about. i guess this is what it was doing. so there is again, this, the dishonest of majors doing it's artificial lee. and when they were the russians done around the say, well, we don't like what you're doing. well, we're, we're defensive offensive. steven. those no evidences defense. we know, you know, maybe you can solve it. how does that defensive going to stop? how is that defensive and also georgia, you and i have talked about elsewhere. is that specifically about your brain?

nato membership is the key to you membership. that's the, it's always nato, 1st than the you and this is what is going on here. also, we're creating a slippery slope and moral hazard year because the lensky is getting more and more reckless with his actions and his language. and he's being encouraged by washington . well, the european members of nate know, are much more cautious. go ahead, finish office, go ahead. yeah, that's, that's exactly right. and that's why this became a moral, has lived when you have nato. and you have lloyd austin telling me, flat out on the road to nato is open for you. how, what are they gonna respond? it's up to us to start generating all kinds of crises. so washington and those around is that right? this nato is the solution to your problem. and this is why is the, you know,

they have the option that going to say, look, we're just saying out of this, it's up to you to have better relations with your neighbors. maybe not to do that. instead, nato is continually aggravating the problem by essentially promising a membership of nato and the you down the road and the same thing in georgia. and so it is, it is an absolute has a do well, peace, and what is happening is naples putting the sovereignty of ukraine and state. your general, i'm going to jump in here. i could go to a short break, and after that short break will continue our discussion on real mistake. oh, ah . oh seemed wrong, went on just a sheep out the scene to come to the african.

an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground. ah . so welcome to process all the inter considered. i'm funeral a bell. this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real news. ah okay, let's go back to george. um, i wanna tell my viewers here how we decide to do our, my topics on, on our bull horns edition here. um, and from the home edition,

and i always ask demo as demon georgia very often on what they would like to do. and they send me topics and what is a guys 99 percent of the time? i agree with you. so george, you wanted to talk about how to bishop george joe biden. is the floor is yours go well. 2 if you're around to be done by this whole thing during the election was that she was going to bring the country together off to the divisive trump and all the aggravation and all the tweeting and everything of trump. he buys the season legislative, the regular guy who works across the aisle. he's going to bring the country together. but in fact, he has done something very different. and he's also very unusual because he is very much a president with a tiny sliver of a majority in both houses and but instead of you an extra ordinarily

divisive agenda. and the rhetoric coming out of this administration is just an amazingly divisive is one that is actually setting americans against one and other ways that the well erupt into violence science. so just in the past week, during the, the 10 years memorization of the martin luther king statue, he talked about why supremacy as the braces, the threat to the united states of domestic terrorist threat to the united states. no evidence ball this. we have it justice department again this week said, well the big problem is the red line, a bodies which black us about do them because the racism are unable to get a loan from bank. i'm like white people. we have again, a lot of widen ranting and raving about be vaccinated and the right that they both

just to the vacillated diet house that these people, some is all extraordinary. i don't just generating as much hatred toward one another as possible. and it's kind of surprising because again, even obama, least of his 1st, who actually did have a banjo majority, i was very careful to avoid triggering conflict and he tried to be bothered all united by done any of that. so it's a, it's a mysterious agenda. you go wonder what, what's really behind this, but i think it's a very dangerous agenda because i think that behavior that is now being generated, which i think is also reflective. he's typing poll numbers, putting the, the rock into violence. you know, the interesting thing is, is the joe by person higher, you know, half century career and politics is never, we can, we should or anything. he just looks at where the wind is blowing here and,

but he's an administration listen hemsley ideological. so a kind of problem at georgia 7 think this is almost like the worst of all possible worlds because he's not really in id was he does mimicked and repeat ideological desktops. ok, but i me and i great, great, great terms of ease because there's no authenticity here. i mean, neither obviously talk and bumper stickers in the 1st part of the program. he's very much a bumper sticker president right now. and as george pointed out with the business, the margins, ok, there's hope to be another f, b r, another l b j. well, both that huge margin thing congress and the bike doesn't and we have a country spirally down. and i think because of beside the ology and the culture wars, i mean, you know, one thing that we've all noticed that you know, george and i and many pages. and that's kind of hard to dislike your bike. true any

more, it's very easy to like, it is because of this idea all, if you go ahead, well, it's exactly true what you just said and you know, when by them came to power, there was some hope you're rushing the so both expert circles by can is a service he's not ready to go. so soon relate to things. going to come down because use a center. well, sandra is inside at the site itself is inside a regular and your widget. now look nice people. i mean, most of the groups, it'll just be in the, in nazi germany. and julia are done by the centrist, you know, by people who just went with the flow and everything. so it was supposed to be done . you know, the banana weevil. so by the repeat these things that he actually doesn't believe in 20 years ago. so 2 years ago he said very different things right. about what he's a board sort of very risky, and i will see you this projects. i mean,

this green you deals. that's all what happens in europe. you know, i recently, germany prided to sell or get out of nuclear energy. bonds are shut down and fall into today will read in the side, which is the main, ga, german. and you can use an article by nissan to one says or stake we played the crowds. you know, the one thing you can do is to play into which as far as doing something that we should have kept. and you know, want to sell disposable one. the rush is called response, right? and we have the energy crisis out of the way with all russia, even though they know that they just have to register the most you to pipeline and the problem will be resolved, right? and the end, the, the rectory. so these, if you are up, so the right this variable for in the area, you'll find that you know, which is only comparable to jimmy conscious. you know, the cable flying down in the 1st months of your presence. and i think it is

explained to a certain extent barrio by, by these failed centuries centers incite radicalism. santian inside is not nice in georgia. you know, just, just in the parallel to the 1st part of our program is like, you know, we're talking about nato expansion. and, and then the blaming need to extension russia because rush is a threat. it ends up being this really weird logic. the same thing is happening with this administration with the american people. they are prodding more conservative people so intensely that they're demanding a reaction. and it's a c, c, c. how see how aggressive these people are. you see what i mean? i mean, when to, when they're there, they're projecting. i mean, they're actually doing what they say. everyone else is. go ahead. george. yes, yes, no question. and i think as a very good example, what you're saying is, what's being done now to the january, the people are the punishment and the humiliation that is being inflicted on them

to receive any kind of collection with crimes. alleged crimes if they had committed is all about teaching, southern people a lesson, you're like what we do see how you are treated. and you know, it's hard to take a page out of a book. i mean the most of the talks about the soviet experience and it's always what the bible people doing is not unlike well, the bolshevik said, some people, some groups of people are elevated, you know, they're special. everybody else is vermin. and whatever, we don't do them, they deserve it. so, you know, with the boss, because the proletariat. so here, if you're black, you're a person of color, asian american, then you know, you are, you are a victim, your sanctified, you know, do whatever you want. if you're a male again, you know, you forget it, you're out of here. so, so again,

last week in the, by the ministration coming out with a strategy to deal with gender equality and equity and all about how you know, women and girls are being persecuted discriminated against them. all. is that this the show? man, all boys are falling behind you all in the book that is in jobs. male suicide is on the rise. and yet, but i don't, i get to look at know about the only people that we should be concerned about is, are the women or girls that's, that's all. yeah. you know, you came across, but there was a gender person that lives as a, as a, as a woman. but this person was elevated and they're saying this is a victory for, for women. but i don't understand that it seems to be a defeat for women in my opinion. anyway, i'm not as well as other people. it's quite obvious here. ok d ma?

where does this go? because we were more and more. so when we gathered together, we are invoking the bolshevik experience, okay. and there will be any, was this the little pepper oven? and then we mentioned more parallels. and now it seems to be a direct reflection here. go ahead. well, i would say the cell phone abortion period in general, because ultimately, but it is now what is the 3rd for most of the day after now and borrow the features? is this constant threat, you know? oh, he said we're going to die. you don't expend all 11 how you know it turned out to be alive because after the war driven you brought. but my small with energy right. in the same way. all the plane, it's going to die. the climate is going to change dramatically unless we immediately immediately spend this $3500000.00

in europe. what's going on in europe? poland and hungary, a christian gate for, for not in the wide. and when the borders prime minister made a speech and the european parliament a few days ago, presenting his arguments, they were all refuted by for germany who just said, what you said, what you said makes you happy. you know, then yeah, give us just what you said makes you happy. that means you should stop and spoken to me. so unfortunately we're going down the road. there are threats, you know, i just or climate change, whatever. you know, if you can just drop it enough, there are people who are demonized like goldstein in the oils, nor will put you in the, in the western media know what she g p maybe tomorrow. busy right, so unfortunately, we have the same, same narratives repeated themselves. and i don't know where it will lead us. i can

only hope that it won't lead us to the same will last us that we, the humanity endure during the world war 2. and during the experiments, but it talks more and more like the fact of millions of people killed both 1st hundreds of thousands of people in iraq in the history and every pizza. so 100 percent. right. and george, i mean, when you, when you have you disregard the humanity of the people, you hate that it only sets up the beginning of a cascading disaster for 20 seconds to george, finish it up or exactly. and i think just to continue with the analogy of the fact that the record already the ground is being lazy. but if the vitamin station gets to be called in the next year, then the blame lies with always the old republican government, governor's legislatures that have changed the rules to prevent cheating. no,

they were denying the rights of the people to vote. and because though, is that it just be it in the election road or lead. okay, dental and that's what i want to make as in budapest and here in moscow and what they are watching is you've seen next time remember ah ah, with

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