soccer watch, kaiser ah, i'm action and see we're going underground on budget in london. coming up the show is boris johnson's. you can government and gaap, 26, leading the world to extinction. we ask an adviser on the environment to some of the world's largest companies, jonathan for it, and with the most significant multinational climate event in years. just days away . when a jo, enemies, russia and china said to be a no show all the small coming up in today's going underground at 1st is violence linked to u. k. arm sales and foreign policy continues to rock sudan, syria,

yemen and jerusalem. britain so called mainstream media laser focused more on this weekend glasgow cop 26 summit build is a chance, perhaps a lost chance to save humanity from climate catastrophe and join now by author activists in the diane of green politics in britain decades. jonathan pour it. thanks so much, johnson for coming on to extinction, rebellion saying nothing in the run up that resembles a compassionate functional response to the crisis. and we should expect catastrophic failure. and i don't know where to go means you mean you're going to amplify the distractions? is it, is that true events as usual, a bit over the top, catastrophic failure is not on the cards. the likelihood of it being a failure is still a very real possibility as far as johnson himself, as actually acknowledged. but the likelihood is they'll do the usual sort of law minute pulling the rabbits out of that story. so the press release is, can be written, telling us all at glasgow was a great success. it won't be

a great success because the gaps between what needs to be done and what is the moment likely to be done if the gaps are just too big. so it won't be a catastrophe, but it certainly isn't gonna get done. everything that needs to get done, we shouldn't be too surprised by argue, be alarmist league documents revealing lobbying by saudi arabia, australia, japan, and other countries to, to the i, p. c. c to, to water. now, recommendations for, for the close. we shouldn't be too worried about that. i mean, that happens every single time that the got mental panel comes up with a new record. it's part of the course. and it's actually, it's not that bad a part of the process because you've got the scientists actually engaging with the politicians. the scientists say to the politicians, every single time they push back, they say, sorry, we just deal with the science. it's up to you to sort of politics when you get together in glasgow wherever it might be. but nothing you're saying to us actually

undermines the science that we're giving you. it's very clear the process is really clear 1st. now i was suppose that i would be very surprised if governments like saudi arabia weren't making any sense of themselves, trying to chip away at scientific consensus. because the signing consensus is pretty devastating for countries like saudi arabia. yeah, politics following the silence, the science and what kind of what could go wrong? i think we heard that somewhere else. johnson declares that capitalism is the solution to the climate crisis. i know you said that over throwing capitalism it shouldn't be the the priority. i mean, how concerned should we be that microsoft, you leave it to g. s. k jaguar land rover there amongst the sponsors of cop 26. i don't think we should be too concerned the good thing this time around. and we've only just discovered that is that the u. k. government was sensible enough to say no to sponsorship from any of the major oil and gas companies in the big extracted

companies. so they drew a line, many of the companies that are sponsoring glasgow this time are seriously committed to getting their own emissions of greenhouse gases under control. they have ambitious targets. we're not going to do this without big multinational companies being part of the story. it's ridiculous to think that we could get there without that. so as long as the sponsors are, as it were, just players in the whole process for people who are completely shaping influencing or manipulating that process. i don't have an objection to that. it, when you get these dreadful double standards where the oil and gas companies are putting their logos up all over conference, this kind, then you begin to think the tests really just not acceptable. we can't be doing with that amount of cognitive dissonance in these are in these events, well used to work for me or talk to us before about a green washing. but on the other hand, if they don't put the corporate logos,

isn't it still important that fossil fuel companies, which is so powerful, are at least a big presence there. i mean, we would a similar where you normally said b, p, it doesn't currently fits are a success criteria for conf. 26. should they be somehow in there, these big evil multinational companies because they are shimmering. do you know where they will be in there for sure. i mean, they are following all of these things. the fact that your response or not response does not necessarily influence your presence at a conference of this kind. but we have to bear in mind these companies have failed . it's time after time after time. and right now very disturbing for a lot of people, companies like b, p and shell, they're still failing us. and they're still making really for actually dishonest commitments to i quote here, net 0 by 2050. how an oil and gas company that will still be seeking

to to strike huge volume, soil and gaskin ever be next 0 within the next. that he is, is honestly just ridiculous. so they, they are undermining the idea of net 0 even as they do that. and it is still pretty cynical play. well, they reject that charger dishonesty, and arguably it's up to government to force them given the a hidden subsidy for fossil fuel companies. high re with that. i couldn't agree with that more. and if government started to withdraw subsidies, we might get some rather different and possibly more honest position from the oil and gas companies that she just reminds what is the scale of the public money, effectively subsidizing fossil fuel companies in say, britain with us, it is, it's billions, every year i think the latest calculations was something like $11000000.00 a minute. this is what they did. they don't tend to quote that on the news you have

cause b, p has been doing other things, allegedly open democracy, revealing that debbie has been paying x m i 6 agents just spy on environmentalists . how dangerous is it for? the protest is greater thornburg extinction. rebellion they're going to be outside the, the cop $26.00 holes. and how dangerous is it for? environmentalists are protesting. i don't know whether you are on their radar or have been on the radar of oil companies as were firing mercenaries just by own you . who knows, i wish them well, it's at the point about most environmental activists is that we're completely transparent. what, what we do is no kind of secrecy in our dealings and deliberations. an idea that these big oil companies think they need i, a spooks, as it were, to keep us all under surveillance, is slightly ridiculous. i don't know, by the way whether that story is true or not, i simply have no idea. i can't really comment on that,

but most environmentalists are accustomed to a certain level of scrutiny and at different stage it's a certain level of surveillance which has been undoubtedly very intrusive and often quite frightening for a lot of environmental activists. so i don't want to make light of this, if you're in the front line and the security forces, or large multinational companies decide that you are target for their scrutiny, that's not a nice place to be for sure. and how geopolitical is the summit? obviously, media here centering on russia and china and they're evil of their fossil fuel emissions. are policies there was a by diversity covers the other, the other day in china called 15, prince charles, your old boss, we used to work group. he was speaking, they didn't even cover the conference here in britain. i don't know whether because even despite the edge of the throne making is this, are we going to hear a lot of cold war 2.0 call 26 to geo politics of these events is always right

up there. i mean that there's, you can't be naive about this tool. so the stand off going on at the moment between the u. s. and china over things like taiwan on the south, china sea, et cetera. it seems ridiculous that the climate change conference should be affected by that particular power play going on in global politics, but it will be and you can't take that out of the mix. it's just what it is. so the fact that president putin is not going to turn up for the conference is hardly surprising, given russia is one of the most intransigent hold out countries when it comes to a climate consensus. it's no question about that, but it is troublesome to the world as a whole because we can't get the breakthroughs we need without the family of nash coming together in a shared solidarity. it's impossible. so probably not a good time to be selling more ships to china's maritime borders. right now. you a, some british warships and whatever's happening in the don't bass worse. johnson's

government, i know, you said this is the bus and it's a quite an amazing record on renewables. he was talking about recycling not being that important via the other day seems more environmentally conscious than any prime minister in the, in memory. arguably. did you think now they'll have to stop the coal mine in cumbria, this mozambique cabin delgado, africa gas terminal. do you think they're really, really are quite serious. there's government about environmentalism, careful way would carry church. are you taking the lead on all of this? and thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to tell bar is just how stupid his comments about recycling plastic were yesterday or the day before he got that completely wrong. he gets a lot completely wrong, but that he got completely wrong. yes, we need to use less plastic, but we also need to see huge amounts of plastic being recycled in order to stop it,

getting into the environment, the marine environment, the landfill sites, cetera, et cetera. you see, he doesn't do his homework ever. he says, right, i was thinking form, i thought he was talking about the energy needed to recycle or something like that . and he came across and said recycling plastic is a waste of time and lots to little innocent children were sitting there listening to great by telling them that reciting plastic was a waste of time. he's a liability. now as regards the global south, already, the mean a lot of criticism about the fact that they haven't even organized the british got authorities, cove vaccinations for members of the global south. obviously masses of countries not able to come back because of code. what role do you think death cancellation for the global south should play in enabling environmental anti climate change policies? it's fair to say that these financial issues loom large, every single one of these big climate conferences. they, they never go away,

but they're particularly painful this time around, simply because the western countries haven't delivered on their 100000000000 dollar commitment, which was made back in 2009. and they're particularly painful this times. a lot of poor countries are beginning to see that the costs of climate change are ramping up all the time. and yet they don't have anything like the wherewithal, the means to address those costs and to invest in a low carbon transition of the kind of way getting used to in your america and elsewhere. so this is still going to be a big part of the conference. it will absolutely come up in the 1st couple of days and western government. and the you can particular which hasn't exactly covered itself in glory by taking the hatchet to its overseas a budget. western countries are gonna have to deal with this very sensitively and very intelligent because otherwise it will definitely influence the whole of the

rest of the conference. i was thinking more about the debt they're having to pay back. i mean, the aide budget never even a covered the amount of interest payments. these developing countries have to have that pay back. can you not see that even in 2021. a lot of the global south see this is an imperial imperial issue of countries that have a help destroy the climate, the most telling countries in it and the resources to somehow reduce growth and not doing it to liberate growth. they're doing to promote the kind of growth doesn't make the problem worse, but i don't want to take away from what you just said. many countries see this definitely as a failure to recognize historical injustice. rich world countries are primarily responsible for this crisis. and therefore, the steps that we take and the amount of money that we invest in it must be proportionate to historical responsibility. you can't get around that and to argue that isn't the case is ready. demeaning on the part of a lot of rich countries. slightly different issue about debt forgiveness. these 2

things are pursued through different diplomatic routes if you like, but they're all tied up when a lot of these countries see the way in which the financial system is still preference. seeing the interest of the rich world against their interests. and now they've got climate finance making things worse for them on top of all of the bar. thank you. thanks after the break. as you case military carrier strike force approaches. china does she jin ping have reason enough to boycott? got 26 in scotland. baltimore, can we help about 2 of going underground? does year a path to strategic vision for the future? what kind of relationship will it develop with china? europe stands at a crossroads will remain dependent on washington is

a junior partner or will europe opt to play the role of a great power on the world stage. with welcome back nature nation media is already attacking vladimir putin and she didn't ping of not coming to coopt ready. 6 or his british and us worship carrier strike forces get closer to china or join now from arlington, virginia by chance, while woo, the executive director of the professional association for china's environment. chung, well, thanks so much for coming on. yeah, barnes johnson, we're all celebrating here. in london, have britain on the world stage shine to help the environment. there was actually a different conference recently the cop 15 gorman's were prince charles surgeon being and now that improved him were at. and what was that for a view as you may not have heard about it,

because even prince charles speech at the conference, the cop 15 conference in china, wasn't covered here. arguably. thank you for having me. i think that just as you said, now it's called wendy. is the new k show. so back in 10 to 15 and that's a french show, right. so it was the empowers of course, there were local politics to deal politics involved. so i wouldn't be surprised why you probably didn't really pay attention, you know, back then. but other than that, i don't think it's a big deal, but it was about by diversity. right? oh, yes, i was interested more last week actually. so that was a union claiming china, so china psychiatrist and see of the by diversity conservation clinical 15 as it actually you can, chinese government has worked very closely with each other not just for diplomatic purpose, but more importantly because the 2 issues are so much connected to the back up by

scientific research that yes, on west side we do need to my to gate, you know, reduce a carbon emissions. but in the meantime, the roles of nature had been recognized more and more so if you look at the combinations globally, the ocean is in the land, lines and biomass. we pretty much of for the promotion for half of the mission. of course, the other half meant to be ended up in the atmosphere. so from that perspective, i definitely think u. k. china, the bilateral collaboration in terms of leading internationally of our mental motto, lateral governance. actually the he said to pudding sample. so now of course it back to the climate change issue was there the costs? so back in a thing called, i kid, you know, cop 21. and i think generally speaking, the global community succeeded with the support of the economist. they gave us a china, of course,

many european countries that had also been continuing naturally to play their role . so this was why a lot of people are just saying it will all talk no less than the queen of queen of england. what is the biodiversity fund? i mean, is that going? because there's very little publicity about that do? well, if you look at a comp 15, i was only completed, it requires the 1st part of it. of course of harmony was postponed to by cove it. and apparently also because of the complexity of really reaching a meaningful, international agreement. so we still are still looking for next may when the 2nd part is completed in planning. hopefully by then we'll be able to have something called a post, a 2020 global by diversity conservation of framework. that's gonna be they're going to be specific action as a target. the goal is including the financing vehicle with the mechanisms. so hopefully we'll be identified in that, of course,

on the basis or for some principles for a sense of the apathy she was a fairy, she was a city or safe or sustainable uses of by biological, you know, can i take resource and stuff like that? so we don't know yet i but somehow learning from the comics. pretty good parents agreement on the bike versus site from the from the commission perspective. definitely they realize will never without the financing, there's no way you're going to be able to deliver any your commitments or targets. so lucy, fingers crossed the see or we hear about is that china is the biggest polluter in the world. they don't use the per capita element of the, of the phrase. and it's not even the pre verification of she's in being overcoming to glass difficult. 26 of symptomatic of china's destruction of the global climate . what you think nato nation media may be getting the wrong end of the stick here? it's really unfortunate somehow, generally speaking,

there might be cases where cases, western commentators so media really will be able to present more protected picture by china. but generally speaking, this is really fortunate, but on the other side, let me know, few things to understand the role of china in the global climate change, you know, process 1st time that does help, there's sort of iconic making to break it. so yes, at this moment the china continues to be the were the largest and their tribe a year. and somehow china also holds this binding global curve sort of positioning, meaning china's action will form mentally, hopeless, accelerated on the be made by the curb. so bad since the global ambition to achieve negative carbon by around the made up thanks, rate will be delivered. secondly, if you look at the reality today, there's something interesting numbers actually. somehow west media cannot really pay much attention to. if you look at the last year and globally 60 percent of the

wind energy products and equipment provided by china, if you add solar and other renewable energy equipment facilities and products, china provides somewhere around the 70 percent of global need. if you look at the u . v, last year, china manufactured the half of the global electric vehicles. if you look at a battery, lithium ion battery, in particular, the fuel leading chinese companies about her companies, the little provided 70 percent a global need. if look, kind of smarter, greg, there's something called the super high voltage rate technologies just trying to put in some needy i'm only needing in terms develop, deploy, what does that tell you that housing basically in the let's see, the country is stepping forward very, very steadfastly. in terms of, you know, driving has all the information initialization, you know, let's re internalizing clean technologies there yet. clearly why daily tricity

needs a power and all we hear about in the, again, the aged asian meter is chinese opening loads of coal. let's get to some specific examples. his britain for us, johnson, and i think 5000 pound grants to change 90000 of you case 25000000 gas boilers. that's a big initiative here in britain. give us a taste of what kind of initiatives going on in china. yeah, i type the numbers in china and probably more and more impressive if you look at the installation of renewable energy chinese, are they medium globally? and so currently china has at that close to i think, 18 cos a $151.00, a 15 percent off the bill that china's energy structure already as possible. they were paid based. if you look at a consultation, china is moving very, very fast in terms of electrification. of transportation sector and also loads with solar panels on the top then plugged into the grid. i. yes, there are many,

many innovations. they are solutions that when point i, i do want to make what you connect to the point of the numbers i, if you can imagine such a scenario, the role of china, if all the capacities in terms of manufacturing take on innovation know deployment, you know, china you asked you, in particular, we like to say economies actually will be working together. we have a solution. we don't have to stop any where the se, debating band, who was she take? what share it comes to, how much to be do spike in a keep on the car gets there. there are solutions from technology perspective, from industrialization, perspective, but somehow we know very well politicians deal politics that 0 sum game or that sort of mine says, are standing in the way. that's not, i would seen a dual. and i mean, so do you think it's on surprising that she did bring would be reluctant to come to glasgow given britain is right now sailing. it's military, carry

a strike force to china. and so as the united states, i know you're an environmental expert. i don't know what the emissions must be for the pentagon. it's all secret via $400.00 military base is around china. as regards its impact on fossil fuel emissions. you think you'd be surprising if she didn't think did come to glasgow given the u. s. s. strike force and the british one that right now, sailing towards you don't. yeah. yeah, i side, i think it's, it's the army politicians that the, you know, geo politics or whatever i will see. and then that, so the only position i taking myself agents like to watch, ideally, of course, globally day. so we'll get together to hear that 2nd, like i do want to make, i think, when think positively coming from us. you know, congress, the federal congress at this moment, they are proposals on the table to really get, you know, a funding and their carbon emissions that could to get or not but pentagon behind it military faces around them. we don't know the numbers yet. elisa and somehow

recently through my rating, i see that on the table a somehow really, unfortunately, some countries have particular major economies around the world are really some how playlists that job. how politics is such a trex gains really distracting the global african ever to deliver the most important sort of goal in this is amanda for myself. i mean, i don't know whether you've mentioned i met with joe biden's climb at envoy john kerry, and we don't carry any kind of well yeah, i mean, so you take it very seriously. now he's, he's always he, one of the richest us politicians, married to a heinz, a heiress, but he took money in the past from airline and automotive companies for his and climb up the ladder. he's a supported was, i mean, would it be missile strikes on syria and he talks to you about the environment and you go right john gary, are a great climate over. i mean, how can anyone take him sir?

is taken very seriously. honestly. i know, fortunately, i met him couple, few times. so i think, you know, this is more company kate than, than just commenting on it. if you do need to post these, you know, your work. so into the closing position here, who is a very important position and the have to definitely working really hard traveling around the world. and i think he's taken long. there's a sort of a role supporting of course you keep prices on west side. in the meantime, me particularly to persuade to china and other countries. ashley to john was my number to be on board to support. i don't know whatever his definition of being on board china has been on board from the beginning anyway in the week. i mean by john kerry on i'm just going to find me, ask you what is funded mentally the difference between a chinese communist approach to combating climate change and a capitalist one. by some more company, kate, i don't think they're just implemented they're, it's hard to say which of political systems, whatever works,

the best we need to see the outcome right from me. i don't care about ideology or political system, whatever, from climate change perspective, as all the people as well be you know, perspective as so long as they will be able to deliver the outcome, a west side to benefit the people in the planets. that's the most important criteria. when you talk about the which system is there part of the strand which has already demonstrated again, again, unified in china by china. it's this is sort of a capability of uniting or forces within the country or the public private and suffice around the one particular priority. a national agenda and now with the government of committing to 2030 caps before. you know, kathy, i mentioned before 2030 and she didn't cover and was trying to see people at this moment. the country, the whole country is the live tripping united and with the advocate actions on the ground could always not enough. of course, no one is still up honestly, in

a meeting going to the company, say, whatever you say, whatever the commandments countries already put on the table cord and b c's. no one, not a single one of them actually is the price in terms of radiate. you know, cheating, the 1.5 degree warming goes that china is no exception or somehow knowing what can i stream by knowing the strengths, even they tighten united to so the stances and efforts and commitments, i feel more confident that china will definitely band a curve globally, to address climate change issues. some countries will say they're abiding by the targets chung low. thank you. thank you. that's 7 sure. i will be back on saturday . a day before op. 26 in the 1st day of the annual g. 20 summit. osha by italy, the subject of covert cia operation. glad to neutralize socialism in europe until then. keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think china and russia should attend called to anything.

so you see this statistic that 90 percent of the world to sell by 10 percent of the population and they added trillions of dollars to their network. since the pandemic, one would look out onto the american landscape and look at all the wonderful innovation, these folks have brought people to their lives. oh wait, hold on. life expectancy is down. infant mortality is up wasn't income gap isn't widening. jeannie coefficient looks terrible. death of despair are exploding. so i think it's natural to conclude that all this money printing is not feeding amera talk or see is back that speeding attack a stock receipt rule by the least qualified the

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