[000:00:00;00] ah, i mentioned it and see we're going underground on budget in london. coming up with a show is boris johnson's. you can government and gaap, 26, leading the well to extinction. we ask an adviser on the environment to some of the world's largest companies, jonathan for it, and with the most significant multinational climate event in years. just days away . when nato enemies, russia and china set to be a no show, all the small coming up in today's going underground with 1st is violence linked to u. k. arm sales and foreign policy continues to rock sudan, syria, yemen and jerusalem. britain so called mainstream media laser focused more on this weekend glasgow gaap 26 summit billed is a chance to last chance to save humanity from climate catastrophe. i'm joined now by author activists in the diane of green politics in britain with decades.

jonathan port, thanks so much. johnson for coming on to extinction. rebellion saying nothing in the run up that resembles a compassionate functional response to the crisis. and we should expect catastrophic failure. and i don't know whether to go mainstream media can amplify. the distractions is it, is that true events as usual, a bit over the top, catastrophic failure is not on the cards. the likelihood of it being a failure is still a very real possibility, as far as johnson himself, as actually acknowledged. but the likelihood is they'll do the usual sort of law minute pulling the rabbit out of the hat story. so the press where he says can be written, telling us all at glasgow is a great success. it won't be a great success because the gaps between what needs to be done and what is a moment likely to be done if the gaps are just too big. so it won't be a catastrophe,

but it certainly isn't gonna get done. that needs to get done. so we shouldn't be too surprised by argue, be alarmist league documents revealing lobbying by saudi arabia, australia, japan, and other countries to, to the i, p. c. c, to, to water. now, recommendations for, for the close. we shouldn't be too worried about that. i mean, that happens every single time that the got mental panel comes up with a new record. it's part of the course. and it's actually, it's not that bad a part of the process because you've got the scientists actually engaging with the politicians. the scientists say the politicians, every single time they push back, they say, sorry, we just deal with the science. it's up to you to sort of politics when you get together in glasgow wherever it might be. but nothing you're saying to us actually undermines the science that we're giving you. it's very clear the process is really clear 1st. now i was suppose that i would be very surprised if governments like saudi arabia weren't making any sense of themselves,

trying to chip away at scientific consensus. because the signing consensus is pretty devastating for countries like saudi arabia. yeah, politics following the silence, the science and what kind of what could go wrong? i think we heard that somewhere else. johnson declares that capitalism is the solution to the climate crisis. i know you said that over throwing capitalism it shouldn't be the the priority. i mean, how concerned should we be that microsoft, you need a g, g s k jaguar land rover there amongst the sponsors of cop 26? i don't think we should be too concerned the good thing this time around. and we've only just discovered that is that the u. k. government was sensible enough to say no to sponsorship from any of the major oil and gas companies in the big extracted companies. so they drew a line, many of the companies that are sponsoring glasgow this time are seriously committed

to getting their own emissions of greenhouse gases under control. they haven't targets, we're not going to do this without big multinational companies being part of the story. it's ridiculous to think we could get there without that. so as long as the sponsors are, as it were, just players in the whole process. and people who are completely shaping influencing or manipulating that process. i don't have an objection to that. it, when you get these dreadful double standards where the oil and gas companies are putting their blow goes up all over conference, this kind, then you begin to think the test really just not acceptable. we can't be doing with that amount of cognitive dissonance in these, in these events, well used to work for me or talk to us before about a green washing. but on the other hand, if they don't put the corporate logos, isn't it still important, that fossil fuel companies, which is so powerful, are at least a big presence there. i mean,

would the civil go where you normally said b, p it doesn't currently fits are a success criteria for conf. 26. should they be somehow in their, these big evil multinational companies? because they are similar. i wouldn't do you know, way they will be in there for sure. i mean, they are following all of these things. the fact that your response or not response does not necessarily influence your presence at a conference of this kind. but we have to bear in mind these companies have failed . it's time after time after time. and right now very disturbing for a lot of people, companies like b, p and shell, they're still failing us. and they're still making really for actually dishonest commitments to i quote here. net 0 by 2050. how an oil and gas company that will still be seeking to to extract huge volumes of wine and gas can ever be next 0. within the next 30 years is honestly just ridiculous. so they,

they are undermining the idea of net 0 even as they do that. and it is still pretty cynical play. well, they reject that charger dishonesty, and arguably it's up to government to force them, given the hidden subsidies for fossil fuel companies, high re with that. i couldn't agree with that more. and if government started to withdraw subsidies, we might get some rather different, possibly be more honest position from the oil and gas companies. i should just remind is, what is the scale of the public money effectively subsidizing fossil fuel companies? in same britain with us, it is, it's billions every year. i think the latest calculations was something like $11000000.00 a minute. this is what they did. they don't tend to quote that on the news b, you of course b, p has been doing other things, allegedly open democracy, revealing that debbie has been paying x m i 6 agents just spy on environmentalists . how dangerous is it for?

the protest is greater thornburg extinction, rebellion they're going to be outside the, the cop $26.00 holes. and how dangerous is it for? environmentalists are protesting. i don't know whether you are on their radar or have been on the radar of a oil companies as were firing mercenaries just by own you. who knows. i wish them well. it's at the point about most environmental activists is that we're completely transparent. what we do is no kind of secrecy in our dealings and deliberations. an idea that these big oil companies think they need i, a spooks, as it were, to keep us all under surveillance, is slightly ridiculous. i don't know by the way whether that story is true or not, i simply have no idea. i can't really comment on that. but most environmentalists are accustomed to a certain level of scrutiny and at different stage it's a certain level of surveillance which has been undoubtedly very intrusive and often quite frightening for

a lot of environmental activists. so i don't want to make light of this. if you're in the front line and the security forces, or large multinational companies decide that you are target for their scrutiny, that's not a nice place to be for sure. and how geopolitical is the summit? obviously, media here centering on russia and china, and they're evil of their fossil fuel emissions. a policies there was a by diversity covers the other the other day in china called 15 prince charles, your old boss, you are used to work group. he was speaking, they didn't even cover the conference here in britain. i don't know whether because even despite the edge of the throne speaking, is this, are we going to hear a lot of cold war? 2.0 call 26 geo politics of these events is always right up there. i mean that there's, you can't be naive about this tool. so the stand off going on at the moment between the u. s. and china, over things like taiwan on the south, china sea,

et cetera. it seems ridiculous that the climate change conference should be affected by that particular power play going on in global politics, but it will be, and you can't take that out of the mix. it's just what it is. so the fact that president putin is not going to turn up for the conference is hardly surprising, given russia is one of the most intransigent hold out countries when it comes to a climate consensus. it's no question about that, but it is troublesome to the world as a whole because we can't get the breakthroughs we need without the family of nash coming together in a shared solidarity. it's impossible. so probably not a good time to be sailing more ships to china's maritime borders. right now. you a, some british warships and whatever's happening in the don't bass worse. johnson government. i know you said this is the bus and it's quite an amazing record on renewables. he was talking about recycling not being that important via the other

day seems more environmentally conscious than any prime minister in the, in memory. arguably. did you think now they'll have to stop the coal mine in cumbria, this mozambique cabin delgado, africa gas terminal. do you think they're really, really, are quite serious. there's government about environmentalism, careful. yeah. they are getting more serious because the pressure is building all the time. public expectations building all the time. you look at the surveys. clearly people want politicians to do more. but boris is such a kind of way would character to be taking the lead on all of this and thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to tell bar is just how stupid his comments about recycling plastic were yesterday or the day before he got that completely wrong, he gets a lot completely wrong, but that he got completely wrong. yes,

we need to use less per plastic. but we also need to see here to match the plastic being recycled in order to stock it getting into the environment, the marine environment, the landfill sites, cetera, et cetera. you see, he doesn't do his homework ever. he says, right, i was thinking form, i thought he was talking about the energy needed to recycle or something like that . and he came across and said recycling plastic is a waste of time. and lots to little innocent children were sitting there listening to great man telling them that recycle plastic was a waste of time. he's a liability. now as regards the global south already to mean a lot of criticism about the fact that they haven't even organ is a bridge. gov authorities, coven vaccinations for members of the global south. obviously, masses of countries not able to come back because of code. what role do you think the death cancellation for the global south should play in enabling environmental anti climate change policies? it's fair to say that these financial issues loom large,

every single one of these big climate conferences. they, they never go away, but they're particularly painful. this time around, simply because the western countries haven't delivered on their 100000000000 dollar commitment, which was made back in 2009. and they're particularly painful. this is a lot of poor countries are beginning to see that the cost of climate change ramping up all the time. and yet they don't have anything like the where with all the means to address those costs and to invest in a low carbon transition of the kind of way getting used to in your america now slash. so this is still going to be a big part of the conference. it will absolutely come up in the 1st couple of days and western government and the you can particular which hasn't exactly covered itself in glory by taking the hatchet to its overseas a budget. western countries are gonna have to deal with this very sensitively and

very intelligent because otherwise it will definitely influence the whole of the rest of the conference. i was thinking more about the debt they're having to pay back. i mean, the aide budget never even the covered the amount of interest payments. these developing countries have to have that payback can you don't see that even in 2021 a lot of the global south see this is an imperial imperial issue of countries that have held destroy the climate the most telling countries that have the resources to somehow reduce growth and not doing it to liberate growth, they're doing to promote the kind of growth doesn't make the problem worse, but i don't want to take away from what you just said. many countries see this definitely as a failure to recognize historical injustice. rich world countries are primarily responsible for this crisis. and therefore, the steps that we take and the amount of money that we invest in it must be proportionate to historical responsibility. you can't get around that and to argue that isn't the case is ready, demeaning, on the part of

a lot of rich countries. slightly different issue about debt forgiveness. these 2 things are pursued through different diplomatic routes if you like, but they're all tied up when a lot of these countries see the way in which the financial system is still preferences, the interest of the rich world against their interests. and now they've got climate finance making things worse for them on top of all of the bar. thank you. thanks after the break. as you case military carrier strike course approaches. china does she jin thing have reason enough to boycott? got 26 in scotland. all of them all coming up about 2 of going undergrad. ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. i'll be speaking the guess of the

world politics. sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm hm. mm. welcome back. nature nation media is already attacking vladimir putin and she didn't ping of not coming to court ready. 6 of his british and us worship carrier strike forces get closer to china or join now from arlington, virginia by chance, while woo, the executive director of the professional association for china's environment. chung, well, thanks so much for coming on. yeah, barnes johnson, we're all celebrating here. in london, have britain on the world stage shine to help the environment. there was actually a different conference recently. the cop 15 gorman's were prince charles surgeon, being under. now let me put him, we're at and what was that for a view as you may not have heard about it, because even prince charles speech at the conference in co,

15 conference in china wasn't covered here. arguably. thank you for having me. i think that just as you said, now it's called wendy. is the new k show. so back in 10 to 15 and that's a french show, right. so it was in paris and of course there were local politics, so geo politics involved. so i wouldn't be surprised why you probably didn't really pay attention, you know, back then. but other than that, i don't think it's a big deal, but it was about by diversity. right? oh, yes, i was interested more last week actually. so that was coming tyna. so china surprises nancy of the by diversity conservation clinical 15 as a new that's actually you can trying to come in to work very closely with each other. not just for diplomatic purpose, but more importantly because the 2 issues are so much connected to the back up by

scientific research that yes, on west side, we do need to my to gate, you know, reduce a carbon emissions. but in the meantime, the roles of nature had been recognized more and more so if you look at the combinations globally, the ocean is in the land, lines and biomass. we pretty much for the promotion for half of the mission. of course, the other half meant to be ended up in the atmosphere. so from that perspective, i definitely think you k china, the bilateral collaboration in terms of leading internationally of our mental motto, lateral governance. actually the he said good example. so now of course back to the climate change issue was there the costs? so back in $21521.00. and i think generally speaking, the global community succeeded with the support of the economies. they gave us a china, of course,

many european countries that had also been continuing actually to play their role. so this was why a lot of people are just saying it will all talk no less than the queen of green of england. what is the biodiversity fund? is that gonna be because there's very little publicity about that too? well, if you look at a cub 15, i was only competed, it requires the 1st part of it, of course of harmony was postponed to by cove it. and apparently also because of the complexity of really reaching a meaningful, international agreement. so we still are still looking for next may will. the 2nd part is completed in planning. hopefully by then we'll be able to have something called a post, a 2020 global by diversity conservation framework back gonna be there, going to be specific action as a target to go with including the financing vehicle with a mechanism. so hopefully we'll be identified in that, of course,

on the basis or for some principles for a sense that the amputee, she was a fairy, she was a city or safe or sustainable uses of by biological, you know, can i take resource and stuff like that? so we don't know yet i but somehow learning from the comics. pretty good parents agreement on the bike. this is his site from the from the commission perspective. definitely they realize will never without the financing, there's no way you're going to be able to deliver amy amendments or targets. so we'll see fingers crossed. the see, all we hear about is that china is the biggest polluter in the world. they don't use the per capita element of the, of the phrase. and it's even the pre verification of she's in being overcoming to glass difficult. 26 of symptomatic of china's destruction of the global climate. what you think nato nation media may be getting the wrong end of the stick here? it's really unfortunate somehow, generally speaking, there might be cases where cases,

western commentators so media really would be able to present more protected picture by china. but generally speaking, this is really fortunate, but on the other side, let me know, few things to understand the role of china in the global climate change, you know, process 1st, china does have the sort of iconic making to break it. so yes, at this moment the china continues to be the war, the largest and their tribe a year. and somehow china also holds this binding global curve sort of positioning, meaning china's action on the mantel, the hopeless accelerated on the be made by the curb. so bad since the global ambition to achieve negative carbon by around the made up thanks, rate will be delivered. secondly, if you look at the reality today, there's something interesting numbers actually. somehow west media cannot really

pay much attention to. if you look at the last year and the globally 60 percent of the wind energy products and equipment provided by china, if you add solar and other renewable energy equipment facilities and products, china provides somewhere around the 70 percent of global need. if you look at u v, last year, china manufactured to half of the global electric vehicles. if you look at a battery, lithium ion battery, in particular, the fuel needing chinese companies about her companies that are provided 70 percent a global need, you know, kind of smarter. greg. there's something called a super high voltage break technologies just trying to put in some needy i'm only needing in terms develop, deploy. so what does that tell you that housing basically the, let's see, the country is stepping forward. very, very steadfastly in terms of, you know, driving has all the information initialization, you know, that's radiant as a lazy and clean technologies there yet clearly why daily tricity needs

a power and all we hear about in the, again, the aged asian meter is, john is opening loads of coal, let's get to some specific examples. his britain for us, johnson, and i think 5000 pound grants to change. 90000 of you case 25000000 gas boilers. that's a big initiative here in britain. give us a taste of what kind of initiatives going on in china. yes, a title, the numbers in china and probably more and more in price it, if you look at the installation of renewable energy chinese, are they medium globally? and so currently china has at that close to, i think, 18 co, $151.00, a 15 percent off the bill that china's energy structure already is possible. they were paid based. if you look at a consultation, but china is moving very, very fast in terms the electrification of a transportation sector and also loads with solar panels on the top, then plugged into the grid. i. yes, there are many,

many innovations. they are solutions that when point i do want to make what you connect to the point that the numbers i, if you can imagine such a scenario. the role of china is all the capacities in terms of manufacturing take on innovation, no deployment, you know, china, you, as you, in particular, we like to say economy actually would be working together. we have a solution. we don't have the struggling where the se, debating the band, who was she take? what sharing from so how much to reduce bite in the keep on the car gets there. there are solutions from technology perspective, from industrialization, perspective. but somehow we know very well. politicians deal politics that 0 sum game or that sort of mine says are standing in the way. that's not. i would seen a dual. and i mean, should you think it's on surprising that she did bring would be reluctant to come to glass. you're given britain is right now sailing. it's military, carry

a strike force to china. and so as the united states, i know you're an environmental expert. i don't know what the emissions must be for the pentagon. it's all secret via $400.00 military base is around china as regards its impact on fossil fuel emissions. you think you'd be surprising if she didn't think did come to glasgow given the u. s. s strike force and the british one that right now, sailing towards you don't. yeah. yeah, i side, i think it's, it's the army. politicians is the, you know, geo politics or whatever i will see. and then that, so the only position i picked my son say, just like to watch ideally of course, globally day. so we'll get together to hear that 2nd, like i do want to make, i think, when think positively coming from us. you know, congress, the federal congress at this moment, they are proposals on the table to really, you know, to a funding and their carbon emissions that could you get or not, but pentagon behind it military faces around them. we don't know the numbers yet.

elisa and somehow recently to my rating, i see that on the table a somehow really, unfortunately, some countries have particular major economies around the world are really some how playlists that job. how politics is such a trex gains really distracting the global african ever to deliver the most important sort of goal? you know, this is a bunch of, i don't. i mean, i don't know whether you've mentioned i met with joe biden's climb at envoy john kerry. and we don't carry any kind of, well yeah, i mean, so you take it very seriously. now he's, he's always he, one of the richest us politicians, married to a heinz, a heiress. but he took money in the past from airline and automotive companies for his and climb up the ladder. he's a supported was, i mean, would it be missile strikes on syria and he talks to you about the environment and you go right john gary, are a great climate over. i mean, how can anyone take him sir?

is taken very seriously. honestly. i know, fortunately, i met him a few times, so i think, you know, this is more company kate than, than just commenting on it. you do need to put your d, you know, your work into the position here who is a very important position and the have to definitely working really hard traveling around the world. and i think he's taken long. this is sort of a role supporting. of course you keep prices on west side in the meantime, me particularly to persuade to china and other countries. ashley to john was planning to be on board to support. i don't know whatever his definition of being on board china has been on board from the beginning anyway in the week. i mean by john kerry on i'm just going to find the ask you what is fundamentally the difference between a chinese communist approach to combating climate change and a capitalist one bus or more company. kate, i don't think they're just implemented they're, it's hard to say which of political systems, whatever works the best we need to see the outcome right. for me,

i don't care about ideology or political system, whatever, from climate change perspective, as all the people as well be you know, and perspective as long as they will be able to deliver the outcome, a west side to benefit the people in the planets. that's the most important criteria. when you talk about the which system is there part of the strand which has already demonstrated again, again, unified in china by china. if this is sort of a capability of uniting or forces within the country or the public private and this if i see around the one particular priority, a national agenda and now with the government, the commission to 2030 caps before. you know, kathy, i mentioned before 2030 and she didn't cover and was trying to see people at this moment. the country, the whole country is the live tripping united and with the advocate of actions on the ground could always not enough. of course, no one is doing honestly illegally into the company's sake, whatever you say,

whatever the commitments countries already put on the table cord and b c's. no one, not a single one of them actually is the price in terms of radiate, you know, cheating the 1.5 degree in a warming ghost that china is no exception, as somehow by knowing what china is doing by knowing the, this sort of strengths, even the night to the so the stance is the i'm efforts and commitments. i feel more confident that china will definitely bend the curve globally to address climate change issues. some countries will say they're abiding by the target strong low. thank you. thank you. that's 7 sure. we'll be back on saturday a day before 1226 in the 1st day of the annual g. 20 summit. osha by italy, the subject of covert cia operation. glad to neutralize socialism in europe until then. keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think china and russia should attempt to anything

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