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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . what explained show biden's sudden drop in the poles as a candidate, he promised to return to some form of normality. however, his current standing with the public is anything but is his agenda the problem? maybe he's not as likable as he once seemed. he is in trouble and so is this party i cro sucking biden's poll numbers. i'm joined by my guess ed martin in washington. he is president of the national conservative organization, phyllis shapley eagles, as well as co author of the conservative case for trump in las vegas. we have laura think she is founder and ceo, bramble communications, and democratic strategist. and in gainesville, we cross to richard barras. he is director of big data poll,

right cossack rolls in effect, that means he can jump anytime you want. now i always appreciate richard, let me go to you because you're a pollster. can you explain to our audience very briefly? what in the world is going on? because i'm calling this program sudden poll deaf because that's what it looks like . go ahead, richard. i mean, generally speaking, you know, peter, joe biden does not have something that boles brock obama and donald j. trump pad, which were a base of support that loved both of these men. and it was very difficult for their poll numbers to really take a dive because there was always a group that very much supported them. george w bush at it was evangelicals. he didn't lose them until the 2nd term with the recession in the war right now. joe biden just didn't have that strongly approved base of support. you know, we're seeing the bottom fall out and it really is coming from independence democrats. they show some leakage, but it's independence and it's a 3rd party voters that generally most people think put him over in those battleground states. okay, laura react to what richard just said, there's,

i'd sure. do you agree with that? go ahead. well, i think we have to look at when the whole numbers started declining because there's no arguing that they are, they are runny parallel to how americans feel about the economy. is started with sort of the summer and sadness surge of the delta barrier. and even though we see since 2019 soc, portfolios with the s and p 500 up 30 percent, whom values are, are, and most american households are doing better than they did prior to the pandemic. here is this feeling how they're going and seeing the price of milk and the price of gas that things are going as well. i think as you start to see an inflation some side, the supply chain problems there you're going to start to see that perception of the economy get a little bit better. and joe biden approval rating will improve as a result. and we do see 65 percent ad robin unemployment since with the american rescue plan with the vaccines getting distributed, renowned about this is out of line with how americans are feeling again,

because of those data g cost. but i think as this is side, you're going to see joe, right, in whole numbers rise again. and then again, obviously if he passes that infrastructure here, bill will be doing better as well. ok, let me go ahead and watch it. ok. it could be all about the economy, but it is it about, is it about the person as well because of the some holes i've been looking at over the last few months. the trust question. he's taking a hit there. do you trust the president? ok. and that is a very general to, however you want to interpret. trust here is how much of it is it about the man himself? go ahead. well, i look, i think it's all about the man and look at we talked about brock obama. donald trump, i mean these 2, brock obama was short of a legislator, but mostly was a guy and ambitious politician. donald trump, a business man, you know, look job, and as a senator, what have canister happened. he went to a senate hideaway camp david, and that's what senators do. if you're sen, no one can tell you. look,

jo mansion is living this cinema. kristen cinemas living this. no one can tell you what to do, how to vote, where to show who to talk to nothing. and joe biden just is doing whatever he wants and he's failing at afghanistan to disaster the borders of disaster. yesterday. we have an excuse me not yesterday, late. earlier this week, we have a document put out a national gender strategy. look, it may, that may please some people in the, in the ivory tower and the activist camp. but the reality is the american people are looking up and they're saying we've got inflation, gas prices up, the border is, you know, a poor roast. we've got a drug problem. people are dying from fennel and joe biden is incapable of being in charge. i'm not all this policies are not as unpopular as he is. he looks absolutely weak. he looks like he can't get his arms around. think he does town halls with anderson cooper and he says, freedom. come on, man. freedom. everybody is scared. a coven. if they say they're not, they're lion, and we haven't figured out, we have a guy that's kind of just mocking half the country, so it's not going to get back if the economy gets better. right now,

i'm in the commonwealth of virginia. in about 4 days. we're going to see the terry, mcauliffe i joe biden, look alike and insider forever. is going to lose for governor, looks like. and that, that point, all biden's priorities are out the window and we're just, you know, on the nursing ourselves towards the 2022 elections. ok laura, because you're the, you're the odd man out on the panel. so i'm going to go back to laura, go ahead in las vegas we can, i think my colleague needs to put his arms. * down for a minute, he's gone from talking about reality to talking about cheerleading for what, what he may want. now the reality is biting school numbers really solid right up until the beginning of summer, people approved and trusted him because of his actions on the can demo. the environmental are what have changed primarily and they are you. otherwise, you wouldn't be attracting directly with how americans feel about your problem. now, as it is true, independence are weakening, and even you often saw support from democrats all,

and that changes with the passage of infrastructure. both one of them has only bipartisan something that he promised on the campaign trail he has to deliver and he will deliver as we'll see, coming up in the week or 2 ahead of those. those are progressing nicely. and the other thing is we've been talking about the sausage, which also doesn't help because we're not talking about those popular issues like child care and elder care help for parents. i infrastructure rebuilding her words. that's where we see right now. and i change all of those things are going to help my phone numbers and you democrats, something to talk about right now. republicans want to defend the wealthy, and they want to hear from having taxes raise and you know what across the board, even a mother own below and cinema still. i say peter connected with us can talk about all that. everybody thought ok, hold on. let me go to richard here. yes. laura, laura, you saw you said

a lot. laura led richard react. ok. ok. i didn't yet. i would a let laura finish your thought. ah, you know good young it did. it would have sounded like a it until then. honestly, it did sound a bit like a wish list and i'd really like to just get back to the numbers. we've been tracking javan. and since he was inaugurated and what was said before about having solid numbers was we call them artificial. his approval rating basically was artificial. he came in with high numbers based on artificial june that he, it was driven by co approval. it was not driven by high marks, generally across the board on other issues. he in 9 months of tracking and he never scored high marks on other issue. he came in on what was said that he knew it was, it was of omaha. 7 subleasing went, richard take, let richards me go. hello. we predicted this for 6 months out. once his coven approval started the fall, it was going to drag down the rest of his overall approval. because generally,

people were telling us they approve generally of the job. he was doing because of coven on no other issue from foreign policy to the economy, the immigration, from health care crime, public safety, nothing. did he ever score high marks, especially not for an a, not a newly inaugurated president. he made an impossible to keep campaign promise, which was to get a pandemic in order better than the prior president. and once that did not happen, he began to fall before you understand, i need to make this clear. and he began to form a for afghanistan and a registered voter economic competence index is at the lowest level. it has ever been. and i'll end with this that what is important to note about that is that people post shut down and pre a biden taking the oath of office. they were optimistic that the economy was going to rebound. we do the 6 month outlook, and now we're, we're 6 months, 8 months, 9 months down the road and it didn't happen. so we have to keep in touch, you know,

a little bit. we can some, a legislative achieving home health. i'm a little bit by that happening, but peter, by that i missed that wanted lawrence, i, i 5 percent. it's now 5 percent like i'm just wondering at, you know, nobody cares. you know, let's not people there. people didn't fall for methodological gimmicks. people didn't fall for the methodological gimmicks at the bureau of labor statistics under brock obama. either. that's why we got donald trump for jobs. laura. nice guy richard. lori, hang on. we have a 3rd guess that his name is ed way ahead. well, let me say peer, i mean look i, if i can just make a short list a litany of biden's failures. even the obama ethics are says that $1100.00 button is due and shelling his finger page is wrong. we now know that the 100 by laptop was true and it was hidden by big tech. a lot of independents are looking up and saying, what is all this lying?

we're getting foul. she has been shown to say one thing, one day. another thing are they, i'm not saying it's all his fault. i'm saying this is the reality. gas prices are through the roof on the policy based on the but wait a 2nd based on the policies abide and why didn't couldn't figure out how to get out of afghanistan. and we was 13 men and women there at the end. it's just a litany. you can say you want, and by the way, his great bipartisan dad, it's not passing nothing. he said he was going to do is doing what is he doing? susan rice and lisa monica, a rolling out a gender strategy and hoping that we can have our passports with x is going to mail a hang on everybody knew this was going to be a bit rockers here. laura, it's your turn. go ahead and talk about the gender strategy for a minute. we see a she's passionate women on the sidelines. why? because of the lack of access to child care, even women do not read. so in the economy, the economy did not write biting, has

a plan for that, and to speak to the fact that you're calling with one moment please. you're reading the i'm buying strategy, he's already gotten a bipartisan infrastructure. you'll pass the senate something all you all said that he couldn't do. and now he and nancy leslie are in the process of delivering, in partnership with conservative democrats, joe mansion and kristen cinema. and that's going to give them something to talk all through the midterms. i think what you're not hearing from my friends here in the weaknesses of the republican party when you call on republicans. they say they are the defenders of wealthy and obstructionists to anything by who wants to do if i'm start having a conversation about those issues and get some stuff done on the legislative front . that's where the company is going to be during the midterm. and republicans are going to have to work, you know, to the fact that all right, i got a job in here. we have to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on biden's fall numbers. stay with our team.

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a track record matter. so we were the odd men out bold time, took a lot of heat for it, but you know, the pulling industry, no doubt, heaters had a lot of challenges. you know, we try to be a voice in that conversation about how to make things better. unfortunately, or fortunately, we're making some headway but not, not enough, but i think that overtime it's a brave new world out there. there are different ways to reach different people. and the, you know, i get, my hope is, will catch up. but in the end, all i can see for myself is i did it. okay. good or ed? let me go back to you. i mean, it was, it's already been alluded to in the program here. i know that there was a perception that joe, is this good old guy from delaware, you know, but you know, he's been around for, you know, a couple 100 years in the senate. you know, a nice guy, bipartisan guy. but i mean, is that the perception, a lot of people have of them now because he is very hectoring. he's losing patience with the the electorate here. i mean, he,

his tone is very different than other presidents. he doesn't have a lot of patients. it appears, okay, i don't know if that's a function of his age, his temperament and all that. but it's a different but it's, it's hang on, hang on, i'm going to add here me that we were seeing somebody a little bit different than what we were sold. go ahead. yeah, i mean, 3 quick observations on that. number one i, i do thank you to, to give him some credit. i'm not sure how any president is going to ever be a, to turn president in this world. we live in because the intensity of the coverage, the, the way it works out, and i don't think bite was cut out for this moment. you know, trump was whether you liked him or not. he was fast into the social media and all that. so i think that's one this event, the 2nd one which will make laura's head explode, but no one is willing to say it and i will, he's clearly mentally not able to do this job. i mean, my wife is a geriatric physician and one of the things you get as people deteriorate in the end of their life is these 1st of anger, the way he acts is not. he watched him on the anderson, cooper, town hall, the and you go back and look for the video 5 years ago. it's obvious deterioration

. i'm not blaming him. i'm saying a 78 year old man in this kind of intense job. it's, it's harder to do the 55 year old men get gray. and remember george, w and obama. how different they look. last observation on polling versus what i call trolling i staff a booth at the my farmer's market near my house every saturday morning for 4 hours . the republican party in fairfax county, virginia commonwealth. and over the last about 6 weeks, we've seen we have an election next week and next week and in the commonwealth of virginia for governor. but the intensity when the number of people that are talking about how badly biden and the democrats are doing, it's just ticked up now to republican 10, but it's northern virginia, and a lot of the republican tent people would tell me they hated trump and all that so, but a, if you're just feeling a very different thing than we felt before, and i think again to richard's point, forget about the hardcore democrats and harker. republicans not going anywhere. the rest of the country, the whatever that number is. they're looking up and seeing this president is an up for the job. the vice president is not up for the job and the country,

the basics. i didn't even get to my list, the supply chain. we can't get b p boat a judge to get the supply chain problem sop. you're telling me that we can figure out a way to get more trucks to the port of our late to get the stuff up. i'm at the supermarket last night. there are crackers, i got sick people at home. i need crackers are out of crackers. this again, the american people, not the hardcore damsel harker republicans, they look up and say something's wrong here. and they are putting that on by. laura is, is to, is, is joe biden to drag on the party at this point as we go into the mid terms. oh, lord, have mercy. let me start. oh no, no. your mind is going to be fine too. if i was in virginia stumping there. i think, you know, i'm going to me and said explode by talking about 2 things. one by his argument that because biting is, is we're a rascal in he's, he's declining as, as a, as a senior. i'm not what i say by that argument. we would all be indicted as losing our minds just on the basis of our last pregnant. so i will say

no, come on laura. he's having imaginary conversations with rabbi he never met with during meetings, he never went to come on. let's be real up there. look, can i get a hang on lead laura fedex? no, no, no, no, no. i want to be fair. lawrence the odd man out in fair time for anyone. laura i go. i just single handed me being responsible for a local pandemic that is affecting every country on the globe. i'm trying to put them down. so i think i'm just going to finish maybe one to 5 sentences if that's ok. so the would you just can't be blamed for that and by the ports in long beach, responsible for 40 percent of our free operate operating 247. we seen the limits of what president can do, not what joe biden can do. and i would say that the talk in virginia i'm gonna make

had explode one more time. i already did that there, that, that tro supporters are angry and they have anger on their side, which is what he's hearing in the republicans. they have that energy. that's what democrats have to contend with trump now being on the stage on social media. that energy has been taken away from the democratic base. that's the challenge that they have going into the midterm, which will be solved by bringing an army and truckloads of accomplishments with them, which they're on the, on the precipice of doing with this legislative agenda and items economic agenda. moving through congress this week. ok, richard l b j had his great society, but it didn't help him when he was considering to run it to 68. i mean, i don't, i don't buy this. i don't buy this. i be a military. people don't vote for politicians based on bills. i mean there's no correlation. i actually you're in f

d r and after your last tremendous support after the midterm, when he passed the great the new deal. so part of this is just history that lauren democrats are a battling against, you know, republicans, they were, they were late to acknowledge it to before 2018. you know, they wanted that election to be about health care. peter and what's going on in virginia is that they were trying to stay on the pandemic and medicaid expansion message it, it didn't happen. it didn't work the top issues in that election or economy and jobs, taxes, inflation, and then education now has or to number 2, going to those independence and this is brand, these are brand new numbers. joe biden won the state of virginia 5444. the problem democrats have is they, they have lost 10 and, and it's getting larger every day. at least 10 percent since november 2020. he won independence over donald trump. 5738. the electorate was not, it's exceedingly democratic. it was only d plus 2 mcauliffe cannot afford a d plus 2 because right now those very same voters approve of joe biden by only 34

percent. and they are breaking to young and by 11 percent. and that is climbing that has been climbing in our 2 day rolling average. so democrats need a turnout advantage on tuesday that they, that they did not get since route north and be dead. gillespie going and that was a good democratic year. right now we're going into a challenging year for democrats and junkin is winning the very same group of voters who back joe biden over donald trump last november. this is the problem, the real, this is earth. we're back now on planet earth and the sad, the problem and it's, it's just, it's just getting worse. i me. okay on it. let me go only this one here. republicans go a taxes would help them to and it in. yeah, that's my point. i could add in your ear in the commonwealth of virginia. please explain to us what is prioritized the issues going into this governor's race here. what and to what degree of the culture, wars flaming both sides. go ahead. well i,

i would say that i would say always, it's jobs ne economy. and even though northern virginia is insulated by the swamp, in terms of jobs, there's a sense, again, gas prices are up. the supermarket prices, people aren't feeling confident and, and your to laura's point, it's kind of funny because you watch wall street is still having records, right. but it's, that's how people feel. i'd say the number that intent, the most intense issue is, is the education issue. and it's not, it's not really c r t, it's this, it's this notion that somehow parents have said we want to chance him a call. if i had someone say this is a really florida's answer would say the most infamous comments, since legitimate rape, if i todd akin, was terry mcauliffe saying parents shouldn't have a say over education, which is what he said at the debate 2 weeks ago. and for a change, the democrats are paying a price for early voting. here we have early voting, and moms are going to the polls saying what and younger standards say, and i'll spend more money on schools, i'll do more things. so education is 2nd, i would say now the problem for the democrats and laura did put this right there. one, an ad saying, trump, trump trump,

trying to get people to think about trump. it's just, i don't think it's working, you know, my, my wife during the day when there was a trump. youngin has trump bad, which said trumps a businessman young gets a business man. they both want to take over and help their friends. she said to me, is that supposed to hurt him? i don't think that's a jump from a, from a thing works. but the old fashion caveat, and this is richard point. every party in power thinks we'll just tell them what we did and they'll come out for us right now. obama's in richer and 4 or 5 or 6 days ago trying to get the african american vote out. because if they vote 82 percent for mccall, if instead of 88 percent, mccall loses. and that's the problem they have right now and they're banging the abortion drum. the democrats are trying to get the people to care about that issue to come. it's not really what's moving right now as far as we can see, but we still have, you know, we still have to wonder how the election will go. we have some big counties, fairfax and others that are going to have to count the votes and, and we know there's a lot going on. laura is, is joe biden to progressive?

what kind, i mean, what is his politics? okay, because i mean, he's an old segregationist and now he's a progressive in the white house. can you explain that to me? i forgot it. now he was, he was, it was the, was the other side out there that said look at an attack, and right here you heard it here. i did is a moderate joe biden. is this no, my hand has a long history for you to look out for that is the case and. and so i think one of the challenges and we heard it with respect to the virginia governors race, one of the challenges. and that reason you want to know if i talk to my colleagues, but that raises neck and neck, that rates will be very close one way or the other. yeah, it's hard to me and i will agree again that you fire men are in the favor of the republicans and you know, terry, mom does need to like own in on a particular message,

but the router are out and democrats are doing everything they can. everybody from rock obama to see abrams and, and the fact is just are just are how unilateral party that's motivated by a single issue. and they don't have that anger advantage in the selection, which means they have to appeal to things like a woman's right to choose. they have to talk about the environment. they have to talk about a multi pronged approach that's a harder job and a harder, especially with consumer numbers where they are right now. i'm but the fact that terry mcauliffe is still neck and that i think the to the fact that they've got a real shot at winning this and certainly 12 months from now and holding not house and senate ok. well, the fact that young came is even in the race, tells us everything we need to know about virginia, possibly the state of american politics and maybe how people feel about job. and that's all the time we. i want to thank my guess and watch it in las vegas and in gainesville, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time. remember, cross talk roles. ah

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