still still zillions at the final scene of game of thrones, only to have another bit production to lock it into a cold cat and sweep the television away. now, sure, what's expected? jesse armstrong, seductive black committee. john, i'd like to bill you and your media family headed bites ailing, but still dominant pity i look annoying. today we interviewed the actors who after 60 successfully gave in job this has become an overnighted superstar brian coke. stop the series. i was born in quebec canada and i played it with a kind of american kid in action. and i played most of this is about and then they decided that episode 9 episode 9. peter friedman who was who had placed friday, i keep fighting and behind. so they changed my bus, but she said, oh, bryan, changed your booklets, and i should really suggest, yes, you're not born in quebec anymore. he said, i said so where my bottom and he said some work. i'm done the scotland. that

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each other on the back on the small and the 2 leaders leaving bitterly disappointed . and finally, heart mike says, will just be a lot of hot air and lip service. now, brian cox began his acting career done, did repartee theater after 60 years of award winning success on stage. i've been film, he won a golden globe to play the profane, taciturn metre, magnet logan roy, misty casino publication of his autobiography, putting the rabbit in the alex. 7 catches up with brian called and delighted to be joined by logan roy or brian cox. brian, welcome back to the alex simon. show. nice to see a ryan they've been, they've been many cases of actors who work for decatur to become overnight. success is beginning sample to somebody who's be the success of the best part of half, essentially. but now you become all of a sudden, a super star,

a totally recognizable international figure that i was that impacting on your life . as a pastor, as well as an actor. well this is, you know, it's, it's great in many ways, but it so, so the sad thing is i've now lost my anonymity, so people know who i am and they're, they're constantly asking me to tell them to do a certain thing at off. basically i can list because to really reaches video, telling us to f off. and cuz it's the easiest thing in the world is the f off. it's not that. so it's, it's, it's kind of odd, it's very odd situation, but of course there are other things which are nice. you know, there's a lot, the good outweighs the bad. but i mean, the people think of us logan roy of another expecting you to be tough for places casa sutherland offensive. some people are intimidated by me, which isn't a bad thing because they think i'm logan roy and there's like i was written

something this morning and this pump back stiffness, supercilious is mega mcmahon and i thought they were talking about me and i saw something like that. and i realize that when talking about me, they were talking about logan lee, evil twin. so one last question on that, that's amazing success in succession well into the, the thumb series. i'm watching it and it appears that logan's got we've got a vulnerability as it has a, has dysfunctional family seem to be combining against them. i'm. i'm a great defender of logan. i mean, you have to, you miss 7, just your character one way or the other. you know, that's rule number one when you. but i, i look at, look at, and i think, you know, he's curse james government. but of course, he's, he's, you know, he's free with these language, but all he's trying to do is find a successful firm and maybe a horrible firm. but that's what he's trying to do. and he's hoping it's going to be kids. but his kids are being persistently disappointing. so it's very hard for

him in many ways. so i actually have a lot simpler did from because you know, yeah, she's ruthless. yeah, she's a tough business. fine. yes. he talks about being a killer and all of that stuff. but that's all part of what is really and he says that very early on, this is a game. it's an elaborate game. and of course when you play any game, you have to play it seriously. but it is a game, but the kids they don't see it as a game, they see as a matter of life and death. and so it's very hard for him to kind of extricate from that belief system. and therefore another just behaving truly appallingly. i think yes, she's under a lot of pressure from a stroke. he's trying to get his family is trying to get a phone together and, and, and the children. i'm not helping i talk and with the ambition and also this is the other thing with. ready satirical element of the piece, there's

a sense of entitlement, you know, in this entitlement because it leaves a lot to be, you know, considering, i mean, that's not something that's happening all the world over now. you know, we've got the same influences in the, in the media business. so everybody thinks are entitled you go, no, you're not. and then out of that we have let's walk and cancel culture. and it's become really kind of like liberal fascism that's happening at the moment. and the scottish as logan roy. i mean, does he make secret visits back to that in the, in the holidays to look is that kind of a buffer? i mean the whole done, i mean what, you have to understand how it started the series. i was born in quebec canada and i played it with a kind of american kid in action. and i played most of this is about and then they

decided an episode 9 after i'd filled episode 9. peter friedman who was who had placed friday, who i keep fighting and behind shed he's just on a, an a d i session or a d. i was when you do, when you go sink words on this, on the screen, you know, but they want to put and so they changed my bus. but she said, brian, that changed your booklets and i should really said, yes, yes, you're not born in quebec anymore. he said, i said so where my bone and he said, oh, i don't know if i come in and then he took his device and he said, oh you a, i guess some work i'm done the scotland. and i went with that's where i'm from. and he said, oh yeah, well apparently you went from there, done these look done, he's gone and then i said, i went up to jesse. i'm so i said, what's going on? i mean i, for 9 episodes, i've been playing this character. and now you told me i'm from my home town. he said, oh yeah, we thought to be a little surprised. i said it's a hell of a bloody surprise. but i know it's, it's, i've been playing at somebody's

a coach. ok. it's ok. you, you left doesn't be when you look very young and you came to canada, you went back, but you came to comes in a very young age. so that was it. that was like giving away too much of the upcoming cities. a look at a good time for these enemies as a life and the old dog yet, i'm seeing them on you're just off to watch and see a blank. i was i was thanks, florida. about the, your remarkable 60 years center and the acting business strikes me that but i will isn't gonna work in class edge and actors when one thinks of people of the sexes seventies, her mouths like michael kane, sean connelly, peter o'toole, all from real walk in class. or humble backgrounds like yourself, a slave acting certainly in the u. k. becoming a bet gentrified. no. well, it has been moving that way in many ways. i don't,

you know, it's very hard to, you know, i'd say easy to accuse, you know, the public school system because they have a lot of money. so they have fantastic cancer resources. and apparently the pit is both and heroin eaten are phenomenal. and of course kids get into that and the red main benefit comes batch, dominant west. they're all public school boys and that's fine. i got nothing against that. i like, well you have to understand, you know, we've been younger than me, but what you have to understand is the sixty's was the time of tremendous social mobility. there was never anything like it, there's never been anything like it since. and the certainly wasn't anything like it before, because as we rightly said, that the end of the great cry was 15 years of tory mas room, which was often the labor government lost their seats in the, in the, immediately after the war. they were empowered and the last and that it was 30 years of tourism. but out of that became this desire. and of course some of these

things like the wrong court, which we're creating you writing and they were open to actors from all classes coming on board, you know, but mainly there were edgy more to the humbler classes. so when i saw albert finney, who was my great hero, when i saw him do saturday night and sunday morning, because i wanted to be an act i was want to be an american i. that was my was my fantasies. but when i saw him at the plaza sent him and the whole time and dandy he was 24, i was 14, i suddenly thought, oh my god, it's possible it's possible. and then i got this lovely job, but the rap which is purely happens chance i got it. and i worked there for 2 and a half years and had the best time in my life. and i was very prepared to go to drama school. and when i went to drama school, i had a grunt, i had all my expenses paid and, and also living alone, i had 11 pounds,

living alone, which was on hand us. no unhappy event. oh it's, it's so punitive. know why i'm sick kids. and that was and we want to know 5 better worse off time at that time it can only than we are now. you know, so it kind of odd to me that, that this is happened. the gentrification has moved in in a big way and it's, it's happened in london. you can see in london now, you know, young people have to share houses where they could have a decent flock in here. you know, 757 kind of young, couple sharing a house where they, they have to share bathrooms and everything and it's got, it's got so out of hand because of the monstrous rise in property prices for one thing. but also in education to says about is exception to that. and if you look across the r one thinks of martin calling see smith, general buttons and paintings. these are all very humble back, and some people have broken up and they are. and the claimant in scotland has

always been towards scotland is very generous in that way in science. what you did with frederick for university education, if you're a scott, you know, that's correct. that's kept, you know, i'm, you know, i'm a socialist, i believe in a gallon pain us. and i believe that we're all, as they say in scotland, all jock thompson's bins and we all need equal opportunity. unfortunately, some people are more equal than us. and that's what's happened and it's happened in the theater, and i think it's really sad and i've been one of my heroes. of course, brian list was how to wilson and, but i also got the most, most of the 2 great achievements, one was keeping the button vietnam. but the, the 2nd was the open university of course. and what that meant in terms of access to education. so you saying and settling the losing lot, losing the access, we're going into the vast. so social ability, well, it looks like it is certainly from the arts point of view. it looks like it. i'm

sure the know people are se cox is talking nonsense, but just just i am comparing it to a, a really how student time in the sixty's when we didn't have any money. we had less money now. but that was so some ability, like i have not seen and has sort of slowly, slowly over the years, shut down. and when we come back, i'm going to talking to brian cox about how he brought flu in the theater and how he has now become this astonishing, international superstar ah, better thing, survival guide pitched 18 years ago, starting at the pedal with you. don't forget about proactive. oh, no. wizard. recreation came when we get the rest and 7 years. don't

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will welcome back. alex is in conversation with the 2 most famous man to heal from sunday media, magnet logan roy. and the see the succession played by brian cox was speaking to brian cox. logan roy about his due autobiography, pretty the rabbit. in the hut, frank kong sat title. rob in the ha web about come from well, it comes from when we did come on in the great, all those years ago, it was the opening production of the new national theater on the south bank. and they're doing a lot of strikes and delays. and we ended up doing other plays in the middle, and we were doing the whole thing that lasted 7 months, which was a long time. so anyway, we come back to rehab shows and we are having difficulties because it's been a rhetorical tumbling so big speeches. so we're having difficulty in there are 3 kings who are attendant large to, to tumbling. and so i was penny was saying, come on, lots, come on. it's, you know,

you know, it's like you just, you just get there, right? because that's what we do. we get a rama my great friend overcoat and he said, yeah, but how do we get to run into that? the 1st place? and so i'm not sure why i got the title putting the robin because it's all very well. you know what you see, but that's the process of actually how we get the rub it into that. so, i mean, after all these great rules in movies, in films and live in the cities, of course, you still got yourself as a thief. back to him is that you know, your 1st a great love. well actually, i'm actually honest. my 1st and great love was the movies because it was stop as the sort of, you know, it was the beginning of a kind of, you know, when you're, when you're a kid, when i was a kid, i used to put the pictures. you know, we have double features and we have in my home town and bending at 21 cinemas at

one time and i visited them all from the age of. i started going to pictures, went out on the chill cinema when i was about to ice. when i was about spite, i start to go on my own, which is unheard of. and we have double features so that, you know, you start at 6 o'clock, you get 2 pictures. it'll be 3 days in the us to send them is office at one another . and so you could see as many as 8 movies in a week. and i was kind of was attractive. i was always the american stuff that i really loved the nation. an american action when i was about 5. but of course what happens to you when you start learning to the business of acting is your introduced to the extraordinary world of the theater. but typically it's talking about shakespeare, who is singularly the greatest writer plays ever, ever. so in a way it distracts you. you go, you get, you follow the lane of a theater, korean, and i, i follow that line, you know, till i was in my mid fourties and i thought,

wow, this is, i've done that. but then i felt and exhausted it. i had no less respect, always got to spend. i still want to do theater. but in the end, i thought, you know, this is a time for me to go further into the cinema and i, at that time there wasn't a great cinema industry here. i mean, there was television is always been television, but it wasn't a great sort of industry. so i decided to take myself off the hollywood. and i didn't, you know, i wasn't a happy decision, but i thought need to, you know, because you have to reinvent yourself after a while. you know, you can't always paddle the same boat. so i went and i decided that having a leading turn this in the theater, i decided i would become a can i track that? you'll have to invent yourself as the 1st hannibal lecter on screen. well, i got that. i run it. may i go through a theater pins? i did a play about a play by ron hutchison, which i did in new york on raton, the skull, and it was actually brian dennehy, the actor bryan denny,

who'd been offered the role of hannibal lecter. but he felt he was, it was not his role because he thought he was too big into imposing. you know, i mean he's gone sadly. dear friend, and so he recommended me to michael man. no, michael and i haven't. he didn't know what it was, but then you had this brilliant casting director called bonnie, tim and bonnie came to see me in the play and was completely blown away my by my performance, which was very flattering. but still, when i went for the film edition with my friend phillip jackson who played the other characters he played will grade, he was my voice off. we're right there. and she said, i don't want to see you. and i said, i don't really want to see you. i said why? i said, well i, i could when i got to the theater, i was late and i couldn't, i my, she was in a very bad position. i could only hear you and it was your voice. i was just

transfixed by your voice. so i started the whole thing with my back to the camera, which is actually what i do in the film. i mean, and you look at when let, you know tony hopkins, he stands in the middle, the set, you know, meeting chinese. but i was, i my back and i had my back to the camera and numbers like that. and then i ton. so that's what happened and that's what, you know, that's how i became an elector. and of course it was a great opportunity for me. but then i had to read, you know, i was living in america i just on to place one after the other. and if the claimant stringent is co stringent to which i did on broadway, that i did display the public. and i was having a great time but, but then my 1st marriage was falling apart and i realized i'd have to go home because, you know, my kids would need me. and so i, i just came back, i didn't follow the american thing that and i came back and then out of that i go,

i went to stratford and probably had the best time of my kids are career strap. it was a great time and playing great rules. i played title sandrani cars, which was my signature role at the r i c. and then i went on to the national to play king leah. but i reached a point where i thought i want to shift. no, i don't. and i want to become one of those actors who i have huge respect for. and i got a jack a, you know, who did to see it on a regular basis. ian mckellen, i just wasn't me. so i thought, no, i'm going to go and just be jobbing work and it was, it was a dangerous decision to know it's 50, but it was probably the best decision i ever made. a known for, but just a great town be a ferocious what ray of in your cheese, the 9 to 9 to 5, a notable a da marsh by being starting in both the 2 scottish blockbusters of that year. brave ha, i'd rob roy. i mean, i have to go off without buy the detail, rob roy,

you wouldn't brief up and vice versa. well, i wish i remember i was doing rob roy, i infinitely prefer allen shop script. so rob roy, to the strange brave law, which i thought because i actually played wallace. i played a wallace on the television some years before. and it was, you know, it was that that strip was a complete fantasy. but you know, a very entertaining course from scots. why? hey, position. it was incredible. and but the best bet a script i thought was rob roy and i was doing rob roy and then a male was definitely he wanted me to be in braveheart. so he said, why can't it now? i really want to do this because i want to, mel gibson was actually offered rob roy before he was off of the film thing and actually be running a good a program because he's actually physically the right high. it's ironic that liam neeson should have played wallace because, well, it was very,

very tall. and rob roy, of course, had it rickets and was small and red headed, you know, anyway, he played and im lean played roy. so i told the people i said, and now it's kind of big me see, i really want you to be in the fell and try to much and i wrote a vessel, brian for fascinating mill mill, mill, gibson, liam neeson. you've been in the big of a complimentary about mel gibson, a rough time and recent years, but you see him as a a. another great human being. i do, i mean, i mean it's just because you can find in on and mails, mails got problems. there's no question about it, but he is not a bad man. he really isn't a bad man and i will defend him. you know, because i know him and i know about his generosity. i've seen him deal with that because you've had problems with the alcohol and he was magnificent. he was always generous and kind and caring. i have great compassion from somebody post humble

bigler and a label supporter long term, a socialist for what top do towards the idea, the scottish independence and becoming a, a strong figure in the the yes campaign. a 2014 was of any single policy on was at mura, a sense of change in social direction. while it was, you know, it seemed that social democracy was absent from the country except north and also a rock and a 7 passes behavior with the government of the united states. when clearly everybody knows it was, you know, there were no weapons of mass destruction. and we knew that dick cheney was really, it was all about halliburton was all about the oil and i, i just thought nobody can, can they not see the avarice of that we've caused such. i mean,

i think the middle east was very finely balanced anyway. and we cause, we, we cause such me and i was so angry about that and, and, and the humorous of tony and many ways dealing with that. so i just, i, i, you know, i felt i was there after because i was the voice of labor in the 97 election. and i was so live in mind that i just really believed in the party big time. but i saw the party slowly getting sold on the river, and i don't think the party is recovered. quite frankly. i really don't. and i think it's tragic because i still am, i am a socialist. so therefore i know that. but also we live in the u. k. in a very futile system. you know, everybody in that place of this goes on full upcoming, you know, it's still that it's a bit it's, it's a bit more. i'll agree like, but it's still there and i found out really unacceptable. and i think when do we

move on? when do we move on? and i looked at my contribute to scotland too. i've always had a very complicated relationship with when i saw them getting it right. that's something about what's going on. it's gone and then getting it right. and i just felt that i had to shift my allegiance and it was very painful. very tough to do that, but i was, i was really worried about these items and i was worried particularly about and you know, in scotland that you know so much of the history of scotland, especially in recent times they always got the to the boss as far as things are concerned, i was, but i kind of get fed up of the, you know, and i got, i just suddenly got to me, you know, and it really is a question of, you know, my country right or wrong. you know, i just, i just felt that that's what i had to, you know, because i, you know, because of the celtic thing, i just felt the damage my allegiance. and i had to give that me since it was difficult for me because i remember in the ninety's i used to laugh at you alex,

i used to laugh at shawn, you know, the idea of shot possibly coming the president of scotland. and i thought, well, surely kind of the president sean connery, it won't work. but no, i mean in the end it was a, it was a journey that i had to take. it was a tough and hard, but i haven't regretted it. i still think that a huge problems back, huge problems. i was there recently and i and there's a lot of no party party political criticizing. you know, i was on the question, i'm not, i just was very shocked by and, but because of the desperate times that we're in. no one last question about logan roy. i've been what she was. i mean, if somebody comes to me after something you'd sent an interview, the it doesn't, it doesn't just do volga, fractions. it does very short sentences. when you're going to be many soliloquies. playing logan roy as a brian. no, no, not in my old age, that's. that's a great blessing. the fact that she is monosyllabic bride casa. thank you so

much for lots of luck with the bo griffin. thank you so much for joining. again. i'm now examine show. thank you. alex is pleasure to talk to brian cox. his autobiography couldn't have been better tightened. many stars gosh, for sale feats. few are asked by their adoring bonds. just the way that the, the one thing that cooks and logan, who i do have in common is that they are self made. man who think no nonsense. and that is reflected in cox's tensioned by humorous memoir and characterise, is encountered in his rags to riches story other than not. they will disagree on just advice. everything. thank folks. his view on life show business and politics will always spite, i read you our kids on this program. and so from alex, nice open all the sure. thank you for watching, stacy,

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