[000:00:00;00] ah welcome to the alec salmon show for a very special program, fixing the wild famous media mogul from head pvcd succession, dandy bourne logan roy, played by dandy barton. brian cox can 2019 media company haynesville through zillow . is that the final season of game of thrones, only to have another bridge productions lock it into a cocked hat and sweep the television towards thy sure. what's expected? jesse armstrong's deduct a black comedy to i'm about to 1000000000 your media, family headed bytes elin, but still dominant pity are logan. today we interviewed the actor who after 60

successful years in show business has become an overnight superstar brian cox star, the series i was born in quebec, canada. and i played up with kind of american kit in actually, and i played most of this is about and then they decided that episode 9 episode 9. peter friedman who was placed friday, i keep planning and behind. so they changed my birth place. he said, brian, that changed your booklets and i should really suggest yes, you're not born in quebec anymore. and he said, i should. so where my bottom and he showed some work done the scotland that exclusive interview coming up. but 1st, 2 or 3 on comments on last week. sure. on call 26. the global save in climate conference. no. playing in glasgow. susan says it's actually very simple. stop the greet dba le says, we'll never stop it. we can at least treat our mother earth with dignity,

change must come, cattle says saturated, but the many missed opportunities. very informative program discussion. robert said shocking that this has been a success by scotland to find the carbon capture project idea. but every turn westminster mysteriously adapt the things to make scotland a loser. i nisa says my husband worked long on it for 34 years and was major dunden when i had to cause due to the carbon capture being cancelled. gordon mckenzie says fascinating. that was science for dummies. master class, thank you to the, to learned professors gordon medley says, i see that's going to be co pipes 26 with leaders of the so called the big nations all patting each other on the back. and the small a nation leaders leaving bitterly disappointed and finally hot mike says will just be a lot of hot air and lip service. now brian cooks began his acting career, done di, repertory theater after 60 years of award winning success on stage. i've been film

. he won a golden globe play for fame, taciturn metre, magnet logan roy. this is christine the publication of his autobiography, putting the rabbit in the alex. 7 catches up with brian called and the delighted to be joined by logan roy or brian cox. brian, welcome back to the alex simon. show. nice to see a ride. they've been, they've been many cases of actors who worked for decatur to become overnight. success is beginning sample to somebody who's be the success of the best part of half, essentially. but now you become all of a sudden, a super star, a totally recognizable international figure that i was not impacting on your life as a pastor, as well as an actor. well, this is, you know, it's, it's great in many ways, but it, so, so the sad thing is, i've now lost my anonymity, so people know who i am and they're constantly asking me to tell them to do

a certain thing at foss. basically i can list because to really reaches video, telling us to f off. and cuz it's the easiest thing in the world is the f off. it's not that. so it's, it's, it's kind of odd, it's very odd situation. but of course, there are other things which are nice, you know, there's a lot, the good outweighs the bad. but i mean, the people think of us logan roy of another expecting you to be tough for places pass a tunnel and offensive. some people are intimidated by me, which isn't a bad thing because they think i'm logan roy and there's like i was reading something this morning. let's bump back sickness, supercilious, mag romantic mine. and i thought they were talking about me and i saw something like that. and i realized that when talking about me, they were talking about logan lee, evil twin a one last question on. that's amazing. success in succession well into the, the,

some serious i'm watching it and it appears that logan's got we've got a vulnerability as a, has a, has dysfunctional family seem to be combining against them. i'm. i'm a great defender of logan. i mean, you have to, you miss 7, just your character one way or the other. you know, that's rule number one when you. but i, i look at, look at, and i think, you know, he's, course james got in, but of course he's, he's, you know, he's free with these language. but all you need to do is find the success of funds from maybe a horrible firm. but that's what he's trying to do and he's hoping it's going to be kids, but his kids are being persistently disappointing. so it's very hard for him in many ways. so i actually have a lot simpler get from because, you know, yeah, she's ruthless. yeah, she's a tough business. fine. yes. he talks about being a killer and all of that stuff, but that's all part of what is really and he says that very early on. this is a game. it's an elaborate game. and of course, when you play any game,

you have to play it seriously, but it is a game, but the kids, they don't see it as a game, they see as a matter of life and death. and so it's very hard for him to kind of extricate from that belief system. and therefore, i know that just behaving truly appallingly. i think yes, she's under a lot of pressure from a stroke. he's trying to get his family is trying to get a phone together and, and, and the children. i'm not helping i talk and with the ambition and also this is the other thing to person. ready so technical element of the piece, there's a sense of entitlement, you know, in this entitlement because it leaves a lot to be, you know, considering, i mean, that's not something that's happening all the world over now. you know, we've got the same influences in the, in the media business. so everybody thinks are entitled, you go, no, you're not. and then out of that we have,

let's walk and cancel culture. and it's become really kind of like liberal fashion that's happening at the moment. and the scottish as logan roy. i mean, does he make secret visits back to the holidays to look, is that kind of a buffer? i mean the whole done the trip. i mean what you have to understand all that stuff in the series. i was born in quebec canada and i played it with kind of american kit in action. and i played most of this is about and then they decided an episode 9 after i'd filled episode 9. peter friedman who was who had placed friday, who i keep fighting and behind shed he's just on an a d i session or a d. i was when you do when you. ready co sink words on this, on the screen, you know, but they want to put and so they changed my bus, but she said, o'brien that changed your booklets and i should really said, yes, yes,

you're not born in quebec anymore. he said, i said so where are my born? and he said, oh, i don't know, i kind of him and then he took his device and he said, oh you a, i guess some work i'm done the scotland. and i went with that's where i'm from. and he said, oh yeah, well apparently you went from there done these look done, he's gone and i, i went up to jesse, i'm so i said, what's going on? i mean i, for 9 episodes, i've been playing this character. and now you told me i'm from my home town. he said, oh yeah, we thought to be a little surprised. i said it's a hell of a bloody surprise. but i know it says i've been playing it. somebody's a coach. ok. it's ok. you, you left doesn't be when you look very young, you came to canada, you went back, but you came to come to the very young age. so that was it. that was like giving away too much of the upcoming city. so, as look at a good time for these enemies as

a life and the old dog yet i'm seeing them on you'll just have to watch and see by let's explore a remarkable 60 years in the acting business. thanks me that i've been losing a working class age and that doesn't mean one thing. so people of the sixties and seventies have maps like michael kane, sean connelly, peter o'toole, all from real. what can class are humble backgrounds and like yourself? i think certainly in the u. k becoming a min gentrified man. well, it has been moving that way in many ways. i don't, you know, it's very hard to, you know, i'd say easy to accuse you know, the public school system because they have a lot of money. so they have fantastic cancer resources. and apparently the kid is both in harrow and eaten are phenomenal. and of course kids get into that at the red main benefit comes batch,

dominant west. they're all public schoolboys and that's fine. i've got nothing against that. i like what you have to understand, you know, we've been younger than me, but what you have to understand is the sixty's was the time of tremendous social mobility. there was never anything like it. there's never been anything like it since. and the certainly wasn't anything like it before, because as we rightly said, that the end of the great cry was 15 years of tori mas rule, which was often the labor government lost our seats in and immediately after the war, they were in power than the last and that it was 30 years of tourism, but out of that became this desire. and of course some of these things like the wrong court, which we're creating you writing and they were open to actors from all classes coming on board, you know, but mainly there were edgy more to the humbler classes. so when i saw albert finney, who was my great hero, when i saw him do saturday night and sunday morning, because i wanted to be an act i was want to be in america. that was my,

it was my fantasies, a kid. but when i saw him at the plaza, sent him and the whole done and done, d i, he was 24. i was 14, i suddenly thought, oh my god, it's possible it's possible. and then i got this lovely job. but the rab, which is purely chopin's chance that i got it, and i worked there for 2 and a half years and had the best time in my life. and i was very prepared to go to drama school. and when i went to drama school, i had a grunt, i had all my expenses paid and, and also living alone and i had to 11 pounds to living alone, which was on hand. no. and have it all, you know it's, it's so punitive know why i'm sick kids and that was, and we want to know 5 bad worse off time at that time economically than we are now . you know, so it kind of odd to me that this just happened. the gentrification is moved in

a big way and it's, it's happened in london. you can see in london now, you know, young people have to share houses where they could have a decent flock. you know, i hear, you know, 77 kind of young, couple sharing a house where they, they have to share bathrooms and everything and it's got, it's got so because of the monstrous rice in property prices for one thing. but also in education to says about is exception to that. and if you look across the one thinks of martin calling see smith, general buttons and painting the these are all very humble bike and some people have broken down on and they are and conduct the claimant. in scotland has always been towards dot scotland is very generous in that way. and thanks to what you did with free edge, a free university education. if you're a scott, you know, that's correct. that's kept, you know, i'm, i do, you know, i'm a socialist. i believe and egalitarian as, and i believe that we're all as they say in scotland, where all jock thompson's bends,

and we all need got equal opportunity. unfortunately, some people are more equal than others. and that's what's happened. and it's happened in the theater. and i think it's really sad and no, i mean, what am i, the heroes across bridles was how to wilson linda when i was a god, the most widely wilson, the 2 great achievements one, was keeping a button of vietnam. but the 2nd was the open university, of course, and what that meant in terms of access to education. so you saying and settling that we're losing not losing the access, we're going into the vast. so social ability, while it looks like it is certainly from the arts point of view, it looks like it. i'm sure that no people are se cox's talking nonsense, but just just i am comparing it to a really house in time, in the sixty's when we didn't have any money, we had less money now, but that was social mobility like i have not seen, and has sort of slowly, slowly over the years, shut down. and when we come back,

i'm going to talking to brian cox about how he brought flu in the theater and how he has no become less astonishing, international superstar. ah, richard lum adults is always built on a structure that was created 1st and childhood. so without understanding who child have relationships, it becomes very hard to understand adult relationships. and that's why it's incredibly important to be able to have a basic understanding of what motivates you as an emotional, be it welcome back. alex is in conversation with the 2 most famous man to heal from sunday media. magnet logan roy

from the city succession played by brian cox. i was speaking to bryan cox. logan roy, about his due autobiography, putting the rabbit in the hot bread calling site. title. rob in the ha web about come from? well, it comes from when we did campbell in the grade all those years ago. it was the opening production of the new national theater on the south bank. and then last strikes and delays. and we ended up doing other plays in the middle, and we were doing the whole thing that lasted 7 months, which was a long time. so anyway, we come back to rehab shows and we are having difficult because it's been a rhetorical company. so make speeches. so we're having difficulty in there are 3 kings who are attendant loads to, to cumberland. and so our was penny was saying, come on, lots, come on. it's, you know, you know, it's like you just, you just get it wrapped up. that's all we do. we get the rama my great friend overcoat and he said, yeah, but how,

but how do we get to run into that in the 1st place? and so i, that's why i got the title putting the robin because it's all very well. you know what you see, but that's the process of actually how we get the rub it into that. so, i mean, after all these great roles in movies, in films and live in the cities, of course, you still got yourself as a thief. back to him is that you know, your 1st a great love. well actually, i'm actually honest. my 1st and great love was the movies because it was stop as the sort of, you know, it was the beginning of a kind of, you know, when you're, when you're a kid, when i was a kid, i used to put the pictures. you know, we have double features and we have in my home town and bending at 21 cinemas at one time and i visited them all from the age of. i started going to pictures, went out on cinema when i was about to ice, when i was about spite, i start to go on my own, which is unheard of. and we have double features so that,

you know, you start at 6 o'clock, you get 2 pictures, it will be 3 days in the us to send them is office at one another. and so you could see as many as 8 movies in a week. and i was kind of attractive, i was always the american stuff that i really loved the nation, an american action when i was about 5. but of course, what happens to you when you start learning to the business of acting as you're introduced to the extraordinary world of the theater. but it's talking about shakespeare, who is singularly the greatest writer plays ever. so in a way it distracts you, you go, you get, you follow the lane of a theater, korean, and i, i follow that line, you know, till i was in my mid fourties and i thought, wow, this is, i've done that. but then i felt and exhausted it. i had no less respect, always got to spend. i still want to do theater. but in the end, i thought, you know, this is a time for me to go further into the cinema and i,

at that time there wasn't a great cinema industry here. i mean, there was television, there's always been television, but it wasn't a great sort of industry. so i decided to take myself off the hollywood. and i didn't, you know, i wasn't a happy decision, but i thought i need to, you know, because you have to reinvent yourself after a while. you know, you can't always paddle the same boat. so i went and i decided that having a leading, i turn this in the theater. i decided i would become a can i track that? you'll have to invent yourself as the 1st hannibal lecter on screen. well, i got that. i run it. may i go through a theater pins? i did a play about a play by ron hutchison, which i did in new york on ratten this call. and it was actually brian denny, the actor. brian denny, who'd been offered the role of hannibal lecter. but he felt he was, it was not his role because he thought he was too big into imposing. you know, i mean he's gone sadly. dear friend,

and so he recommended me to michael man. no, michael and i haven't. he didn't know what it was, but that he had this brilliant casting director called bonnie tenement and and he came to see me in the play and was completely blown away my by my performance, which was very flattering. but still, when i went for the film edition, when my friend phillip jackson, who played the other characters he played will grade, he was my voice off. we're right there. and she said, i don't want to see you. and i said, i don't really want to see you. i said, why a ship? well i, i could when i got to the theater, i was late and i couldn't i, she was in a very bad position. i could only hear you and it was your voice. i was just transfixed for your voice. so i started the whole thing with my back to the camera, which is actually what i do in the phil. i mean, if you look up when let you know tony hopkins, he stands up in the middle, the set,

you know, meeting chinese. but i was, i my back and i had my back to the camera numbers like that. and then i ton. so that's what happened and that's what, that's how i became an elector. and of course it was a great opportunity for me. but then i had to read, you know, i was living in america, i just on to place one out to the other. and if the claimant stringent is co stringent to which i did on broadway, that i did display the public. and i was having a great time but, but then my 1st marriage was falling apart and i realized i'd have to go home because my kids would need me. and so i, i just came back, i didn't follow the american thing. then i came back and then out of that i go, i went to stratford and probably had the best time of my theater career strap. it was a great time and playing great rules. i played title sandrani cars, which was my signature role at the r i c. and then i went on to the national to

play king leah. but i've reached a point where i thought i want to shift. no, i don't. i don't want to become one of those actors who i have huge respect for. and i got a jack a, you know, who did to see it on a regular basis. ian mckellen. i just wasn't me. so i thought, no, i'm going to go and just be, i'm jumping working and it was the, it was a dangerous decision cuz i was 50. but it was probably the best decision i ever made known for. but just a great town be a ferocious what re of in your cheese, the 9th, and i to 5, a notable a demoss by being starting and both the 2 scottish blockbusters of that year. brave ha, i'd rob roy. i mean, i have to go off without buy the detailed rob roy, you wouldn't brief up and vice versa. well, i wish i remember i was doing rob roy, i infinitely prefer allen shop script. so rob roy, to the strange bray plot,

which i thought because i actually played wallace. i played a wallace on the television some years before. and it was, you know, it was that that strip was a complete fantasy. but you know, it's a very entertaining course from scots. why? hey, position. it was incredible. and but the best bet a script i thought was rob roy and i was doing rob roy and then a male was definitely he wanted me to be in braveheart. so he said, why can't it now? i really want to do this because i want to, mel gibson was actually offered rob roy before he was off of the film thing and actually be running a good a program because he's actually physically the right high. it's ironic, liam neeson should have played wallace because, well, it was very, very tall. and rob roy, of course, had it rickets and was small and red headed, you know, anyway, he played and im liam played roy. so i told the people, i said that and now it's kind of big me see,

i really want you to be in the fell and try to much and i wrote a vessel bryan for fascinating mill mill, mill, gibson, liam neeson. you've been in the big of a complimentary about mel gibson, a rough time in recent years, but you see him as a a. another great human being. i do, i mean, i mean it's just because you can find in on males mows got problems. there's no question about it, but he is not a bad man. he really isn't a bad man and i will defend him. you know, because i know him and i know about his generosity. i've seen him deal with that because you've had problems with the alcohol and he was magnificent. he was always generous and kind and caring. i have great compassion come to my post. humble by the end, a label support the long term socialist. what to do towards the

idea of a scottish independence and becoming a strong figure in the yes campaign, a $24.00 team was that any single policy on? was it more of a sense of change in social direction? well, it was, you know, it seemed that social democracy was absent from the country except north and also a rock and a certain person's behavior with the government of the united states. when clearly everybody knows it was, you know, there were no weapons of mass destruction. and we knew that dick cheney was really, it was all about halliburton was all about the oil. and i, i just thought nobody can come in not see the avarice of that. we've cause such, i mean, i think the middle east was very finely balanced anyway, and we cause we, we cause such may have and i was so angry about that and, and,

and the humorous. so tony, in many ways dealing with that. so i just, i, i, you know, i felt i was there after because i was the voice of labor in the 97 election. and i was so live in mind that i just really believed in the party big time. but i saw the party slowly getting sold on the river, and i don't think the pot is recovered. quite frankly. i really don't. and i think it's tragic because i still am, i am a socialist, so therefore i don't it. but also we live in the u. k. in a very futile system. you know, everybody in that place or this goes on full lot talking, you know, it's still that it's a bit it's, it's a bit more eloquently, but it's still there. and i found really unacceptable, and i think when do we move on? when do we move on? and i looked at my sell it to scotland to, i've always had a very complicated relationship with when i saw that getting it right. that's something about what's going on. it's gotten that getting it right. and i just felt

that i had to shift my allegiance and it was very painful. very tough to do that. but i was, i was really worried about these items and i was worried particularly about and you know, in scotland that you know so much of the history of scotland, especially in recent times, they always got the top end in the box as far as things are concerned and i was, but i kind of get fed up with, you know, and i just suddenly got to me, you know, and it really is a question of, you know, my country right or wrong. you know, i just, i just felt that that's what i had to, you know, because i, you know, because of the celtic thing i just spoke about was my allegiance. and i had to give that me since it was difficult for me because i remember in the ninety's i used to laugh at you alex, i used to laugh at shawn, you know, the idea of shot possibly coming the president of scotland. and i thought, well, surely kind of the president sean connery, it won't work. but no, i mean in the end it was a, it was a journey that i had to take. it was

a tough and hard on it, but i haven't regretted it. i still think that a huge problems back, huge problems. i was up there recently and i and there's a lot of no party party political criticizing. you know, i was on the question time, not i just very shocked by and, but because of the desperate times that we're in. no one last question about logan roy. i've been what she was. i mean, if somebody comes to me after something you said an interview, the, it doesn't, it doesn't just do vogue fractions. it does very short sentences. when you're going to be many soliloquies. playing logan roy as a brian. no, no, not in my old age, that's. that's a great blessing the fact that she is monosyllabic, pride casa. thank you so much for lots of luck with the bo griffin. thank you so much for joining again. i'm alex. i'm unsure. thank you,

alex pleasure to talk to brian cox. his autobiography couldn't have been better tightened. many stars to ask for sale feats fewer asked by their adoring bonds. just the way that the, the one thing that cooks and logan roy they have in common is that they are self made. man who think no nonsense until that is reflected in cox's tensioned by humorous memoir on a colleague because he has encountered in his rags to riches story. other than not, david disagree on just advice. everything. time cox's view on life show business and politics will always spite. i read you audience on this program. i'm so from alex, my soap and all at the shoe. thank you for watching, stacy. i will see you all again next week.

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