[000:00:00;00] ah, i'm african returns in you're watching a very special episode of going underground from the bolivian embassy in london as cop $26.00 continues in glasgow and join now by the president of the country with one of the world's largest reserves, lithium, louise, assa, who's addressed the conference earlier in the week. mister president, thanks so much for letting us into your embassy. we wouldn't be able to pay the cameras here without the lithium the powers, the batteries. congratulations on the restoration of democracy. what did you make of prime minister bars? johnson, hosting cop 26 claiming that capitalism is the key to solving this climate emergency

. well, thank you. thank you for your time. well, actually what we have seen in, in the meeting was that everybody, all the rich countries are trying to, you know, wing some time and only renew the capital limbs. and the green capital is what we call it. because all the instruments that they are trying to put in place in order to solve the problem of the climate crisis i call it is under the market conditions market instrument. so that's why we decided to, you know, to propose another, a tentative mechanism instrument in noted, you know, the, all the developing countries can face the product, which is, which are new market instruments for those 100000000 dollars and a $1000000000.00 that they propose. they compromise in, in parties agreement,

but we haven't seen anything yet. here. they promised it. and so when you talk of your proposals, all we heard from rich countries, a good on the so called mainstream media nature media. they talked about carbon markets. the need to increase g d p and net 0. what's your reaction to these kinds of policies while they are talking about cedar net in 2050? you know, and we are talking about the year that we have to reach the goal. why point 6? grades a center of the grades in 2030. so there's a lot of difference because if you written in 2050 i, it's, and reversible. the problem is not reversible anymore for all over to where. i mean, that's why we have to go to have to meet our word. i certainly say cobb and markets

and capitalist free markets. other solution to this? no. because the markets, the, you know, 1st of all, the market is not a transparent mechanism because it has a symmetries uncertainties. and the market never works. you know, there are many papers in the we're the demonstrate that the market mechanisms are not always working as they used as, as the, as they are supposed to do it. so the best way to do it in a quickly manner, a more effective way is in a, in a direct to transfer from the rich countries to our countries in technology, in, you know, immigration and so on. in order even there, reforest and forest. a and son in order to face the climate

crisis that were stacy. yeah, there was celebrating forestry agreements. so when you talk about the market, i mean, is it more mysterious than incur civilizations in bolivia? the way this market works, you mentioned just their technology transfer. you know, the big talk is it got 26. they love intellectual property rights. they're protected bill gates benefited greatly from the coven vaccine. and understand maybe some of the delicates from the global south were interested in intellectual property rights, especially given, were in the pandemic. one, you know, the market is in the back seems are it's american days now and everything in the capital image is a merchandise. so what do we need to change this? change our mind. there are things that we have sort of in direct way, not in the market condition, because in the market, you know, you don't play in the same in the same condition. you and me, you offer, i'm demanded. you know,

you were not playing the same where you have more power than me and you, we did the market. and of course, the market condition, the instrument of market condition doesn't work because it has to be, you know, equal way to do it because we are drain, it. we are supposed to do. it is trying to solve the program for all over the world . so in the market conditions, you don't have anything that guarantee that the market will function as many thinks in to where that the market conditions. the only way from our point of view. it can be effective quickly, you know, is direct transfers for the developing countries in order to solve the problems that we're facing. is you what makes it different when it comes from the president of bolivia, as opposed to many other countries, is your lithium reserves. and the transfer of energy resource youth from

fossil fuels to electric. and so when you talk like that at gov, 26, presumably they listen to you more. the oligarchs that are there, the big multi nationals. what, what's their reaction when you to i like that i would say 2 things. bolivia is the leader of the like minded developing countries. we have a group there and we, we worked together. we have a unique position in the, in this meeting in the cop 26 position and everywhere we work together, that's why the developed countries are interest to talk to us because we are living in those countries. i'm talking about china. i'm talking about india. i'm talking about our countries and talking about many south american countries, latin american countries that are following us. i mean, i say the leadership of, you know, all these countries, the list or the like minded developing countries. this is our group and they know

with them. they, they, they know us, it's the 1st one, and the 2nd one think that maybe they listen to us is that, of course we are the 1st sets of lithium into were and we are trying to individualize it. and of course, that was one of there is one of the could at that in 2019 that help anybody? yeah, i mean, the greatest story of the americans, edwardo galena said from diamond memorial, that natural resources have been a curse to countries in your region. tell me about the the coup d'etat, you know, that the bars johnson, the government, they did not condemn the massacres of your people when the crew happened. in fact, jeremy's call, been a british labor leader at that time, was criticized for attacking the coo. well, you know,

in bolivia we have 38 people dead in 2019 there are responsible for that. and there, you know, the in believe yeah, we're following it trials against those people that were involved in the program. and there are some on jailing, you know, in a trial process not normal trial process. and what the people in molina, when i was in campaign, asked to me to do it is justice. justice doesn't mean a persecution. it doesn't mean you know which hands whatever you want. no. a here, the government of the quote that the government is coming from the could, the town. they say an ad supreme decree where they establish and they ask the or,

and they m compulsory a says to the are here the army to go to the streets and go against the people that was in claiming for election chantelle and things like that. so i mean, something is that somebody is responsible for these and that's why they are trials in bolivia. so whatever they, they come to, you know, do europe or united states, whatever, trying to say anything different is not true. i mean, well, i mean all along to the media reporting go over in a, in a 2nd, but you've been, you've criticized the organization of african of american states. you criticize with the european union to say, i just want to get on to britain though. what was the role of britain? because britain, we have reports, the british embassy in the buzz funded lithium consultation documents in 2019

the u. k. a. m. i 5 got our dark tre cybersecurity firm linked to the cia 8 months before the coo was involved in different activities. reuters news agency, which historically has been associated with the intelligence agencies, worked with the u. k embassy in your country to train bolivian journalists just before the qu. what is britain's role ago? well, i mean, you know, many countries were involved in the credit of 2019. and now the research are showing that for example, democracy government in argentina, mr. lenny moreno in a quote or did participate it, you know, sending some weapons and some bullets to olivia. and that's completely true because imagine, you know, we have a try there, you know, and nothing happened in

a quite often. but we received from the old government, you know, at please given back all the weapons and, and that we gave it into in 2019. so that's why we, we, you know, we discover these kind of things. so every time, every, a moment that we received a new report from research form universities from international institutions like, you know, human rights and so on. we are, is even more information that we are processing. we are understanding what was going on. and of course, there's many strange things that happened at the time as you measure the participation of the british embassy. there is research and lithium. also, you know, when they call the people who were in the beating, trying to decide who is going to be the written expression. and in that meeting a,

the ambassador of brazil in bolivia was there was a brazilian bustle doing in the we are among the, the volleyball editions. you know, even when boys who were coming from the computer, we don't have any, any proof, see it. but you know, you can use your imagination in order to understand what was going, but slowly, slowly, but very clear as the light in the darkness, you know, everything will be clarified in the next month's next. yes. well, lennon moreno, of course, allowed the british police to capture julian sons from the ecuadorian embassy. and no doubt he would say off the record, you know, we get pressure from the united states before you blame countries in, in the region. mister president,

i'll stop you there. more from the president to bolivia after this short break. ah, what kinda makes no sense? no board is just a tease. and you as a merge, we don't have a charity. we don't have a vaccine. whole world leads to take action and be ready. people are judgment, common crisis with we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great, the response has been massive, so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it

together with for years we were told that way to stimulate the economy was to print money. and then when it became obvious that printing money was actually causing economic couple decline and bank failure. they had to come up with a narrative and that was the green narrative. the e s. g narrative, the cop annual gathering narrative. and as you're pointing out, you're just switching chairs on the titanic. you're just going from one particular way to destroy the global economy using for your money to a different way to destroy the global economy using c r. money. ah, welcome back. i'm still here with the president bolivia, louis sasa. what did you make of her biden's? imagine blink and saying,

he's very concerned about demo democracy in your country at the moment. um is divided ministration. well, you know which democracy in the north american democracy is concerned about, about the politicization of your legal system. and, you know, in washington talks about countries south of the rio grande. what happens? well, i don't think that many, many things can be saved by, by a united states. people are so about democracy and believe the justice in or what i can say is that we want the election to last year with 55 percent of the boats. and in, in bolivia, if you go to a vote process, it's compulsory. it's not like in the states that you know,

10 percent 9 percent of people go through the elections or you win with 9 percent. but he's only 10 percent of population. in bolivia is a compulsory. everybody has to go to, to the boat to, to, to the elections, to vote. and i want with 555 percent of more than 55 percent off both. so, i mean, which is the more crazy we can show them that there we are more democratic country than ever, you know, because we have more than 50 percent over the population, bucking us, our government. and thing about the justice just is we haven't changed any anybody there see in our government the same people that managing the justice when the credit that people were in the government, you know, is the same people that are managing the current justice in believe we didn't

change in the judge, we didn't change anybody out of the same way that there were a processor me, i have more than 7. it tries against me when i was in campaign, you know, but no the same people is managing the justice. that is managing the tribes against all the people that were in the so what does, what does blinking mean? of course, he was an architect of the war on libya, africa's richest per capita country by virtue of its oil. we know what happens tomorrow. the nicaraguan elections will receive the united states try to kill or take it, obviously, and reports of attempts on the life of maduro in venezuela. just tell her audience what your interior minister has been saying in recent days. it was a deal castillo horrifying news, arguably at the same mercenary group group that murdered govern elmore,

you say 80 attempted to kill. yeah. that's right. people who kill the person in haiti. there were in bolivia because it was traced to a miami group. the haiti, assassination of the president. yes, they were. what were in your case, what was our traced? we understand that, that they wanted us, you know, not to, to be the, the, to become the president. you know, there were there everything at, even at the end of the last minute, they wanted to do something because they were not happy. what had happened in october last year when we want the elections? so the, the, so to kill us. and then they, they hired some people to do that, but fortunately they couldn't do anything after 2, you know, i was in the government. so we understand that they were trying to do something.

i, fortunately nothing, nothing happened. you know, i was taking care of myself and all the people around me was taking care of me and nothing happened. but what we have already know about the attention, you know, was that the hire people to kill us. and that's, that's what is going on on the media and do a website. so nothing to suggest that us intelligence was involved in any way though. well, all of these things, you know, it's focusing on the former miniature of the friends that misses and you have. yeah. you mentioned brazil earlier. it will be president ball center a hand over fernando lopez. i understand he's in brazil at the moment. if indeed,

to, to answer the allegations that he tried to kill you. well, you know, he says he's not looking anything. there are many people of the government in brazil known to you know, so we will expect what happened in the trial because we understand that sooner or later, they had to come to olivia and see, you know, something in the, in the tribes there. they are facing so we will wait g, aside from the lithium, the nato countries, one from you. and there are obviously vested all the god, interested in bolivia, domestic and it's a mix. them will live on the internal one. i jerry corbin here and he came within a couple of 1000 votes of becoming brave minister here in britain amongst a virulent media media campaign. he says, you prove that deal liberalism can be turned around something that many people in

the global south countries. i mean, that probably discouraged that principle. what is your bonus against hunger initiative that you've instituted in your country in my country? i'm only 30 percent of people have a salary wages the 7th, the rest of the people. a, you know, they have a they, they work by themselves. so when the bun demick can't came to bolivia in march last year. they only did quoting tina, you know, so everybody at home and many people that used to live in the working day basis. they couldn't earn anything. so they to wear no money for many families, 70 percent of them. so they were hungry. they started to, you know,

they say they started to get some loans, you know, in order to leave and that's why we decided to go to the hungry bone, which is a you know, a condition that transfer for everybody who don't have the waste a center. and that's the way we are trying to increase the internal demand. because the pandemic, what has happened has affected in the believe in economy is that you, that you don't have the money because nobody has money. now we get somebody like robert johnson's government did. here i had a fellow furlow system, no, that radicals i'm be will way. what is radical though? obviously have been your taking back into democratic control. key industries from milk to i don't know much of water certainly. why was it important to hand back?

the us back crew leader, i suppose you'd college in an years, 300000000 dollar i m f loan. why was it important to have because the i'm, i wouldn't have allowed you to bring back on the democratic control these industries. no, no, you know, even if it currently we would have a agreement with, i mean, we can broken any time as we did in 2006 when i was there, a miniature economy of my country. we didn't have when, when, during, during the eval morales presidency. we never had any agreement with the i m f and we did better in economy. and also at this time, i mean the i m f, the only the only principle that i am ever has when you signed an agreement with them is the conditions of the credit. not only because $300000000.00, you know, i opened the international market for believe so i can go to the market each or 5 has

a me little $1000000.00 us dollars very easily. now. so $300000000.00. it's not a huge money. you know, for as the problem is, right as of a hotel room, you know, when you st and agree with the m f, you have to follow all the requirements, all the conditions. and one of the condition, very important condition that was in the agreement was, did bolivia has to evaluate the exchange rate. i mean, you have to move the exchange rate. and that was the problem for us. you know, not only, you know, you have to sell to sell out all your public enterprises, which is, you know, coming back to the night is in my country, privatized privatizing, you know, but also the most important thing for us is that, you know, the economy policy again, will be go to the i m of hands and we don't,

we are not agree. we don't agree with that, but it's sister organization. the world bank came to always say, we've learned the i m f and will bank. i've learned from the mistakes of impoverishing the global south in hundreds of millions of people over decade. i would say one thinks of what they say. another thing is what they do. oh, retail, castro famously said he should he keep the m f out earlier. and, and i think you mentioned cuba in your un general assembly speech in recent days with regard to sanctions. you know, what happens to countries that oppose the, the great economists of the international monetary fund would, would bolivia be able to cope with sanctions or is just the lithium protect you from sanctions because the whole world once lithium now either fix, i mean for a, the cuban problem they are sometimes we understand they are doing badly,

not because of the solution then. because of, you know, the, the, the problem they are facing that nobody can trade than work with them. the blockades, the blockade. that's the problem. because that is the reason why they are not developing as fast as they need to do. i mean, as i said, you've talked about, i mean, the organization of american states, 60 percent of the money comes from the usa. they will be dried to invalidate your democratically elected leadership. what, what is the role of albert? and can it be worked with in the shanghai cooperation organization to oppose these new liberal organizations? what, what about these transnational things we have to enhance our, in the scenes. 2019. were we so for liquidity in bolivia, i think we were a little bit, you know,

i'd have to explain what alba is. obviously, britain is leaving a big tre group like with breaks it. but what you might have to tell us what alber is, why it's important. it's very important because we can do together, we can corporate it one each other. i mean, there are many advantages to be in algebra, not only for olivia, for been israel level q or what, but also for all the small islands that we have that belong to the algebra in the caribbean ocean. i mean, in the given c, sorry. so, you know, i think there are many things that we can work together. we can do to get and receive results. dan, going along. i mean, that's the idea of what we need for them, where we can, you know, communicate and we can discuss some word problems that can affect through all our countries. and i suppose just finally, it's a terrible, terrible question in

a way that maybe we ask it on going on the ground when we ask questions of people who oppose new neoliberalism. if something does happen to you will the movement for socialism body have other people to lead in bolivia. it is a serious question given we've seen assassinations just in the past few months. yeah. i mean, i, i have, we have some party the vice president who's doing well, but also we have young people like the president of the snake. like our just president of the deputy care assembly as well. i mean, there are some many young people that are coming, you know, be higher. sure about them all. rafael korea was on our show a recently promoted marina. well, i, you know, i can say anything about it. but in the case of the m. m.

a sim bolivia i understand that we help people following, i mean there are people, i am not only the only one that could recover the democracy in bolivia and recover all the government. i think we have people that we can trust, you know, in the same way, you know, with the same british supposed to submit. it ology and i mean, i don't see any problem. and they think they know because we're trying now to to prepared more young people for the coming days. we need more leaders. we need a tentative for the democratic or for the democracy under, for democratic a internal elections as well. president resources. thank you. thank you. that's for the show from the bolivian embassy in london. we're back on monday until then. keep in touch with us viola,

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