on commitments on cobra, a ah, a with them option returns in you're watching a very special episode of going underground from the bolivian embassy in london. it's got 26 continues in glasgow. i'm joined now by the president of the country with one of the world's largest reserves of lithium, louise asa, who's addressed the conference earlier in the week. mister president, thanks so much for letting us into your embassy. we wouldn't be able to pay the cameras here without the lithium the powers, the batteries. um,

congratulations on the restoration of democracy. what did you make of prime minister bars? johnson hosting cop 26, claiming that capitalism is the key to we're solving this climate emergency. well, thank you. thank you for your time. well, actually, what we have seen in india meeting was that everybody, all the rich countries are trying to, you know, wind some time and only renew the capital limbs. and the green capital is what we call it. because all the instruments that they are trying to put in place in order to solve the problem over the climate crisis, i call it is under the market conditions market instrument. so that's why we decided to, you know, to propose another, a tentative mechanism instrument in, not it, you know, the,

all the developing countries can phase the product, which is, which are new market instruments for those 100000000 dollars and a $1000000000.00 that they provide. they compromise in, in parties agreement, but we haven't seen anything yet. yeah. they, they promised it. and so when you talked of your proposals, all we heard from rich countries a good on the so called mainstream media major media. they talked about carbon markets. the need to increase g d p and net 0. what your reaction to these kinds of policies while they are talking about cedar net in 2050, you know, and we are talking about the year that we have to reach the goal. why point 6? grades a center of the grades in 2030. so there are

a lot of difference because if you written in 2050 i, it's, and reversible. the problem is not the ritual anymore for all over the where. i mean, that's why we have to go to have to meet our work. i certainly say carbon markets and capitalist free market. other solution to this, no. because the market's the, you know, the 1st of all the market is not a transporting mechanism because it has a symmetries uncertainties. and the market never works. you know, there are many papers in the world that demonstrate that the market mechanisms are not always working as they used as, as the, as they are supposed to do it. so the best way to do it in a quickly manner, a more effective way is in a, in

a direct to transfer from the rich countries to our countries in technology, in, you know, immigration and so on, in order even there reforest and forest. and son in order to face the climate crisis that were facing. yeah, there was celebrating forestry agreements. so when you talk about the markets, i mean, is it more mysterious than incur civilizations in bolivia? the way this market works you mentioned just their technology trends. were you know, the big talk is it got 26. they love intellectual property rights that protect a bill gates benefited greatly from the coven vaccine. and understand maybe some of the delegates from the global south. we're interested in intellectual property rights, especially given were in the pandemic. one, you know, the market is in the maxim's american days now,

and everything in the capital image is a merchandise. so what do we need to change this? change our mind. there are things that we have sort of in the direct way, not in the market condition, because in the market, you know, you don't play in the same in the same condition. you and me, your for, i'm demanding. you know, you were not playing the same where you have more power than me and you, we did the market. and of course, the market condition that the instrument of market condition doesn't work. because it has to be, you know, many equal way to do it because we are trying it, we are supposed to do. it is trying to solve the problem for all over the world. so in the market conditions, you don't have anything that guarantee that the market will function as many thinks in to where that, that the market conditions. the only way from our point of view that can be effective quickly. you know, is it direct transfers for the developing countries in order to solve the problems

that we're facing? you what makes it different when it comes from the president of bolivia, as opposed to many other countries, is your lithium reserves and the transfer of energy resource use from fossil fuels to electric. and so when you talk like that at gov 26, presumably they listened to you more. the oligarchs that are there, the big multi nationals. what was their reaction when you to i like that i would say 2 things. bolivia is the leader or of the like minded developing countries. we have a group there and we, we worked together. we have a unique position in the, in this meeting in the cop $26.00 position and everywhere we work together. that's why the developed countries are interesting to talk to us because we are living in those countries. i'm talking about china, i'm talking about india,

i'm talking about our countries and talking about many is south american countries . latin american countries that are following us. i mean, i say the leadership of, you know, all these countries in the list are the like minded, developing countries. this is our group and they know with them they, they, they know us. it's the 1st way and the 2nd and think that maybe they listen to us is that of course we are. the 1st is the service of late in the were and we are trying to end of july. and of course, that was one of there is one of the could at that in 2019 and help anybody here. yeah, i mean, the greatest story of the americans, edwardo galena said from diamond memorial, that natural resources have been a curse to countries in your region. tell me about the, the crew data. you know that the bars johnson, the government that they did not condemn the massacres of your people

when the crew happened. in fact, jeremy's call, been a british labor leader at that time was criticized for attacking the coo. well, you know, in bolivia we have 38 people dead in 2019 there are responsible for that. and there. yeah, you know, deep in bolivia, we're following it trials against those people that were involved in the program. and there are some on jailing, you know, in a trial process, normal trial process. and what the people involved here when i was in campaign, asked to me to do it is justice. justice doesn't mean a person, a persecution. it doesn't mean you know which hands whatever you want. know.

here the government of the credit that the government is coming from the could it, they say an ad supreme decree where they establish and they ask they are, and they m compulsory a says to the year in the army to go to the streets and go against the people that was in claiming for election, chantelle and things like that. so i mean, something is that somebody is responsible for these and that's why they are trials in bolivia. so whatever they, they come to, you know, do europe or united states, whatever. trying to say anything different is not true. i mean, well, i mean all along to the media reporting go over in a 2nd, but you been criticize the organization of african of american states. you

criticize with the european union to say, i just want to get on to britain though. what was the role of britain? because britain, we have reports, the british embassy and the buzz funded lithium consultation documents in 2019 the u. k. a. m. i 5 got our dark tre cybersecurity firm linked to the ca, 8 as before the crew was involved in different activities. reuters news agency, which historically has been associated with the intelligence agencies, worked with the u. k embassy in your country to train bolivian journalists just before the qu. what is britain's role in the qu, when? i mean, you know, many countries were involved in the credit of 2019. and now the research are showing that for example, democracy government in argentina,

mr. lenny moreno in ecuador did participated, you know, sending some weapons and some bullets to olivia. and that's completely true because in argentina we have a try there. you know, and nothing happened in a quite often. but we received from the old government, you know, at please given back all the weapons and, and that we gave it into in 2019. so that's why we, we, you know, we discover these kind of things. so every time, every, a moment that we receive a new report from research or form universities from international institutions like, you know, a human right and so on. we are, is even more information that we are processing. we are understanding what was going on. and of course, there are many strange things that happened at the time as you measure the

participation of the british embassy. there is research and of all if you also, you know, when the could the people who were in the beating trying to decide who is going to be the next president in that meeting a, the ambassador of brazil in bolivia was there was a brazilian bustle of the in, we have the, i'm of the, i believe your politicians, you know, even when boys who were coming from the crazy time, we don't have any, any proofs yet. but you know, you can use your imagination in order to understand what was going on, but slowly, slowly, but very clear. us the light in the darkness. no, no. everything will be clarified in the next months. next. yes. well, lennon moreno, of course, allowed the british police to capture julian sons from the ecuadorian embassy. i

know that he would say off the record, you know, we get pressure from the united states before you blame countries in, in the region as a president. i'll stop you there more from the president to bolivia after this short break. with for years we were told that the way to stimulate the economy was to print money. and then when it became obvious that printing money was actually causing economic decline and bank failure, or they had to come up with a narrative. and that was the green narrative, the narrative, the cop annual gathering narrative. and as you're pointing out, you're just switching chairs on the titanic, you're just going from one particular way to destroy the global economy using for

your money to a different way to destroy the global economy using the money. welcome back. i'm still here with the president to bolivia. louisa, what did you make of biden's actually blink and saying, he's very concerned about demo democracy in your country at the moment. what is the why did ministration? well, you know which of democracy, i mean, the north american democracy is concerned about, about the politicization of your legal system. and you know, when washington talks about countries, the south of the rio grande are what happens? well, i don't think that many, many thinks can be saved by by a united states. people are so about did immigrant. i seem believe the justice in

virginia or what i can say is that we won the election last year with 55 percent of the boats. and in, in bolivia, it to go to a vote process. it's compulsory. it's not lacking rights to states that you know, 10 percent 9 percent of people go to the elections or you win with 90 percent. but it's only 10 percent of population. in bolivia is a compulsory. everybody has to go to, to the boats to, to, to the elections, to vote. and i want with 555 percent of more than 50 percent of both. so, i mean, which is democracy. we can show them that there we are more democratic country than ever, you know, because we have more than 50 percent of the population. i backing as our government and thing about the justice, the justice, we haven't changed any anybody there. see in our government the same people

that managing the justice when dia credit that people were in the government, you know, is the same people that are managing the current justice in bolivia, within change in the judge. we didn't change anybody out of december the way that there were a processor me, i have more than 7. it tries against me when i was in campaign, you know, but no the same people is managing the justice. that is managing the tribes against all the people that were in the so what does, what does blinking mean? of course, he was an architect of the war on libya, africa's richest per capita country by virtue of its oil. we know what happens tomorrow. the nicaraguan elections, we see the united states tried to kill or take it obviously, and reports of attempts on the life of maduro in venezuela.

just tell her audience what your interior minister has been saying in recent days. edward dill castillo, horrifying news, arguably, are the same mercenary group group that murdered your in elmore, you say 80 attempted to kill. yeah. that's right. people who kill the oppression in haiti. there were in bolivia because it was traced to a miami group, the haiti assassination of the president. yes, they will in your case, what was it? how will trace we understand that that they wanted us, you know, not to, to be the, the, become the president. you know, they were doing everything at, even at the end of the last minute. they wanted to do something because they were not happy. what we have been in october last year when we want to elections. so

they decided to kill us. and they, they hired some people to do that, but fortunately, they couldn't do anything up to, you know, i was in the government. so we understand that they were trying to do something. i, fortunately nothing, nothing happened. you know, i was taking care of myself and all the people around me was taking care of me and nothing happened. but what we have already known about the essay attention, you know, was that the high people to kill us. and that's, that's what is going on on the media and do a website. so nothing to suggest that us intelligence was involved in any way though. well, all of these things, you know,

it's focusing on the former miniature of the friends that mrs. and you have. yeah, you mentioned brazil earlier, will bob resident both from her hand over fernando lopez. i understand he's in brazil at the moment. if indeed to, to answer the allegations that he tried to kill you. well, you know, he says he's not stuck in anything. there are many people of the government in brazil, you know, you know, so we will expect what happened in the trial because we understand that sooner or later, they had to come to libya and see, you know, something in the, in the tribes. they are, they are facing so we will wait g, aside from the lithium, the nato countries, one from you add. there are obviously vested all the god interest in bolivia, domestic and it's an extent,

well that's on the internal one. jeremy call been here and he came within a couple of 1000 votes of becoming prime minister here in britain amongst a very low media media campaign. he says, you prove that deal? liberalism can be turned around something that many people in the global south countries having that the probably discouraged but that principle. what is your bonus against hunger initiative that you've instituted in your countries? in my country, i'm only 30 percent of people have a salary, which is the 7th. the rest of the people it's, you know, they have a they, they work by themselves. so when the been demick can't came to bolivia in march last year. they only did quoting tina, you know, so everybody at home and many people that used to live

in the working day basis. they couldn't earn anything. so they to wear no money for many families, 70 percent of them. so they were hungry. they started to, you know, they say they started to get some loans, you know, in order to leave and that's why we decided to go to the hungry bone, which is a you know, a conditional transfer for everybody who don't have to wait a salary. and that's the way we are trying to increase the internal demand, because the pandemic, what has happened when has affected in the believe in economy is that you're going to have the month because nobody has money. now we get somebody like wars johnson

government did. here. i had a fellow furlow system, no, that radicals i'm be will way. what is radical though? obviously have been your taking back into democratic control. key industries from milk to i don't know which of water and certainly for why was it important to hand back? the us back qu, leaders was, you'd college in, in an years, 300000000 dollar i m f loan. why was it important to have? because the i'm, i wouldn't have allowed you to bring back on the democratic control. these industries know now, you know, even if it currently we will have a agreement with, i mean, we can broken any time as we did in 2006, when i was there, a miniature of economy or my country. we didn't have quint when during, during the eval marlisa presidency. we never had any agreement with the i m f

and we did it better in economy. and also at this time, i mean the i m f, the only the only principle that i am have has when you signed an agreement with them, is the conditions of the credit. not only because $300000000.00, you know, i opened the international market for believe. so i can go to the market, is your, for the me, the $1000000.00 us dollars, but it easily. now. so $300000000.00. it's not a huge money. you know, for us, the problem is right of a hotel room, you know, when you st. and agree with the i am if you have to follow all the requirements, all the conditions. and one of the condition, very important condition that was in the agreement was, did bolivia has to evaluate the exchange rate. i mean, you have to move the exchange rate. and that was the problem for us. you know,

not only, you know, you have to sell to sol, how tall you are in public enterprises, which is, you know, coming back to the night is in my country, privatized. privatizing, you know, but also the most important thing for us is that, you know, the economy policy again where we go to the i m of hands and we don't, we're not agree. we don't agree with that, but it's sister organization. the world bank came to always say, we've learned the i m f and will bank. i've learned from the mistakes of impoverishing the global south in hundreds of millions of people over decade. i would say one thinks of what they say. another thing is what they do. a retail, castro famously said he should kick the m f out earlier. and, and i think you mentioned cuba in your un general assembly speech in recent days. how with regard to sanctions, you know, what happens to countries that oppose the, the great economists of the international monetary fund would,

would bolivia be able to cope with sanctions or is just the lithium protect you from sanctions? because the whole world, once lithium, they're now either fix, i mean, for a, the cuban problem. they are, sometimes we understand they are doing badly, not because of the social is in there. because of, you know, the, the, the problem they are facing that nobody can trade than work with them. the blockades, the blockade. that's the problem. because that is the reason why they are not developing as fast as they need to do. i mean, as i said, you've talked about, i mean, the organization of american states, 60 percent of the money comes from the usa. they, well, you lead to invalidate your democratically elected leadership. what, what is the role of alber? and can it be worked with in the shanghai cooperation organization to oppose these

new liberal organizations? what. what about these trends that we have to enhance our you know, since 2019 were reserved for liquidity in bolivia. i think we were at least, you know, i'd have to explain what elbow is always a britain is leaving a big trade group like with breaks it. but what you might have to tell us what alber is, why it's important. it's very important because we're kind of together, we can corporate each one each other. i mean, there are many advantages to be in algebra, not only for olivia, for been israel level q or what, but also for all the small islands that we have that belong to the algebra in the caribbean ocean. i mean, in the can see, sorry. so, you know, i think there are many things that we can work together. we can do together and

receive results. dan, going along. i mean, that's the idea. of course, we knew that for them where we can, you know, communicate. we can discuss some word problems that can affect to all our countries. and i was just finally, it's a terrible, terrible question in a way. maybe we ask you on going underground when we ask questions of people who oppose new neoliberalism. if something does happen to you will the movement for socialism body have other people to lead in bolivia. it is a serious question given we've seen assassinations just in the past few months. yeah. i mean, i, i have, we have a party the vice president who's doing well, but also we have young people like the president of the snake. like our just president of the deputy care assembly as well. i mean,

there are some many young people that are coming, you know, be higher. sure about them. all right, well korea was on our show recently. promoted marina. well, i can't say anything about it. but in the case of the m. m a symbol e b m a. i understand that we help people following, i mean there are people, i'm not only the only one that could recover the democracy in bolivia and recover all the government. i think we have people that we can trust, you know, in the same way, you know, with the same place supposed to submit. it ology and i mean, i don't see any problem. and i think they know because we're trying now to to prepare more young people for the coming days. we need more leaders. we need a tentative for the democratic or for the democracy and the for democratic

a internal elections as well. president luis asset. thank you. thank you. that's over the show from the believe in embassy in london. we're back on monday until then. keep in touch with us by all social media. subscribed in general on youtube. see those? ah ah ah ah mm.

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