ah, well controls of people plan parity is we chosen as the guiding priorities of the plan to enroll one of the 1st person gathering some global leaders in condemning truck while the piece is great. is that bumper sticker? is it realistic? in terms of social and economic policy generally prioritize the health of the planet while also delivering its people into prosperity. well, to discuss it now joined by john kirsten professor political science at the university of toronto and director of the g 20 research group. those are kristen, it's good to talk to you. thank you very much for taking the time to meet with you . ok center. i know that on the eve of the 20 some if you think wide optimistic about its prospect. and if i understood your rationale correctly, you're essentially argued that the severity of the challenge is that the mental it

is have to deal with doesn't leave them my choice either down to rural on that, please. and to get down to work today. in bottles i, i, you just as a bit about the results of these gathering as you were on the eve of it. yes i am. i had predicted that it was on track to deliver a significant performance. at the end, i concluded by that in fact it had that significant performance overall was made up of the 3 big priorities that the leaders i had to act on and that they did. the 1st of course, as you mentioned was people. and that was all about saving lives from colvin 19. in a world where covered 19 is as we speak,

at least $5000000.00 people and cost many trillions of dollars. and the big sand promise there was to vaccinate 70 percent of the world's people by the end of next year. that's a credible commitment. even though the numbers in the end, we will and the other 2 fees as well. with this one, they definitely made commitments, but the question is whether they made those commitments before you know, and the previous various interactions. but as things that now there are still no mutual recognition of vaccine. so let's say me a girl from russia despite being fully vaccinated by the homemade. maxine, i will not be my house status will not be recognized in your, in your country of canada and the same applies for you as well. so surely talked

a great deal about that here with the people that they have, they actually deliver it. you're right in that russia is a real problem with only about one quarter of the people i'm fully a vaccinated for a number of reasons. i, including the exceptional of vaccine, hesitancy within the russian federation of globally, amongst the 7000000000 people. i was encouraged by a, in the wrong community, was not only the, a specific. i'm a promise. i think another piece, chronus i, but we did have a unilateral promises from some tea countries about how many donations and doses they would produce and deliver by the end of next year. and here the biggest one always from india, and we know it's got the production capacity. it promised 5000000000.

now you put that against the 7000000000 people on the planet. and it's a major step forward. yeah. now and then the credit for that promised to be to cure it. there seems to be a lot of pee this evening, but for that to be realized that they have to deliver certain financial support. and me for this promise, this before the for a year ago we heard them 2 years ago and name this promise is that still remain when they are promised this? well, i'm sure things on that come up a year ago. we had some countries said japan, for example, didn't have doses promise dollars to cover, but even a fall that got the dollars, there were no doses to buy anywhere. there was a global shortage. now we have

a global cert plus come in the rich g 7 countries of the vaccines that everybody wants, the 5 years in the journals and even know now being approved. so we have the supply, it's simply a way of getting them to other countries that need them and then going the last mile because there's a vaccine hesitancy, a very poor health infrastructure to deliver them in so many places, afghanistan, 80, and so on. but by the end of next year, i think we can do it and hit the 70 percent target. now don't end up in making like a rather bile or let's say i'm a logically motivated question, but i don't mean i don't mean it started. but we know very well that many developed

countries, including canada right away. who are the diagnosis of faxes you now you say that there is an over supply now, but if i'm not mistaken, canada has contract is 4 times as many of those as, as it passed people, while many countries in africa, vaccinate oakland, to administer a single shot to, to that people is this readiness to share really go through from the bottom of the car, from the genuine care for that people are simply from, you know, your own needs being fully satisfied. and now you have to deal with the over supply of those work scenes. and of course, if you don't need them, why, why can't you share them with, with those who need them? yeah, good question. canada, i like many countries of a, not the russian federation could not produce vaccines of its own. so it had to all buy them from other countries. and at the beginning, you didn't know which ones would actually work. so by the canadian government

bought foreign times is 50, hoping that tom or one of them would work or 2 would work and they'd get 50 percent of each of the deliveries. so on time, then problem we now face is that come countries, whichever surplus are saying a know, we want to do a 3rd dose to our most vulnerable people. so we don't have any to spare on the whole candidate is not on there yet. but we still have to make sure that the a delta plus variant doesn't spread from the united kingdom, which is being ravaged by it, into other countries. so like canada and the united states. so it's not a sure bad, but on the whole a, it is something we can do when broader point behind all of this is a,

my group monitors the compliance of all g, 20 members with their commitments. they made a thorough last summit. the last one was in riyadh, saudi arabia, november 2020 but had been commitments. so are on precisely this. and what we have found is that a year later, on the eve of the rome summit countryside complied. an unprecedentedly high level, 85 percent. so finally, the g 20 summit are making the commitments that really count promises may promises count and i'm optimistic that because that great shock of cold it is still with us. i think we'll get high compliance with the wrong commitments on cobra 2. and i wonder if none of the apps side,

so they are very tragic situation. is that, wow, this whole pandemic clearly magnify some of the long existing inequalities in the world. i think it also sorta provided additional agency and energy for those who are on the shore and all the sort of the stick. and by that i mean that many of the african countries have been waiting and waiting on the developed world to deliver those promise vaccines. some of them are now developing those vaccines on that own. we see more and more trade on the local level. people are finding, you know, that calling in very, very unusual places. so i wonder if you know, if one of the seller linings, or the current when damage is the disadvantage becoming less dependent on the privilege, at least when it comes to the level of nation states. i think that's great insight

. and here we have to go back to one of the most successful g 20 summit that was in st. petersburg in september 2013. we're the 1st time q 20 leaders promise not a strong, sustainable and balanced growth, but inclusive growth growth for everyone. but they were in many ways, just words until the coven epidemic pandemic made it very a real. so an early stage we did see some countries donating vaccines. are russia to neighbors, china, to and finally of the united states in big volume as well. but now we're already seeing the rich countries of the g 20 actually provide practical support for domestic manufacturing in different countries in africa

and further were commitments were made at the rome summit. that's one of the reasons i'm optimistic because by the time we get to the end of next year, it won't be just importing them from india. it will be making them out within south africa, and it can send it to it african neighbors as well. now that brings me back to the question i posed in the very beginning of our conversation, whether people, planet prosperity is just a nice combination of course, or whether one can realistically count on protecting the planet by. # also delivering all his people not just to 65 or 64 percent that beside the 20 countries, but all of its people into prosperity while dealing with steel. rapidly mutating virus with bowling incomes are rising. bunch of deficits

are all the other problems that need to be multiplying, even realistic. i understand that fraction of this moment, but do you think it's supported by data that could be done? ah, i'm optimistic about what rome can do if we turn to prosperity. for example, one of the brig breakthroughs was an agreement by the better off countries of the g 20 to channel, to give their share of 2 thirds of a trillion dollars just created at the international monetary fund. that's about $350000000000.00. and give some of it to the poorest countries in the world, the poorest again, we go back to working for the bottom, one percent of the global community and not just the top one percent. and

that the g 20 summit to we saw several countries step up and made that real a. canada was one of them. others on to. but um, china has also, even though it still says it's a developing country head of the a g $77.00 plus a china to is just said that it would channel some of its new sd ours. they're called but it's so real bunny to the poorest countries in the world isn't enough. uh huh. no, they have to do more on debt relief before the poorest. but some signs they, i know it actually a will do more than if that summit had never taken place. and another one, if i could just and prosperity here. they finally introduced

a revolutionary new tax regime. so the richest multinational companies in the world will finally have to start to pay taxes to the governments of the countries in which they make their money. and those are poor high trish as well as ah, rich ones. dr. great, and we have to take a very short break right now, but they will be back to the discussion in just a few moments here. ah . is your media reflection of reality? ah, in the world transformed what will make you feel safer?

high selection, whole community. are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? which direction? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend, ah, to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah, the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interests. while you see in this, these techniques is the state devising methods to essentially destroy the personality of an individual. by scientific means. this is how one doctor's theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological

interrogation, psychological torture, the ca, disseminated within the u. s. intelligence community and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. been down to victim say they still live with the consequences today. oh hm. mm hm. well the quite a bit, john, kristen, director of the plans here research group for the break. we talked a lot about that people, we touched on the on the 2nd p, o prosperity. now let's talk about this 3rd key, which is the plan. now i come from

a country who should i think is valid being a strong mistrust, a scientific expertise, especially when it comes to climate change. i think not even climate change, but climate policy. i think that would be more precise and i think many people in moscow see the latest energy crisis as a prime example of how expensive and realistic could be. well, why staff that use ideology, even a green ideology or so it analysis. i would like to ask you as a major research, do you think some of those about skepticism it's valid for when i look at i'm on the screen and is approach on into the room summit end of the glasgow summit on climate change. i don't see any

ology. i see that he like me now understands that there's only one real existential threat to all living things on the planet. you know, in both of us, grew up, but it was nuclear war. now it is a climate change. so what i would focus on is his recognition of that scientific reality. and we do have to remember that russia still has in many fields. so the best scientists in the world. and when it comes to any of the countries down that something is happening, it's not, as i said about climate change, but rather what to do about it. what is the best, the most mission, the most um, you know, efficient they, and they said way of dealing with specifically whether it's with transition to the

renewables is advisable or even safe. at this point of time, i bring it back to the current energy crisis, which was a in par, drawn by the, by the low wind generation in the u. k. that certain political decisions made in europe about gas and oil. do you think they call for amy, caution, or should be or go full speed hack into substituting fossil fuels with renewables as soon as possible? oh yes we should am. you're quite right tom, but now that mr. trump is gone, we have no climate deniers at the table, but some wonder about what mister ball scenario. brazil still believes in his heart and soul and whether he believes in it enough to in

countries that still depend on cola south africa. whether we have to move into renewables on the fast and on our renewables where we get the power. i think what we have to do, and we're starting to see it, is gone beyond the traditional on wind and on the solar. after all, are russia like it? it is a cold, dark country, but we also have some of the longest coastlines in the world. so that means not only offshore wind, wave power, title, power, totally predictable, and many other forms of our renewables are to including nuclear power. which i think we, i have traditional energy source, let's see. and some people in the western will not consider it as a, as a clean energy source. ah, nuclear. yes,

germany and japan with their very distinctive history. going all the way back to the 2nd world war. but here on the french are right, or the arithmetic says, we've gotta keep the existing nuclear plants on, we have until they and reach the end of their a lifetime. we just can't afford to shut them off. well, you just said a moment ago that we shouldn't just bags, we focus on the solar and we can keep it. or they try it for a moment because if we can do the whole production chain from, you know, rare materials, you know, producing accumulators to them, recycling, everything that is last, it's a pretty energy intensive and dirty process at this point of time and many developed countries preferred outsource that production on to the other part of the

world. don't you think it's slightly hyper critical to that lady about saving the planet? and so sort of outsource the dirtiest part of it on to your neighbors. i do, but one of the good things about the next generation of our renewables is almost all g. 20 countries have oceanic a sea coast. all can do geothermal power in the form of heat pumps are stored on hydro and many other things. so that's the next to renewables or revolution we need, but on the bigger point of sending dirty industries abroad, that's clearly why it's an old problem. we need a single set of rules. and in north america, canada facial the problem. we have a single national price on carbon or friends in the united states don't. so will

the dirty industry is move there and then pump their products into canada because we have a free trade agreement with them. and russia, of course, faces the problem even without a free trade agreement with the european union, with a single national price on carbon. so we do need to get a hold of this problem. and the 220 starting to before we have a big trade war. even if we need some common rules here, i want to can, can you agree on those rules? because even if you look at the latest, i'm at in rome. first of all rushing china graphs, and i think one of the reasons they were asking was because they simply don't agree with the way western power stance. you know, many if you a, the climate change issue and that's my personal opinion. i but i'm entitled to it. and 2nd law, if you look at, for example, and joe biden, you know, and i mean grown with water heater and, and mission car numbering,

i think 85 we goes on boys johnson taking at private jazz to get from london to glasgow while also fuming about the environmental impact on commercial aviation and why what have you. i mean that, that kind of looks like, you know, this is a subject to, you know, treat, but not necessarily to practice. well i blame my, you know, on mosque for not getting transit and buying on electric kessler, i knew about it and then biden is it really experienced basement and he can, if he cares about the class, he could have tighten up his entourage a little bit here maybe, you know, from a 5 cars, maybe to, let's say 30 that would save the planets. i'm environmental impact, but it's not. i don't think the difference between 60 cars is going to be

consequential. and i think the image, the president, tessa said from his are real policies. i gave a real substance to his claim for environmental leadership, the united states, his body mean by real substance uses 85 high mission cars. and you say about the need to present the planet shoot, you start out. i mean, americans have this expression been boss, stop here, some key chain back. you know, he's on behavior ah, cutting a u. s. emissions by 52 percent by 2030 and net 0. by 2050, if only the other arctic traditional superpower would accept those numbers on the world would be much better off because they are in the top tier of climate polluters. so the real problem doesn't lie in the white house in washington, if

a law lives in the congress where a lot of the republicans on, inspired still by donald trump, are seeking to destroy him. because they're a great guru. donald trump really still doesn't believe in climate change. so i think all of the other members of the g. 20, you know, russia, the china, we have a common problem inside the congress of the united states. you mentioned another b r c power. i assume it's russia and you know, the recent position on climate change is that we definitely should be dealing with it by improving energy efficiency and developing more sustainable sources of energy including nuclear power, including hydro power, including natural gas, is a way to go. i'm russian says that it's sort of capacity,

huge absorption capacity. now this idea in forest also should be taken into account . do you think that this claim is justified per decade? i think one of the great problems in the global governance for climate change is everybody has focused on the sources of emissions up, you know, energy and forgotten about the power of the sinks that absorb them that shut on down. so finally on the you're quite right. we have seen the world talk to for a super powers. that's the russian federation and canada. get their partners along with help from other friends, including the united states. i to agree. they now stood at glasgow just the other day to stop deforestation 9 years from

now. so those trees can continue to absorb massive amounts of greenhouse gas emissions in our room that she 20. they finally agreed to plant our tree and freeze to start to replace all those we've all lost. now there's more that the 2 countries could do. canada and rush, we are the world's talk to super power is not only in for us, but in pete lans and pete lands absorb much more carbon than even our forests to show. i'm waiting for that g 20. it didn't that wrong, but maybe at glasgow the un well to discover the power of our peep lambs and save them to wow. let's see how it goes. it would be very interesting, your fresh and kind of that with each other, i suppose. do something like that,

but also for the benefit of the planet. and it's people who are in diapers guarantee. so miss occurred and we have to leave it there. but thank you very much for being with us today. always the pleasure and thank you for watching hope to see you again next week and will depart, ah with mm ah

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