ah, ah ah, ah, ah, ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered, i'm funeral about well, it's official. the u. s. military has declared the great 3 powers competition featuring the u. s. russia and china. how does neal liberal ideology play into this? and what does russia gate and genuine 6 i'm in common? ah.

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan samuel, we in budapest, he's a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bob and she is a political analyst and editor at, in a me, internet, media project card gentleman crossed up rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it. ok, let's go to moscow here. on the magic general milly came out with a speech that startled the establishment, but really shouldn't have is, there is a new tried polar trilateral world, and it's russia, china, and the united states. and, but what i took away from it is it's, you know, it's not really that it's kind of a bipolar or bipolar point or something like that because he's assuming that these are 3 discrete powers that are in competition with each other, which is not the case ok, what is he getting at go head?

well, i think there is no objective, physical reason or confusion because russia has been very accommodating the mind. is you paid for 1000. i mean all the russian, all field gas fields, they're all but you know, there was a growing. busy married and we're welcome to china will do more income and date since the late seventy's was the chief chinese labor. the problem of success that we have seen in the mind is that so the reasons for these are the conference and it's just funny to see how the state is trying to make russia in china. or, i mean there was a logical charm. i chose culture in that, in the 440, which was headline gentle. how can we,

how can we make russia and moral shame? and the story is that we are actually in china, diverge, and there was 2 reasons. object. 2 reasons for rivalry. when was rivals for very simple reason with you will, you can develop without each other. and there is a common rent. i mean the, the studio stage 1st the problem, you know, a crazy you want to or china with no reason. now, why did it all and sample was one degrees, you know, even increase in weight and your family don't. democracy is the one down, but it's really a china and russia and then by the end of the chinese are the russian

when you well, the reason why this, why the station there with that have been playing in rush in china or seems. and we don't want to be when we want real, real good rate. i mean you dial, but that's what milly wants. so by the way, george, we're going to have a lot of fun with the democracy conference coming up. there's a lot of room for mockery there. but we'll save that for another day. george, i mean, milly's words are kind of interesting. he's a very silly man, but it looks on the one hand, on the one hand, there's an acknowledgement. finally, he's been russia, china are great powers. it took a long time, but it's there. but then on the other hand, this is the, the, the, the paradigm for the new cold war. and we need a lot of arms for it. you know, so you got a buckle up in brace for impact, you know,

because the arm is it producing industry, you're going to be really busy. go ahead. george. yes, no question. because you also said a couple of days earlier off of this aspen conference and then there's a split new moment. china has now reached the side on the missiles and therefore. busy you know, the united states will have to go into overdrive in order to catch up and overtake china because everyone knows what school need moment means. it's a massive investment in military, in sciences, research and everything, which is what happened to the, the shock of the soviet though, i mean, this is clearly, i mean, it is healthy that the united states accepts that there are other great powers that have their own. busy interests that may or may not come into conflict with the interests of united states. i mean,

it has always been the us and there's no reason to be particularly horrified by this event. the question is, what does the united states intend to do about this? and, you know, if one passes the words of mil, it suggests that well the united states has to take on these great power rivals because we just don't go on living with the existence of great power i was. and acknowledging the interest of these great and really the, the, the, the issue is also that russia and china are really not rivals at all. i mean, they basically are, are, you know, the fact the. busy allies, i mean the not military allies, but they are each of their foreign policy interest in foreign policy positions on most issues in the world. they are in agreement and then russia and china had been brought to this very close partnership. that's the result of the united states. you just as you know, kind of a mutual still lived into both both threatened by the united states. they have

grown increasingly goes together. so nice. it's kind of finds it. so someone isolated with facing this are very substantial long and demon b. again, you know that we can bring up a new cold war paradigm, but on china's and nominally a communist country is run by a communist party. but it doesn't want to export its ideology, unlike during the 1st cold war. russia, well, it's just a conservative country out there interested in its own self interest here. but how, how, how it is american exceptionalism play in this. because i'm the one hand, you know, you're just said, you know, there's a finally, a reckoning, a recognition. finally, it took a long time that there are other great powers. ok, but the, there they're not this, these 3 great powers are not the same for the u. s is very intend to export i the

ology rules based order and all that other nonsense here. and that's what for me, makes it dangerous because the, that russia, basically it's a status quo power is, you know, why don't you let us alone and develop on our own china that is not looking for a quarrel with the united states, though you wouldn't believe that from liberal media or on media in the united states. so this american exceptionalism, again, is a, is a break rational thinking, in my opinion, go ahead team. well, make an exception. wait here and the scroll is very, i mean, what would you be doing in the united states? the m relations with china? there is, by the way, there is, for example, need to have the last go you why the old find china important over an oil form. good. and you have your right from my end, ribeiro you, while the train you or you there was, you know,

it's a, it's a huge wearing your with being that you have a chinese very core file or 100 percent. great choice, but you're quite right here. if i know how they are out there, liberal ideology, technology. why did it take so much time for tonight is the day trying to has been growing rich, you know, the last 40 years, right. why don't, you know, will be us. there will be 3 be represented by intellectuals and was done by some of all the stuff if you get reach, you get all of this stuff, the american demographic that we're just arguing. what will happen when they, when they get 5000 goals. and one was, it was, it was,

you know, because you have maybe reached which to accept american values. and you have maybe just to see that spoke to the government. so basically. busy you know, blame it is i do apologize for that is blaming china. oh, ground good became so rich. and how come you gently best a girl you're not supposed to do so you are supposed to last for us. so we have the, you know, kind of get, you know, of, you know, make noted your mistakes, if this operating for your old, you painted or are fancy yet, it ends in china. it's all this. i go to school, it's all the house. you know, it's a government the china is iraq in so, you know,

also the syria is there us, that's a band aid and a no charge. i mean, when you're, if, if anyone uses a nikki haley is a rep for it's one of the lowest los octane thinkers that we've come across in our lifetime doctor and being a foreign policy expert here. i mean, the demons absolutely right here. i mean, it seems to me that i go back to the more kind of nuts and bolts thing. i mean, this ideology is the service a very specific, narrow interest. i mean, this is a good grift ahead. ok. i mean, i lost it in afghanistan. got to make it up here someplace. ok, i mean shareholders are asking ok, and of course it plays to the american exceptionalism a paradigm. and as you pointed out, you know, the u. s. s a stand up to me through it or to, i mean it's, and you know, it's a wonderful narrative that you can beat the masses. ok, as, as, as you know, with, with these mom bills, the biden is as putting through congress, you know,

congress who actually passing and it just makes the rich richer. and it's a streaming of the middle class even more. but don't worry, we've got to fight the good fight. i mean, this isn't ridiculous. go ahead, george. yes, yes, this is an excellent point because it is a logical fight that the biden administration in particular wants to wait. because a trump really was the 1st president who had brought up the issue of trying a me when you 1st of all had the whole cold war paradigm. china's great because china is on our side against the soviet union, even though china was then in the midst of this cultural revolution. but they all great and then good guys because i went outside and that went from quite a while because it was still. busy a grade below that it was russian, and you can see that manifested in the expansion of nato. and then i think, you know, right, you know, with trauma and weight, china is now a serious economic rival. i mean, it,

it will be the number one economy in the world, but trump made this into a non media logical company. i mean, he was taking on everybody who's of economic interest class for those of the united states with vitamins done, brought back to the cold war aspect to it, which is china's e d. a logical rival. chinese somehow waging some sort of a flight project. they've got an american idea that waging a flight of b r a. we're going to go, we're going to go to a short break, but george's, right. that's why they got rid of. for those reasons. exactly. all right, we're going to go to a short break break. we'll continue our discussion on some real stay. oh, well, a piece a

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i asked my guess what they would like to talk about and they send me suggestions and demon george, most of the suggestions and the topic they're at hand right now is george's suggestion. what, how can we correlate together? what, or what does russia gate and january 6 mom narratives have in common georgia because you haven't such a fascinating thesis. go ahead. well, because what we learned this week through the indictment that was issued against the ego done jenko, who was the source for the crystal steel dossier, which was a hollow, the russian gate. folks was there from start to finish. every item, if russia gate was invented by american operatives of clinton, campaign oper gives democratic party operatives. and then of course, the contribution of the various people in the f b i the cia gave it credibility,

gave it oxygen launched a massive investigation. that was that the special counsel and what happened was the complete d, legitimize ation all the presidential election 2016. and so it was mouse was presented in the media over and over again. several years truck became president through the assistance of the russians. the kremlin gave up in post trump on the united states. we now know there was no russian in whatsoever in washington. now that was 0, it was all american, but it was a hose that you know, this political purpose, which was basically to get a trump administration never really recovered from the blows. busy busy of russia gate constantly struggling to impeachment of special counsel investigation as on the january. the 6th thing is also host. i mean,

we know really the outlines of what happened was most of the school progress. it was something went wrong. it became a riot, wasn't particularly serious, right? all it was restored within a few hours. nonetheless, the media in alliance with the democratic party. and again in alliance with the f. b on these characters within the, by the ministration of with this up into some rig, a sold on the american democracy, a game of d, legitimizing the opposition, which is wrong when it's the same characters a both it's one was you know, an outside adversary meddling inside american politics, that narrative, and now we have the same characters that are targeting well essentially half the population. i don't exactly know the media. it's the same thing, but it's a,

it's really the same paradigm. it just has, what is the domestic features to it? ok, d ma, your thoughts here because this is that this is the same, a leach trying to pull a pull off a narrative that is completely contrived and it is in service of power. ok. and what is a, it's a way to annihilate, not into question, but to a nicely your political adversary. i had i got up so i would use the, what year? i mean, what was the purpose of this whole. busy russian gave you what was the outcome was cost for count, and they going to which the, i guess the russian eat, basically long only rich people rush up. i'm also going to be wherever, in a way, any connection be targeted by casa the same story with in

a way that women are in a way genie date. russia, russia was, this was science that i use the same story with john on a seemingly s that actual but these were all when they asked i absolutely floored by the punishments were so severe the language use them was so or style that in fact, i think the in can people, i mean, don't you try to think about it as the, as the problem is that all these stories are based on a lie. i mean, the nice, well finding out really just the magazine, bro, the lines that we're going to do a lot, the more you know. and if you do the way roddicks,

if right now, just a few days ago, there was, there is a dodge for rules that for you own us where you know, on us there were no extra the guys were present. well, the whole russia gave this. you got a dungeon in the story about drug and the russian ross did use agency. you are an angel him in a morsel office. you know that the american media urinate or go up there for several years. the language that you was was so rude, so force, and it was based on the lives of just one individual either and maybe then jenko is a product, probably a pretty creepy character. i don't know him personally, but i mean he, he did what he was asked to do. he was asked to do apo research and you know,

to get your paycheck, you got to push the envelope there, you know, coming in maybe a little bit more, a little bit more spicy. ok, a doesn't get them, i'll get him on it. i will just say very with. busy hans, monkey very well, here's what we're going to advise is each the story. dungeon feeds the story cuz you steal things in the story because you still have it for them yet. and then we have 3 years old wise. that is what it. oh, okay, but let me go back to george here been the, the, the interesting thing for me is that i'm going to wait with you and i talked to the gaggle about the virginia election. but you know, the default position for the liberal media is january 6th. i think the border, january, 6th, vaccines, january 6. okay. this is exactly what russia gave was. it was a default position. ok, and they can, so at any opposition is deem interaction is here. this is what they're doing. i

mean, not only is a very destructive, but they, they don't allow any other and they don't allow any interactive because if you disagree, well, of course in your racist ok, this is, this is a closed loop narrative just like russia gate go ahead. yes. yes, no question, and purpose of rushing it was boys delegitimize and ultimately destroy the trump residents and in many ways it succeeded. but that's what january the 6th of january . the 6th is the, the go to position of the democrats, every failure of the administration. well, let's talk about january the 2nd and, you know, we know the outcome of this. i mean, eventually that january, the 6th committee will issue report, it will undoubtedly say trump a version an insurrection. and then the overthrow of the legitimate government. though the united states, he must be impeached with a view to ensure that you never again office in the united states. that's the go.

and then this is, this will happen. i mean, i, i still think that will be a so impeachment of trump before on the mid terms, you know, and this is, you know, the way you operate with hopes and that's why it's important to know the same characters are involved in both biden low c obama, and they're all in on it because they never really paid a price for russia gate. they're able to just simply continue as before, without any challenge. i have to say george, but i mean, over throwing a democratic elect, the less doesn't all around the world, but don't do it. no, no, no. but the, the interesting thing is now that we're on it, and this, this whole regime change paradigm that they, they can jam is incorrect. united states, the same player to bring the regime change playbook. what this ukraine is the most

outstanding one in recent memory here. but they're, they're applying a lot of the same strategies just focusing on maggie people and people that are in trumps or, but i mean, it's really quite remarkable. it's an a template that apparently can be imported. go ahead. well, i mean we have so many here, party story is almost asian to the why the biggest media guy. they do this for, for the posing bar. and then the right to reason, the biggest best way to to do the same thing. they just, they predicted and the in the 9 years, 5 years, or basically the same thing. right? you know, by the units are the same story away as you bring

a peaceful road yield a police and lame hundreds of them. they are you, you know, because all the way they should be all said all day or your bosses. and basically what it does is do they and the parliament and saw them did the different ways for obvious reasons. you know, because they were in the congress, one of these people as far as i understand that there august my number out there were hold for the road. i'm somehow in your brain, if you're roy and the criminal and these people i'm glad you bringing up the the, the, the utter contradictions. here,

george ashley babbitt. i mean, if you want liberal media, she's demonize as a terrorist, and armed woman, a veteran f, someone like a 100 pounds and 5 foot 3. she's demonized as a terrorist that could have potentially who knows like a terminator taken out the floor of congress. i mean, this is absurd. and then the officer that murdered her and i think the word murdered her is, is turned into a hero. last 30 seconds. got a huge or i 2nd, this is exactly parallel between january the 6, then rush against the real clear criminals of russia gave a seal co, me, mccade, all the people who gave oxygen and you knew that this was a hoax. i've gone on punish. and here actually bad, it was mother in cold blood and woman and the guy who did it a police on who shopping that he close range without any warning, he sales

a hero. so that's a saying, you know, the real criminals are the true crimes were committed, well that they've done and punished i where everyone else has had to suffer when in russia they do at lynn. roger. busy so what didn't do anything, well have some of the reputations and at the same people that are doing it here, all right, that's all the time you want to think. my guess you're in moscow like watching this here are next time remember? ah ah ah, when i was showing wrong when i just don't want you to see how the scene becomes african and engagement

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