this is james when we get the rest, the 7 years. still at the $75.00, kaiser court. ah, ah. hello and welcome to crosstalk. were all things considered? i'm peter lavelle. it would seem with every passing day were allowed to openly discuss fewer in keyword topics. the events on capitol hill on january 6th is one of them. what happened that day is a 3rd rail. was it a riot or an insurrection? even asking, this is inflammatory. it shouldn't be. ah! cross stocking. january 6, i'm joined by my guess my like abdel in washington,

he is a g. p strategist in atlanta. we have robert patello. he is a civil rights attorney and a radio host. and in new orleans we cross o'brien, thrasher. he is a former of trump administration advisor, an author of laws and sausage. you never want to see either one get made or a gentleman cross stock rolls in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. now is appreciate was go to washington dc. first money. why? why do we have this very, very poll. the rising, are competing narratives. january 6 was a riot. january 6 was an insurrection. why the difference go ahead? i think a lot of that obviously has to do with donald trump, the 4 years that preceded or 3 and a half or so years there preceded the riot. ah, well, if you that i think what happened is, is that the democrats, they want to actually manufacture something. and in this case, they thought that insurrection sounded appropriate. unfortunately, according to the director of the f, b i and our nation's attorney general, they don't use the term insurrection to refer to what happened on january 6th. and

this is something that they said, this is that me thing this, this is actually something that they said in congressional testimony, when democrats actually asked whether or not it was an insurrection, and both of them said that it's not an if it's not an appropriate term to use because it actually has technical, legal, compound implications. so no, it wasn't an insurrection, but what they did say, according to the f, b i a definition is that they want describe it as an act of domestic terrorism. we can go back and forth and debate whether it's even de risk domestic terrorism. but what we know, according to jo biden's own federal government, this does not fit the description of an insurrection at this point. okay, so robert, react to that because it, my reaction to be is that using the word insurrection is just the political cudgel . i mean, in the worse, the better. and what it is, is the taint tens of millions of people because they voted for donald trump, or didn't like joe biden here. i mean, it, it, this seems a bit over re chair,

but that's why you're here to explain why i'm wrong and you're right. go ahead, my friend robert o think is very clear under reach. i think democrats delivered or job of explaining, certainly a how important this evening was and how serious this attack on democracy was, wasn't an insurrection in for recham. i'm kind of sounds like this idea of the old worst of a bunch of people getting off horseback and breaking away from their local government . this was a very meticulously planned attack on our democracy and attempt to overthrow overturn the results of 2020 luncheon. the weekend or democratic republic as a, as an exec. let's look at other examples. one, this has happened in history. 1933 to bureau put where you had a hitler organized people to try to overthrow the rice. doug. let's look at one more leaving storms. busy capital will his troops are those orders and the a fast regime there. so this idea of, or somehow it was just a riot, right?

is, don't have people bust in from around the country, right. don't have one we're gonna do is opening gates and allowing along the people to break in the capital, right? so the federal government failing to respond when a tech on their own capital. so i think instead of demonizing going after the individuals, you know, the school teacher or the, or the salon owner, so on and so forth. or part part of it caught up in those are we still haven't got into the money behind to pay for the people to come there who paid for the buses will pay for the hotels. how do you go into the g? i think government, how many congress members were involved in the planning and execution of that the people who are getting towards around the capital. well, the capital close to the future to the future of people try to over the government . and also, what were the end of the group, what they had seen, what would have happened that we were having stopping in the county of the electoral votes? we would have had a new president not be sworn in and potentially having some prices with carter g for girl banana republic. something insurrection is

a downplaying of what actually happened and wanting to talk about the individual and the problem chain and not simply to people when ok, let me go to brian. and so robert just made it parallel to the protestors on that day to fascism i and hitler was brought up. mussolini was brought up. these people were protesters at the very, very least. they were some very bad apples there. none of them were armed apparently, and only a civilian was killed. ashley babbitt, which we will talk about later. again, i mean, no evidence has been proven that this was meticulously planned for violence. was it planned to protest? yes, certainly it was. it's, it's, it's legal to protest. go ahead, brian. well, that were all in agreement that there was no insurrection in the no congressional democrats using that word because it, in their own focus groups, it tends to, it tends to stoke a lot of passion among their base, even though their base, most of them don't know with the definition of insurrection really is,

there's never been an insurrection in history. there were no weapons that the only people that were killed was people part of the insurrection, not who they were trying to quote unquote, over growth. so i agree with a lot of with robert to said other than the fact that there was absolutely no attempt to overthrow the government. that's another misnomer. that's another just false statement made without any evidence. there, there was no attempt to return the election results. deep lecture results were overturned on election night in the days following when several states, when they saw that donald trump was ahead in states that the between the bathrooms in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, they simply stopped counting. and they said we're going to stop counting for the night. but then all of a sudden, these miraculous ballads that were in the facebook funded dropbox is around the country, showed up in the middle of the night, 100 percent of which were votes for joe by the no down ticket votes mark on these ballots whatsoever. just straight up job id vote showed up in the middle of the night and all of

a sudden he takes the lead miraculously in these states. so we saw the overturning of an election on an election in the days following on january 6. would these people, these protest or what they wanted was they wanted vice president mike pence who was overseeing the session of congress to, to count electoral votes to have to have the states allowed to. ready challenge the results because it's very obvious now 1011 months later that joe biden did not get 81000000 votes, and he can't even get all the votes he needs and congress to pass his agenda. but the point is, is that this, this idea that this was an insurrection which i think we're all in agreement. it wasn't, it was really not an active domestic terrorism. like you said, you the only death was an innocent on arm. air force veteran ashley baptist, who was murdered by a rope, police officer. now robert does make a good point as far as like, let's get to the root of it, the planning,

all that kind of stuff. what we now know that there were a lot of f, b i and for me. okay. all right, that's it. all right, that's where i want brian. let me jump in here. that's exactly where i wanted to go . let's go back to washington dc. like, i mean there's the that, that, that the true 3rd rail and all of this discussion is because we can have semantics all we want. but there, it seems to be evidence that the feds were involved in this. the more and more video that's being released. it shows that there were people that were a ring leaders, they don't seem to be charged. a lot of people want to know why with their m ample number of instances where the feds were involved in, quote unquote, potential terrorist acts. so there's a long history of that, and now there that were being faced with this and january 6, or we could ever really find out because i don't think policies committees interested in that. go ahead in dc. no, i don't think that we'll find out the extent of the efie eisen and, but we do know that there wasn't any type of meticulous planning according to the f b i itself. and that's only if we believe they have b i the f b, i actually came out a report saying that of the $500.00 plus people that they charged the art that

there has been no indication that there was any coordination with anyone in not just in congress, but in toronto world, annette and you calls people like roger stone, steve, bandit, and many of the others. what that, what the democrats want to do with this, the like committee. they really want to just nail down donald trump. they want to assign some sort of blame to donald trump or republicans absent any evidence. and i think that's part of the larger problem that democrats are having, even with naming this insurrection versus domestic terrorism versus riots. because we also know that this time last year, even last summer, when there were black life matter, protest them, we're going around. we're done with actually ludy and righty, and burning and assaulting lee thought that the democrats, they did not even touch that rail of referring to it as either domestic terrorism or anything like that. they said that they were right. so we do know that the united states definitely had the history of riots happening, where police officers,

law enforcement were attack, and democrats and members of congress overall. didn't say that that was actually terrorism or an insurrection, but i don't expect nancy pelosi to pursue the f. b. i angle to the extent that they're trying to assign blay to members of congress and robert address the issue that we just heard here. i mean this out, this whole endeavor, this whole an insurrection it, this is aimed at donald trump, making sure that his reputation is tarnished. maybe they wanted have a 3rd impeachment. i did go after his followers, but this is the whole point. it is to keep the focus on trump. it really nothing else really matters to them here. and, and that's the gambit here. and given what we had on the last tuesday in the election, in virginia, being going after comp isn't paying paid her any more or not is much ok. how do you react to that, robert? go ahead. i think that's the most incorrect narrative that can be taken away from doesn't books was work place on mag borders writing and breaking into the capitol

in finding stop you counting of electoral let's replace those with a 1000000 muslims being in the united states capital there probably is due to a muslim bill and they kicked her barrier break holding to the capitals, mere fences of these, these around the speaker, but houses office and they go, they're demanding the overturning of the legend that they claim the same thing right. in that the vote for stolen just that will be right for you let the president here and that this become par for the course in american paul to have it on robert robert, thank you. hey, let me go to the brand. i just want to say something before we go to the break, we still have 2nd half of the program, but you know, you're, you're saying all of the protesters are the same. more and more evidence is that there were a lot of, there was some trouble makers and other people got it. i found themselves in something that they didn't want to be participating in. you know, so i please to stay away from the broad brush. go ahead. 20 seconds before we go to the break, go ahead, robert. all the wires know republicans want to investigate this. if they do believe they will be, i don't get,

why are we not heavy getting bipartisan or for the idea that we can. but we need to stop is from becoming our corporate american policies that were governed by mob rules or riots instead of by the let for results. okay, well that perfect timing there. thank you robert. i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on january 6 day with our team. ah, ah, we're empowering ourselves to be more efficient, quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off, every device is a potential entry point for security into any machine can be it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers. with this one comes option or it's not

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remind you we're discussing january 6. ah okay, let's go back to brian in new orleans. today about a 100 of the protesters had played out ma, mr. meaner is primarily on there's about $500.00 plus more. i'm a in detained in prison under a very rough conditions, according to some sources. are these people political prisoners, brian? well, they absolutely aren't actually, after girls. will you think of margery? just agree and she had the courage to go in through and visited these people and report back what's going on. and she said that not only are there there in humane conditions with regards to a lack of food, lack of medical care. but she said that people are being subject to re education, and most of them are rejecting. and she said, but i mean reeducation. first of all,

there's nobody in the united states, a correctional system. that is, is qualified to re educate anyone unless we're just talking about how much money get their high school diploma or something like that. but re education, that's something that goes on in line concentration camps in cuba and you know, in other communist places, that's crazy. i mean, i could think of a bunch of liberals who really need re education, but i would never, i would never vote to force it on them because that's, that's against your constitutional rights as actually a cruel and unusual punishment. you know that you're going to go back to it before the break. you know, robert already admitted that the, the capitol police let the protest 0, but then he said that it broke in the capital, or he made the reference of the broken leg broken in the capital capital. police opened the doors now how did the f b i, when they learned nancy closing advance, that they expected some trouble at this at this protest. how did they know it's because they didn't form it in the ground. they had known members of it, but in black lives matter organizations in the crowd. some of them dressed up like

trumps supporters. going around in breaking things and trying to route people up and attack people. but you know, all, all that is got, you know, white washed out when the national guard called lucy and said, do you want us to come over and help? she turned it down that she wasn't involved in the planning of this. in the, in the constructing of this narrative of an insurrection of actor domestic terrorism by trumps or borders. why would she turn down the national guard? doesn't make any sense. there's so much about this, that doesn't make sense why there still people in jail, they didn't, they didn't do anything wrong. i mean, i don't really charter with trespassing capitals technically close because they went in without permission or i mean even even if the cops let them in, they weren't supposed to be. they're charging with trash fashion. give them a check it, let them pay their final or to move on. why is anybody still in jail? this is crazy man. it central, you know, if you look at a lot of the people, the profile, we can a generalize a profile. a lot of these people are older,

they're late boomers, a lot of them are veterans, lot of them are poor. i mean, i don't understand this disproportionate reaction to their getting them to the legal process here. i mean it's, it's been a very, very long time for what essentially is protesting, loitering, and trespassing. i mean, i mean i, i, i'm guess at a complete loss and one has to presume that a lot of these people don't have good legal help. ok. so i mean, you know, just, it's denied as to justice just as the latest justice denied in this case. go ahead in washington. yes, so that's actually a very good point. i was one of those who actually i attended the 1st stop the steel rally as they acts. we called it. this was probably early december. i think it was. i actually attended the 1st of the 3 stopped the steel rallies. and so i could have easily been locked into the same group that they blocked into the january 6. i do believe, well, i did note that there are a lot of people who just went along with the crime. and that typically what happens

whether or not it was what happened on capitol hill or even in the black lives matter, right. where you have people who just moved along with the crowd. what i would like to know from nancy pelosi and brian mentioned it, and robert mentioned it. we still don't have an answer to it. who gave the okay for them to allow them and their writers into the capitol. someone actually gave that order and we still do not know to this day who that person was. the fact is that there were failures on all sides from idling theory, dc, from our metropolitan police department from our mayor, from the national guard, the pentagon in even on capitol hill. they were literally fairies, failures at all levels. and we saw with the numbers congressional here, he said, we've had thus far corporate prior to the select committee that they, we pat, now i g reports coming out. just really given us information on how to prevent these type of things from happening. again, in a contrary to what robert said,

these were literally bi partisan hearings that we had well before did shoot our dad, nancy. pelosi jones are select committee. so we do have a lot of information about what occur the failures in what we can do to actually make sure these type of things don't happen again. so we don't have to speak about these things as if it didn't happen at all. these things actually did happen, and there are answers that we need and specifically, who gave the stand down orders on capitol hill. and that is not something that donald trump could do, or anyone around donald trump. i still think we need, i still think we need to know that answer. i could jump in real quick and real quick because, you know, yeah, they made the point about not have not, you know, the public not wanting to buy parts and investigation. republicans did. mccarthy did offer who he wanted on that january 6th select committee and policy rejected. it was jim jordan and somebody else. instead they picked the most tromp hating rhinos in congress,

a liz cheney and adam king singer. neither one who are real republicans. you want them who are going to be in congress next year. both of them hate donald trump. so there was an attempt by kevin mccarthy to make it a bipartisan committee. nancy pelosi rejected that. put faith republicans on and who hate trump? that's when the whole committee became a joke. that's why van and stone, all the people are ignoring the subpoenas. they know that this committee is a joke. they haven't a jurisdiction, they have no real power and nothing's ever going to happen. and the democrats are going to lose congress next year. the whole thing's going to go away and less republican decide to make a real bipartisan investment committee, which i think in general, i don't think they're going to do that. i think they should be looking into the f b i. what are the orchestra this? what are the f b i or history charges against cow? rittenhouse is clearly innocent. why did this oppressive video that proved as innocent? and it only came out in the trial that that's, that's the questions we need to answer. well, i can tell you a question i have is that after i mean, so many things have been mentioned here. i mean, i've never heard humans a d fund,

the f b i because i think they, i mean, given their recent track record with rach again and all these other things here i'm, i'm a little surprised. hadn't been mentioned. got more serious now here robert, i want to stay with the 500 or so they're still in prison here. i mean, are they being made examples too, you know, to, to the public in general that, you know, don't know, don't, don't even think about protesting, because you could find yourself in to the, the grips of the, of the, of the legal system because it's quite terrifying. with these people are going through. okay. i mean from what i understand virtually none of them have a criminal record. go ahead robert. any, you know these people, as you said they're, they're or they're an educated. many of them are role and i think what the, the reason they're still accustomed, because many of them are refusing to own up to what they have done. their tech on the american people be a tech on the american congress, the tech on the american people at the end of civilization, as it is there to point to tom, bear with you to vote. republican for years, for republicans would hold

a copy of the constitution in their pockets where they will be even our democratic institutions in this country where they put america before party, what the values of the country and what were you to stand for before petty political games right now they will make every excuse for individuals who are willing to try to hang the vice president the united states of america. i believe that the american people could stand up and have a board for them. so it will rather have a victorian mandate that said that the people that whoever yelled aloud is what kit food was. doors for breaking off feeds into the capital that that is, will be charged to this country that are nearly identical to the quote about a check. we brought up a 1799 napoleon. the exact thing thing to be could be a different people in the directory which led to quantity are going to hold on a role. so the idea that these are simply protesters, individuals who were mad about a watch. ok gentlemen or a 3 minute gentlemen gentlemen,

we have 3 minutes and i want to give each one of you 81 minute 1st. going to brian will ashley? bam. it ever get justice in her family? ashley babbitt. go ahead. well now now that they know who the capitol police officer is murder, the current of government, current control of congress to current person occupying the white house is never going to do anything. but eventually that power is getting it is gonna change. it's going to happen. and i think that that officer will be brought to justice and he needs to be charged per capita merch pardon the punch, but no. going back to a couple things. there was no feces found anywhere. the speakers officer anywhere in the capitol in place. they found species was injured by his pants at the vatican a couple weeks ago. right on your tag. yeah, that was all. hey i had i was ok. i want to go back. i want everyone to talk about ashley babbitt before we enter the program. go ahead, molly, can washington, will she get justice or? no, and i know i'm actually one of those. i really don't, you know, it's sad what eventually happened to ashley bad enough court. and unlike the black

lives matter protests, when those people were actually assaulting police officers, no police officer, actually a faulty or killed any member of black lights matters. but those who attended the ride, but i don't think that ashley babbitt go get any justice. i actually think that the shooting itself was justified when you tried to break into an area where members of congress were, i really don't. it's a very sad thing that the very sad thing for her family. but at the end of the day, ashley babbitt put herself in that position and i don't know even if it work at the white house. ashley babbitt with equally probably still not be alive to day so i don't think that you'll get any justice. i think the shooting get felt from what i've seen, definitely st justified. and i don't expect arctic for a family to get any type of, you know, recourse or anything from the federal government because they decided that this was a justified shooting in the same way that they should and decided that many other shootings that happen around the corner to on black people, white people,

asian people, you know, it, spanish, people that those shootings were actually justified considering the circumstance dances. so no, i don't expect her to get any justice out this at all. okay, robert, and same question to you. i mean, because for a lot of people, you know, a very small woman, you know, she wasn't armed, she would, she wasn't confronted. i'm, there were other people around her. i mean, it didn't seem scott, so completely unjustified. ok though, if you look at liberal media, she was a threat to the republic. that's. that's pretty hard to swallow. i'll give the last word to you or robert. go ahead. i find it amazing for republicans. it's always back the blue unless it's you, this woman was broken to the capital. they kicked in a window to give to the car through a window and had members of congress. what was you want to do on the other side of them? cuz a wrote police officer was going to stand up and put his wife on the line to defend or democracy has been our country both right to make this bill as opposed to people who are breaking into the back of the government and why our democracy

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