[000:00:00;00] ah, i'm african retention, we're going on the ground coming up with a show. what's really going on in sudan. we ask the countries ambassador to the u. s. appointed by the overthrown administration. if his country is next in the firing line of president biden's plans for the horn of africa, and we osgood or ours, commissioner general, why his agency, which provides aid to palestinian refugees, is on the brink of collapse at the time when those refugees are more in danger than ever from lebanon to syria, to the world's largest opening prison, camp garza, all of them all coming up internet is going underground. nation media has been predictably scathing about a change of power in resource rich to dawn. as the i m. f friendly,

prime minister of de la ham doc was removed from power. joining me now from washington, d. c, as this is donna basset, to the usa that handle ke appointed neural din. sadie ambassador, thanks so much for coming on. we'll have to be very big picture by the end of this interview. something now might have come out of cartoon that we didn't know about. just describe what happened. i know lee, a finance minister who remained jubilee by him said it wasn't a coup, but as i understand it, the by the administration's jeffrey feltman envoy was in costume and then with it out as the prime minister was gone. yeah, well, what's happened is that yes, she is ultimate himself said that he has been lied to bible hon and yes, on our hon. the military leader, lieutenant general. a veranda need to release the one who lived there. cool. and he was actually before going before leaving,

he had the impression that everything was okay and that they had agreed to move forward. and then he was in of course, completely surprised when this happened. he did not expect research to happen. nicholson. i'm gonna run a shooting that interesting my looking. so feltman biden's man, he thought it's ok for a country to 400 percent inflation, 80 percent to $40000000.00 people living on less than a dollar a day. and 2700000 suffering from acute malnutrition. that's what by the ministrations envoy feltman thinks as oh right. oh fun. well, it's not all right to this little right what, what is not life actually story that is that the, by the god we knew that after the, the, the legacy that to me and heritage on my machine is the reason that the same. sure not to be all right, i always in that 2 or 3 years,

actually i am one on those who wrote the actually a book about this and said that things will start that being all right. for 5 years on the because the, you're blaming, you're blaming this poverty and the 2700000 on alba, sheer not on the government course because you have been there for 6 years. you are there for 50 years and there is nothing to shortly. well, lily will have to take that into consideration z o, i mean to the global south. the change since alba share has been your closeness to israel. i understand it. your alignment against iran, ah sudan has become more a proxy of washington d. c than ever, hasn't it? before the year before a lieutenant general wareham has intervened. well, i only see

a proxy and we are interested in now redressing and correcting our relation with the international community. antonucci in his in areas um will to neil is there certain countries that can help us will do so. and my duty as ambassador to washington last, as he said that we and we have had a really lovely life and the activity our initially the you asked me the i m f with the world bank. and of course really the african develop can bank. and another financial institutions and without doing this is going to be very difficult or to sudan to recover its rightful place in the international financial community from which you have been isolated. there are over 20 years. have you spoken to jeffrey feldman? we spoke about him on this program because he's alleged to be interfering, of course are in the, in the conflict in ethiopia where the united states has been accused of for supporting the t p l f. and have you spoken to jeffrey feldman since the change of

power and cartoon? well i, i can see that i did, of course on he has been on the media and he spoke on, you know, openly about the situation in sudan. and he's recently, of course, involved in situation issue theory, because he has been called by the children and the shabbos office at a will to issue. do you think her, he discussed the plan by the russian federation to put a naval base in sudan with the prime minister ham dock before he was overthrown? i don't think so. you don't get to enjoy because obviously presumably the biden administration is against he, a russian naval base being put there on the red sea. well, that's on this friday knowing, knowing that the kind of well situation that's developing along there, etc. and i and the, and the anglo really,

i mean very quick that china's ambassador margin min met with the ala bore han, after the change of change of power in got to can you not see lead and the emerging economies as it were, or certainly the global economic superpower by p. p. p. at china. seems to be treating a lieutenant general elbow. honda decision with respect. well yeah, well i, it is for them to decides. well now do i respect or not? but they were not the only ones to of to little me to with the alarm. many other people, including some western ambassador sir met with him. but feldman hasn't threatened another rob libya, style intervention because of what is going on in khartoum. i mean, we got to say that this in the context of washington wanting coups in venezuela theory therapy, eritrea iran, china, and russia,

maybe somehow against what they call a qu in your country. well, i lose his eyes towards you said the load school. that's not my, i mean my intention to go into that kind of detail, but i, we wouldn't of course, welcome any kind of intervention minutes and, and mentioning shavanne or taylor hopkins, that people are capable with chicken carol messages. do you think that there will be other countries who will be able to replace the 700000000 dollars aid package from the biden administration, which i understand has been stop when i think that's a question to ask to the locals, lotus, what are their plans to replace whatever assistance is coming from the international community. i mean, they oh and you know when, when you, when it was 5 minutes to ham dog, $6400000000.00 are owed by suit on to china. yes, that's being discussed,

of course, and we're on the past. so finding a solution to that. and he did not get that response of the legacy of the for mary, you that over and miss you. so i'll give play when the i'm f, tell the sooner the is government, whatever government it is, what to do as regards privatization, as regards a liberalizing of the economy. the argument cartoon should listen more to be jing, than it does to the i m f in washington. well, i think we are going to, you know, we need a, you know, the short tin needs and the engine needs to address the issue that we have with the international finance and by nation institutions. i'm the mean one here is i. and if i'm china and so his middle name is not forget that and we are discussing it, nicholas,

it counts in order to reach this to get our mockery economy in order to be able to get it on the he did a been in that rehab and it's only norman, so to talk to and i me about that. that does not mean that we should not talk to china. china is a, is an important ally to so done. i said to me, if we had bills or anything to continue on this union side, it would have been really wanting you to engage in china. and i like to be in a conference and say, you just have no idea why general one would have lost patience with what the, by the ministration boy had to say to him. no idea at all. well actually it was and that's why the yes on in she didn't little how does one i that he started to put in place a weeks ago actually located on east answered on last part of it. they're sitting

in front of me on this last part of it, mobilizing some of the, you know, signatories oh the you about getting into a spot on it. and it was clear that she was preparing, i keeping cool. and even we were a little that, why do you think, why do you think the finance minister of the government, you supported and we're going to buy uber labor, him doesn't call it a coup. i, you know, it is a cool because he seems not to seem interested to my own thoughts, unity more than anything else. i think he thinks that it's interesting that to me, to be able to get a niga shit or the cake is he was he let me say, well, obviously we like him him on the programming. they probably deny. deny that. do you think though, that under general board hand, some of the foreign policies that are used will change?

i mean, will you continue to recognize israel is a big friend when you continue to support u. s. foreign policy in the region. i don't working nasty not to return your lot because the on the geopolitics, you know, i sit in obligations and says, in facts on the ground that need to be a nice, i'm opening up to is, are in of course issues continue to hold out about that building and listening the answer continue also, but does not exclude dudgin. you shall open up to other cells. and just finally, you personally, have you heard anything from general moorehead about whether you're going to remain the ambassador in d. c, or will be and you have massive no, actually i am not here. go home as a commander in chief of the armed forces or sudan fan,

17 ambassadors and diplomats as commander of the on close to the salon. and i happened to be with him. but of course inside the vehicle now use him as being the head of the ship. let me know, submission of sudan, i and the, and the legal team and the government. they didn't know government anyway. i decided to remain in place. well, many of the people have remained in the government. do you consider the sovereignty council announced by general bullhorn to be a legitimate no, not at all. it doesn't get him in to call this appointed by an illegitimate body. has no right to repeal the constitutional documenting has no right to appoint ministers to have no right to appoint members on the southern council on only so of course will be put into question by the people or should that matter. thank you. after the break,

as the u. k. cut support for the un agency which age palestinian refugees while continuing to support bombing and sanctions on the places those refugees live. we ask, are ours commissioner general in the countries that create the refugees, should pay more to support them all of all coming up about to have going on the ground. ah, we're empowering ourselves to be more efficient, quicker with our transactions. with that, concentrate on every device p as a potential entry point for security at any machine can be it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers. with him was one comes option in the offering. it's not a matter of, if it happens it's

a matter of went with those your teeth preach in the town of santos, o true believers, usually highly committed to this world view songs and i recall scientific fundamentalists, i'm not very interested in the evidence about psychic phenomena. or about the value of spiritual practices because it goes against our world too much of the evidence is very strong, spiritual practices and religious practices make people happier, healthier and live longer. join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. but i'll be speaking to guess on the world politics sport. business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then.

ah, welcome back from unarguably us intensified economic and energy crisis in lebanon to abutment of gods of killed hundreds to a continuing corrode of ours pandemic this year has been one of the hardest in almost a century for palestinian refugees. so why then is the un agency that supports them facing collapse? i'm joy now from amman and jordan by the commissioner general of that agency in ra phillipe lorine commission. general, thanks so much for coming on. i mean, how is it possible that the you and relief works agency may be facing collapse. that's unfortunately not a new. i mean, the agency has been to a financial crisis now for almost a decade. since 2014, our income have not been increased, but as you say, we are in a region with crisis. and richard just need to have also significant increase the unexpected agency like on the walk to deliver on the needs

expectation, which is not the case anymore. and you know, today in to come across the region, there is a lot of despair distress, but also anger because basically, armoire is alive, fan of the brightest in refer jesus, i'm more want, he's into a financial crisis to move to partition refugees. she'll abundant by the international community and this crisis is really on setting. it's on setting for the for g is on testing for the staff, but also for the host country. wonder if yes or not on the want. we'll be able to continue to deliver critical services to the funniest in refugees. yeah, i think many people think of and rolla because of the everything pictures coming from garza in may, but of course your roommate is a refugee is millions of them across the middle east. syria, lebanon,

and so for jordan, way you're speaking to me from joe biden, just gave you a $235000000.00 in aid from next april. i know that the u. s. is just sold 735 millions in weapons to israel. but what's happening, i mean, shouldn't that have saved you after the trump decision to defend you? number one, the agency suffered a lot over the last 2 year or so from the financial crisis center and had to put in place quite a number of very committed measure. and if you go beyond that the, today, it will definitely impact the quality of our services, but also the scope of our services. now the u. s. 3 engagement has been very, very important. and we have a saluted the return of the u. s. at unfortunately, it has been offset by decreases by decrease funding from a number of tradition dorna,

but also from lack of strong engagement. here in the region, i mean, can you see why barra johnson here in britain would slash the grant by 50 percent for 42 and a half 1000000 pounds or 20800000 pounds. i mean, obviously with issued weapons sales this government for $100000000.00 to israel. what would you say to borrow johnson? well, the decision to last and to decrease the over the budget from 0172015 percent of the g d p. has barrick the consequences, it has a human consequences, but it has also an impact on keeping and maintaining the stability here in the region. i mean, just to remind our viewers say in gaza, i mean, they're just the other day, there's a 13 year old killed in the occupied territories. what does in row actually do? because obviously the red cross tries and does what it tries to aid agencies

indigenous ones from his bola, from my mouth, from the p a. they try and do what does an ro actually do in gaza? say let us examine it, which is our major operation right? now we have nearly $300000.00 girls and boy in our schools, in garza, we have nearly 70 percent of the population. we should rely on our primary health services, but also on our social safety net. a program we are providing food to 70 percent of the population in the us trip. so we are a lifeline. and it top of that we have the 2nd biggest employer in the us, cheaper. so a, so your appealing to donors like britain, germany, the united states, the, you, sweden, i mean,

these are countries that are selling weapons to israel, that they used to bomb sometimes under our facilities, you're appealing to those countries to give you money. meanwhile, those countries fell weapons to blow up garza, can you not see some circularity here? i am appealing to the members are to translate the strong political support and mandate being given to on the war and to mit materialize into matching resources. this is what i am doing, basically, there is an expectation from the international community that in the absence of a lasting. but if you could solution that the agency on the wall provider human development activities and services it refugees. ok. i'm not showing that onto the circularity question, because it is strange. explain why and you know,

israel and exam american officials ever complained of en route facilities being used by terrorists as a, as they call them up. just remind us what happened in in may when, when you k. u. s. german funded israeli aerial bombardment of gaza attacked attack the strip $256.00, including $66.00 children killed to remind us what happened in may. as you mentioned, have been 66 and killed in together paper and among them you had also a number of keys where attending the what school. now during this conflict, our schools are also being safe haven for about 70000 a scene and we were seeking refute in how schools so may have been

a human tragedy. it has been to force conflict. in 14 jasa, you highlighted some of the absurdity. i went there just a day after the conflict and basically people were completed traumatized that they were already talking about a possible read upset. and basically we are in a situation which i would define as being a chronic of a next a conflict. and we have to break these observed circle and wow, as the recovery mean, i mean the head of any, i know you're going off to the european union in a week or so as time as i say, joe biden, $735000000.00 in weapon sales to israel bars, johnson selling off a 1000000000 to, to israel. i was the recovery being before perhaps the next conflagration. wow. i'll see you on for too much more that we had an appeal we have

received about 15000000 don't are to initiate some of the recovery and many that dwelling on the shelter of the most, the most major center of the refugees. and we have started this kind of rehabilitation a just after the war, just what we also did because a trauma has been very, very, very deep appropriation. and don't forget december petition, i will so gone through 18 months of coverage. and then you have this war, we have wrote very quickly and it was very proud of the children back to our school in order to, to, to do, to re fixed out that, you know, to do the healing and to prepare them for the new school year. no problem getting textbooks across the israeli check point,

aside from the building materials to actually build the classrooms. no schools are really to be used. some say that if, if a was prevented from working as they would wish to because of financial constraints, other people fill the gap. why do you think it is that indigenous groups, whether it me democratically elected officials or as well or p f l p. what, why can't they do their own schools from their own fund? is one for the last to 70. yeah, a applied of this thing, richard. and basically at the time of the creation, it was expected that we deliver services in the absence of a credit. because solution, if more would be today, just want to, in the absence of such a solution,

it could be immediately be interpreted for being a total opponent of the international community is applied to the researches and you're right. by the way, if tomorrow we are not in a situation to provide our services and if it collapse so it will definitely trigger a crisis and after the crisis, so some, we tend to doubt that to see those a guy, a guy, but certainly not the same that you to me and the same type of monday than the one being given a 2 on the walk. obviously has one. i would differ when it comes to refugee camps and chevron should deal and so on, in lebanon, where they already do give aid. arguably, what about russia and china? do you think that rush, i know rusher is given money? china is given money to you. very small compared to the money from the usa. do you think they just think, given that most of the arms come from nato countries and should be funded materially mostly from those countries,

setting the weapons to israel. i don't know what to do. so we usually have a very strong support with our resolution being adopted in support of the agency and mandate, i think is true that there is some room for improvement when it comes to conflict because you want to resources, we are receiving support from countries like china and russia, but they're still very, very modest. and corona virus, obviously, the parent corona virus, per capita case number's and death numbers perhaps are less than here in london. a corona virus affecting the refugees in the camps right across the middle east. yeah, i would say that the prevailing is similar to the population in the

respective country. so one over the last in monster has been part of a national response campaign, both for the prevention, but also for the mission campaign. and just finally, the embargo on the lebanon. how does that affecting and rub his work as we approach winter? i mean, we are in, i'm very concerned about the situation in, on political, financial and economical collapse. it's further exacerbating the situation in the car. i went a few months ago to visit and anyway, i'm not and by you know, anger boiling. there is a lot of frustration. people are really desperate. there is a lot of august and we should never forget why the situation is extremely difficult for the entire population. in lebanon is, are even more difficult to produce in reproducible,

have been over. the last of the kids also discriminated when it comes to accessing livelihood in the country. just briefly though, do you expect the united states and britain to allow fuel this winter to come from iran to lebanon and to syria with their refugees? i have no idea, i, my guess, would be as good as yours, commission general. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show will be back on monday to talk satcher. markson was who was one of the greatest chroniclers of the working class experience, also nominated bomb door winning director mike lee until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if countries around the world should stop homing israel with weapons that kill bellas. canadians ah, we're empowering ourselves to be more efficient or quicker with our transactions.

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