[000:00:00;00] ah, [000:00:00;00] with i'm african retention, we're going on the ground coming up with the show. what's really going on in sudan . we ask the countries ambassador to the u. s. appointed by the overthrown administration. if his country is next in the firing line of president biden's plans for the horn of africa, and we osgood or ours, commissioner general, why his agency, which provides aid to palestinian refugees, is on the brink of collapse at the time when those refugees are more in danger than ever from lebanon to syria, to the world's largest opening prison camp garza, all of them all coming up internet is going underground. nation. meteor has been predictably scathing about

a change of power in resource rich to dawn. as the i m. f friendly, prime minister, abdullah ham doc was removed from power. joining me now from washington, d. c. is this it on ambassador to the usa that ham doc appointed neural din sadie ambassador, thanks so much for coming on. we'll have to be very big picture by the end of this interview. something now might have come out of cartoon that we didn't know about. just describe what happened. i know lee, a finance minister who remained jubilee by him said it wasn't a coup, but as i understand it, the by the administration's jeffrey feltman envoy was in costume and then with it out as the prime minister was gone. yeah, well, what's happened is that if she seldman himself said that he has been lied to by law han, and just on our hon, the military leader, lieutenant general, a miranda need to read that though. i know linda cool. and

he was actually before going before leaving, he had the impression that everything was okay and that they had to agree to move forward. and then he was really of course, completely surprised when this happened. he did not expect it to happen. nicholson . i'm gonna run a shooting that interesting my looking. so feltman biden's man, he thought it's ok for a country to 400 percent inflation, 80 percent to $40000000.00 people living on less than a dollar a day. and 2700000 suffering from acute malnutrition. that's what, by the ministrations envoy feltman thinks it's all right. all fun. well, it's not all right, it's not all right. what, what is not right. actually to read that is that to my, the gun. we knew that after the that the legacy that and had it on my machine that seeing sure not to me or i always in that 2 or 3

years. actually, i am one on those who wrote the actually a book about this and said things will start that being all right, for 5 years on because this you're blaming, you're blaming this poverty and the 2700000 on alba, sheer not on the govern of course because he had been there for 6 years. he was there for 50 years, and there is nothing to show for me. well, he will have to take that into consideration z o, i mean to the global south. the changed since alba share has been your closeness to israel. i understand it. your alignment against iran, ah sudan has become more a proxy of washington dc than ever, hasn't it before the year before

a lieutenant general wareham has intervened. well, i will do you see a proxy and we are interested in murray dressing and correcting our relation with the international community and to show in his in areas double to deal with certain countries that can help us to do so. and my duty, alan bassett, that to washington last his history that we are, we have her in the lovelady. right. we're only active, it already nation. so the u. s. me the i m f with the world bank. and of course, the, the african american bank and another i national situations. and without doing this is going to be really new. she called in to sudan now to recover its rightful place in the international financial community from which you have been isolated there for over 20 years. have you spoken to jeffrey feldman? we spoke about him on this program because he's alleged to be interfering, of course, or in the, the, in the conflict in ethiopia,

where the united states has been accused of for supporting the t p l f. and have you spoken to jeffrey felton since the change of power and cartoon? well, i, i can see that i did, of course, and he has been on the media and he spoke on, you know, openly about the situation in should on. and he's recently of course, involved in situation if you feel equal, she has been called by the children and shabbos sunfish to will to su, get, do you think her? he discussed the plan by the russian federation to put a naval base in sudan with the prime minister ham doc before he was overthrown. i don't think so. you don't good. because obviously presumably the by no ministration is against he, a russian naval base being put there on the red sea. wellness on this and frightening knowing, knowing that the kind of well situation that's in developing along there,

etc. and i, and the, and the anglo really, i mean very quick that china's ambassador mazin min met with the allah war hand, after the change of change of her power in got to can you not see that at the emerging economies as it were, or certainly the global economic superpower by p. p. p. at china. seems to be treating a lieutenant general elbow. honda decision with respect. well yeah, well i, it is for them to the sides. we're now do i respect or not, but they were not the only ones to of to little me to with the alarm. no, many other people including some western ambassador sir, matches him. but feldman hasn't threatened another rob libya, style intervention because of what is going on in khartoum. i mean, we've got to say that this in the context of washington wanting,

cuz in venezuela theory, ethiopia, eritrea, iran, china, and russia maybe somehow against what they call a qu in your country. well i lose your skies towards you said the load school last, not my i mean my intention to go into that kind of detail that i, we wouldn't of course welcome any kind of intervention meetings and mentioning should and whatever happens the people are capable with chicken carol messages, do you think there will be other countries who will be able to replace the $700000000.00 aid package from the biden administration, which i understand has been stop when i think that's a question to ask when they're called looters, what are their plans to replace whatever assistance is coming from the international community. i mean, they oh and you know, when, when you, when it was

a prime minister ham dog, $6400000000.00 are owed by sued on to china. yes, that's being discussed, of course, and we're on in the past. so finding a solution for that. and he did not get that response of the legacy of the former. you that over and miss you. so, i'll give play when the i m f tells the sooner the is government, whatever government it is, what to do as regards privatization, as regards a liberalizing of the economy, the argument cartoon should listen more damaging than it does to the i m f in washington. when i think we are going, you know, we need a, you know, the short 10 needs and the end who needs to address the issue that we have in the international finance. and i mentioned institutions. i'm the mean one here is i. and if i'm china itself is new little guy,

me not so good that. and we are discussing it because it counts in order to reach this. i can get our mockery economy in order to be able to get it on the he did a big name that we have and it's only norman. so it's a talk to. and i knew about that. that does not mean that we should not talk to china. china is a, is an important i like to see done a thing if you to continue on the civilian side, it would have a really hunting community in china. and i like to be in a conference and say, you just have no idea why general one would have lost patience with what the by to ministration envoy had to say to him. no idea at all. well, actually it was, and that's why the yes on incident little had a plan and that he started to put in place for weeks ago actually. and i'm

located on eastern side on last part of it. they're sitting in front of me on this last part of it, mobilizing some of the, you know, signatories or the you about the mental as part of it. and it was clear that she was preparing, keeping cool, and even we were a little that, why do you think, why do you think the finance minister of the government, you supported and we're going to by jibber him, doesn't call it a coo i, you know, give me a call because he seems not interested to buy okay. june. easy, more than anything else? i think he seems that this in interest is actually going to be able to get a niga shit on the cake. he was either mediately. well, obviously we like him, him on the program. you clearly probably deny. deny that. do you think though that under general boar hand,

some of the foreign policies that are used will change? i mean, will you continue to recognize israel is a big friend? will you continue to support u. s. foreign policy in the region? i don't know. king, not gee, latsnitch any a lot. because the, the geopolitics, you know, when i sit in obligations, i'm stating facts on the ground that need to be a nice. i'm opening up to is age of course, issues continue, no doubt about that. and building relation, the su, continue also, but does not exclude dr. you shall open up to other cells. and just finally, you personally have you heard anything from general bore hand about whether you're going to remain the ambassador in d. c, or will be and you had best of it? no, actually i am not here. go home as

a commander in chief of the armed forces, or sudan fan, 17 ambassadors and diplomats ash, commander of the on posse, the salon. and i happen to be with him that of course, inside the vehicle. and i use him as being the head of the ship, let me a solution of sudan. i and, and they and elisha team at the government since they didn't know government anyway . i decided to remain in place. well, many of the people have remained in the government. you consider the sovereignty council announced by general bullhorn to be a legitimate no, not at all. it doesn't get him to call this appointed by an illegitimate body. he has no right to repeal the constitutional documenting out in the right to appoint ministers to have no right to appoint members. only a sovereign counsel and only so of course will be put into question and by the

people or should that back. thank you. after the break, as the u. k, got support for the un agency which age palestinian refugees while continuing to support bombing and sanctions on the places those refugees live. we ask, are ours commissioner general in the countries that create the refugees, should pay more to support them all as of all coming up about to have going on the ground. ah, those who are cheap, creech in the town of santos. o. true believers usually highly committed to this world view songs and i recall scientific fundamentalists, i'm not very interested in the evidence about psychic phenomena or about the value of spiritual practices because it goes against our world view that the evidence is very strong spiritual practices and religious practices make people happier, healthier,

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in while come back from an arguably us intensified economic, an energy crisis in lebanon to abutment of gods, or the killed hundreds to a continuing groat of ours fund. demik this year has been one of the hardest and almost a century for palestinian refugees. so why then is the un agency that supports them facing collapse? i'm join now from amman and jordan by the commission of general, that agency in ra felipe lorine commission. general, thanks so much for coming on. i mean, how is it possible that the you and really even works agency may be facing collapse? that's a new i mean the agency has been into a come enterprises. now, for almost a decade, since 2014, our income have not been increased. but as you say, we are in a region with crisis,

does tend to richard. you need to have also significant increase that unexpected agency like on the walk to deliver on the needs expectation, which is not the case anymore. so you know, to be in to come across to the region. there is a lot of despair distress, but also anger because basically what is a lot of fun of the partisan then refer jesus. i'm more want, he's into a financial crisis to move the position with feel abundant by the international community. and this crisis is really on setting it on setting for the refugees is on says thing for the staff, but also for the host country. wonder if yes or no one will be able to continue to deliver critical services to the funniest in refugees. yeah, i think many people think of in rolla because of the reflect pictures coming from garza in may, but of course your roommate is

a refugee is millions of them across the middle east, syria and lebanon. and so for jordan, we are speaking to be from joe biden, just gave you a $235000000.00 in aid from next april. i know that the u. s. is just sold 735 millions in weapons to israel. but what's happening? i mean, shouldn't that have saved you after the trump decision to defend you? number one didn't see suffered a lot over the last few years. so from the financial crisis center and had to put in quite a number of very committed measure. and if you go beyond that to date, it will definitely impact the quality of our services, but also the scope of our services. now the usb engagement has been very, very important. we have selected the return of the u. s. at unfortunately, it has been offset by decreases by decrease funding from a number of

a traditional donor, but also from lack of strong engagement. here in the region. i mean, can you see why barra johnson here in britain would slash the grant by 50 percent, or 40 to enough 1000000 pounds or 20800000 pounds? i mean, obviously with issued weapons sales this going to $400000000.00 to israel. what would you say to bars johnson? well, he said that the decision to slash and to decrease the over the budget from 0172015 percent of the g. d. p. has barrick, the consequences. it has a human consequences, but it has also an impact on keeping and maintaining the 70 here in the region. i'm a just to remind our viewers saying, garza, i mean they're just the other day, there's a 13 year old killed in the occupied territories. what does in row actually do?

because obviously the red cross tries and does what it why tries to aid agencies or indigenous ones from his bola, from my mouth, from the p a. they try and do it. what does an ro actually do in gaza? say, let us examine it, which is our major operation right now. we have nearly $300000.00 girls and boy in our schools, in garza, we have a nearly 70 percent of the population. we rely on our primary health services, but also on ours social safety net, a program we are providing food to 70 percent of the population in together trip. so we, we are a lifeline. and the top of that, we are the 2nd biggest employer in the guys us cheaper. so a,

so your appealing to donors like britain, germany, the united states, the, you, sweden, i mean, these are countries that are selling weapons to israel, that a used to bomb sometimes under our facilities, you're appealing to those countries to give you money. meanwhile, those countries sell weapons the blow up, garza, can you not see some circularity here? i am appealing to the members to translate the strong political support and mandate being given to on the war and to mit materialize into matching resources. this is what i am doing, basically there is an expectation from the international community that in the absence of a last thing, but it, because solution data, the agency on wall provides a human development activities and services it refugees. ok. i'm not

sure of that, onto the circularity question, because it is strange. explain why and you know, israel and i think some american officials have complained of rather facilities being used by terrorists to say, as they call them. just remind us what happened in in may when, when you k. u. s. german funded israeli aerial bombardment of gaza attacked attack the strip $256.00, including $66.00 children killed to remind us what happened in may. as you mentioned, there have been 66 and killed in together. and among them you had also a number of keys where attending the what school. now, during this conflict, our school and i've also been safe haven for about 70000 a scene and we were seeking refuel in our schools.

so may, has been a human tragedy. it has been to force conflict. in 14 jasa, you highlighted some of the absurdity. i went there just a day after the conflict and basically people were completely traumatized that they were already talking about a possible read upset. and basically we are in a situation which i would define as being a chronic of a next a conflict. and we have to break the observed circle. and wow, as the recovery mean, i mean, behead of any, i know you're going off to the european union in a, in a week or so as time as i say, joe biden, 735000000 dollars in weapons sales to israel bars johnson selling off a 1000000000 to, to israel, i was the recovery be in before,

perhaps the next conflagration. well, i'll see you on fortunately much more modest. we had an appeal, we have received about 15000000, don't our, to initiate some of the recovery, amended the wedding on the shelter of the most, the most major set of the medicine refugees. and we have started this kind of rehabilitation a just after the won't just what we also did because a trauma has been very, very, very deep among a petition on don't forget, december petition, i will so gone through 18 months of coverage. and then you have this war we have wrote very quickly and that was very proud of the children back to school in order to to to do re fixed out that you know to do the healing of toma and to prepare them for the new school year. no problem about getting

textbooks across the israeli checkpoint, aside from the building materials to actually build the classrooms. no schools are really to be used. some say that it in rollo was prevented from working as they would wish to because of financial constraints. other people fill the gap. why do you think it is that indigenous groups, whether it me democratically elected officials or as well or p f l p. what, why can't they do their own schools from their own fund is a weakness of the, of the pedestal refugees. and basically at the time of the creation, it was expected that we deliver services in the absence of recorded because

solution, if more would be today. content in the absence of such a solution, it could be immediately be interpreted as being a total opponent of the international community is applied to the refugees. and you're right, by the way, if tomorrow we are not in a situation to provide our services. and if it collapse it, it will definitely trigger a crisis and after the crisis, so some might be tempted out of that to feel of the gap a gap. but it's certainly not the same that you to me and the same type of monday, the one being given a lot obviously has one. i would differ when it comes to refugee camps and chevron should deal and so on, in lebanon, where they already do give aid. arguably, what about russia and china? do you think that rush, i know russia has given money? china is given money to you. very small compared to the money from the usa. do you think they just think,

given that most of the arms come from nato countries and should be funded materially mostly from those countries? setting the weapons to israel. i don't know what to rationally, so we usually have a very strong support when resolution being up to the in support of the agency and mandate. but it is true that there is some room for improvement when it comes to translated political support to resources. we are receiving support from countries like china and russia still very, very much this. and corona virus, obviously the parent corona virus, per capita, case number's and the s numbers perhaps are less than here in london. how is corona virus affecting the refugees in the camps? right? across the middle east. yeah, i would say that the prevailing,

similar to the population in the respective countries. so one over the last 18 months has been part of national response campaign, both for the prevention, but also from the mission a campaign. and just finding the embargo on lebanon. how does that affecting and rob is work as we approach when to i mean, we are in, i'm very concerned about the situation in a financial and economic collapse. it's for existing making the situation in the car and went a few months ago to visit and anyway, i'm not and by you know, anger is boiling. there is a lot of frustration. people are really desperate. there is a lot of august nasa and we should never forget how wine the situation is extremely

difficult for the entire population. never known. it is an even more difficult to put it in. reproducible have been over the last few decades, also discriminated when it comes to accessing livelihood in the country. just briefly, you know, do you expect the united states and britain to allow fuel this winter to come from iran to lebanon, to syria, with their refugees? i have no idea, i guess it would be as good as yours commission general. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show will be back on monday to talk satcher marks and also with one of the greatest chroniclers of the working class experience . also nominated problem door winning director mike lee until then keep in touch my social media and that is no countries around the world should stop homing israel with weapons that kill bellis giddeons ah

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