allow me to clarify a very important matter. there is only one migrant crisis and go to europe, and that is a migrant crisis, which isn't it. now, caused by america, britain and france have in the stabilize both libya and syria through having supported islamist terrorists in both countries, which has resulted in well over 1000000 migrants ensure in europe, most of whom have not come from libya and syria. but turn into the tension on the polish russian buddha, the ga, strategic dimensions to that are as follows. america and britain are attempting to manage civil unrest in delivers, or it's historic and a circle name is bella. russia, in the hope that fermenting civil unrest in the country will assist them in their

quest to initiate a crew in bella, russia against president, alexander lucas. shank, that towards wrestle bell, russia from moscow is all bits and place in the west, which would result in the western border of the russian federation from the black sea being entirely encircled and close by countries which are in the west all bit. that would be a tremendously dangerous situation for russia now, was the chances of western crew embellish occurring are negligible, none the less anything is possible. there is also another dimension to this america and britain on looking for a pretext to continue increase in nato's presence along with the russian

odor. both soldiery and weaponry and bi election baxa. russia, backed by russia, is attempting to stabilize the european union, the stabilize nato. by allow in migrants illegal migrants to enter europe. that says as a pretext for increasing mesa is presence in the east. and what has happened? well, just in the last few days, pizza, british soldiers have been dispatched to poland, to advise the polish governments on how to secure its folder. well, that's quite lawful for a number of reasons, but one of them is this, that the british states doesn't see fit to dispatch a british soldiers to nobody, to defend britons bold as against illegal migrants who i trust in being those channel on a daily basis. indeed, only a few days ago,

1000 illegal migrants entered dover on one day alone. yeah. the so tension between the european union and embarrass nicely really shows the, the, the wanting immigration policy of the european union. because as marcus is pointed out, here is a process is basically just dropped the bone because, you know, they're not particularly happy with the holes in the 1st place right now for a lot of other internal union issues here. so it really kind of puts them in a bind and then we, we have the union trying to communicate the rush of the communication. bear with the rush of things that are problem and your problem and look and say, well, let's talk, but they don't want to. i mean it's, it shows the weakness of the european union foreign policies, immigration policy, even leadership here because this can be resolved because we do have an example that golf air to one. i mean, they're willing to talk to turkey, not

a member of the european union about legal immigration. i'm not willing to talk to look at because what are they too proud? go ahead. right, well i think there are, there are 2 lessons to, to learn for the europe from the crisis and anything so far they have not been learning these lessons. one is if the parents are as concern as they should be about the security instability of the adjustment regions, north africa and the middle east. they perhaps should have stopped sourcing major decision making to the united states. that them full spray to internal american domestic politics. right? and they should take matters into their own hands, which they're not doing as, as you just mentioned. and markers just show. so they're asking for more kind of american and british support to take these, you know, to solve this issue for them. and that's a problem in the long run. and the 2nd lesson, i think that they're not learning that they should be learning is that turning

states into failed entities has long term consequences. so when, when they were all these interventions in syria, i've gotten on even iraq, i guess a huge number of these migrants and the polish bell, russian border, or iraqi purse. and you know what, what i think his mission in this discussion is how did they end up on the polish bell, russian border, and why would they go there and the 1st place, right? they're not, you're in there. i think there is little if any discussion on what's going on in the iraqi kurdistan, why would people go to, to, to europe now? and that these are serious questions that i think have not been at rest. and rather the aeroplanes keep looking for the factor in every single challenge that they face . and i don't think it's a long term solution markets with this issue with energy, their low to, to appreciate energy security,

migration, security. but, you know, at the same time, they say they have to demonize russia, but maybe the russian can figure it out. i mean, it's a very, we're trying to bomb adult, broached on all of the and if you right, we pointed out the, you case then true to poland. i mean, this all started out because the military decision in the middle east and now the best solution is what about just city now? how can we, we can negotiate the welfare of these people and the big around how they got there, why they got their presumably, presumably gentlemen, these quote unquote rescue. geez bought wayne tickets. so, i mean, these are well off refugees. i mean is there's always, they're always looking for a land game, but we don't even know who these people are. go ahead. well, of course, if america, britain and the european union was to sincerely analyze the reason for the migration crisis,

then it was totally annihilates. bear reasons for having intervened in both libya and syria. so obviously they are not going to go down that pathway. however, there is, and a very, very obvious reason. i play here as to why in focus is on russia. it is because the russia of today is not the russia of the 19 ninety's is flat, that may have putting was over yeltsin. if he was complying, westman wishes to western demands. if he allowed russia to be dependent on the international monetary fund, then you would say a very different approach from the west. but of course, the reality is that on the, it, not only has russia regained its independence, which it lost. so a very great extent during the 1990s, because it was on an iron,

met life support machine. not only that for them, it has returned russia as a great power. and even further, he has returned russia as a superpower. and of course, the americans look to russia as the only country which can truly challenge it's. it's hedge, a monic role in the well, they do not look at china in the same way because they know that the chinese economy is dependent on the american economy. so china is not able to challenge russia in the same way. and as i said to moments ago, the situation on the polish russian order is not about migrants, per se, is about russia is about finding another pretext, $2.00 to $4.00 meant for civil unrest in ballard. russia to demonize president

location in my estimation has been a very good job in keeping bell of every stable country since the end of the soviet union. and also it provides the west to continue beef enough. it's a military presence in nature and in the black sea region, that is what the, the crux of the matter is concerning. the tension on the polish russian border. it is about later increase in its presence along the russian order. i think it a psychological thing to, i mean brussels is, can't confidence back that there was and say no, they can say no. and when you get away with it here and because of that now they've taken options off the table. like i said, there's the error to one option you might might or might fine and practice. but it did resolve europe's problem. okay. and, but they are not willing to accord the same kind of policy towards the very reasons

the market says that explained to us go ahead months, right. i agree, and i will also add to that perhaps that i think kind of a me term challenge here is that, well, the rules may be kind of turn into what d p r k is for china. you know, when you put too much pressure on kim and refusal kind of neat options for negotiation that may, that may play you out. you know, north korea as a strategic leverage for china against regional rival, but also and beat pain in the neck. which i think if the current policy is word spell the risk continue, then russia would have to support, shall go on. a number of things that may not necessarily be in russia is own interests. but because you don't really have a better option than you have like even longer problem on your hands. but also as i mentioned before, europeans kind of far from the truth. the role here on the one hand to complain

about their security. on the other hand, they reduce to make their own transformation from a payer to a real player. you have to go to a hard, hard break. we'll continue our discussion in some real new state. oh, the we're allowing ourselves to be more efficient for quicker with our transactions, but with that comes a trade off. every device is a potential entry point for security at any machine. it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers. formidable women,

there's one comes option in the office. it's not a matter of. if it happens it's a matter of went to one of the mic. no, you know, borders like to tease you perish as a merge. we don't have a charity. we don't to look back. see a whole world needs to take action to be ready. people are judgment, common crisis with we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great. the response has been mess. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together

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welcome back to cross stock were all things considered on peter la bell? this is the home and just to remind you were discussing some real news. ah. change gears genuine. maxine, let's talk about ukraine and i have this really bad feeling of deja blue all over again because we had in the spring tensions we say very provocative rhetoric and even behavior. and then we seem to have a repeat b u. s. administration, the by the ministrations, it really is increased it's interest in, in, at the same time. mentioned we've been ukraine here. what is the message they're sending because it's very confusing, or maybe that's the whole point is to be opaque. ok. ok to, to rate a sense of unease,

but of course that in itself creates more tension. and obviously the russians are watching very carefully about as i was stressed over and over again. this from, this is an interest ukraine problem. personally trying to pull russia into it, your thoughts, my friend, go ahead. well, i think throughout its history, russia as a continental, our had to focus on 3 major fronts, you know, with the west east on goals. and now perhaps we'll keep an eye on china, but also in the south will the entire kind of central asia middle east direction. so the idea that i think has been very strong in the west, in the us in particular that rushes and chinese alignment may pose a greater challenge and rushing that act as a force multiplier to china is i think is very strong. so one reason to invoke these ukraine cards, so to say, as many policymakers in moscow believe is that,

you know, that kind of keeps moscow distracted from the eastern front, with china in, from the southern front, with syria and all the middle east policy. and you've been very, very busy in the west with ukraine. the 2nd thing, i think you mentioned the dash of who i even have, but even more dangerous. i mean, this is not a board game or guy. sure, very, very 14000 people have been killed by the government in the don. this is not a board game. this is very, very in europe. people. it is, it isn't, that is serious. and then you know the amendment, the talks about there's a who and i haven't even and other issue with august 2008. and i think that makes me very worried in the wake of the war in georgia. music right? didn't warn georgia and so south of santia, you know, a few couple of months before the 5 the war handle is a rice came to believe c. and you know, some say in private,

she argued, and a war instructor will score who provoke and russia and stuff, but in public, then they went and then, you know, provided security guarantees and stuff. so i think, you know, when talk to the american policy managers to visit key f. and then you know, you speak to people say, well, they actually, you know, encourage the landscape to focus on fighting corruption and stuff. but that's not what they say in public though. and they didn't talk about natal guarantees. insecurity reassurance is all they kind of stuff. so that seems a very dangerous message to authorities and then then go and escalate in the use of your brain. so that makes him very worried about prospects for what we may see in this crisis market. i'm really glad that mixing brought up august 2008 because i see the scenario playing out again. you have this very public propaganda barrage,

encouraging the ukranian. but there's a person named the metro jato is who is known. i figure even before the, my don, the europe in union, a ultra nationalist, even some people would describe him as a neo nazi he's, he's playing another key role in military thinking in kevin, his only goal is war is what is the goal is conflict. and when you have the secretary events in the united states, you know, going, giving them these out of boys and you know, where we got your back and, you know, in your inter, go to our security. all the other, you know, boiler plate nonsense that nato is putting out on a daily basis. this creates a very, very dangerous situation because obviously it's, i wag the dog situation that we could good way out here and there will be real consequences. go ahead mark. i have long described ukraine as rushes, soft underbelly, because without a if russia has

a ukraine on its border, which is also and which is in the west. it then, not only is that russia going to be weakened in europe, but it will be weakened in the world as a whole. and even worse than that, russian national security will be in peril. and of course, for nearly 8 years now, ukraine has been in the west all bit politically, economically, militarily. also culturally, the west has integrated ukraine into it. that is not to say, however, that russia doesn't have a leverage in ukraine because it most certainly does. so for example, millions of ukrainians, not just in the east of ukraine, not just in the south if you drink, but also in the center of ukraine,

regard themselves as part of the russian world. none the less ukraine is in the west orbit. and america and britain, which of course, all the heart and soul of nato, are intent on bring in the ukraine into its ranks. because a ukraine in the ranks of nights. so the main that russia is and so on it's western border, it would mean that russian supremacy in the black sea region would be seriously compromised. because even as we talk now, the americans are referred to shit, the courts at odessa and also off in ukraine to accommodate american and british will shit. so what we see at the moment in the black sea region and in ukraine is a measure that the americans and the british are going to take. they now have ukraine in their orbits. they are going to do, if the thing they possibly can,

with the exception of defending ukraine, militarily, they will do everything they can to ensure that ukraine remains in their presence. so one of the options to russia, well gosh, is options. she does have options in ukraine, and quite frankly, ukraine should never have been allowed to enter the west or beach in the 1st place . the dangers emanates at the end of 2013 in ukraine, and for russia were very obvious, but that is under the bridge, so to speak. the only way that you crane can be saved is for russia, you can clinical action. otherwise, the day will come when you crane and says night. so people could people very quickly, people, people could say that ukraine can only join at night. so if the situation in the

crime and the dumbass is resolved, but quite frankly here, could agree to reach all in its own way by it. forget about the crime. me, if it gets about the for the blue and on it, which has lost. and then in that scenario ukraine will be free to join night. so the way it all, by the way, folks, you know, it doesn't sound right when it comes up. that doesn't roll off the b u. k, and the united states are black, the pounds because they're not ordered by the but they're, they're met. same. i mean, the cynic in me tells me, is then kind of echoing, when you said, you mean given. when marcus had to say, but the united states to create a diplomatic crisis for rush over ukraine, suits them just fine. ok. i mean, encourage the government, you haven't, military is solves on what's called the da russia will react irrespective of the

outcome, the usb, that is a victory, right? russia would be isolated in the west military action because ukraine would not win . i mean, it's a, it's a very cynical game because every bad outcome in washington is perceived is a good outcome. go ahead max. well, i think if i were to look at the situation from, from the western point, it makes sense to when you have to focus on, you know, rivalry with china about russia is, is, is still a huge issue. you need to build kind of a new containment in a way to contain russia in the black sea. and in the, in the, in this, in its border with ukraine is one option, obviously. and a big one. there is also, i think, an illusion of that you can leave the court on board controlled escalation game with, with russia, where you supply your brain with certain weapons. and you maintain a certain degree of, you know, violence and escalation and intensity of the border with russia, and then hope you can still deter moscow against any hardcore option of retaliation

. which i think what the united states has now been trying to do by also sending, you know, c, h, e, for birds to moscow. and kind of making all this warning signals against you jack. but i think the red lines on the green have been told and repeated again and again, and what we're seeing now that they've been violating. and i think the entire situation is now being clean out again, around setting new rules and setting new stage for you know, the new brain obviously was not happy with the mens got worse. we right is, is the damping here. can see if russia will buckle it will lay except a strategic peter and i think all of this would agree that that's not in the car, but then reception then the west houses that if a certain combination, the russians will give up, that's not going to happen. and that's why i went on this program because i see this is a collision course. as i said, dasia, who all over again,

i ranked remind everyone during the spring intentions were very, very, to be are to the point where obviously bought a potential conflict was at hand here then would be the americans and they were going to send in ships into the black sea, then they decided not to and then for some reason the u. k. i will go there. i mean, obviously they didn't work. why did they think it's going to work now? go ahead. well, i hope it's not going to work. the moscow may also kind of, again, you know, consider some, some new tactics. perhaps also the ones that may include and use a force to reset the stage and to go earth crane to sign some new terms of agreement. and obviously i think 6 to renegotiate the main skip course study beliefs were not in it's in its interest, but i can't agree more with you. it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous trend towards

a new collision course. i can finish up. whereas markets, what are the chances in my opinion of a war between russia and america over ukraine, or negligible, but the chances of an accidental or i'm very much alive and well. that's what we worry about here. this miscalculation need play a game of chicken. one side may decide to go through with that. and then when one side decides to go through with that, you both end up in it. okay. what we're hoping to avoid here. i'll get gentlemen, that's all the time we have the i want to thank my guess in moscow in london them. i think our viewers for watching us here are the see in x. i'm remember, ah, a water around the try, a seal island that's in contention between canada and the united states, where the government has suddenly become optimal for lobster. our populations years

exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and tensions or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be cost that would be significant to poke countries. quarter disputes don't go away. they just ask, are some things going to happen? who driven by dreaming shaped interest in in there's

things we dare to ask. oh for new york, it's really what america is about ah, when our mayor took our place, he was elected because of his campaign on our city, being a tale of 2 cities, the haves and i have not. and those who have not are usually the ones who wind up being buried on hard i. the city is always wanted to forget about hold island. city is wanted to forget about the people who are buried there is wanted to forget about the fact that there is a potters field that there was a place where difficult stories are hidden. the fact that we're using inmates to

maintain this act as burial site, where 1000000 souls are buried, where so much of new york city history is buried is document of the inequality that has existed in this city. for centuries. ah, financials, i did a read all the money laundering 1st. it is cash to 3 different. oh good. this is a good start. well, we have our 3 bags all set up here. maybe something in europe, something in america, something overseas in the game. and i was, you know, all these rights are complicit in the club. barbara, we just have to give them a call, but hey, i'm ready to do some serious my laundry. ok. let's see how we did. well, we've got a nice luxury watch for max and for stacy. oh, beautiful jewelry. and how about ha ha. luxury automobile again for mag? you know it, money, water is highly regal. copier watch has

a report. ah, breaking news this our naughty international, a reporter, and a camera man from our sister channel. our t frogs had been detained by polish police on that bella roast border while covering the ongoing migrant crisis in just a minute. we'll cross live to that florida. also in the program, poland in poland, is demanding now action from its nato, allied to resolve the border crisis, and wild european powers point the finger of blame of russia. president putin says it's a problem of europe's own, making. sure. in europe, they themselves created the conditions for hundreds of thousands of people to go that and now they looking for culprits to absorb themselves of responsibility. take care of your internal problems, don't shift your issues.