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ah hello and welcome to cross stock, were all things considered on peter labelle, the e u and bear rose red odds over illegal immigration. guess what men's cast, the higher cards. also, washington is again, increasing tensions within ukraine. is the bike administration looking to score a foreign policy victory to reflect from crises at home? ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos and london. he's a historian analyst, an author of the book arrives russia, the return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow we have maxine, huge golf. he is director of center for advanced american studies at moscow state

institute of international relations. or gentleman cross talk rules and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i know with marcus in london, well, the story with roots in poland is gaining attention and intensity by the way, about the legal immigration. now the, what the you was saying, and particularly the polls is that these people are being dumped on to them. but the brussels is very hesitant for borders and not to speak of walls here. but more and more people coming through their roost is saying these people are transiting here. there's something much more play here. and i think it is, is that the local shank of the russian president? he's basically saying you want to resolve this issue. you have to talk to me, don't keep talking to says he doesn't want to talk about it. it's really, bill is, is forcing an issue for the european union to actually start recognizing that has

legitimate interests here. because we've seen that as they don't want to have any kind of dialogue, your thoughts, markets go ahead. pizza, allow me to clarify a very important matter. there is only one migrant crisis, a golfing europe, and that is a migrant crisis, which is in its 10th year now caused by america. britain and france have been de stabilized both libya and syria for having supported islamist terrorists in both countries, which has resulted in well over 1000000 migrants enter in europe, most of whom have not come from libya and syria, but turn into the tension on the polish fellow, russian, buddha, the g, a strategic mentions to that are as follows. america and britain are attempting

immense civil unrest in belarus or it's historic a, in the hope that fermenting civil unrest in the country will assist them in their quest to initiate a crew in bella, russia against president alex on to look to shame that towards rest. so bella, russia from moscow is all bit and place. it's in the west of it, which would result in the western border of the russian federation from the old, 60, to the black sea. being entirely in circles enclosed by countries which are in the west all bit that would be a tremendously dangerous situation for russia. now, was the chances of western crew embellish occurring all, negligible, none the less, any thing is possible. there is also another dimension to this,

america and britain on looking for a pretext to continue increase in nature's presence along the russian order, both soldiery and weaponry. and by election ballot, russia back to by russia is attempting to stabilize the european union, the stabilize later by allowing migrant illegal migrants to enter europe. that serves as a pretext for increasing nato's presence in the east. and what has happened? well, just in the last few days, paid for british soldiers have been dispatched to poland to advise the polish government on how to secure it's florida. well, that's quite laughable for a number of reasons. one of them is that the british states doesn't see to dispatch

british soldiers to, to defend britons bold as against illegal migrants who are crossed in being those channel on a daily basis. indeed, only a few days ago, 1000 illegal migrants entered on one day alone. yeah. the so tension between the european union and embarrass, let's see, really shows the, the, the wanting immigration policy of the european union. because as marcus is pointed out here is that brussels is basically just dropped the bone because, you know, they're not particularly happy with the holes in the 1st place right now for a lot of other internal union issues here. so it really kind of puts them in a bind and then we, we have the union trying to communicate the rush of the communication. bear with the rush of things that are problem. it's your problem here and look a shank and say, well, let's talk but they don't want to. i mean it's,

it shows the weakness of the european union foreign policies, immigration policy, even leadership here because this can be resolved because we do have an example. my name is gall air on ok. i mean, they're willing to talk to turkey, not a member of the european union about legal immigration, but i'm not willing to talk because what are they too proud? go ahead. right, well i think there are, there are 2 lessons to, to learn for the europe from the crisis and anything so far they have not been learning these 2 lessons. one is if the parents are as concern as they should be about the security instability of the adjustment regions, north africa and the middle east. they perhaps should have stopped sourcing major decision making to the united states. that them full spray to internal american domestic politics. right? and they should take matters into their own hands, which they're not doing as, as you just mentioned. and markers just show. so they're asking for more kind of

american and british support to take these, you know, to solve this issue for that. and that's a problem in the long run. and the 2nd lesson, i think that they're not learning that they should be learning is that turning states into failed entities has long term consequences. so when, when they were old, these interventions in syria, i've gotten on even iraq, i guess a huge number of these migrants and the polish bell, russian border, or iraqi purse. and you know what, what i think is missing in this discussion is how did they end up on the polish bell, russian border, and why would they go there in the 1st place, right. they're not, you're in there. i think there is little if any discussion of what's going on in the iraqi kurdistan, why would people go to, to, to europe now? and that these are serious questions that i think have not been rason, brother, the or p. and keep looking for the core factor in every single challenge that they

face. and i don't think it's a long term solution markets with this issue with energy, their loan to, to appreciate oh, and energy security, migration security. but, you know, at the same time, they say they have to demonize russia, but maybe the russian can figure it out. i mean, it's a very, we're trying to buy a lesson broached on policy. and if you rightfully pointed out the you case, then true to poland, i mean, this all started out because of military decision in the middle east. and now the best solution is the central. what about just city now? how can we, we can negotiate the welfare of these people and the big around how they got there, why they got their presumably, presumably gentlemen, these quote unquote rescue, geez bought wayne tickets. so, i mean, these are well off refugee. i mean, is there's always, they're always looking for a land game, but we don't even know who these people are. go ahead. well, of course, if america,

britain and the european union was to sincerely analyze the reasons for the migration crisis, then it was totally annihilates their reasons for having intervened in both libya and syria. so obviously they are not going to go down that pathway. however, there is, and a very, very obvious reason. i play here, i so why focus is on russia. it is because the russia of today is not the russia of the 1990s is flat, that may uprooting was over. and if he was compliant, so weston wishes to western demands. if he allowed russia to be dependent on the international monetary fund, then you would say a very different approach from the west. but of course,

the reality is that on the plaza, it not only has russia regained its independence, which it lost. so a very great extent during the 1990s because it was on and i, and met life supports machine. not only that, for them it puts in, has returned russia as a great power. and even for he has returned russia as a superpower. and of course, the americans look to russia as the only country which can truly challenge it. hm. it's hedge. a monic role in the well, they do not look at china in the same way because they know that the chinese economy is dependent on the american economy. so china is not able to challenge russia in the same way. and as i said to moments ago, the situation, the whole issue of russian order is not about migrants, per se, is about russia is about find in another pretext,

$2.00 to $4.00 meant for civil unrest in ballard, russia to demonize president, location in my estimation has been a very good job in keeping bell of every state. ready country since the end of the soviet union, and also it provides the west to continue beef and out. it's a military presence in nature and in the black sea region. that is what the, the crux of the matter is concerning. the tension on the polish russian border. it is about later increase in its presence along the russian order. but i think it was kind of a psychological thing to, i mean brussels this can't confidence back that there was and say no, they can say no. and then when you get away with it here, and because of that now they've taken options out of the table. like i said,

there's the error. one option you might might, might by then. but it did resolve your problem. ok. and they're not willing to accord the same kind of policy towards the very reasons that market explain to us i had. right. i agree, and i would also add to that perhaps that i think kind of a me term challenge here is that, well, the rules may be a kind of turn into what g p a r k is for china. you know, when you put too much pressure on kim and refusal kind of neat options for negotiation. that me, that way you have, you know, north korea as a strategic leverage for china against regional rival, but also a big pain in the neck. which i think if the current policies towards bell risk continue, then russia would have to support move to share and go on a number of things that may not necessarily be in russia's own interest. but

because you don't really have a better option than you have like it even longer problem on your hands. but also, as i mentioned before, if europeans kind of are playing a trick role here, you know, on the one hand they complain about their security. on the other hand, they refuse to make their own transformation from a payer to a real player. to a heartbreak about heartbreak, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate. ah, ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about personal intelligence at that point, obviously is to great track rather than fear.

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change gears, gentlemen maxime, let's talk about ukraine and i have this really bad feeling of deja vu all over again because we had in the spring tensions we've taken a very provocative rhetoric and even behavior. and then we seem to have a repeat b u. s. administration, the by the ministration really is increased its interest and it's the same time mentioned within ukraine. here, what is the message they're sending because it's very confusing or maybe that's the whole point is to be open. ok to, to read a sense of unease, but of course that in itself creates more attention. and obviously the russians are watching very carefully about as i will stress over and over again. this from, this is an intro ukraine problem. definitely trying to pull russia into it,

your thoughts, my friend, go ahead. well, i think throughout its history, russia as a continental, our had to focus on 3 major fronts, you know, with the west east on goals. and now perhaps we'll keep an eye on china, but also in the south will the entire kind of central asia middle east direction. so the idea that i think has been very strong in the west, in the us in particular that rushes and chinese alignment may pose a greater challenge and rushing, they act as a force multiplier to china is i think is very strong. so one reason to invoke these ukraine cards, so to say, as many policymakers moscow believe is that, you know, that kind of keeps moscow distracted from the eastern front with china and from the southern front with syria and all the middle east policy. and you've been very, very busy in the last week with ukraine. the 2nd thing, i think you mentioned the desert, who i even have with even more kind of dangerous. i mean this is not

a board game. shermer. very, very 14000 people have been killed by the government in the don. this is not a board game. this is very sorry to interrupt people. is it isn't that is serious. and then you know, the management, the talks about there's a who and i haven't even and other issue with august 2008. and i think that makes me very worried in the wake of the war in georgia. be the right it in the war in georgia and so south of santia, you know, a few couple of months before the 5 the war. honda, lisa rice came to believe c. and you know, some say in private, she argued and war instructors will, again, score who provoked and russia and stuff, but in public, then they went and then, you know, provided security guarantees and stuff. so i think, you know, when talk to the american policy managers to visit key f. and then you know,

you speak to people say, well, they actually, you know, encourage the landscape to focus on fighting corruption and stuff. but that's not what they say in public though. and they didn't talk about natal guarantees. insecurity reassurance is all they kind of stuff. so that seems a very dangerous message to authorities and then then go and escalate in the use of your brain. so that makes him very worried about prospects for what we may see in this crisis market. and i'm really glad that mixing brought up august 2008 because i see the scenario playing out again. you have this very public propaganda barrage, encouraging the ukrainian, but there's a person named metro jato is who is known. i figure even before the, my don, the europe in union, a ultra nationalist, even some people would describe him as a neo nazi he's,

he's playing another key role in military thinking in kevin, his only goal is war is what is the goal is conflict. and when you have the secretary of defense in the united states, you know, going, giving them these out of boys and you know, where we got your back and, you know, in your inter, go to our security, all the other, you know, boiler plate nonsense that nato is putting out on a daily basis. this creates a very, very dangerous situation, because obviously it's, i wag the dog situation that we could good way out here and there will be real consequences. go ahead, mark. i have long described that ukraine as rushes soft underbelly, because without a way, if russia has a ukraine on its border, which is also and which is in the west of it. then not only is that russia going to be weakened in europe, but it will be weakened in the world as

a whole. and even worse than that, russian national security will be in peril. and of course, for nearly 8 years now, ukraine has been in the west all bit politically, economically, militarily. also culturally, the west has integrated ukraine into it. that is not to say, however, that russia doesn't have a leverage in ukraine because it most certainly does. so for example, millions of ukrainians, not just in the east of ukraine, not just in the south if you drink, but also in the center of pain, regard themselves as part of the russian. well, nonetheless, ukraine is in the west orbit. and america and britain, which of course of the heart and soul of nature,

are intent on bring in the ukraine into its ranks because a ukraine in the rank of night. so the main that russia is and so on its western border, it would mean that russian supremacy in the black sea region would be seriously compromised. because even as we talk now, the americans are referred pushing the pools at odessa and also off in ukraine to accommodate american and british will shit. so what we see at the moment in the black sea region and in ukraine is a measure that the americans in the british are going to take. they now have ukraine in there or bit, they are going to do if the thing they possibly can, with the exception of defending ukraine, militarily, they will do everything they can to ensure that ukraine remains in their presence. so one of the options to russia, well gosh,

is options. she does have options in ukraine, and quite frankly, ukraine should never have been allowed to enter the west or beach in the 1st place . the dangers emanates at the end of 2013 in ukraine, and for russia were very obvious, but that is under the bridge, so to speak. the only way that you crane can be saved is for russia taken clinical action. otherwise, the day will come. when you crane and night, so people could see people very quickly piece of people could say that ukraine can only join night. so if the situation in the crime and the dumbass is result of quite frankly here, could agree to rejoin its own way by it. forget about the crime me if it gets about the for the blue and on it, which has lost. and then in that scenario,

ukraine would be free to join night. so, the way it all, by the way, folks, you know, it doesn't sound right when it comes out that when does it roll off the b u. k. and the united states are black. the pounds because they're not florida, but they're, they're met. same. i mean, the cynic in me tells me, is then kind of echoing, when you said, you mean given with marcus had to say, but the united states to create a diplomatic crisis for rush over ukraine suits them just fine. ok. i mean, encourage the government, you have a military assault on what's called the balance. russia will react irrespective of the outcome, the usb, that is a victory, right? russia would be isolated in the west military action because ukraine would not win . i mean, it's a, it's a very cynical game because every bad outcome is washington is perceived is

a good outcome. go ahead max. well, i think if i were to look at the situation from, from the western point, it makes sense to when you have to focus on, you know, rivalry with china. but russia uses is still a huge issue. you need to build kind of a new containment in a way to contain russia in the black sea. and in the, in the, in this, in its border with ukraine is one option, obviously. and a big one. there is also, i think, an illusion of that you can leave the court on board controlled escalation game with, with russia, where you supply your brain with certain weapons. and you maintain a certain degree of, you know, violence and escalation and intensity of the border with russia, and then hope you can still deter moscow against any hardcore option of retaliation . which i think what the united states has now been trying to do by also sending, you know, c a g for bill birth to moscow. and kind of making all this warning signals against your jack. but i think the red lines on the green have been told and repeated again

and again, and we're seeing now that they've been violating. and i think the entire situation is now being clean out again, around setting new rules and setting new stage for you know, the new brain obviously was not happy with the mens get worse. we right, is, is the damping here and see if the russia will buckle it will lay except a strategic peter. and i think all 3 of us would agree that that's not in the car, but then the reception then the west has that a certain combination. the russians will give up, that's not going to happen and that's why i went on this program because i see this is a collision course. as i said, days all over again. i ranked, remind everyone during the spring intentions were very, very, to be are to the point where obviously bought a potential conflict was at hand. here then be the americans said they were going to send in ships into the black sea. then they decided not to and then for some

reason the u. k. i will go who they're, i mean, obviously they didn't work. why did they think it's going to work now? go ahead. well, i hope it's not going to work. the moscow may also kind of, again, you know, consider some, some new tactics. perhaps also the ones that may include and use a force to reset the stage and to go earth crane to sign some new terms of agreement. and obviously, i think 6 to renegotiate the main skip course study beliefs were not in it's in its interest, but i can't agree more with you. it's a dangerous it's a dangerous trend towards a new collision course. i can finish up for us, marcus. well, of course, the chances in my opinion of a war between russia and america over ukraine or negligible, but the chances of an accidental or i'm very much alive and well. that's what we

worry about your this miscalculation me play a game of chicken. one side may decide to go through with it, and then when once i decide to go through with you both end up in it, ok. what we're hoping to avoid here. i'll get gentlemen. that's all the time we have. you want to think my guess in moscow when lending them, i think our viewers for watching is here to see you next. i'm remember ah, ah, a sheep out. because the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.

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