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hello in welcome to cross stock where all things are considered 9. peter labelle, the e and bear rose red odds over illegal immigration. guess what meant catch the higher cards. also, washington is again increasing tensions within ukraine. is the bike administration looking to score a foreign policy victory to reflect from crises at home? ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos in london. he's a historian analyst, an author of the book, arise or the return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow we have maxine, shoot off. he is director of the center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. originally cross stock rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i know

with marcus in london, well the story with in poland is gaining attention and intensity by the way, about the legal immigration. now the what the e u is saying, and particularly the polls is that these people are being dumped on to them. but brussels is very hesitant for orders and not to speak of walls here. but there are more and more people coming to bear roost is saying these people are transiting here. there's something much more at play here. and i think it is. is that the, the lucas shank of the beer russian president. he's basically saying you want to resolve this issue. you have to talk to me. keep talking open says he doesn't want to talk about it. it's really there is this forcing an issue for the european union to actually start recognizing that there is as legitimate interest here. because we've seen that that they don't want to have any kind of dialogue, your thoughts,

markets go ahead. a allow me to clarify a very important matter. there is only one migrant crisis and go to europe. and that is a minor crisis which isn't. it is now caused by america, britain and france have in the stabilize both libya and syria through having supported islamist terrorists in both countries, which has resulted in well over 1000000 migrants and sure in europe, most of whom have not come from libya and syria. but turn into the tension on the polish russian. buddha, the g, a strategic dimensions to that are as follows. america and britain are attempting to ferment civil unrest in belarus. or it's historic a, in the hope for mentoring civil unrest in the country will assist them in the quest

to initiate coo in bella, russia against president alex on the look. that would wrestle bella from moscow bit and place it in the west, which would result in the western border of the russian federation from the black sea being entirely encircled and close by countries which are in the west, all bits. that would be a tremendously dangerous situation. for russia now, was the chances of to embellish a current all next, negligible, none the less anything is possible. there is also another dimension to this america and britain on looking for a pretext to continue increase in nature's presence along the russian

order. both soldiery and weaponry and bi election that bella russia back by russia is attempting to stabilize the european union, the stabilize by allowing migrant illegal migrants to enter europe. that serves as a pretext for increasing nato's presence in the east. and what has happened? well, just in the last few days, paid for british soldiers have been dispatched to poland to advise the polish government on how to secure it. well, that's quite laughable for a number of reasons, but one of them is that the british states doesn't see fit to dispatch british soldiers to over to defend britain's borders against illegal migrants who are crossing the english channel on a daily basis. indeed, only a few days ago,

1000 illegal migrants entered. don't fall on one day alone. yeah. that so tension between the european union and there is actually a really shows the, the, the wanting immigration policy of the european union. because as marcus is pointed out here is that process is basically just drop the bone because, you know, they're not particularly happy with the holes in the 1st place right now for a lot of other internal union issues here. so really kind of puts them in a bind and then we, we have a union trying to communicate russia, the communication bearers, the russian, things about our problem and your problem. and look, shank is saying, well, let's talk, but they don't want to, i mean it's, it shows the weakness of the, of european european union foreign policy. it's immigration policy, even leadership here because this can be resolved because we do have an example. my

name is golf, eric on. ok. i mean they're willing to talk to turkey, not a member of the european union about legal immigration, but they're not willing to talk to because what are they too proud? go ahead. right. well, i think there are, there are 2 lessons to, to learn for the europe from the crisis and anything so far they have not been learning these 2 lessons. one is if your opinions are as concern as they should be about the security instability of the adjustment regions, north africa and the middle east. they perhaps should have stopped out sourcing major decision making to the united states. that them full spray to internal american domestic politics. right. and they should take matters into their own hands, which they're not doing as, as you just mentioned. and markers just show. so they're asking for more kind of american and british support to take these, you know, to solve this issue for them. and that's a problem in the long run. and the 2nd lesson,

i think that they are not learning that they should be learning is that turning states into failed entities has long term consequences. so when, when they were all these interventions in syria garnished on even iraq, i guess a huge number of these migrants and the polish bell, russian border, or iraqi purse. and you know what, what i think his mission in this discussion is how did they end up on the polish bell, the russian border and why would they go there and the 1st place, right? they're not, you're in there. i think there is little the discussion on what's going on in the iraqi kurdistan. why would people go to, to, to europe now? and that these are a serious questions that i think have not been resin. rather, the europe keep looking for the quota to factor in every single challenge that they face. and i don't think it's a long term solution. markets with this issue with energy, their low to, to appreciate oh, and energy security, migration security. but,

you know, at the same time, they say they have to demonize russia, but maybe the russian can figure it out. i mean, it's a very, we're trying to buy a lesson, broached foreign policy. and if you rightfully pointed out the you case, then true to poland, i mean, this all started out because of military decisions in the middle east. and now the best solution, this is central. what about just city now? how can we, we can negotiate the welfare of these people and the big around how they got there, why they got their presumably, presumably gentlemen, these quote unquote rescue, geez bought wayne tickets. so, i mean, these are well off refugee. i mean, is there's always, they're always looking for a land game, but we don't even know who these people are. go ahead. well, of course, if america, britain and the european union were to sincerely analyze the reasons for the

migration crisis, then it was totally annihilate their reasons for having intervened in both libya and syria. so obviously they are not going to go down that pathway. however, there is a very, very obvious reason play as to why our focus is on russia. it is because the russia of today is not the russia of the 19 ninety's. if flat them, it was a if he was compliant to western wishes to western demands. if he allowed russia to be dependent on the international monetary fund, then you would say a very different approach on the west. but of course, the reality is that under vladimir putin, not only has russia regained it independence, which it lost. so

a very great extent during the 1990s, because it was on and i, and met life supports machine. not only that for them, it has returned russia as a great power. and even for he has returned russia as a superpower. and of course, the americans look to russia as the only country which can truly challenge it's. it's hedge and want to go in the well, they do not look at china in the same way because they know that the chinese economy is dependent on the american economy. so china is not able to challenge russia in the same way. and as i said to moments ago, the situation, the whole issue of russian order is not about migrants, per se, is about russia. it is about finding another pretext to, to ferment further civil unrest by the marcia to demonize president lucas,

who in my estimation has done a very good job in keeping bell russia. i've every stable. ready country since the end of the soviet union and also it provides the west to continue b. philip, it's a military presence in nature and in the black sea region, that is what the, the crux of the matter is concerning. the tension of the polish of us and it is about nato increasing its presence along the russian order. i think it was kind of like a logical thing to me. brussels is, can't competence. the fact that there was gonna say no, they can say no. and then get away with them here. and because of that, they've taken options off of the table. like i said, there's the air to one option. you might or might not find that practice, but it did resolve europe problem. ok. and,

but they're not willing to accord the same kind of policy towards the very reasons that market says explain to us, go ahead, right. i agree, and i will also add to that perhaps that i think kind of a me term challenge here is that, well, the rules may be kind of turn into what d p r k is for china. you know, when you put too much pressure on kim and refusal kind of neat options for the ocean that may, that may play out, you know, north korea as a strategic leverage for china against regional rival, but also and beat pain in the neck. which i think if the current policies towards spell the risk continue, then russia would have to support to share and go on a number of things that may not would be in russia's own interests. but because you don't really have a better option than you have like it even longer problem on your hands. but also,

as i mentioned before, if europeans kind of are playing a trick role here, you know, on, on the one hand they complain about their security. on the other hand, they refuse to make their own transformation from a payer to a real player. you have to go to a heartbreak about heartbreak. we'll continue our discussion on some real new say ah, ah, this was a bargain that was may 2025 years ago under a clinton, as a matter of fact. and they brought china into the world trade organization, the w t o. this was a quick probe, well that we're going to essentially give america a huge break on flat screen tv. but within 2045 years, we're going to bankrupt the country and that's what's happening now. ah,

the welcome at the cross type were all things are considered. peter la bell, this is the home and just to remind you were discussing some real news. news. i change gears generally maxime, let's talk about ukraine and i have this really bad feeling of deja vu all over again because we had in the spring tensions we say for very provocative rhetoric and even behavior. and then we seem to have a repeat b u. s. administration, the by the ministration really is increased its interest and it's the same time mentioned within ukraine. here, what is the message they're sending because it's very confusing or maybe best. the

whole point is to be open. ok to, to read a sense of unease, but of course that in itself creates more attention. and obviously the russians are watching very carefully about as i was stressed over and over again. this from, this is an interest ukraine problem. definitely trying to pull russia into it, your thoughts, my friend, go ahead. well, i think throughout its history, russia as a continental, our had to focus on 3 major fronts, you know, with the west east on goals. and now perhaps we'll keep an eye on china, but also in the south will the entire kind of central asia middle east direction. so the idea that i think has been very strong in the west, in the us in particular that rushes and chinese alignment may pose a greater challenge and rushing, they act as a force multiplier to china is i think is very strong. so one reason to invoke

these ukraine cards, so to say, as many policymakers moscow believe is that, you know, that kind of keeps moscow distracted from the eastern front with china and from the southern, from, with syria and all the middle east policy. and you've been very, very busy in the west with ukraine. the 2nd thing, i think you mentioned the dash of who i even have with even more. i just kind of dangerous. i mean this is not a board game. we're guy. sure. very, very 14000 people have been killed by the government in the don back. this is not a board game. this is very sorry to interrupt people. is it isn't that is serious. and then you know, the management, the talks about there's a who and i haven't even and other issue with august 2008. and i think that makes me very worried in the wake of the war in georgia. music. right. and then the war in georgia and so south of santia, you know,

a few couple of months before the 5 the war handle is arise. came to believe c. and you know, some say in private, she argued and war instructors will, again, score who provoked and russia and stuff, but in public, then they went and then, you know, provided security guarantees and stuff. so i think, you know, when talk to the american policy managers to visit key f. and then you know, you speak to people say, well, they actually, you know, encourage the landscape to focus on fighting corruption and stuff. but that's not what they say in public though. and they didn't talk about natal guarantees. insecurity reassurance is all they kind of stuff. so that seems a very dangerous message to authorities and then they go and escalate in the use of your brain. so that makes him very worried about prospects for what we may see in this crisis market. and i'm really glad that mixing brought up august 2008 because

i see the scenario playing out again. you have this very public propaganda barrage, encouraging the ukrainian, but there's a person named metro jato is who is known. i figure even before the, my don, the europe in union, a ultra nationalist, even some people would describe him as a neo nazi he's, he's playing another key role in military thinking in kevin, his only goal is war is what is the goal is conflict. and when you have the secretary of the united states, you know, going, giving them these out of boys and you know, where we got your back and, you know, in your inter, go to our security. all the other, you know, boiler plate nonsense that nato is putting out on a daily basis. this creates a very, very dangerous situation because obviously it's, i wag the dog situation that we could good way out here and there will be real

consequences. go ahead mark. i have long described um ukraine as rushes soft underbelly. because without a way, if russia has a ukraine on its border, which is also and which is in the west of it. then not only is that russia going to be weakened in europe, but it will be weakened in the wells as a whole. and even worse than that, russian national security will be in peril. and of course, for nearly 8 years now, ukraine has been in the west all bit politically, economically, militarily. also culturally, the west has integrated ukraine into it or bit. that is not to say, however, that russia doesn't have a leverage in ukraine because it most certainly does. so for example,

millions of ukrainians, not just in the east of ukraine, not just in the south if you drink, but also in the center of ukraine, regard themselves as part of the russian world. none the less ukraine is in the west orbit. and america and britain, which of course, all the heart and soul of nato, are intent on bring in the ukraine into its ranks. because a ukraine in the rank of nights. so the main that russia is and so on its western border, it would mean that russian supremacy in the black sea region would be seriously compromised. because even as we talk now, the americans are referred to shit. the at odessa, an article in ukraine to accommodate american and british will shit. so what we see at the moment in the black sea region and in ukraine is

a measure that the americans in the british are going to take. they now have ukraine in their orbits. they are going to do if the thing they possibly can, with the exception of defending ukraine, militarily, they will do everything they can to ensure that ukraine remains in their presence. so one of the options to russia, well gosh, is options. she does have options in ukraine, and quite frankly, ukraine should never have been allowed to enter the west or beach in the 1st place . the dangers emanates at the end of 2013 in ukraine, and for russia were very obvious, but that is under the bridge, so to speak. the only way that you crane can be saved is for russia, you can clinical action. otherwise, the day will come when you crane and says night. so people could people very

quickly, people, people could say that ukraine can only join at night. so if the situation in the crime and the dumbass is result of, quite frankly here, could agree to read through in its own way by it forgets about the crimea. if it gets about the for the blue and on it, which has lost. and then in that scenario, ukraine will be free to join night. so the way it all, by the way, folks, you know, it doesn't sound right when it comes up. that doesn't roll off the b u. k. and the united states are black. the pounds because they're not already done by the but they're, they're met same. i mean, the cynic in me tells me, is then kind of echoing, when you said, you mean given, when marcus had to say, but the united states to create a diplomatic crisis for rush over ukraine suits them just fine. ok. i mean,

encourage the government, you have a military assault on what's called the don dance. russia will react, irrespective of the outcome, the usb, that is a victory. russia would be isolated in the west military action because ukraine would not win. i mean, it's a, it's a very cynical game because every bad outcome is washington is perceived is a good outcome. go ahead max. well, i think if i were to look at the situation from, from the west and point it makes sense to when you have to focus on, you know, rivalry with china. but russia is, is, is feel a huge issue. you need to build kind of a new containment in a way to contain russia in the black sea. and in the, in the, in this, in its border with ukraine is one option, obviously. and a big one. there is also, i think, an illusion of that you can leave the court on board controlled escalation game with, with russia, where you supply your brain with certain weapons. and you maintain

a certain degree of, you know, violence and escalation and intensity of the border with russia, and then hope you can still deter moscow against any hardcore option of retaliation . which i think what the united states has now been trying to do by also sending, you know, c, h, e, for birds to moscow. and kind of making all this warning signals against you jack. but i think the red lines on the green have been told and repeated again and again, and we're seeing now that they've been violating. and i think the entire situation is now being clean out again, around setting new rules and setting new stage for you know, the new brain obviously was not happy with the mens get worse. we right, is, is the damping here and see if the russia will buckle it will lay except a strategic peter. and i think all of this would agree that that's not in the car, but then reception then the west is that a certain combination, the russians will give up. that's not going to happen. and that's why i went on

this program because i see this is a collision course. as i said, dasia all over again. i ranked remind everyone during the spring intentions were very, very, to be are to the point where obviously a potential conflict was at hand here. then be the americans said they were going to send in ships into the black sea, then they decided not to. and then for some reason the u. k. type will go there. i mean, obviously they didn't work. why did they think it's going to work now? go ahead. well, i hope it's not going to work. the moscow may also kind of again, you know, consider some, some new tactics. perhaps also the ones that may include and use a force to reset the stage and to go earth crane to sign some new terms of agreement. and obviously, i think 6 to renegotiate the mean scores that it believes were not in it's in its

interest. but i can't agree more with you. it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous trend towards a new collision course. i can finish up whereas markets, what are the chances in my opinion of a war between russia and america over ukraine or negligible, but the chance of an accidental or i'm very much alive and well. that's what we worry about here. this miscalculation need play a game of chicken. one side may decide to go through with it. and then when one side decides to go through with you both end up in it. ok, that's what we're hoping to avoid here. ok gentlemen, that's all the time we have. you want to think my guess in moscow when one of them, i think our viewers for watching is here to see you next. i'm remember ah, join me every posted on the alex salmon. sure. i'll be speaking to guess in the

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