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ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter labelle, the e. u and bear rose red odds over illegal immigration. guess what men's cast, the higher cards, also washington is again increasing tensions within ukraine. is the by been ministration looking to score a foreign policy victory to reflect from crises at home? ah, we discussed these issues and more and joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos and london. he's a historian analyst, an author of the book arrives rossier the return of russia to world politics. and

here in moscow we have maxine, huge golf. he is director of the center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations, or a gentleman cross the rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i know with marcus in london, well, the story with us in poland is gaining attention and intensity by the way, about the legal immigration. now the what the e u is saying, and particularly the polls is that these people are being dumped on to them. but the brussels is very hesitant for borders and not to speak of walls here. but more and more people coming to their room to saying these people are transiting here. there's something much more at play here. and i think it is. is that the local shank of the russian president, he's basically saying you want to resolve this issue. you have to talk to me. don't keep talking to says he doesn't want to talk about it. it's really, bill is,

is forcing an issue for the european union to actually start recognizing that has legitimate interests here. because we've seen that as they don't want to have any kind of dialogue, your thoughts, markets go ahead. pizza, allow me to clarify a very important matter. there is only one migrant crisis, a golf in europe, and that is a migrant crisis which isn't its 10th year now caused by america. britain and france have been de stabilized both libya and syria for having supported islamist terrorists in both countries, which has resulted in well over 1000000 migrants enter in europe, most of whom have not come from libya and syria, but turn into the tension on the polish fellow, russian, buddha, the g, a strategic dimensions that are as follows. america and britain are attempting to

for men's civil unrest in the elevators or it's historic. canadian circle name is bela russia. in the hoop for mentoring civil unrest in the country will assist them in their quest to initiate accrued embellish against presidents alex on the look that would wrestle with ela. basha from moscow is orbit and place it in the west orbit, which would result in the west and both of the russian federation from the sea to the black sea been entirely encircled, enclosed by countries which are in the west's orbits. that would be a tremendously dangerous situation for russia now, once the chances of a western crew embellish occurring all next, negligible,

nonetheless, anything is possible. there is also another dimension to this, america and britain all looking for a pretext to continue increasing. nato is the presence along with the russian odor, both soldiery and weaponry, and by election ballot. russia backed by russia, is attempting to stabilize the european union. the stabilize nato. by allowing migrants illegal migrants to enter europe. that serves as a pretext for increasing his presence in the east. and what has happened? well, just in the last few days, pater, british soldiers have been dispatched to poland to advise the polish government on how to secure its order. well, that's quite laughable for a number of reasons. one of the pizza is this,

that the british states doesn't see fit to dispatch a british soldiers to nobody, to defend britons bold as against illegal migrants who i trust in being those channel on a daily basis. indeed, only a few days ago, 1000 illegal migrants entered on one day alone. yeah. the so tension between the european union and embarrass, lexi really shows the, the, the wanting immigration policy of the european union. because as marcus is pointed out, here is a process is basically just dropped the bone because, you know, they're not particularly happy with the holes in the 1st place right now for a lot of other internal union issues here. so it really kind of puts them in a bind and then we, we have the european union trying to communicate to russia to communicate bear with the russian, things that are problem. it's your problem and look a shank and say,

well let's talk but they don't want to. i mean it's, it shows the weakness of the european european union foreign policy, immigration policy, even leadership here, because this can be resolved because we do have an example that maybe go err on. okay. i mean, they're willing to talk to turkey, not a member of the european union about legal immigration, but they're not willing to talk because what are they too proud? go ahead. right, well i think there are, there are 2 lessons to, to learn for the europe from the crisis and anything so far they have not been learning these 2 lessons. one is if the parents are as concern as they should be about the security instability of the adjustment regions, north africa and the middle east. they perhaps should have stopped out sourcing major decision making to the united states. that them full spray to internal american domestic politics. right. and they should take matters into their own has,

which they're not doing as, as you just mentioned. and markers just show. so they're asking for more kind of american and british support to take these, you know, to solve this issue for that. and that's a problem in the long run. and the 2nd less than i think that they're not learning that they should be learning. is that turning states into failed entities has long term consequences. so when, when they were old, these interventions in syria, i've gotten on even iraq. and you know what, what i think is missing in this discussion is how did they end up on the polish bell? the russian border and why would they go there and the 1st place, right? they're not, you're in there. i think there is little discussion on what's going on in the iraqi kurdish then why would people go to, to, to europe now? and that these are a serious questions that i think have not been at rather than rather the europe keep looking for the war to factor in every single challenge that they face. and i don't think it's a long term solution markets with this issue with energy,

their low to, to appreciate energy security, migration, security. but, you know, at the same time they, they have to demonize russia. but maybe the russian in figured out, i mean it's a very, we're trying to buy adult, broached or, and all of the. and if you rightfully pointed out the u. k, that's true. the whole, this all started out because of military decision in the middle east. and now the best solution, this is central. what about just city now? how can we, we can negotiate the welfare of these people and the big around how they got there, why they got their presumably, presumably gentlemen, these quote unquote refugees by rain tickets. so, i mean, these are well off refugee. i mean is there's always, they're always looking for a lame game, but we don't even know who these people are. go ahead and, well, of course, if america,

britain and the european union were to sincerely analyze the reasons for the migration crisis, then it was totally annihilates their reasons for having intervened in both libya and syria. so obviously they are not going to go down that pathway. however, there is a very, very obvious reason play as to why our focus is on russia. it is because the russia of today is not the russia of the 19 ninety's. if flat them, it was a if he was compliant to western wishes to western demands. if he allowed russia to be dependent on the international monetary fund, then you would say a very different approach on the west. but of course, the reality is that under vladimir putin,

not only has russia regained it, independence, which it lost. so a very great extent during the 1990s, because it was on and i, and met life supports machine. not only that, for them, it has returned russia as a great power, and even for he has listened russia as a superpower. and of course, the americans look to russia as the only country which can truly challenge it. hm, it's hedge. and want to go in the well, they do not look at china in the same way because they know that the chinese economy is dependent on the american economy. so china is not able to challenge russia in the same way. and as i said, moments ago, the situation, the whole issue of russian order is not about migrants, per se, is about russia. it is about finding another pretext to,

to ferment further civil unrest by the marcia to demonize president lucas, who in my estimation has done a very good job in keeping bell russia very stable. ready countries since the end of the soviet union and also it provides the west to continue b. philip, it's a military presence in nature and in the black sea region, that is what the, the crux of the matter is concerning. the tension of the polish fellow russian border. it is about nathan increasing its presence along the russian order. i think it was kind of like a logical thing to me. brussels is can't competence. the fact that there was gonna say no, they can say no. and then get away with them here. and because of that, they've taken options off of the table. like i said, there's the air to one option you might or might not find them practice,

but it did resolve europe problem. ok. and, but they're not willing to accord the same kind of policy towards the very reasons that market says explain to us, go ahead, right. i agree, and i will also add to that perhaps that i think kind of a me term challenge here is that, well, the rules may be kind of turn into what d p r k is for china. you know, when you put too much pressure on kim and refusal kind of neat options for the oceans that me play. you have, you know, north korea as a strategic leverage for china against regional rival, but also and beat pain in the neck. which i think if the current policies towards spell the risk continue, then russia would have to support leticia and go on a number of things that may not would be in russia's own interest. but because you

don't really have a better option than you have like it even longer problem on your hands. but also, as i mentioned before, if europeans kind of are playing a trick role here, you know, on the, on the one hand they complain about their security. on the other hand, they refuse to make their own transformation from a payer to a real player. you have to go to a hard about hard break, will continue our discussion on some real. you'd say, ah, ah, there's a patch of water around the try. a seal island in contention between canada and the united states. northern gulf amendment suddenly become optimal for lobster and our populations here exploded one of the most valuable fisheries that ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and tensions or high violence is bound to happen. this is the

last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be cost that would be significant to co countries. quarter disputes don't go away. they discussed some things going to happen. who driven by dreaming shaped control center in in there's things we dare to ask in the

welcome back to cross type where all things are considered on peter la bell. this is the home and just to remind you were discussing some real news news that change gears gentlemen. maxine, let's talk about ukraine and i have this really bad feeling of deja who all over again because we had in the spring tensions we say very provocative rhetoric and even behavior. and then we seem to have a repeat b u. s. administration, the by the ministration really is increased its interest and it's the same time mention within ukraine. here. what is the message they're sending because it's very

confusing, or maybe that's the whole point is to be opec ok to to rate a sense of unease. but of course, that in itself creates more attention, and obviously the russians are watching very carefully about, as i will stress over and over again in this from. this is an intro ukraine problem . definitely trying to pull russia into it, your thoughts, my friend, go ahead. well, i think throughout its history, russia as a continental, our had to focus on 3 major fronts, you know, with the west east on goals. and now perhaps we'll keep an eye on china, but also in the south will the entire central asia, middle east direction. so the idea that i think has been very strong in the west, in the us in particular that rushes and chinese alignment may pose a greater challenge and rushing that act as a force multiplier to try is i think is very strong. so one reason to invoke these

in ukraine cards, so to say, as many policymakers in moscow believe is that, you know, that kind of keeps moscow distracted from the eastern front, with china, from the southern front, with syria and all the middle east policy and keep it very, very busy in the last week with your crate. the 2nd thing i think you mentioned the desert, who i even have with even more dangerous. i mean this is not a board game. we're guy. sure, very, very 14000 people have been killed by the government. and the don, this is not a board game. this is very sorry to interrupt people. it is, it isn't that is serious. and then you mentioned that you talked about, there's a who and i haven't even and other issue with august 2008. and i think that makes me very worried in the wake of the war in georgia. music. right. and then the war in georgia and so in south said, yeah, you know,

a few couple of months before the 5, the war. honda, lisa rice, you know, came to the lisi and, you know, some say in private, she argued in a war instructor, will they get to school who provoked in russia and stuff, but in public then they went and then, you know, provided security guarantees and stuff. so i think, you know, when talk to the american policy managers to visit key f. and then you know, you speak to people say, well, they actually, you know, encourage the landscape to focus on fighting corruption and stuff. but that's not what they say in public though. and they didn't talk about nato guarantees and security reassurance is all they kind of stuff. so that seems a very dangerous message to authorities and then they go and escalate in the use of your brain. so that makes them very worried about prospects for what we may see in this crisis mark is that i'm really glad that mixing brought up for august 2008

because i see the scenario playing out again. you have this very public propaganda barrage, encouraging the ukranian, but there's a person named metro yarborough's who is a known figure even before the my don, the european union, a ultra nationalist, even some people would describe him as a neo nazi he's, he's playing another key role in military thinking in kevin, his only goal is war is what is the goal is conflict. and when you have the secretary events in the united states, you know, going, giving them these out of boys and you know, where we got your back and, you know, in your inter, go to our security. all the other, you know, boiler plate nonsense that nato is putting out on a daily basis. this creates a very, very dangerous situation because obviously it's a wag the dog situation that we could good way out here and there will be real

consequences. go ahead, mark. i have long described ukraine as rushes, soft underbelly, because we've out a way if russia has a ukraine on its border, which is all star and which is in the west of it. then not only is that russia going to be weakened in europe, but it will be weakened in the world as a whole. and even worse than that, russian national security will be in peril. and of course, for nearly 8 years now, ukraine has been in the west all bit politically, economically, militarily. also culturally, the west has integrated ukraine into it or bit. that is not to say, however, that russia doesn't have a leverage in ukraine because it most certainly does. so for example,

millions of ukrainians, not just in the east of ukraine, not just in the south if you drink, but also in the center of ukraine, regard themselves as part of the russian world. none the less ukraine is in the west orbit. and america and britain, which of course, all the heart and soul of nato, are intent on bring in the ukraine into its ranks. because a ukraine in the ranks of nights. so the main that russia is and so on it's western border, it would mean that russian supremacy in the black sea region would be seriously compromised. because even as we talk now, the americans are referred to shit. the at odessa, an article in ukraine to accommodate american and british will shit. so what we see at the moment in the black sea region and in ukraine is

a measure that the americans and the british are going to take. they now have ukraine in their orbits. they are going to do if the thing they possibly can, with the exception of defending ukraine, militarily, they will do everything they can to ensure that ukraine remains in their presence. so one of the options to russia, well gosh, is, does have options in ukraine. and quite frankly, ukraine should never have been allowed to enter the west or beach in the 1st place . the dangers emanates at the end of 2013 in ukraine. and for russia were very obvious, but that is under the bridge, so to speak. the only way that you crane can be saved is for russia taken clinical action. otherwise the day will come when you crane and says

night. so people could people very quickly, people, people could say that ukraine can only join at night. so if the situation in the crime and the dumbass is result of quite frankly here, could agree to reach all in its own way by it. forget about the crime. me, if it gets about the for the blue and on it, which has lost. and then in that scenario, ukraine will be free to join late. so the way it all, by the way, folks, you know, it doesn't sound right when it comes out. that doesn't roll off the b u. k, and the united states are black, the pounds because they're not ordered by the but they're, they're met. same. i mean, the cynic in me tells me, is then kind of echoing, when you said, you mean given. when marcus had to say, but the united states to create a diplomatic crisis for russia over ukraine suits them just fine. ok. i mean,

encourage the government, you have a military assault on what's called the don dance. russia will react, irrespective of the outcome, the usb, that is a victory. russia would be isolated in the west military action because ukraine would not win. i mean, it's a, it's a very cynical game because every bad outcome in washington is perceived is a good outcome. go ahead max. well, i think if i were to look at the situation from, from the western point, it makes sense to when you have to focus on, you know, rivalry with china about russia is, is, is feel a huge issue. you need to build kind of a new containment in a way to contain russia in the black sea. and in the, in the, in this, in its border with ukraine is one option, obviously. and a big one. there is also, i think, an illusion of that you can lee, the court on board controlled escalation game with, with russia, where you supply your brain with certain weapons. and you maintain

a certain degree of, you know, violence and escalation and intensity of the border with russia, and then hope you can still deter moscow against any hardcore option of retaliation . which i think what the united states has now been trying to do by also sending, you know, c, h, e, for birds to moscow. and kind of making all this warning signals against you jack. but i think the red lines on the green have been told and repeated again and again, and we're seeing now that they've been violating. and i think the entire situation is now being clean out again, around setting new rules and setting new stage for you know, the new brain obviously was not happy with the mens got worse. we right is, is the damping here. can see if the russia will buckle it will lay except a strategic peter, and i think all of this would agree that that's not in the car, but then reception then the west has, is that

a certain combination the russians will give up? that's not going to happen and that's why i went on this program because i see this is a collision course. as i said, dasia all over again. i ranked, remind everyone during the spring intentions were very, very, to be are to the point where obviously bought a potential conflict was at hand here, then be the americans and they were going to send in ships into the black sea. then they decided not to and then for some reason the u. k. type will go there. i mean, obviously they didn't work. why did they think it's going to work now? go ahead. well, i hope it's not going to work. the moscow may also kind of get, you know, consider some, some new tactics, perhaps also the ones that may include and use a force to reset the stage and to go earth crane to sign some new terms of agreement. and obviously, i think 6 to renegotiate the main skip course that it believes or not,

and it's in its interest, but i can't agree more with you. it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous trend towards a new collision course. i can finish up whereas marcus. well, of course, the chances in my opinion of a war between russia and america over ukraine or negligible, but the chances of an accidental war, i'm very much alive and well. that's what we worry about here. this miscalculation need play a game of chicken. one side may decide to go through with it, and then when one side decides to go through with you both end up in it. ok, that's what we're hoping to avoid. here. i'll get gentlemen. that's all the time we have. you want to think my guess in moscow when lending them, i think our viewers for watching is here to see you next. i'm remember, ah, ah,

this was a bargain that was may 2025 years ago under clinton. as a matter of fact, they've brought china into the world trade organization, the w t o. this was a quick probe, well that we're going to essentially give america a huge break on flat screen tv. but within 2045 years, we're going to bankrupt the country and that's what's happening now. oh, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation for community. are you going the right way? or are you being led to somewhere? direct? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend

a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. oh my 2 sons, i know my oldest one, he definitely was a bit louder than run this wrap up the blue light to see go to go to take a trade so you can add something to fall back on because of the way this is logan. i just don't know what is going to be different newton down the road. it's getting to the point now where it's becoming way more dangerous because the canadian government will come out here. the administrator will start grabbing, hold the balloons dot yank and on the road. yank and on your stop me i lost hundreds of traps of the.