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means that the, that they have very, very angry and irritated at theme. you know, i would basically have their predicament at the conditions that they have been left in. we could hear all morning chance and you know, people assembling in different groups, assembling in large groups. you can see while there was there, was there a dangerous, dangerous throw over there. so they were assembling in different groups and, you know, there were, they were chanting slogans. now unfortunately, i don't speak english, i don't speak their language is i don't speak arabic, but they sounded very angry and it sounded like almost like battle cries. so this is what they're doing right now. lottie, going on, is it again working away in moscow? i hope you can hear me. okay. i understand you're in a bit of a fluid situation there along the belly, ross polish border. it does seem as you're saying that the tempers are starting to flare among those people who abena amassing their along along the border. i know you've been speaking to them. what have they told you eager to have their had enough? are they ready to perhaps turn around and go back home?
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well some of them already have i'm we need to move. we need to move from the fi here. so are some of some will have already given up like yesterday a group of about 10 people at least they are told to but a russian, the been russian or border god that they want to go home. that they want to our leave and had back to syria and iraq. so i'm and they have been so they have been allowed to the bell. russian border control. they facilitated their return as far as we know, they are well, they got on the plane this night, they got an a plane, they got the tickets and they, they bought and they boarded the plains and they left. but that still thousands of people who are refusing to leave and this looks like there was a magnum opus that as they're trying to breach the fence and into poland. but they all means necessary. so okay, i think the people, i think the most interesting part of the action is right over there. let's had a, had there and take a look because they're the group of military of polish military police who are defender the border. they just moved closer. so it looks like they're maneuvering
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so far again, on your far back yard or i excuse me. i mean i do apologize in front of our view is for the please note will be for, i mean it is, it is a live broadcast. it's a live broadcast, i do apologize for this. no, unfortunately, we can't do anything about it. so yeah, indeed, i mean in a situation like this, when tensions are very high, when it's, when people are emotional and things like that could happen. there's no way. there's no way of preventing it now they have brought a water cannon. i think they put their bring to water. okay, we have to move out. we have to, we have to add back. this looks like the gas, so we need to go back to a little bit when you back up and go back to safety. so we will keep the broadcast . we'll keep showing in. maybe we'll move behind the 1st fence that they have, that they have already dismantled. and you can see people quickly to retreat from
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over there. now this was, this was the tear gas, i mean, so they moved from so they moved from let's back up a little bit and give a bit of a perspective what's going on. so we need to head out because they are going to use, it looks like they're adamant to use water cannon and in a weather like this, this could be very, very serious for the health of anybody who get sprayed. and i do tell you this thing is very powerful. it can easily, very easily reach us right here. so if you can see it, but right now, it is more preoccupied with a group of the most active of the most active migrants. they're using it right now . so far, nodded full, not it is not in full power. so yes, 1st water cannon is, it is the 1st aiden's us seeing the polls using water cannon as also a colored spray. it from the looks of it got very good
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from the looks of it. it looks like pepper spray, and now we are seeing the now we can hear the poles again using loudspeakers loudspeakers to warn that what the migrants and are doing here is very much illegal . so it looks like everybody has, it looks like everybody has retreated. i mean, except for maybe one or 2 people, they have retreated from that, from their, from that area. i mean, i look some children, some children, it looks like they're got pepper sprayed. these are some very distressing and hard breaking pictures. this is absolutely heart wrenching. i mean, i mean this is, this is seriously distressing. i'm sorry guys. again, i have to apologize. i have to apologize in front of all of our viewers who feel distressed by. they said, is it is only natural,
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excuse me. it is only natural. but again, from the looks of it use me for eguard eguard, judging by the railroad. moscow, we can hear me or they'll deploy hello, hear me. okay. i had to argue say they've been using the tag out there. the water cannon has also been deployed. clearly the polish i security authorities. busy there they, they, along the board are they are, they're saying the, and by the way, they're making more of an offensive now to deal with these migrant eager can you, can you just tell me for a 2nd who are these people? where are they from basically the move, the over, the overwhelming majority of this people, they come from the iraqi kurdistan. some of them are very old and are well there are some disabled people here as well. about 90 percent of them come from the rocky curtis done. there are people from syria, from molly, from just in general from north africa, from cameroon. i think. i'm sorry. i mean, they are, they are going, they are going all out with the, with the spraying out badly. this is a machine that's phrased,
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it's phrased tear gas and, and it's not pretty, it's not pretty at all. so far right now it looks like the polls. well, they're doing an amazing job, but well, protecting their borders to the left. you can see the staunchest, the staunchest. well of the migrants who do remain beyond this green fence where we all were just minutes ago. i think i think the polish police have just started throwing rocks back at the migrants as some are attempting. ambitious throws or attempting some ambitious throws from beyond this fence. it looks like at least the 1st onslaught at the polish border. the 1st migrant onslaught is the, is over. i we, there's no way of telling if they're gonna attempt another one. but really it looks like a pretty indiscriminate re, they believe it is, catch. it's catching everybody the spray that we're, we're, we're seeing that yellow spray. they're using and also with a check out is affecting why everybody not as you, but the, the women and children,
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especially it's heartbreaking to say the kids being caught up in the middle of this . so i understand last night eager, there was a phone call between angola merkel, and i look a shanker barbosa. they were trying to find a solution to this crisis. do you, have you heard anything from officials in warsaw? or are they going to let these people through do you thing? well, absolutely not. i mean the answer is very clear. absolutely not. they're not going to let these people in. yesterday i, joseph burrell, met with his counterparts with other european ministers. they from the sound of it late, they painted all of the blame, the pend, all of the blame for this crisis on bella, ross. ah, there have been calls to pin the blame on rush. well acclaimed that russia has vehemently hide m. as for the indiscriminate use of pepper spray, i mean, they are going all out. this is true because right now i can hear you. oh yes, because right now i can up usually we need to move out a bit. yes, i do apologize. it is. it is some, it is nasty,
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so they are using it in discriminant against maybe a handful of people. i can see one, i can see just a couple to the left. let's, let's move, let's move towards the actual little bit because very nobody there is. there's no people but except journalists to the left of me. so i'm going to just move little bit to the right and maybe show you what's going on there. now, excuse me, there's a lot of smoke in the air, but some of that smoke is not from tear gas. it's from mom. it's from the fires because it's been mostly, it's been mostly him. it's, it's been mostly, it's been mostly, well an grass that have be they, they have been trying to burn, trying to keep themselves warm. so all of the action is over there. we're going to move. now again, all these people, they have been so helpful to get there. everybody who we've talked to, they've been saying that they do not want to go to poland, they want to head on to countries like germany or france. some have targeted these countries specifically, others just said we just want to get in the
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e u. so we moved just a little bit closer. just close enough so that we can talk and you know, operate, so that my cameraman can see what he's actually filming. for so and now this was the though, so apparently the front if i may say, so it has stretched far beyond this or well, this section of the fence. apparently some, some migrants have tried to cross into bell rows are a bit further down a bit further down the dirt road down than what we heard there again, there were they were using tear gas not sprayed from the not sprayed from water. canada not sprayed from water cannon, but rather they shot you know, little a little tear gas grenades and this eagerly, we only her. we heard a song or higher crackers or maybe these grenade that he say we're going off early as, as he said, they've got a whole assortment of various crowd control techniques or they can deploy. there you've been speaking to these poor people along along the border that have they
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told you how long they will stay there. well, many, many of us, many of us heard them saying that they will stay as long as they can. but rather they have been saying that they do realize they could, they could not survive indefinitely in the conditions that the conditions that they have been put in that they have found themselves. and it is very cold, like, i mean about a, excuse me, about a half of this migrant camp is basically is located on a patch of concrete and gets very, very cold. now this is the sound and you can see more tear gas, more tear gas canisters being used against the migrants. here again, it is a very common crowd control tactic. a very common crowd control tactic a. we've witnessed it all around the world. i've seen, i've seen, i've seen police using tear gas in france, or seen police is tear gas against protesters in that are in that sanity in re route lebanon. so it is very common. now, what is the, what is interesting here?
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it seemed like the polls they have opted for, well, they were kind of choosing between a bad option and a worse option. i'm talking about water cannon, which are not, well that they haven't been fueled whether they haven't been fueled with water, but rather tear gas. so they figured that it was the bad option as compared to the water. you know, spraying, spraying migrants with with water was the worse option. you know, well it is, it is, well, i mean, and if i play, i play devil's advocate here. this is a more humane. it is a more humane option. i mean, i, i, i never thought i'd say the words that using tear gas is a more humane option. as someone who knows what it is like to, well inhale, just bits of it. but in this situation, i do really believe, believe it is because there's also to, there are so many people here so, so called dropped below 0 celsius here at night. people many people do not have tense ah, of people. some people have only sleeping bags. and some people don't even have
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them. well, as you say, as you say, you go to the, when the weather's been really, really hard for you, letting he and all the migrants down there, as you say, in the, in the overnight, the overnight temperatures, the eager are getting into minus temperatures. it's right now plus one where you are, which means snow could easily be on the horizon. you mentioned the, the crowd control techniques they're using. we can hear some bang going off right now. the tear gas being used, is it having the desired effect that of the tear gas or is it just making these people more angry? ah, it is making them more angry. it is making them more desperate because this is storming. i mean, from all, along from the very get go, we have been saying that they have been telling us rather that they come here in peace, that they count on the polls on europe to, well, what they say do the humane thing. this is what they call a little humane thing and opened the border and let them in. this is what there been a telling us they carry no weapons. i mean, in the past, in the past a couple of days we seen, ah, we seen them, you know, chopping wood like,
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and are we dead speculate were dead, you know, disgusted between ourselves that maybe they will use these, you know, logs and you know, sticks that are very well they're comfortable to handle, you know, against against the police. but we've seen isolated instances of them doing so. but well, um, but it, it, it's not, it's not a practice. so they have been reiterating that they are, they are coming that they come and piece that they are unarmed, that they just want to get in, not even stay in poland, but rather move to germany. and so this thing, this storming, this attempt at, you know, taking the border by force. it is an act of desperation of their behalf because they have been saying, those are one man has been telling us that, like, i think they're ready to die. some of them because they're saying what's the difference either we die here from, you know, just freezing. either we freeze to death or we get shot. so far, fortunately, the police have not resorted the military. police rather have not sorted to that.
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to that, you know, very extreme measure. ah, so hopefully save that way frankly. so what were driving richer, the eager to get to get a live shot to get a live signal with you right now sort of jumping in, but the fact that we get a live signal when many other channels are not able to get a live signal. right? now, so this is basically exclusive coverage, right here on our t with you, eager being down there live on the border there. why don't you ask you, i know you've been speaking with these people who have amassed at the border over the recent days. have you spoken to any of them? whoever said, you know what, this was a bad idea. i've got kids, i've got little children. i need to go back home. if any of them told you this was a bad idea to a mass at the border. well those who did think that was a bad idea. those who did think that was a bad idea. they have already left here so, but that's just a handful of people. this sounds like a war zone here. let me tell you this so many explosions. the storm, any, you know, action going on. it is, it is very,
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it is very well real. it is very real. and perhaps you can hear children more children crying because even those children who did not get tear gassed. they, i mean, it is incredibly scary for them. i think i think no, no, yeah. on a, on a he, i think the microphone is the mike. my microphone is picking up. the cries here in this little camp. yeah. eagle. yeah. we hearing women does love. yeah. children, there are 2 hundreds of children including totals and baby cries. so yeah, they are because children, i mean child, they look around, they don't look like they were tear gassed pilots to let. so show them they're just, they're just here. intense but well they are scared, they are incredibly scared and i can't see, i can't see any other way i can see how they can not be because it sounds like there's more of it, there's more of it. um, but eager is i don't believe that young fire or what is that we're hearing right now. excuse me. i think
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i think i think what we're, what we're hearing right now, it's still tear gas. it's not. gunfire may been, i mean, it is happening a bit to the side so we, so we can, so we can't, we can't really sell. can really see anything. so this women as children let's, let's talk to this man over here. he seems very, very eager. so what you, what you wanna, would you be want to tell us, puddle pies. so what are you doing right now? i see, i say i have go to ruby. but poland, problem problem or, or old, he is all family, all child, all hungry or thirsty. i have to save it. i have a freedom, irv reger. we're all 3 dormer olympian freedom. thank you. so basically, this man is saying he's, she's weird rating. my point that there's a lot of women, there's a lot of children, a lot of families who are suffering here on the border. and well, right now they're suffering more than ever because they've had what could be the
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most difficult night of their lives. just having to brace the cold of this night because they don't get much sleep here, not only because of the cold, but because the polish side is doing everything in its power to well read people to rid people of good sleep. what there do they shine bright, blinding spotlights at the people in the camp at night. they also sometimes are sound the, the police sirens will go wailing with you. well, if you've heard, i mean, all of us have heard police sirens, emergency. there's more. yeah, there's more, there's more here as being used to the a bit there been finger. imagine i could imagine old people who have come all the way to the house here they, they been having what carrying a bag of their basic supplies made to these people even have a another change of clothing. they're getting sprayed with, with, with water and tear gas in potentially freezing temperatures. this is just going to make their life absolutely miserable. and when you show us these pictures, he got of tear gas and people throwing rocks on my position is it,
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these are pictures. i'm accustomed to seeing from the palestinian territories and to see this on european soil is just is just shocking at the moment ego well, it is a good analogy. i mean, i didn't think of it myself, but when you said, well, when you put it like this, indeed it does strike a certain resemblance. others that show or let's pan over there, there's a group, a group of people still throwing rocks at a military police dispatch. and immediately they get sprayed with water canada gets sprayed with tear gas. i mean, it's difficult to breathe where we are here. i have no idea how they still managed to stay there. imagine the imagine the desire, the motivation, these people have to do something to do to do something like that. and even knowing that there's a, there's another fence that there's another fence that they will have to breach and somehow deal with, you know, very well with equipped, fully equipped, military police, you know, regimen military police units. so as for the clothes asked for some spare clothes,
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no armor, i mean, the overwhelming majority don't have anything. i mean, even if they had, they would have, you know, rotated their outfits. so you know, twice, thrice. and you know, god knows how many he got a lot of other she lengthy areas. some people had heard what about the humanitarian efforts? we understand that. over the past number of days, bell, russian authorities have been sending trucks with clothing and food and, and tense to this migrant cam there along the border. now the people have moved away from that area is any other humanitarian aid from the bottom? bella russian side still getting to those people or not act up. 2 well, well in the morning there was a bit of a, there was a bit of a, you know, a delivery here, but not to the, to the camp here, but rather more closer with, rather closer to the campus to the previous side of the camp. i'm but we are not sure that was that was enough. so um, so they were good so they were getting supplies. the were getting diapers for the,
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you know, for the littlest of children here and there, but so far we've, you, you have no idea how many times people came up to me and were asking like, hold for like, do you have any food? do i haven't smokes because smoke cigarettes is a currency here. i mean, a pat goes for as much as a, a 100 euros. so you can imagine you can imagine the how valuable are valuable. those are. so there's the, uh, speaking of a like, for example, over there, you can see you can see a canister. well i kind of so fresh water under people using it right now to wash their faces from the tear gas because it is very problematic. and it's a good thing that you brought up. it's incredibly, it's unspeakably problematic that people do not have spare clothes here on them because tear gas his, his, the thing, here's how it works. basically, it doesn't just leave, it stays on your clothes as residue. so it stays on your hands. so for example,
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if i was to rub my eyes with my hands, if i was, you know, well, careless enough, then i'd get more tear gas from, from the, from my hands into my eyes. and it would send me just to your, well, just and be crying because well, you know, tear gas. so her, but again, her gas is so much more than tears, it just gets into your lungs, your throat burns up. just to give you an idea because some people think that it just makes you cry and makes your eyes itchy. it's so so much worse than that. it gets in your throat in your lungs. you feel it, they absolutely, they're burning up of you inhaled too much. and so basically it's impossible to breathe. it's about that it's impossible to breathe. like, for example, i have seen people not here, but i have seen people at different demonstrations going into a seizure because they had tear gas poisoning. so it is not a safe like it is. i mean it's, it, it is very dangerous. and i mean people can get, can have severe health, you know,
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house complications if they ingest too much so. so it looks like there's a that there they are the odd becky down right here. i wanted like my grants here, the on backing down over there. you can see the poles using more to your gas. now, it has been going on for quite a while. this thing now this, this attempt to breach the board it and, but again, to migrate. why do i have? why do you think, why do you think they are trying to reach that? so i wanted to ask you sort of jumping in again, but obviously when the migrant crisis originally got started back in 2015, 2016. i'm going to merkel that event, chancellor of germany basically welcomed them and said, come on, you're welcome. here we haven't heard that from angle american out of she. she's not exactly the chancellor any more. however, where is the welcoming of european? they talk about freedom and democracy and, and, and we welcome all mixes of all people. where is that? now we've seen, because a lot of these migrants have seen friends and families being welcomed into europe. but this time than not, why is it different this time?
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do you think well this, you know, this is humanity. you say this so welcoming it is nowhere to be found here right now. in fact, the acting chancellor of germany, angel, america, angler, medical, excuse me, under the bell. russian president alexander lucas santo, they talked for about an hour just short of an hour, i believe yesterday evening last evening, but not much came out of it as you can, vivid and very explicitly it see and hear what's going on behind me. so i are so, so they talked for about an hour they, you know, the only thing that came out of it was that they discussed the possibility of bringing more aid to, to the marcia. but well, i, the so far, the only side that has been bringing the only sides that have been bringing aid to the migrants here were well on the bell russian side. and the red cross along with the locals, about a russian about
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a russian side of the ban of russian branch of the red cross. and now we can hear the approach of a military helicopter. it is a polish military helicopter. we know this. we don't have to see it to no one. it's over there. hovering above the hovering above above the trees. ah, very, very, flying, very low. let's panel with an show thee and show the helicopter. because this is what the, this is what they have beam. this is what they have been doing for the past few days. this is, this has been used a as surveillance on behalf of the polish side. so, you know, getting a birds eye view on the, you know, on the location of all the migrants and, you know, pinpointing the most active act is the most active, you know, troops if. 1 i may call them that, and also it yet is used as a scare tactics indeed, because well, imagine all these people, all of a sudden, ah, seeing a military, a serious military helicopter, descending a, descending on to them, and you know, flying so low film. so now they're using it again. there is still spraying the
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people are with tear gas. maybe maybe they're, they're bet. i mean the migrants bet here. they're betting all, not the time when these, when these water cannon run out of tear gas. but i mean, during the night yesterday there was only 2 water cannon stationed at the border crossing here. when we came here this morning, we were to see and to witness 2 more in fact, so they were in total. there were 4 water cannon standing by. and ready to dwelt ready to spray. this is what they're doing right now. we need to move back a little bit. eagle is clearly you've got 40, oddly, actually my hairy are i satisfied with how many people are stuck there on the board away with a shortage of warm clothes, water and food as well? i was, i was reading somewhere yesterday about the idea that when trans transport buses might be taken up to the border to actually move or transport these people in into europe. a clearly that's not happening at the moment. is there a at the various humanitarian groups could get more directly involved to help these
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people do you think? i think they could, i think indeed they could. and frankly, people here have been saying that they have been abandoned on that well that the you and they have, they have been pinning their hopes on the un, you know, helping them out. and they are a bit well not a bit. they are very much disenchanted, i should say, with how with how the un is treating the situation. so it looks like there's a group of people coming back, coming back from, from one of the what, what used to be one of the hot spots over there. and so and so the in the, the are coming back, but there are still people pelting, pelting a polish military police with rocks, but people, they have been counting on the un, on other humanitarian missions to help them out. we are yet to see anything but the bell, russian red cross, as well as the bell russian unions and about a russian government. because it seemed almost,
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it seemed almost like mocking on the polish side, on the polish side because they were bringing a food to themselves to their soldiers and eating it right on the well right beyond . beyond the fan beyond the fence for all of the starving migrants here, see, so to see and won't smell as well. so yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people. well with watery eyes. i mean his, he is another he's another person register. so yeah, you can see there are you there are, there are more children that are there are more children cries. so because it is, it is the tear gas is everywhere. and so yeah, the helicopter, the helicopter is getting closer and closer to our point because this looks like i may be wrong, but so far it looks and sounds like the only remaining hot spots there are still people to the left of me pelting, pelting the military police, with whatever they can, maybe we could move to the side a little bit to give you a bit of a bit of a close up on what's going on, the alex,
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let me just get my cameraman and we try to move very carefully because it isn't easy with older people who have their well belongings there and tense, erected here. so. so yeah, there's more tear gas and they are now firing it closer and closer to where we are right now. so it's not only just not the patch of land between the fences, but rather they are pelting it into, into the, into the migrant camp. so those 2 also, there's a bunch of onlookers, you know, getting, getting a view, getting of you from this little hill, from this little hill as to what's going on there, the bell, russian, or the better people in the military uniform seem to be standing there as well, they aren't intervening whatsoever. the bell russian border guard is the odd, just the onlookers here. they do not intervene. they may be on live for their so they've certainly all hiring off a tear gas in the water cannons as well. and we, we've heard the firecrackers all, i guess as more of these tear gas grenades going off in the background are eager.
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it may mean time in the media in the press, always seeing as a blaine game going on. the some media blames men's. are the other media blaming war saw. who are the migrants blaming at this point? where are they apportioning the blame to? are they more angry with mens or warsaw at this point? i guess they are just angry with the predicament that they find themselves in. and indeed the blay, the media blame game seems to be in full swing. and by the way, it's a privilege to well be part of this, you know, live and exclusive coverage of these historic events. but i, the media outlets, they focus on the blame game, but the migrants they aren't doing. so they aren't going down that road. i'm not saying i'm not saying they, they are happy with where we are with where they are right now. but if anything, they've been blaming the west, they are well, again, i do apologize for the, for the, for the language here, live coverage are so. so they have been that have been saying that the west owes
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them to some of them have been saying that their country iraq, again, i remind you more than 19, maybe 95 percent of the people here are originally from the rocky kurdistan. so they have been saying that well, on the west, the us, poland, nato, because poland is part of nato. poland didn't take part in this u. s. lead intervention in iraq. so they're saying that they destroyed our country, that they're basically our country's a mess because of their actions on our soil. so now you have to accept us on your soil because it is, well, it is, it is a humane and it's a fair thing. as the right thing to do in the bud, well obviously the sentiment is not shared on the other side of the fancy on the other side of the border, but they do not believe that. and they're really some people have, are they have pointed out, are the hypocrisy, are all he and only because, well, talented pause in the u. s. lead intervention in rock. but rather because, well are, whenever migrants were coming in and poor again through.
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