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it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers partner with him. this one comes option or it's not a matter of. if it happens, it's a matter of went with with hello and welcome to cross thought were all things are considered? i peter a little when there are problems like the energy crisis, europe's illegal immigration on poland border or even when the wrong political party or politician wins. there is a culprit, always waiting in the wings, and that's russia. scapegoating,

russia excuse used by failing western leads. i cross sucking perceptions of russia. i'm joined by my guess. debbie roberts in court. he is a meritus professor of history at university college court and a member of the royal irish academy. his latest book is stollins library, a dictator in his books in paris we have a moral. he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis strap full and here in moscow were joined by vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university. right. gentleman cross that rules and effect, that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciated. let me go to jefferson court. rosa phobia is very real. we see it all the time, particularly in and pull in politics and popular culture. if you watch netflix at all, and i have, i have you in ireland to have as of yay, in paris. and we have vladimir moscow, but he is a resident of the united states. so, you know, i'd like a little bit of a how it's expressed where you are. is there

a specific kind of russo phobic expression that you find in ireland? go ahead, jeff. well, i think because sir, no, sir, the roster. so as a some of the country, so for example, you k. okay, so i, i live in on bobs, i follow the british media and sometimes it seems stuck on like being bombarded with kind of an anti russia e images. stereotypes and claims are only just recently. okay. the migration process being blood blank on russia, there was they had money, a major bridge newspaper the other day about the possibility of a roster type on, on the new crime. or the british chief of defense salvage district, just retired. it was talking about the danger ward, russia, and of course, 30 the demonization of uprooting is a con, is a constant in the major in the british, me, british media. but i just want to say something else. yeah. yeah. okay. it, there is a lot ross,

a foger about non brilliant in many other countries as well. but i'm not convinced how important it is. yeah. but with a st. paul, i think it's about this discussion. mclawrence program, i think it's actually a robot, superficial, or phenomenon. thumbs or you, you mentioned in your instruction that now russia is us, is us, is a scapegoat or domestic politics. i think that's, that's very true. but also there's also a genuine cadillac perception on the part, many people in your li, popular and these people are not russell folks. you can set perceptions about, you know, rushing danger russian friends ah, all of that comments. so i think we have to be careful about not overstating imports at a rasa phobia and understating the import, the significance of people's real fast not fit in apprehensions. english to russia . that point is cost is not a lot we could do about rus russell phobia and russell much,

but there is something we can do about people's prejudices. and mr. sections about russia lay in vladimir. if i can turn to you. i mean, i think geoffrey brings up a really good point. i think it is very superficial and away. but at the same time it, it super physiology is the excuse. it does become that excuse if something goes wrong . there's always some a country or a group of people that you can blame where there's actually very little downside when you think about it. okay? i mean, you don't see the american lead scale going again, having the same kind of animals towards china, for example. okay. but they will with russia. what are your thoughts on that? let me go ahead. well, it's always a lazy, but he's teaching kind of, excuse. are they the last excuse, always, calendar always or should be afford via that is, you know, just rather than acknowledging or facing certain issues, both in one's own country and in russia. what, what i find as a professor in a student over russia, he's,

there are some literature or some culture. i find the country endlessly fascinating . you know, every time i come here, i just, my eyes just wide open. what a tremendous changes was gone. he goes through how many things happened in the last 3040 years when you deal with it. unfortunately, it's like i already for a 1000000 narrative. you know, as a crazy good, a g and would you board is everyone would show it to a diffusions, a wonderful, a west and you know, well world machine and this is, you know, it's, it's the 1st of all, it's a, it's a betrayal of truth. second of all is very bad for average people, you know, i agree on some level that may beat aids like skin deep or maybe it's on a superficial. but a lot of people, you know, they rely on the way in use a present and whatever. and rather than go on to russia, rather seen things for themselves rather than mine. and my, you know, learning was starting the country. they just get the same 2 stories. how nasty,

you know, russian police or how and they see sort of in a does everything but, and they, they lose the interest of coming. and i already think they already know everything . and that i find is very, very kind of disturbing and dangerous. and of the, to i want to, we, you know, you have internet where connected the same by where, where pull the pot that's was of, i find this for you to because france and russia traditionally, historically had very strong ties, very strong bonds. and then not always so bad, bad moments. i mean in for some people and we can discuss is we want, you know, some of the origins of currently a modern day was supposed be go back to the crimean war. other say, goes even further back to their pollyanna wars. but i mean, you know, a france and russia have a very long history together. but then we just a couple days ago, ah, vladimir putin was talking with the french president and the french president saying in a we, we guarantee our ukraine security. i mean it, that, that,

that's very dangerous for not only for france, but the are all of europe itself, particularly when the crisis in ukraine is being generated by the west and not by russia. go ahead, la garza in paris, but i think it is the situation in france. it's quite the send admins. i mean that the, the french elite, the governmental elite and the, the french, her menstrual images are, are, are. so phobic, i can tell that her a represent of the french tv channel our on to russian, and maybe 90 percent of the newspaper and magazines are underwritten, but it's concerned elite and concerning the french people. there are quite early, so feel i can say in the uh, for instance sir, sometimes even though retina, which is quite popular because yay, gave the maids that is a strong main. and the, there is a lake of stronger political men in france. so is a, is quite popular and to be honest, french people are on the do interesting in what i've been in ukrainian. and then of

course, there was a, you turn it in 2014 and even in 2012, when the foster alarm came to poorer because his, her is a, is a, is a socialist. n a and the left in france is a very her risk phobic. so at this time we can tell that the governmental elite and the mainstream media's elite are a risk of fabric. but not the people don't care for one of the things that i'm, i'm an american, obviously i'm a long term resident and of rationale of over 20 years. and i've always sounded really quite interesting how the west constructs it's identity. and it's always a very often it's at the juxtaposition of russia. and so when they say russians are aggressive, they're actually trying to divert attention away from their own aggression. ok. and . and when they were a and looking at the quality of life or the level of civilization, you know, you know, the,

it's always projecting all of their negative traits on to someone else and rushes, a very good foil for that. what do you think about that, jeff? go ahead. so just to put the rightful funds, xavier might use the. okay. rus russell. phobia ross and folk is a is it's an owner of the late western baltic. she's not the small popular jennifer, i don't the doctor does any kind of widespread raso phobic as chipmunk no general problem population. so certainly i'm certainly not ethical stats. it's carla. it's we shift. she may appear to be car overpowering. any your face all the time, but it's not, she is the found the foundations of it are actually quite a fragile. so this was a part of trump like on this program. let's not over in tower the russell such as times i try to rush to phobia the porch. russia talk about jeffrey jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. ok, i mean, so,

i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this russia gate nonsense here and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that i find it very, very curious because, you know, it may go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, you ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the society. so as i to live at some point, i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes, i'm rushing to the western politics on that down. there are kind of i dancing until i touched on russia. i stay aggression and themselves on, on the defense. it will close as

a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration across . it's not on the polish better by the rooster a d e a night. so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not rough is problem. i mean why it's not by russian from others from is a pretty c e u. probabilities to probably be use the migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is pointed to russia . well ag, deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with cyber a particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular, maybe what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that there you show that it may be,

it was like right wingers or was capitol of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's, they were always blame. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they laughed has to find their bottle, their identity, and they have fallen old backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a in campaign among democrats, so sort of up seat obscene trump. and the roy would watch the debates of democrats and it was the nicholas people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map despite his big size. and they will well dual booting, these old you quick, i'm glad of me. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. there's a pack of water around the try,

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with welcome back to crop stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter level to remind you, we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah. okay. want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point wait while we're making up before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here that russo phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of vitriol that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or in the british or something like that. it's

not reciprocal. it's very weird phenomena. so vladimir, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement and it gets sent to the population. most people kind of whole arm. they like chikavsky. don't scared skis. great. okay, great. so be it films, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well, why one? the reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were, they are very much americanized. and that's what we're like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda or american power shaped discourse . and i medically, bureau, you know, discourse ease. now this is of shift in the sixty's, as i said, you know, early barrels or other sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center of wall. this were beth, these conservatives this and that. so americans are the dictates a discourse and i think

a lot of french intellectual story leads or whatever they study here. s. and they in a sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeated. but what would i find very disturbing about this? the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running in or like at least media in most of the western counties. there would be, it would be, you know, would we stop right away? blame in any other group because it is right politically, it's not political, correct, but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly because a kind of. 1 a conspiracy theories russians rolton this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western point, he should blame in any other county, you know, from aerobic world, israel, less than that, he would now imagine it pointing the finger that they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people will be viewed as anti semites, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most in the sophisticated,

liberal obedience to blame. russia forgot, knows what and i, i find a disturbing, but basically it's, it's sara, are they care if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it. that means i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad they vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here, but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology to speaker, which i by regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west. and on top of it, russia and russians have the ability to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken as we don't want

any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. the, the west hates rush of about go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i 3, there is a 2 point. the 1st one russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative borrower. whoo, prohibited her to get pride were privy to the wedding. sir. the gay wedding, her and we will, her always support such country like her and gary her and such kind offer of sinks . so our further french elite whizzer mostly lift oriented it easy, that is the arc enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite. when some seeing it went wrong, or we need to find the, or would we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened with the brakes it bracing did at up and because of their opinion. and he's accomplished feder. but because russia organizing refund them to support

dunsen, who, everybody knows that is a very early, a fresher look at what happened during the cookies crises, france is, are one of the country we were, was the worst managed during this crazy. so as a micron. so the macro, no management of the crazies is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it were us in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was always a therapy for the, for the french leftist elite, and it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. and jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach, i couldn't say it better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are putin god trump elected president, r o europe will freeze this winter because a potent well, now it is because of european incompetence. okay, that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world.

just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since russia has all its energy, it must be, it's fun, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork. yeah, yeah. it's a creature. yes. is very, a casual, lazy tommy, go russia. but your politicians don't. i'm not just our council lighting relation to ra russia. jewelry, in my experience, a couple laser relationship to many issues. i'm not sure there are fair fair. i can't be. i agree with the state. my search rushes conservatism and it's resistance and push back against certain forms of western liberalism is, is part of her power. what's going on here in charge of western prejudice, hostility towards russia. but also,

i think this also not fundamental jill political issue here, which is russia's, you know, challenge to, to, to a western domination. well, don't have to rush. so that should take you to the so called western rules rules, rules based older also to note the, the fundamental failure of the west to actually contain and deal with to problem russia in the post cold warriors, the reemergence of russia as a great power. and it says it's assertion of his interests and challenges barris. experience with police novel cost. so, you know, i think it's not just a question of prejudice or laziness on far western politicians from their perspective. russia does present a real problem real chance johnny is a real problem and on another router on route to route. what came it met vladimir?

i mean, how can you talk um, sanely, dispassionately about geo politics? and at the same time, talk about rules base order, which i have no idea what that is about to me, it sounds like our way or the highway. that's what that phrase means to me. i mean is that it's a, it's a mistake. it's a fools, aaron, too bad, say geo politics and then you can kind of ideological preferences. i mean, you have to separate them. but if you put, when you put them together, you end up getting this kind of rules based order. ideology, which means are, are rules and you have to be ordered. okay? you can't do both at the same time, and russia says no to both at the same time. again, that's one of the reasons why these a leads hate russia so much. i agree with jeffrey that is, you know, that it's time to reconsider relationship with russia. but many, many, you know, politicians ill lazy or just, you know, they get used to in it. when you have a 10 year long child, you can say to,

to this boy or girl don't do that and they would listen to when the child is 25. you can do that anymore. a is, requires a different approach. while the western a physicians, they don't want a different approach, you will know it's knocking at the door. garage, is it major energy blair? russia is a major culture. power garage is a major way in terms of a climate. you know, it has a big, a steady story, a walk on this as it should be, the 1st one to be considered it or to, into the game. so it's time to sit down and negotiate. but you know, it's, it's much easier to do with the 10 year old child say the what your dad, he says or else this just shows a failure to prepare. i would also say in terms of media, it's a failure or either to understand or understand anything. you do have to invest your morsel, love an interest in the country, but it's much easier just to go touch the surface water crowds abuse arrest that

normally here would have if i me this story. but that's, that's a totally unfair to any subject. one studies if he has to be approach with love and with deep understanding, where exactly am i? i didn't think we would mention i mr. navarro. he name, but he has it in the val these name has been mentioned here. i suppose that the, the russian foreign ministry of the, the americans want to play that game. then why don't they say, well, we want to know about the human rights condition of 500 plus people that are being kept in prison as a result of the january gen way say hi, and i mean, to can play this game. the russians don't do it, they might start doing it. i don't know. i don't speak with the russian government, but you know, human rights again, this is this one sided and human rights mean one thing. and it means only the that for the because as we say it, it has to be applied to the rest world. but no one can criticize us for human rights. ok. this is the arrogance that really puts off more and more of the world. go ahead exhibit, of course, and snowden is inertia. an assault is in

a united kingdom in jail. so it's difficult of freud's quite complicated for the, for the west to criticize the russia on the human right. if you look at what happened, know with her with a song, but of course, again, it's a, it's a kind of therapy or look at what a burner in friends during her, the yellow jackets ah, 2060 paul luster and i, because of the, of the repression it didn't upon her, of course not in russia, but even not to embarrass nowhere in a, in, in europe. it happens. and so, but anyway, if you look at her or the french room in 3 majors, there will continue to criticize saying that a put in is a dictator and that russia is not a free country. and that the do political or opposition is in jail a. and claiming that are never only represent something strong in the russia, which is completely a fake news because the men know

a position is the communist party. okay, gentlemen, it's a been a fascinating topic i did discuss with you. i think we need to talk more about different elements of here because as we've all agreed, it is very ubiquitous and it at the end of the day it can be very dangerous because it's a nuclear power. okay, i gentlemen, that's all the time we have one of many, thanks them i guess in paris, cork, and in moscow. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here, archy, see you next time and remember crossing ah, we're empowering ourselves to me more efficient, quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off every device b as a potential entry point for security attack. any machine,

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