of course, it's a terrible thing to subject the child to a 1000 mile journey in the hands of criminal cartels. and that's exactly who is bringing these people to the border and helping them across it. and along the way, subject to abuses of which we can only imagine with horror, how many women have been brought across the border that were sexually repeatedly abused and sold into sexual slavery and have disappeared. how many children have been sold into pedophile rings and disappeared? how many children have had the virus? how many adults have the virus? are you testing anyone? all these questions have answers that are numbers, not just the yes or no answers. that tells me they don't keep those statistics because they don't want the public knowing what those numbers are. my opinion that joe biden is not at all worried about what is happening at the border that he is confident in his own mind. that the people who work with them and for him are handling that smartly and with goals in mind,

and they will achieve their goals. and i don't think joe biden thinks much about the border at all. so i seen him across token just a few moments time when nikki iron will take the whole seat here in the studio in 30 minutes to bring you the nightly news headlines. join us again. mm. acknowledges fits perfectly well into the future, but we can't change our way of thinking and a way that we can visualize how we will flint and how we will feel and how our needs will be in 50 years. so our own do our own technological devonne, things always further on than our ability to feed

i i hello and welcome to cross thought were all things are considered. i peter little when there are problems like the energy crisis, europe's illegal immigration on poland border or even when the wrong political party or politician winds. there is a culprit, always waiting in the wings. and that's russia. scapegoating. russia is the excuse used by failing to western leads. i cross sucking perceptions of russia. i'm joined by my guest roberts in court. he is a meritus professor of history at university college court and a member of the royal irish academy. his latest book is stollins library,

a dictator in his books in paris we have a moral, he's the founder of the center, a political strategic analysis strap poll. and here in moscow were joined by vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university. i, gentleman crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciated. i let me go to jeff 1st in court. rosa phobia is very real. we see it all the time, particularly in po and politics and popular culture. if you watch netflix at all, and i have, i have you in ireland have as of yay. in paris, we have vladimir moscow, but he is a resident of the united states. so, you know, i'd like a little bit of a how it's expressed where you are. is there a specific kind of russo phobic expression that you find in ireland? go ahead, jeff. well, i think this, sir, no sir russell as sir some other countries. so for example, you k, okay, so i live in on bobs, i follow the british media and sometimes it seems stuck on like being bombarded

with kind of anti russia, e images. stereotypes and claims are not only just recently. okay. the migration process being blunt blank on russia. there was a had money in a major bridge newspaper the other day about li are the possible as a rosman taken on the new crime. or the british chief, the defense stafford district, just retired. it was talking about the danger ward, russia, and of course, the new demonization of putin is a come, is a constant in the media in the british, me, british media. but i just wanna say something else. yeah. yeah. ok. it, there is a lot ross, a foger about not a brilliant in many other countries as well. but i'm not convinced how important it is. yeah. but with his own port, i think it's ugly by this discussion mclawrence program. i think it's actually a robust, superficial, or phenomenon, thumb showing you,

you mentioned in your instruction that no, russia is, is, is a scapegoat, or you know, the domestic politics. i think that's, that's very true. but also is also a genuine cadillac perception on the part, many people in your lee capielo and these people are not raso folks. you can set perceptions apart, you know, rushing danger to russian friends ah, all of that carnage. so i think we have to be careful about not overstating imports that are rasa phobia and understating, you know, the import, the significance of people's real fast. that isn't apprehensions english to russia . that point is cost is not what we could do about rus russell phobia. and russell, much, but there is something we can do about people's prejudices, criticisms, mr. sections about russia and vladimir, if i can turn to you. i mean, i think geoffrey brings up a really good point. i think it is very superficial and away. but at the same time it,

it's super physiology is the excuse. it does become that excuse if something goes wrong, there's always some a country or a group of people that you can blame where there's actually very little downside when you think about it. okay. i mean, you don't see the american lead scale going again, having the same kind of animals towards china, for example. okay. but they will with russia. what are your thoughts on that vladimir go ahead? well, it's always a lazy, but he's teaching kind of, excuse, they say, the last, excuse always calendar always or should be a forbear. that is, you know, just rather than acknowledging or facing certain issues, both in, in the one's own country in russia. what, what i find as a professor and a student over russia, he's, there are some literature awesome culture. i find the country endlessly fascinating . you know, every time i come here, i just, my eyes just wide open. what a tremendous changes wisconscin goes through. how many things happened in the last

a suit you? 40 years when you deal with it? unfortunately, it's like i'll already for a 1000000 narrative. you know, as a crazy go to g, and would your board is everyone which is going to a diffusions, a wonderful, a west and you know, well world machine and this is, you know, it's, it's the 1st of all, it's a, it's a betrayal of truth. second of all is very bad for average people, you know, i agree on some level that may beats, it's like skin deep or maybe it's on a superficial. but a lot of people, you know, they rely on the way in use a present or whatever. and rather than go on to russia, rather seen things for themselves rather than mine. and my, you know, learning was starting the country. they just get the same 2 stories, how they see, you know, russian police or how and they see sort of in a does everything but, and they, they lose the interests of coming and they already, they think they already know everything. and that i find is very, very kind of disturbing and dangerous. and of that i am and we just have internet.

we're connected the same time. we're, we're pull the pot that's was of, i find this for you to because france and russia traditionally, historically had very strong ties. very strong bonds are not always so bad, bad moments. i mean, in, for some people and we can discuss is we want, you know, some of the origins that currently a modern day was supposed be, go back to the crimean war. other say, goes even further back to their poli, arnik wars. but i mean, you know, a france and russia have a very long history together. but then we just, a couple days ago, ah, vladimir putin was talking with the french president and the french president saying, you know, we, we guarantee our ukraine security. i mean it, that, that, that's very dangerous for not only for france, but the are all of europe itself, particularly when the crisis and ukraine is being generated by the west and not by russia. go ahead, la garza in paris, but i think it is the situation in france. it's gray, the send admins, i mean that the, the french elite, the governmental elite and the, the french,

her menstrual, med yes, aro rissa, phobic. i can tell that her represent of the french tv channel our on to russian, and maybe 90 percent of the newspaper and magazines are underwritten, but it's concerned elite and concerning the french people. there are quite early, so feel i can say in, for instance sir, sometimes even though retina, which is quite popular because yay, gave the maids that is a strong main. and the, there is a lake of stronger political men in france. so is a, is quite popular and to be honest, french people are on the door interesting in what i've been in ukrainian. and then of course, there was a, you turn it in 2014, then even in 2012 when the football on came to poorer. because his, her is a, is a, is a socialist enter. and the left in france is a very her risk phobic. so are at this time we can say that the governmental elite

and the mainstream media's elite are a risk of fabric. but not the people don't care for one of the things i'm, i'm an american, obviously i'm a long term resident in of rationale of over 20 years. and i've always sounded really quite interesting how the west constructs it's identity. and it's always a very often it's at the juxtaposition of russia. and so when they say russians are aggressive, they're actually trying to divert attention away from their own aggression. okay. and, and when they were a and looking at the quality of life or the level of civilization, you know, you know, the, it's always projecting all of their negative traits on to someone else and rushes, a very good foil for that. what do you think about that, jeff? go ahead. so just a great way to put the rightful funds, xavier might use the. okay. rus russell. phobia ross and phobias it is. it's an honor of the late western politics. it's not. it's not popular. jennifer,

i don't the doctor does any kind of widespread raso phobic as chipmunk no general problem population. so certainly i'm certainly not to call stats it's carla. it's weakness. yes. she may appear to be current overpowering. any your face all the time but it's not. she is the found the foundations of it are actually quite a fragile. so this was a part of trump like on the spring, and let's not over in tower the russell such as times i try to rush to phobia the porch, russia target. what like mckesson, but jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the u. s. went through this, russia gate nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that i find it very, very curious because,

you know, any, go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, you ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the societal as i to live in west point. i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes, i'm in rushing to the western politics on that down. there are kind of, i guess it's a, i'm joe. i touched on russia. i stay aggression and themselves on, on the defense. it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration across . it's not on the police search by the rooster. well, you know, the night so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not rough,

his problem is why it's not by russian from others. it's a pretty use probabilities to problem with the use a migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is, is pointed to russia royal ag. deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a very particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular may be what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that, that so there you show that it may be, it was like right wingers or was capitol of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's, they were always blamed. blaming their openings were beam, software communism solved soft on their ads. now somehow they laughed has to fine.

they are bought of their identity and they have fallen old backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats, so sort of upset, upset trump, and the roy would watch the debates of democrats and it was the nicholas people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map, despite his big size and they will well dual booting, these old equip, i'm glad of me. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. ah ah, crisis for gas is gonna be up dramatically by the time the election is because a vine has an adjust the true cause of this calamity and that is the excess of

money printing. and they, they're scheduled now to double the money supply. the am to money supply again. i'll the next 12 months. they doubled it over the previous 12 months. they're going to double in again. so gas is going $89.00 a gal. ah, new york is really what america is about. ah, when our mayor took office, he was elected because of his campaign on our city, being a tale of 2 cities, the haves and i have not. and those who have not are usually the ones who wind up being buried on hard out. the city is always wanted to forget about city is wanted to forget about the people who are buried there. it's wanted to forget about the fact that there is a potters field that there is

a place where difficult stories are hidden. the fact that we're using inmates to maintain this active burial site, where 1000000 souls are buried, where so much of new york city history is buried is documents of the inequality that exist in the city for centuries. ah ah, welcome back across sack. were all things are considered? i'm peter level to remind you, we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah. okay, want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point wait while we're making them before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here. that risk phobia is an elite to issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here? and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of a arbitrary,

all that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or 8 the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's a very weird phenomena. so vladimir, why is it in a lead for now, amazon? because i think we're all in agreement when it gets sent to the population, most people got a whole arm. they like j kosky. don't gap skis. great. okay, great. so be it film. see, no, i mean it's really a mixed bag here. but the, at the very top, it's very different. why go ahead? well, why one reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were very much americanized. and that's where they were like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda, or american power shape discourse and american liberal, a discourse ease. now this is a shift in the sixty's, as i said, you know,

early barrels or, or other sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center of wall this. we're best things conservatives, this and that. so americans sort of dictates a discourse on, i think a lot of french intellectuals or a leads or whatever they study here, s and they, and they sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeated. but what i find very disturbing about this, the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running in all like at least media in most of the western countries. there would either be a, you know, would we stop right away blaming any other group because it is right politically, it's not political, correct. but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with as most ridiculous, a kind of. 1 a conspiracy theories russians rolton this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western politician blame in any other county, you know,

from aerobic wall israel listen that he would now imagine it pointing the finger they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people will be viewed as an anti semite, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most. it leads sophisticated liberal obedience to blame. russia for god knows award and i, i find it disturbing, but basically it's, it's sin are they care if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it. that means i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. yeah. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad that vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here, but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology, the speaker, which i find regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west

has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west. and on top of it, russia and russians have the ability to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken if we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. they the west hate rush for that. go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i 3, there is a 2 bonds of 1st one. russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative power. whoop, pray, bid her to get pride were privy to the wedding, sir. the gay wedding, her and we will always support such country like her and gary her and such kind of sinks. so for the french elite whizzer, mostly lifter oriented it easy, that is her arc enemy. the 2nd point is like, is, are that russia is like

a therapy for o elite? when some seeing it went wrong, or we need to find the, or would we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened was a brakes, it bracing didn't up and because of the opinion and he's a complete fitter. but because risha organizer refer them to support dunsen with everybody in that is a very, a fan of russia. look at what happened during the cookies crises, france is, or one of the country were, was the worst managed during this crazy. so the micron sir, the macro, no management of the crises is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it worse in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so risha was or was it a therapy for the french leftist elite and it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. and jeffrey,

a comfortable and lazy approach, i couldn't say it better. i think it's absolutely true. i mean, dr. r putin god trump elected president, r o you, europe will freeze this winter because a potent well, now it is because of european incompetence. okay. that's why you have an energy prom. there's actually ample energy in the world that just manage very badly. okay . oh and oh, but since which adds all its energy, it must be it's for, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people in this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork. yeah. yeah. agree. yeah, yes, to sorry, a casual, lazy tommy, go. russia. but your politicians don't. i'm not just a counsel likely relation to roy, russia, jewelry, in my experience, a compilation relationship to many issues. i'm not sure her of her pair. i can't be . i agree with my daughter rushes conservatism and it's resistance against

certain forms of western liberalism is, is part of sir, this is paul. what's going on here in terms of burke, western prejudice also that she was russia. but also, i think this also not fundamental jill political issue here, which is no rushes, you know, challenge to, to, to a western dominated world older. the russian books on the 2 a 2 inch to the so called western rose rose rose, placed older, also to note the fundamental failure all the worse to actually contain and do with to problem russia in the post cold warriors, the reemergence of russia. as a great power on it, since it's assertion of its own interests and challenges embarrass, that's v as in the novel cost. so, you know, i think it's not just a question of prejudice. so laziness on for western politicians. from their

perspective, russia does present a real problem real chance johnny is a real problem and on how to render on route to route came and met vladimir. i mean, how can you talk um, sanely, dispassionately about geo politics? and at the same time, talk about rules, base order, which i have no idea what that is about to me, it sounds like our way or the highway. that's what that phrase means to me. i mean it, there's that, it's a, it's a mistake. it's a fools, aaron, too bad, say geo politics and then you can kind of ideological preferences. i mean, you have to separate them. but if you put, when you put them together, you end up getting this kind of rules based order. ideology, which means are, are rules and you have to be ordered. okay? and you can't do both at the same time. and russia says, no to both at the same time. again, that's one of the reasons why these a leads hate russia so much. you know, i agree with jeffrey that is, you know,

that it's time to reconsider relationship with russia. but many, many, you know, politicians ill lazy or just, you know, they get used to it and it, when you have a 10 year old child, you can say to, to this boy or girl don't do that and they would listen to when the child is 25, you can do that anymore. it requires a different approach. while the western a, physicians, they don't want a different approach, you will know it's knocking at the door. garage, is it major? you know, energy blair, russia is a major culture. power garage is a major way in terms of, you know, climate, you know, it has a biggest territory, a walk on this as it should be the 1st one to be considered, you know, or to, into the game. so it's time to sit down and negotiate. but you know, it's, it's much easier to do with the 10 year old child say the what your dad, he says or else it just shows

a failure to prepare. i would also say in terms of media, if it's a failure or either to understand or understand anything, you do have to invest your morsel love an interest in the country, but it's much easier just to go touch the surface water crowds abuse, arrested maralie, here with if i'm you this story, but that's, that's a totally unfair to any subject one studies if he has to be approach with love and with deep understanding. where exactly am i? i didn't think we would mention i mr. navarro. he name, but he has in the val these name has been mentioned here. i suppose that the, the russian foreign ministry of the, the americans want to play that game. then why don't they say, well, we want to know about the human rights condition of 500 plus people that are being kept in prison as a result of the january january say hi, and i mean, to can play this game. the russians don't do it, they might start doing it. i don't know. i don't speak with the russian government, but you know, human rights again, this is this one sided that human rights mean,

one thing. and it means only the that for the, because as we say it, it has to be applied to the restaurant. but no one can criticize us for human rights. ok. this is the arrogance that really puts off more and more of the world. go ahead exhibit, of course, and the snowden is inertia. an assault is in the united kingdom in jail. so it's difficult of freud's quite complicated for the, for the west to criticize the russia on the human right. if you look at what happened, know with her with a song, but of course, again, it's a, it's a kind of therapy or look at what a burner in france during her, the yellow jackets ah, 2060 paul luster and i, because of the, of the repression it didn't upon her, of course not in russia, but even not to embarrass you. no, no, wearing in a, in a, in europe, it happens. and so, but anyway, if you look at her of the french room in 3 majors, there will continue to criticize saying that a put in is

a dictator and that russia is not a free country. and that the do political or opposition is in jail a. and claiming that her never only represent something strong in the russia, which is completely a, a fake news because the men know a position is the company's party. okay, gentlemen, as a man, a fascinating topic i did discuss with you. i think we need to talk more about different elements of here because as we've all agreed, it is very ubiquitous and it, it, at the end of the day it can be very dangerous because it's a nuclear power. okay, i gentlemen, that's all the time we, i'm one of many thanks them i guess in paris, cork and in moscow. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here. archie, see you next time and remember crossing ah, i did

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