as, as far as being similar in our culture and in our government systems, certainly they are much closer than saudi arabia. for instance, the trump supporters in california don't the ones that i knew i don't really congregate and, and you, everybody's on the down low about it. you know, every now and then somebody comes to me secretly quietly and tells me that they don't understand what's going on either. yeah, everything has to be secretive. otherwise you're socially ostracized. some people agree with me, but are quiet because you can't say that in california, but i'm politically incorrect. i don't like political correctness and i'll say loudly and proudly what i believe even if it's outside of the overton window. so.

but, and that generated a lot of hate. i was not invited to dinner parties anymore. well, we're almost any parties. lou. anne rogers driven by drink shaped bankers and those with theirs sinks. we dare to ask

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ah ah. i 1st heard about hard island when i was working on a story about a formerly homeless man. he had lived in the tunnels underneath penn station. i think there was a photographer who photographed his little little house. he had made himself there

. and because of her work, he had been rescued. he'd been given a home and that he'd been found dead in that home. and he was going to go to heart island. and it was, there was such a sadness at the idea that this man who had finally achieved a home of his own was going to be dispossessed. it was going to be one of the multitude in these anonymous graves. mm. mm. i'm a new yorker and i believe that new york is more than you know, the old id of the city on the hill. new york is really what america is about. and

and there is a tragedy inherent in a big metropolis. there are all the stories of the chance has gone by mistakes or the bad childhood, bad choices or just bad luck. and that's something that any great metropolis contents what me. but there's something more here that you could have a loving family, a career money set aside. and you could still end up in a mass grave on an island, off limits to the public buried by inmates paid $0.50 an hour. oh,

i me. ah, when rises in from the sound carrying the clang of the bell bowing nearby, sidney island tolling its fitful warning. ah all around is desolate, sad. no kind hand decorate these graves with proteins of love and remembrance. i

am even a headstone to show, whereas in turn was once a human be oh my baby was already sick, so i already knew that there was a 5050 chance of him living or diane gave birth to him. i didn't have the financial to be able to bury him and stuff. so the hospital gave me a week for me to collect the money. i went to the

welfare day after day, day after day the entire week that i was given. and they said no good. and at that point i didn't know my real mother. i didn't know my real family . so it's like i really didn't have nobody. i was alone out here. living actually literally alone. i can be ungrateful because me living on the public assistance. new york city has been helping my children a lot. but when it comes to my son, they fell to me completely because i put all my trust on them. i put my child's body in their hands to bury him. you know,

is not the way i want it, but i figure at least he's gonna be buried. he'll be a piece. but he's, he was in, [000:00:00;00] ah, one heart island is open, new york is on the cusp of yet another enormous rush of growth. the city's population basically doubled every 20 years. ah, new york city is the commercial capital of america is the centre. which publishing

industry is the center of fashion and of course, next to the glitz next to the glamour. next to the mansions, being built by a t stewart of the vanderbilt's, you have the reality of the 5 points. the slums at the very, very difficult lives lived by most new yorkers. that is to say, working class and poor new york is forced to create a whole series of institutions to deal with the realities of tens of thousands of immigrants coming into the city. continually. there was a sense, i think that these people needed to be separated out that that, that people were not comfortable seeing the insane seeing the pauper, seeing an elderly alcoholics on the streets of new york. and many of these institutions, prisons, lunatic asylums, hospitals, all were erected, created outside manhattan,

on these islands in the east river. there was welfare island. there were the quarantine islands and of course, ellis island. and these were all various processing stations. part island was the terminal island in 1890 s. early 19 hundreds. every spring of the police department would have to fish out scores and scores of bodies that float to the surface of the harbor and the rivers. what do you do with these bodies? mostly. lo, totally anonymous. these folks went to hard island. this is a place that new york has to have up to service the reality of death. mm. i think new yorkers understand that there are always going to be inequality in the city. huge in a qualities and they are very sharp focus,

but in death we're equal. we all die alone in, in today's world you have so many families who are a strange or just lost to each other by distance, by misfortune. ah. and yet to know that someone you once loved or that you hoped loved you is buried in a mass grave on hard island that resonates forever. ah,

we got married in 8982. and i got married at my sister's house cuz i never wanted a big wedding. i'm never the one to be in front of it. you know, where address and have all these people that, you know, sometimes you don't even know half of them. why would you want them? they're joining, but there were a lot of great times with, with bruce in the line. mm hm. when he started spiraling down, that was in 84. we moved right next to bar called late. yes. we used to go to lady else on on friday nights, got a baby sitter for kimberly. and he started hanging out with the lighted different people and started drinking heavily in the bar was right next door, which is not the greatest thing. didn't think that anything of it when we moved to the house, but it happened and i remember back of bottles being under the bad hit in, you know,

so and then they would argue constantly. so i just remember my childhood, not a wonderful. mm. you know, i think that he hurt his back at work and he got addicted to pain medication. and then cocaine than alcohol. and he just spiraled down hell. mm. ah, you would always enter my conscience. i always wonder if he is he okay, what is he doing? is he living on the streets? even when i would go to manhattan when i was younger, i would always wonder if i was him. you know, i'd always wanna give money to those people cuz i felt like that was my dad. like i hoped switch. people don't hope that he was either in the hospital or in jail where i would get that one moment that he was sober. and i never got it. and the fact that he was in

a hospital and nobody contacted any family members and then hit his body for 3 years. is crazy. ah oh, there's a patch of water around the try, a seal island that's in contention between canada and the united states northern gulf and made it suddenly become optimal for lobster. our population here is exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that's ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and attention or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be cost that would be significant to hope countries border

dispute don't go away. they just specify something's going to happen with ah ah ah ah ah. so in the world to day, everyone knows america as the land of freedom and opportunity

because you see me in front of you now. but prior to seeing me here, you didn't know of me except for one day. he is less than a man. he is not america, he is the slave that built america. oh, this is the too soon of every man and woman of color. now we, at the point, when we stumble upon a part of history that do encounter us as a people of color of honor, of respect,

ah ha. and rack. as allan, at the time of 1860 was being conversed, and to champ astor me there was, must, in, over 200000, so that you come in, america was not america at that time it was better see in the south, the new up in the no and what brought us together was the civil war wasn't for these men, we will not be free today. if it wasn't for those united states college troops, we will not be as proud as we are today. mm.

mm. united states college troops. we're definitely going that out. and there still are certain little indications that the us so a few bodies that still remain. mm. and it us knocking at the door who is there to open it? a correctional department. i've never so been familiar needed to have a correction officer direct me in prayer. mm hm. when the various began in 1869, the department of charities and correction was one city agency. and what happened more recently was the department of welfare pulled out of hard

island and left the department of correction in charge of these burials. so it used to be that there was a dead house at the end of 26th street and a dock. and in the dead house, the bodies were, were unclaimed, were put in these boxes and then put on to a boat. there were 2 steam ships. one was called hope. and the other was called fidelity. ah, the boat backs up to the dead house and takes the coffins with their ghastly freight. they are shoved rudely down a slide like the various merchandise. and as they strike the deck, we hear the thud of the body in its rude receptacle. business is good to day. the shower on the stick says as we count the coffins,

heaped up premise curiously. we think so too. we steam away and soon touch it. blackwell's island are the bodies of those who died of smallpox and other contagious diseases are taken on board. charity hospital is also visited and contributes its quota. the coffins are bundled out to men who cart them away into a field, handling them as rudely as baggage masters to trucks at a depot. trenches are about 15 feet deep and 6 feet wide. the coffins are piled up like wood and cords or fuel in a cold pit, 13 d. as soon as the coffin is placed at the bottom of the trench, a barrow, a dirge thrown over it,

and another coffin placed above children's coffins are chucked in at the feet of the others and helped to form a solid mass. the foot of earth is then thrown upon the upper one until the work is completed. thus, all nationalities rest close together. the merge is a close companion of the cease and the suicide is just beneath the pauper. there is no aristocracy. when i 1st heard of hart allentown problem, a physician who was at harlem hospital and she was

talking about infants that were born addicted to crack. and that they were buried in shoe boxes a 1000 at a time on hard island. and at that time, hard island was open to journalists and to academics. and so i decided that i was just going to get there. and it just so happened that that day was the very 1st day that these inmates had ever been on hard island. and these were a young man convicted of misdemeanors like turnstile jumping graffiti. so you know, they're not felons or anything like that. they're young men that couldn't afford a good lawyer or i used to live in in red oak that was one of the bad neighbourhood. but about

a return only brooklyn and our new york city who's crazy in, in 89. it was cracked and stuff like that and we used to, so we'd in in drugs is buffalo done in our one a getting caught with possession and i went up going a rug dissolving for a little bit of time in those days it was, it was a 0, you could get anything, you get a knife or anything. 11 term that guy had a gun in there. it was like like, like gladiator school every day. and so when i got short, short means that you go home, you don't have a lot of time left in your state and they gave me a job in the hodge, ireland. ah, you know they shackles on you did a little boss and didn't take you on the boat. i'm a little kid. could i'm in hand cos. i'm on the boat to get the boat's going to go . don,

i think the worries or whatever and they take you to charlie and i still didn't know the hodge. i was punished for you. i heard a polish julie movies and stuff like that, but i didn't. i didn't even know what, what he meant. and there's only 2 offices, no french, no, not been. and there was just smell. i don't know what the snow was. so the next morning is raining. and they told you we're going to go, we're going to go to work in we will just be home. but it was great, and then they will mass graves, we would in boxes and we're going to move them to put more boxes in there. and the people, though, there are john doors or people that nobody wants to pay for people who get lost in the system. they were like 5 people. it was a big hole, it was corporate in the grave. and then the guys we will talk about them and they,

they would just say crack babies. he even though who knows what they were therefore, but just a mentality dad does what? those were like undesirables or whatever didn't count or whatever i, ah, when our mayor took office, he was elected because of his campaign on our city, being a tale of 2 cities. the house and i have not. and those who have not are usually the ones who wind up being buried on hard out. mm. the difficulty in government, especially when you are at the mayor and you are managing a very large city, the priorities of the public takes shape and become the most important issues you

address and that many people bring hard island to elected officials, attention is out of sight and out of mind to so many new yorkers, people just don't care that much unless they have a personal connection. it shouldn't be so removed from the rest of the city. we should know what happens after people die. we should be able to see ah, that space who the fact that we're using inmates to maintain this active burial site, where 1000000 souls are buried. where so much of new york city history is buried is, is dickensian. and it is

a document of the inequality that has existed in the city for centuries. i don't think the states is unique in this respect. for in this world, are you not powerful? you get forgotten pretty quickly, and an harland is exactly where our society in our country puts the people who are poor and forgotten. ah, and you have, you know, a situation you couldn't make up in which you have the corn, forgotten people who are alive and are in jail, who are burying the poor and forgotten people who are dead for or new york. it's really what america is about ah,

when our mayor took our place, he was elected because of his campaign on our city, being a tale of 2 cities. the house and i have not. and those who have not are usually the ones who weren't being buried on hard i. the city is always wanted to forget about hold island. city is wanted to forget about the people who are buried. there is wanted to forget about the fact that there is a potters field that there is a place where difficult stories are hidden. the fact that we're using inmates to maintain this active burial site, where 1000000 souls are buried, where so much of new york city history is buried, is documents of the inequality that has existed in the city for centuries. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be in arms, race, movies on, often very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see

how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk with ah, please fi warning shots. it cobit protests in the netherlands, which have left at least 7 people injured. meanwhile, austria becomes the 1st european country to make vaccinations mandatory. also this app pal each read how is not guilty in the united states emotional reactions from both sides of the political divide is kyle written has is found not guilty of homicide in the killing of 2 people at