clarity advice up in an interview one, cnn, with korea was paying very clearly listen, what we mean by managing this competition is that the, you know, the status for the possible future. sess, the parameters of its own and its allies interest. we set the parameters and then when exactly they said yeah, but what have you actually agree during this time? what, what, you know, negotiations with china, what come up with us and sullivan said, just very blank. pay him wrong question. don't ask me that question. wrong metric that was, that was the tone of the the, the sullivan interview and fame equally, you know, not only always going to affect the people order for the guy lance,

for the board or the framework for the global order in our interests. but it's also going to support free liberal mark everywhere. in other words, if we're going to be, if you like, if you like it was going to be a criteria or a framework for the lease, the financial leads to continue to invest and to explore capital, where they choose more of the way the china was expected. to, to manage with this except the global order for this coming period, and then to perhaps to be able to cooperate as biting said to them. and as jake sullivan said, it within the framework within this new global order. so our interest then, the areas where we can cooperate and trump put sanctions,

whereas biden is sending warships along with verse johnson's warship that elizabeth the aircraft carrier, plus these sorts of threats and saying, cooperating economically. that's his trick. exactly. i mean, every, every week there is a new move on taiwan, a sort of incremental, you know, chop, chop chop as it moves closer and closer. of course, on the one hand, america says that it still supports the one china policy, and they agree, months subsequently. but every so often there is a new element. the type pay off is a cultural office is going to be designated instead, the taiwan representative office. there are more visits by senior american

officials to taiwan. ships goes through regularly the taiwan straits to sort of to emphasize the freedom of sailing. and people come like the australian prime minister come to taiwan and say, well, of course i can see it would be possible either for australia or, or american not to support our taiwan. should china attack it or invade it? okay. well, zillow synthesis was causing them. the chinese is great anxiety about this simultaneously while that's happening in the south, tennessee, or the indo pacific, as, as we now call into the august veal, her lee and pull out of afghanistan. i mean obviously the we, their easton took his ton, islamic movement has been taken off the u. s. terrorist list and china is putting $2000000.00 of boundary of investment into have get, has done one f. b. i whistle blew. well,

edmond said nature as he is jang is the next taiwan is actually happening simultaneously. is that credible that? i think this is very credible because actually in part of sullivan's talk, he said part of setting the part of setting you global order in the c n. n interview, he said, what he said also that it would be based on enshrining the text of the declaration, the universal declaration of human rights into every international institution, as well as into the order. and i think it's very clear that it was a weapon asian along with climate change as a weapon. i ation of china. and yes, i think that precisely this process, what do i call it? i would call it the cost of isolation all taiwan ukraine. and also

probably province justice, kosovo, was started or was getting full diplomatic support saying we support if you like, kosovo internationally allied. and then it moves to the next stage is of asking that they should be going in every part of the international community. and they can just infuse to stay from what she said. exactly. but he said, there's no reason why one shouldn't be in all those committees and institutions of the united nation. they should be there on the civil aviation, on trade and in every institution. and we support their inclusion in a substantial way in the united nations at every level. of course, he says, you know, they can't be representative of trying, but they must be included in,

or this is the cost of playbook being repeated if you like, for taiwan and ultimately i suspect it hasn't done it yet, but the problem will be, will follow probably from from that so yes, i think that is a correct assessment. i mean, i want to get back actually to that cause surveys ation phrase. you're using the quick side, but if somebody was watching, when you use phrases like weapon is ation of human rights or weaponized ation of what from the city? what, what does the weapon is? ation of human rights mean to those who are watching circle, mainstream media, of course, genocide, engine jang, let alone anywhere in the world where nato opposes. oh, there are. i mean, the, the question of human rights chinese would say very clearly how we manage our human

rights, isn't the amount of for us and how we deal with it. just like every country has its own human rights problems. the west is not immune from having human rights problems . we only have to look back at the things such as rendition that took place in the middle east, where the west would, could not take hosted people and then render them for torture. in foreign prisoners, i think that would be testified as a human rights abuse. so the problem with that is essentially is that, is it being used to sort of talk in a particular country and a particular in a particular way? is it looking for human rights abuse in order then to hold china accountable and then sanctioned? that's the process we're talking about more sanctions being put on china, more isolation on china, trying to push it out to be international order and into isolation. one of the

counter of human rights. and of course, although human rights speculation, i'm sure it's a very fine document. but different countries, different civilizations have different view. china has to prize social cohesion, the community as it is human rights. i mean the rights of communities, the rights of the people as a whole. we in the west enterprise, the individual human rights, individual identity rights, gender rights. well. busy if you, i mean, now we have so many more of these identity issues coming up, all of them can be used to put sanctions or penalize or indeed other forms. so if we write punishment on the state, that's what weapon it's ation of human rights. i mean, i think it's about support all of them,

but i suppose the point is it's in the eye of the beholder and it goes guantanamo is, is open as you grow golf. stop you that more from the former advisors of europe and unions. hi representative. the common forum and security policy. after this break the i saw a message from an unknown account because it had a self re with my passport as a profile page. i saw pictures of my documents. it was they also sent a credit contract. i had just 3 days comply with their demands. if i didn't send money i, they sent out an online hate campaign that i was supposed to be very dangerous man . to join me

every thursday on the alex simon. sure. but i'll be speaking to guess what the world of politics, sport business, i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm. ah ah mm mm. welcome back. i'm still here with former british diplomats allister group. why do you think the biden administration does not understand that if you empower

certain groups that aren't necessarily pro washington's values, it can blow back after all the failures in recent decades. i mean column how's x? she has to have larry wilkerson saying, abuto afghanistan, very aware, the cia was very aware of the week as being able to be used to destabilize beijing, direct me. these guys know the dangers of supporting is the mist extremism. for some notional idea of a geopolitical supremacy. i'm not sure, i mean post for i think they're all pages, very much stuff in ukraine. taiwan and then other places that are all great dangers that this can get out of control. it's very hard to manage. she thinks when they stop, particularly ukraine, because government there is not in control. the administration is not really

who has control over the country. but what i'm really trying to say to you is that i think what we're seeing is an attempt by certainly parts of elements in washington to create the fence that america back, americans on paul. so, and to do that, they want to be quite aggressive and forceful. and so they put to these issues such as ukraine bell arose with russia and they're doing that, the key, russia on the back foot off balance to keep china or balance. but also particularly to try and give the vitamin ministration a success foreign policy. even if for foreign policy success, it's a strategic blow. i mean, you know, losing the war to gain the political advantage to come back and say this was

a great success. and this is really some of what's been happening in a way the night is paid is strategically weaker, but sometimes they can go back domestically and say, well, you know, we really gave the iranians. what for in the last or we ready, did we tell china waco, china, or, or by wow, what's happening and we goes and it's genocide and it's not acceptable. and that's very important in the domestic context of the united states. does it help you doesn't how the united states strict probably the office is actually seen over this period because i'm so the process started during the clinton administration. and actually americans got weak. if you're in spirit has got stronger us. look at the middle east, look at the whole of the coming together. i think it was even 20 years

ago. people warned that the sort of short term success. it's all it would do would be to turn china and russia against the united states and even possibly could have been working together against us. that's what's happened. and when it comes to the conservation that you were mentioning earlier, this time around, obviously, i mean, the china will remember it's embassy being destroyed, as nato broke up. your love you at that time in the ninety's and poochie. and i think roy's remembers that russia should never have abstained on that. you end security council resolution on libya. so it's a bit different this time then majoring in moscow up, up to the tricks that washington might play and root will react differently. i mean, this is what china said to, to, to bring them to, to support sullivan. you know, we're not doing this ala carte foreign policy where you just pick, we don't like to cooperate with this. but on the other issues, it's

a open warfare. we'll just go for you on human rights on trade, on whatever us stealing our secrets, we will, we will pursue it. and they said, sorry, thank you. we don't do that. i don't, we put all the issues and we have a discussion. and we do not accept neither russian, china, except the right of the united states to determine the global or rules based order that the united states does not have the right to determine the rules for a global order is not going to be acceptable to either of those state and they rejected very clearly. this is a big change because they say this very, very, very clearly. when they sent envoys who am i, wendy sherman goes to china with a tour in newland. they say, look, here's our interest. when all prepared to talk to about this, if you want to talk about taiwan,

you want to be talk about these other issues. there are private or internal masses, hong kong in town, or by victoria and be very tough, be begin. look at her a leak phone call about the european union on line. i suppose. i don't know about the refugee crisis there, but i mean, here the english channel enormous numbers of people fleeing. well, from the was started by tony blair and, and george w bush all that time ago. but actually the news here is not mean about the refugees across the english channel. i'll give you far more coming for france. it's about, of course, as you mentioned earlier, the better route poland border is putin responsible for hybrid warfare, as we're being told every day. here is a vanguard of this kind of opposition to washington's research and imperial policies. i mean, there's obviously dissolving something of a standalone diplomatic stand or taking place between bella ruth and the european

union. but when it started all we were told i have 4000 refugees on the other side of the fence to poland. now it turns out that there are only 2 has that, let's put this into context is just going to be this hybrid wall that's going to bring down the can union. you would know better than me, but as a pain, experiencing one refugees arriving in a day. not over this period. i think the rhetoric you think is funny, being deescalate, you know, wiley refugees going, that is not someone is recruiters of the refugees having them i, there are certain countries set up, you know, you get to open germany. obviously what britain united states from the thought. so iraqi try and try and whatever was make and get and they will start off

the refugee today on the roof side of the border made a very clear that destination is not. poland is the last fear that estimation is made quite curious. german and maybe pull him in the way we get the i guess we got the idea on our tv screen. this is putins monster plan. it's not, it's not, i mean, you know, to have some retro, jeez, i mean, germany's let in a 1000000. i mean, it's not, and anyway, it won't happen because they're slowly repaired, creating them put in shanker to the high representative of your sources are less manager. we need some help and we'll do it and we'll, we'll manage this, i think actually trying to sanction the airlines is actually going to europe shooting itself in the foot. because if they do that,

then not only belarus but russia will probably cut off the space to european airlines. if that is what is done to them. and then are, all those british airlines trying to fly to asia will have 5 hours extra flying time. whereas emirates and the other asian airlines will be flying direct, the europeans will have a big loss on tourism and on passengers flying to asia. i mean, i know i mentioned my 6 earlier. i know you got to talk with my 6, but do you think the fact that journalists report about all these things about beijing, about moscow in these ways are because they are influenced by hollywood ideas of james bond? is it this idea of the evil bond villain that goes through journalist heads. it is, let alone politicians ads. it is a problem. i do think there's an extraordinary sense where you have been sort of me such taken up these narrative and they go even when there's no real basis of it.

we've just seen one just now. for example, you've all seen russian troops on ukraine, border masses of troops on the border. i mean, the reality is the troops that there are 200 kilometers away from the board. no, putin is not intending to take over the ukraine. what he's wired applied, and what he's concerned about is whether in a desperate attempt to get nato and european support from imploding authority and is going to try and use the storm bus as the tool in which to extract further support. nate has already said it also remember the defense defense preset that to about 3 weeks ago in europe has been selling them or weapons merican for promising them or weapons to try and reunite to

reintegrate dumbass you crave. i'm putin has no desire to go and take on, you know, the mess you crave, unless there was a real fear that forces back by the west, we're going to overrun the dumbass. and then it's, you know, it's the old story that you saw or in britain with a falkland islands. it's about kim kane k. most of these people, many, if you go to moscow, most russians have got a cousin or relative that listen, don't us. i mean, it's a russian speaking area totally, russian speaking, these russian currency and they're all closely related. so it's very difficult for, for put in would be to ignore kids on the invasion of the don bus very difficult. and that, and that low intensity that battling is continued out for years of his in britain

arming ukraine. in some optimism, perhaps here the world is finance is on just from the military. industrial complex obviously, could change come from multinational corporations lobbying nato governments, one k street in washington over here in london saying look, we're starting to lose money on the considerations of ever more sanctions against aging. and moscow and iran even could it be multi nationals rather than it seems, democratic populations, pressuring politicians into some kind of de toned. i think the most important thing actually happened in the, in the outcome of the american departure they bought council. because what we saw enough to work with something quite striking, the shanghai cooperation organized, they merged with the east asian european economic community which merge with the

see here. so that is a security organization comprises much of what was eastern southern south haitian, a soviet union into a single unit that embraces something like 53 percent of the global population and 25 more percent g d p, a fast growing area iran has, but i believe it into pakistan is a member of it. and then saudi arabia has to be a dialogue part egypt to us to be a dial up. i think what we're seeing is a potential potential perhaps for new security architecture to emerge embracing pods, perhaps at the middle east too. and that's quite striking that that could be like the mechanism that could reduce some of the tensions to be used in this way. and it

is clearly going to change the prospect for a country like iraq. they'll be a pipeline, i'm sure going across from iran through afghanistan, long border kind of stuff in china, nor tough. i klein or east west corridor. all of these things are ongoing. i mean, that is an area where, you know, development is, is going to move very, very rapidly. rusher is just degree to invest hugely in the can be all fine in the renew factor of the caspian sea. huge amount money. so i think we're gonna see a big change from this discovery. is it going to be, i think this is why it and so much more confidence in russia and china just say to america, know, and united states increasingly a just doing that a saying,

i'm sorry, but we don't accept that you set the the roadmap. you are setting the global rules for, for, for the world, because there are other states who equally powerful and also because the strategic balance power has shifted. america has a few right, is behind in the military sense, as well as in the technology. and in the assay, correct. thank you. thank you very much. indeed. hiring me that's over the show will be back on monday. 58 years to the day when cold war president john f. kennedy was assassinated in mysterious circumstances in dallas, texas, until then he would talk to y social media. and that is what you think the country you live in should be able to be jing or washington? no, neither ah

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