america who goes on supporting secessionist in taiwan if it goes on encouraging this attitude and then we have long prepared for war. and i do, we don't know how to get through to the while for his in taipei, this is very serious, very serious indeed. so i think we're still down and was it a climb down immediately afterwards? then because the bind was report to the saying, look, there's no way that the u. s. a. is imminently about to recognize a taiwan like 50 another, arguable us proxy nation is do well that's, i mean, you know, they actually have been speaking with 2 phases on this. the president keeps saying, of course, one china policy. we're not changing the one china policy, but then again, you have jake sullivan, the us security advisor in an interview on cnn. with

that, korea was saying very clearly listen, what we mean by managing this competition is if you, night states for the for the future. sess the parameters in its own and its allies interest. we set the parameters and then when exactly, he said yeah, but what have you achieve green during this time? what? what did you negotiations with china? what come up with us and sullivan said just carried blank pay him wrong question. don't ask me that question. wrong metric that was the tone of the the, the sullivan interview and fame equally, you know, not only always going to affect the people order, says the guy for the board of the framework for the global order in our

interests. but it's also going to support free liberal mark could everywhere. in other words, if we're going to be, if you like, if you like it was going to be a criteria or a framework for the lease or financial leads to continue to invest and explore capital. where they choose more of the way to china was expected to, to manage with this except the global order for this coming period. and then to perhaps to be a, to cooperate as bite and said to them. and as jake sullivan said, it within the framework within this new global order. so our interest, then there may be areas where we can cooperate. trump put sanctions,

whereas biden is sending war ships along with verse johnson worship, elizabeth grove, carrie plus these sorts of threats and saying, cooperating economically. that's exactly. i mean, every, every week there is a new move on taiwan, a sort of incremental chop chop chop. if it moves closer and closer, of course, on the one hand, america says that it still supports the one china policy and they agree mm month subsequently. but every so often there is a new element. the type pay off is a cultural office is going to be designated instead of taiwan represented. this, there are more visits by the merrick and the phishers to taiwan ships go through regularly, the taiwan straits,

to sort of to emphasize the freedom of fading. and people come like the australian prime minister come to taiwan and say, well, of course i can see it would be possible either for australia or america, not just for taiwan. should china attack it or invaded? okay, well, so since it's what's causing them, the chinese is great anxiety about similar tenuously while that's happening in the south china sea or the indo pacific as, as we now call it the all because deal the pull out of get this done. i mean, the, obviously, the wieder eastern turkey is done is that make movement has been taken off the u. s . terrorist list. and china is putting $2000000000.00 of investment. need to have it done one f, b i, whistleblower sybil. edmund sydney to seize. jang is the next taiwan is actually

happening simultaneously. is that credible that? i think this is very credible because actually in part of sullivan is told, he said part of setting the part of setting the skew global order. in the interview. he said, he said also that it would be based on enshrining the text of the declaration, the universal declaration of human rights into every international institution, as well as into the order. i think it's very clear that it was a weapon along with climate change is a weaponized ation of china. and yes, i think that precisely this process, what do i call it? i would call it the cost revise ation of taiwan ukraine and also

probably the province justice, coastal was started or was getting full diplomatic support saying we support if you're right, cost of war and nationally allied and then it moved to the next stages of asking that they should be going in every part of the international community. i don't think it's just infused to stay from what she said. exactly, but he said there's no reason why taiwan shouldn't be in all those committees and institutions of the united nation. they should be there on the civil, a trade in every institution. and we support their inclusion in a substantial way in the united nations at every level. of course, he says, you know, they can't be representative of china, but they must be included in, or this is the cost of or playbook being repeated if like for taiwan

and ultimately i suspect it hasn't done it yet, but changing problems will be, will follow probably from from bad. so yes, i think that is a correct assessment. i mean, i want to get back actually to that causation. that phrase, you're using the quick sidebar for some of you is watching. when you use phrases like weapon, zation of human rights or weapon zation of or what if the city, what, what does the weapon is? ation of human rights mean to those who are watching so called mainstream media, of course genocide, engine jang, let alone anywhere in the world where nato opposes. oh, there are. i mean, a question of human rights. chinese would say very clearly how we manage our human rights, isn't the amount of for us and how we deal with it. just like every country has its

own human rights problems. the west is not immune from having human rights problems . we only have to look back at the things such as rendition that took place in the middle east, where the west would kidnap take hosted people and then render them for torture in foreign presents. i think that would be testified as a human rights abuse. so the problem with that is essentially, is that, is it being used to sort of target a particular country and a particular in a particular way? is it looking for human rights abuse in order then to hold china accountable and then put sanctions? that's the process we're talking about. more sanctions being put on china, more isolation on china, trying to push it out to be international order and in twice elation of human rights. and of course, you know, although human rights federation,

i'm sure it's a very fine document. but different countries, different civilizations have different view. china has to par, i, social cohesion, the community as it's human rights. i mean the rights of community, the rights of the people as a whole. we in the west, tenants reprice the individual human rights, individual identity rights, gender, right? well, if you, i mean, now we have so many more of these identity issues coming up. all of them can be used to put sanctions or penalize or indeed other forms of the right punishment from a state. that's what weapon i say sion of human rights, which, i mean, i think i support support all of them. but i suppose the point is it's in the end of the beholder and it goes guantanamo is, is open as

a group. i'll stop you there more from the former advisor to the european union. hi representative. the common forum and security policy after this break. ah oh, there's a patch of water around the try, a seal island in contention between canada and the united states, where their government may suddenly become optimal for lobster. our populations here is exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that's ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and attention or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be costs that would be significant to quote countries.

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about the fact that there is a potter's field that there was a place where difficult stories are hidden. the fact that we're using inmates to maintain this active burial site, where 1000000 souls are buried, where so much of new york city history is buried, is documents of the inequality that has existed in the city for centuries. ah it's no thing they cost right on police report. it's an all cash in december 2020, a group of anti fascist. fill out a film crew access for 3 months. so if people are organization, if an idea that is a must be a ppo, is that you can't allow the gate while they may kill their faces, but they can say what they believe in. we believe in helping our community. we believe that back to them is one of the major threats to the united states has

gotten reuben, this is a chance to see who on t for really are in order for me to extract my 1st amendment right and say that my life matters have to be on to the t for the all american rejects for the police. we can't trust the government. we can't trust anyone except ourselves to protect ourselves in. ah, welcome back. i'm still here with former british diplomat allister cred. why do you think the biden, the ministration does not understand that if you are empower certain groups that aren't necessarily pro washington's values, it can blow back after all the failures in recent decades. i mean column pals ex, steve has to have larry wilkerson saying beat of canister and very aware the see i was very aware of the week as being able to be used to destabilize beijing directly . these guys know the dangers of supporting is the mist extremism.

for some notional idea of a geopolitical supremacy. i'm not sure, i mean post for i think they're all great, dangerous, very much stuff in your christ, taiwan. and then other places that are all great danger to that this can get out of control. it's very hard to manage the things when they stop, particularly ukraine, because the government there is not in control. the administration is not really who has control of the country. but what i'm really trying to say to you is that i think what we're seeing is mckennan by certainly parts of elements in washington to create the fence that america back, americans on paul. so, and to do that, they want to be quite aggressive and forceful. and so they,

to these issues such as ukraine bell arose with russia and they're doing that, the key, russia on the back foot off balance to keep china off balance. but also particularly to try and give the vitamin ministration a success foreign policy. even if the foreign policy success, it's a strategic blog. i mean, you know, it's offensive losing the war to gain the political advantage to come back and say this was a great success. and this is really some of what's been happening in a way the night estate is strategically weaker, but sometimes they can go back domestically and say, well, you know, we really gave the iranians. what for in the last talk we ready? did we tell china we coach or by one attack me and we goes and it's genocide and it's not acceptable. and that's very important in the domestic context of the

united states. does it help you? does it how the united states strict probably the office is actually seen over this period because and so the process started during the clinton administration. and actually america has got weak. if you're in spirit asking, got stronger. look at the middle east, look at the, the, the, the coming together. i think it was even 20 years ago. people warned that the sort of short term success. it's all it would do would be to turn china and russia against the united states and even possibly could have been working together against us. that's what's happened. and when it comes to the conservation that you were mentioning earlier, this time around, obviously, i mean, china will remember, it's embassy being destroyed, as nato broke up. your love, you ever had that time in, in the ninety's and put in. i think roy's remembers that russia should never have

abstained on that. un security council resolution on libya. so it's a bit different this time then majoring in moscow up, up to the tricks that washington my play and room will react differently there. and i mean, this is what china said to, to, to bring them to, to support sullivan. you know, we're not doing this ala carte foreign policy where you just pick, we don't like to cooperate with us. but on the other issues, it's a open warfare. we'll just go for you on human rights on trade, on whatever us stealing our secrets, we will, we will proceed. and they said, sorry, thank you. we don't do that. i don't, we put all the issues and we have a discussion. and we do not accept neither russian, china, except the right of the united states to determine the global or rules based

order that the united states does not have the right to determine the rules for a global order is not going to be acceptable to either of those state and they rejected very clearly. this is a big change because they say this very, very, very clearly when they send invoice, when, when the sharon goes to china or victoria newland, they say look, here's our interest. when are prepared to, to talk to about this, if you want to talk about taiwan, you want to be talk about these other issues. there are private or internal masses, hong kong, in turn, by, by victoria and be very tough. people can look at her a leak phone call about the european union on line. i suppose, i don't know about the refugee crisis there, but i mean, here the english channel enormous numbers of people fleeing. well, from the was started by tony blair and, and george w bush all that time ago. but actually the news here is not mean about the refugees

across the english channel. i'll give you far more coming for france. it's about, of course, as you mentioned earlier, the better roost. poland border is putin responsible for hybrid warfare, as we're being told every day. here is a vanguard of this kind of opposition to washington's research and imperial policies. no, i mean, there's obviously dissolved something of a standalone diplomatic stand or taking place between feller roost and the european union. but when it started all pewter, we were told to have 4000 refugees on the other side of the fence to poland. now it turns out that there are only 2 has that, let's put this into context is just going to be this hybrid was going to bring down the can union. you would know better than me, but i have been experiencing one of the refugees arriving in

a day not over this period. i think the rhetoric you think is funny being deescalate, you know, wiley. busy refugees going, that is not someone is recruiters of the refugees have in mind. there are certain countries that up, you know, you get to open germany. obviously what britain united states from the sun. so russia can you try and find whatever route make and get. and they will start off the refugee sitting on the roof side of the border made a very clear that destination is not. poland is small. the latter, there destination is made quite german and maybe poland in the way we get the we got the idea on our tv screen. this is putins monster plan. it's not a, it's not, i mean, you know, to have some refugees. i mean, germany's let in

a 1000000. i mean, it's not. and anyway, it won't happen because they're slowly re penetrating them and put in chicago to the high representative of your sources are less manager. we need some help and we'll do it. and we'll, we'll manage this, i think actually trying to sanction the airlines is actually going to the europe shooting itself in the foot. because if they do that, then not only belarus but russia will probably, um, cut off the space to your piano mines. if that is what is done to them, and then are, all those british airlines trying to fly to asia will have 5 hours extra flying time. whereas emirates and the other asian airlines will be flying direct, the europeans will have a big loss on tourism. and on passengers flying to asia. i mean,

i know i mentioned my 6 earlier, i know you got to talk with my 6, but do you think the fact that journalists report about all these things about may jing about moscow in these ways are because they are influenced by hollywood ideas of james bond, is it this idea of the evil bond villain that goes through journalists heads, it is, let alone politicians ads. it is a problem. i do think there's an extraordinary sense where you have been sort of me taken up these narrative and they go, or even when there's no real basis of it, we've just seen one just now. for example, you've all seen, you know, russian troops on ukraine, border masses of troops on the border. i mean, the reality is the truth that there are 200 kilometers away from the board. no, putin is not intending to take over the ukraine. what he's wired to fight and what he's concerned about is whether in

a desperate attempt to get nato and european support for an imploding authority in kiev is going to try and use the stone. but as the tool in which to extract further support, nathan is already headed towards hope. remember that defensive to present that to about 3 weeks ago in europe has been selling them or women's merican for promising them or weapons to try and reunite reintegrate dumbass you crave. and putin has no desire to go and take on, you know, the mess ukraine, unless there was a real fear that forces back by the west, we're going to overrun the dom bus. and then it's, you know, it's the old story that use or in britain with the falkland islands. it's about kits and k, k. most of these people. many, if you go to moscow,

most russians have got a cousin or relative that listen don't boss. i mean, it's a russian speaking area totally, russian speaking, they use russia currency and they're all closely related. so it's very difficult for, for putting what between nor carry on the invasion of the don't boss very difficult. and that and that low intensity now battling is continued out for years. obviously, britain arming ukraine. optimism perhaps here the world is finance is on just from the military. industrial complex obviously, could change come from multinational corporations lobbying nato governments, one k street in washington over here in london saying look good, we're starting to lose money on the considerations of ever more sanctions against

aging. and moscow and iran even could it be multi nationals rather than it seems, democratic populations, pressuring politicians into some kind of detente. i think the most important thing actually happened in the, in the outcome of the american departure a couple. because what we saw in that afterwards was something quite striking. the shanghai cooperation organized, they merged with the east asian european economic community, which merge with here. so that is the security organization comprises much of what was he stood southern south asian, a soviet union into a single unit that embraces something like 53 percent of the global population. and 25 more. the center g, d p, a fast growing area. iran has,

but i believe it pakistan is a member of it. and then saudi arabia has to be a dialogue, egypt to us to be a dial up. i think what we're seeing is the potential potential, perhaps for new security architecture to emerge embracing parts perhaps of the middle east too. and that's quite striking that that could be like the mechanism that could reduce some of the tensions to be used in this way. and it's clearly going to change the prospect for a country like iraq. they'll be a pipeline, i'm sure going across from iran through afghanistan, long border kennestone and china, nor tough line hurdle, east west corridor. all of these things are ongoing. i mean, that is an area where, you know, development is, is going to move very, very rapidly. rusher is just degree to invest hugely in

a cut. the can be all fine in the rain. in fact, the caspian sea huge amounts money. so i think we're going to see a big change from this this catherine, is it going to be, i think this is why it is so much more confidence in russia and china. just say to america, know, and united states increasingly are just doing the same. i'm sorry, but we don't accept that you set the the roadmap, you on setting the global rules for, for, for the world. because there are other states who equally powerful and also because the strategic balance as shifted. america has a few right, is behind in the military sense, as well as in the technology and in the assay. correct. thank you.

thank you very much. indeed. i mean, that's over the show will be back on monday, 58 years to the day when cold war president john f. kennedy was assassinated in mysterious circumstances in dallas, texas, until then he would talk to my social media and let us know if you think the country you live in should give it to beijing or washington. oh neither ah, i saw a message from an unknown account because it had a self re with my passport as its profile picture. i saw pictures of my documents. it was they also sent a credit contract. or if i had just 3 days comply with their demands to see if i didn't send money and they sent up an online hate campaign that i was supposed to be very dangerous man. with

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