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are headlines at this hour in just an under an hour from now. my colleague andrew farmer will be here with a full and fresh look at your news, but stay with us. with i'm absent and senior watching, going underground this week. so a meeting that could have designed the future of our species on planet earth. the virtual meeting between economic superpowers of the 20th and 21st century, the u. s. and china, as the contours of this century become clear between shanghai cooperation, organization, nations, and nato. join now from rome by the former adviser to the european union's i

representative, a common foreign and security policy. and except my 6 official dallas to croak gals to thanks so much for coming back on, you know, biden's, the national security adviser said america is not seeking to contain china. it's not a new cold war. simultaneously briefings to journalists for me, anonymous senior us official said the aim of the virtual meeting was not to ease tensions a school. but what that means, what's your date on the virtual meeting between ccg and ping and job? and i don't think it went well and i don't think very much was agree pena thing on the meeting and had followed a very ted, she telephone call between brings and the chinese foreign minister on the 13th a few days for to prepare for prepare for the meeting, and then there's been some fairly harsh words coming out of china in the way of the

meeting. are essentially the, the, the chinese certainly the foreign minister was saying very clearly to bring her listen, you're not going to have a good relationship with us. you're not going to have the sort of relationship competition if you like. well, no competition. while the explosive issue of taiwan continues and in the subsequent pastor, they made it very clear that what they felt was in an editorial in the global times . they describe as this was hypocritical, what he said was nonsense underlined. the fact that this is a very serious issue, that the confrontation could come with the united states over the straits of taiwan. but if america, who goes on supporting secession isn't in taiwan,

if it goes on encouraging attitude, then we have long prepared for wall. and i do, we don't know how to get through to the well, or it isn't tie paid. but this is very fair. it's very harris indeed. so i think that was it a climb down immediately afterwards, then because the bite was report to the saying, look, there's no way that the u. s. a. is imminently about to recognize a taiwan like 15 other arguable us broccoli nations do? well that's, i mean, you know, they actually have been speaking with 2 phases on this. the president keep saying, of course one china policy exist. we're not changing the one china policy. but then again, you have jake sullivan, the us security advisor in an interview on cnn. with

that, korea was saying very clearly, listen, what we mean by managing this competition is that the you knighted states for the foreseeable future fess the parameters in its own and its allies interest. we set the parameters and then when exactly they said yeah, but what have you actually greed during this time? what? what did you negotiations with china? what come up with us and sullivan said, just very blank. pay him wrong question. don't ask me that question. wrong metric that was, that was the tone of the the, the sullivan interview and fame equally, you know, not only always going to the people order for the guy lun for the board of the framework for the global order in our

interests. but it's also going to support free liberal mark could everywhere. in other words, if we're going to be, if you like, if you like it was going to be a criteria or a framework for the lease or financial leads to continue to invest and to explore capital, where they choose more of the way the china was expected. to, to manage with this except the global order for this coming period, and then to perhaps to be able to cooperate as biting fed to them. and as jake feller than the fed and within the framework within this new global, no doubt. so our interest then there may be areas where we can cooperate, trump put sanctions,

whereas biden is sending war ships along with verse johnson's warship, elizabeth grove, carrie plus these sorts of threats and saying, cooperating economically. that's it. exactly. i mean, every, every week there is a new move on taiwan, a sort of incremental, you know, chop, chop chop as it moves closer and closer. of course, on the one hand, america says that it still supports the one china policy, and they agree, months subsequently. but every so often there is a new element. the tide pay off is a cultural office is going to be designated instead, the taiwan representative office. there are more visits by senior american officials to taiwan ships go through regularly leave the taiwan straits to sort of

to emphasize the freedom of sailing. and people come like the australian prime minister come to taiwan and say, well, of course i can see it would be possible either for australia or, or american not to support how taiwan should have china. attack it or invade it. okay, well, so synthesis was causing them. the chinese have great anxiety about this simultaneously while that's happening in the south, tennessee or the indo pacific as, as we now call it of the august deal. let me pull out of afghanistan. i mean obviously the we, their easton took his time is nomic, the movement has been taken off the u. s. terrorist list and you, china is putting $2000000.00 of bernoulli of investment to have cat has done one f, b i whistleblower sybil. edmund said, need to see is jim jang is the next tie. one is actually it happening

simultaneously. is that credible that nato isn't look ahead? i think this is very credible because i asked me and part of sullivan's talk. he said, part of setting the part of said in the new global order in the c n n interview. he said, he said also that it would be based on enshrining the text of the declaration, the universal declaration of human rights into every international institution as well. as into the order, and i think it's very clear that it was what an asian along with climate change is a weaponized ation of china. and yes, i think that precisely this process, what do i call it? i would call it the cost of i is ation of taiwan ukraine and also

probably province justice, kosovo, was started or was getting full diplomatic support saying we support if you write kosovo internationally allied. and then it moved to the next stage of asking that they should be going in every part of the international community. and they can just infuse to state them, which he said exactly. but he said there's no reason why taiwan shouldn't be in all those committees. and institutions of the united nations, they should be there on the civil aviation, on trade and in every institution. and we support their inclusion in a substantial way in the united nations at every level. of course he says, you know, they can't be representative of china. but they must be included in or this is the cost of all. busy playbook being repeated, if you like,

for taiwan and ultimately i suspect it hasn't done it yet, but it changes the problem will be, will follow probably from, from best. so yes, i think that is a correct assessment. i mean, i want to get back actually to that conservation that phrase you're using the quick sidebar for some of you is watching. when you use phrases like webinar, zation of human rights or weapon zation of what is the city? what, what does the weapon zation of human rights mean to those who are watching so called mainstream media, of course genocide, engine j, let alone anywhere in the world where nato opposes. oh, there are. i mean, the, the question of human rights for chinese would say very clearly how we manage our human rights is indeed a matter for us and how we deal with it. just like every country has its own human

rights problems. the west is not immune from having human rights problems. either. we only have to look back at the things such as rendition that took place in the middle east, where the west would kidnap and a cost of people and then render them for torture. in foreign presence, i think that would be classified as a human rights abuse. so the problem with is essentially, is that, is it being used to sort of target a particular country and a particular in a particular way? is it looking for human rights abuse in order then to hold china accountable? and then to put sanctions? that is a process we're talking about more sanction being put on china, more isolation on china, trying to push it out of the international order and into isolation of human rights. and of course, you know, although human rights federation,

i'm sure it's a very fine document. but different countries, different civilizations have different view. china tends to part of social cohesion, the community as its human rights. i mean the rights of communities, the rights of the people as a whole. we in the west tend to price the individual human rights, individual identity rights, gender right. well. busy if you, i mean, now we have so many more of these identity issues coming up, all of them can be used to put sanctions or penalize or in the other forms of the right punishment from a state. that's what, what can i say sion of human rights, which, i mean, i think i support support all of them. but i suppose the point is it's in the beholder and it goes guantanamo is,

is an open house to go out. stop you there. more from the former advisor to the european union. hi, representative. the common forum and security policy after this break for we're allowing ourselves to be more efficient for quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off. every device is a potential entry point for security at any machine. and it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers. one of them was one called suction flores, and it's not a matter of if it happens, it's a matter of when welcome

back. i'm still here before the british diplomat allister group. why do you think the bible administration does not understand that if you are empower certain groups that aren't necessarily pro washington's values, it can blow back after all the failures in recent decades. i mean column pals ex, steve has to have larry wilkerson saying rudo afghan has gone very aware the cia was very aware of the week as being able to be used to destabilize beijing. direct me. these guys know the dangers of supporting is the mist extremism. for some notional idea of a geopolitical supremacy. i'm not sure, i mean post for, i think they're all great day, very much stuff in ukraine,

taiwan. and then other places that are all great danger to that this can get out of control. it's very hard to manage the things when they stop, particularly ukraine, because the government there is not in control. the administration is not really who has control of the country. but what i'm really trying to say to you is that i think what we're seeing is mckennon by certainly parts of elements in washington to create the fence that america back, americans on paul. so, and to do that, they want to be quite aggressive and forceful. and so they, to these issues such as ukraine bell arose with russia and they're doing that, the key, russia on the back foot off balance to keep china off balance. but also particularly to try and give the pipe in ministration

a success foreign policy. even if for foreign policy success, it's a strategic blog. i mean, it's offensive losing the war to gain the political advance to come back and say this was a great success. and this is really some of what's been happening in a way the night is paid is strategically way. but sometimes they can go back to medically and say, well, you know, we really gave the iranians what or in the last talk we ready? did. we tell china we cochise or by one attack me and we goes and it's genocide and it's not acceptable. and that's very important in the domestic on a context of united states. does it help you? does it how the united states strategically? probably the office is actually seen over this period because and so the process started during the clinton administration. and actually america is called week if

you're in spirit has from gods congress. look at the middle east, look at the whole of the coming together. i think it was even 20 years ago. people warned that the sort of short term success it's all it would do would be to turn china and russia against the united states and even possibly could have been working together against us. that's what's happened. and when it comes to the conservation that you were mentioning earlier, this time around, obviously, i mean, china will remember, it's embassy being destroyed, as nato broke up. your love you at that time in the ninety's and poochie. and i think roy's remembers that russia should never have abstained on that un security council resolution on libya. so it's a bit different this time then major in moscow, up, up to the tricks that washington my play and room will react differently. very, and i mean this is what china said to, to, to bring them to,

to support sullivan. you know, we're not doing this ala carte foreign policy where you just pick, we don't like to cooperate with this. but on the other issues, it's a open warfare. we'll just go for you on human rights on trade, on whatever us stealing our secrets, we will, we will proceed. and they said, sorry, thank you. we don't do that. i don't, we put all the issues and we have a discussion. and we do not accept neither russian, china, except the right of the united states to determine the global or rules based order that the united states does not have the right to determine the rules for a global order is not going to be acceptable to either of those state and they rejected very clearly. this is a big change because they say this very, very, very clearly when they send invoice, when, when the sherman goes to china victorian newland, they say, look,

here's our interest. when all prepared to talk to about this, if you want to talk about taiwan, you want to be talk about these other issues. there are private or internal masses, hong kong, in turn, by victoria and be very tough, be begin. look at her, a leaked phone call about the european union on line. i suppose. i don't know about the refugee crisis there, but i mean, here the english channel enormous numbers of people fleeing. well, from the was started by tony blair and, and george w bush all that time ago. but actually the news here is not mean about the refugees across the english channel. i'll give you far more going for france. it's about of course, as you mentioned earlier, the better bruce, poland border is putin responsible for hybrid warfare, as we're being told every day. here is a vanguard of this kind of opposition to washington's research and imperial

policies. no, i mean obviously dissolve is something of a standalone diplomatic stand or taking place between bella ruth and the european union. but when it started all pewter, we were told to have 4000 refugees on the other side of the fence to poland. now it turns out that there are only 2 cars that, that put this into context is just going to be this hybrid war that's going to bring down the or can union you would know better than me, but it have been experiencing one of the refugees arriving in a day not over this period. i think the rhetoric you think is funny being deescalate you know, wiley. busy refugees going that if not someone is recruiters of the refugees have in mind there are certain countries set up. you know,

you get to open germany. obviously what britain united states from the thought. so iraqi and try and find whatever was big and get and they will start off the refugee sitting on the roof side of the border made a very clear that destination is not. poland is small. the latter destination is me quite yours, german and maybe pull him in the way we get the we got the idea on our tv screen. this is putins monster plan. it's not a, it's not, i mean, you know, to have some retro, jeez, i mean, germany's let in a 1000000. i mean, it's not an any way for them because they're slowly re penetrating them and put in the shanker to the high representative of your sources are less manager. we need some help and we'll do it and we'll,

we'll manage this, i think actually trying to sanction the airlines is actually going to the europe shooting itself in the foot. because if they do that, then not only belarus but russia will probably um, cut off the space to your panel lines. if that is what is done to them. and then are, all those british airlines trying to fly to asia will have 5 hours extra flying time . whereas emirates of the other asian airlines will be flying direct deer opinions will have a big loss on tourism and on passengers trying to asia. i mean, i know i mentioned my 6 earlier, i know you got to talk with my 6. what do you think the fact that journalists to report about all these things about may jing about moscow in these ways are because they are influenced by hollywood ideas of james bond? is it this idea of the evil bond villain? that goes through journalist heads?

it is, let alone politicians ads. it is a problem. i do think there's an extraordinary sense where you have been sort of me taken up these narrative and they go, or even when there's no real basis of it, we've just seen one just now. for example, you've all seen, you know, russian troops on ukraine, border masses of troops on the border. i mean, the reality is that the troops that have there are 200 kilometers away from the board. no, putin is not intending to take over the ukraine. what he's wired to fight and what he's concerned about is whether in a desperate attempt to get nieto and european support from imploding authority and is going to try and use both as the tool in which to extract further support. nate has already said it also remember that defensive defense preset that to about 3 weeks ago in europe has been

selling them or weapons merican for promising them or weapons to try and reunite to reintegrate dumbass you crave. i'm putin has no desire to go and take on, you know, the mass ukraine, unless there was a real fear that forces back by the west, we're going to overrun the dom bus. and then it's, you know, it's the old story that you saw in britain with the falkland islands. it's about kept them k, k. most of these people. many, if you go to moscow, most russians have got a cousin or relative said listen, don't boss. i mean, it's a russian speaking area totally, russian speaking, these russian currency and they're all closely related. so it's very difficult for, for put in would be to, nor carry on the invasion of the don't boss very difficult.

and that and that low intensity now battling is continued out for years. obviously, britain arming ukraine. optimism perhaps here the world is finances aren't just from the military. industrial complex obviously, could change come from multinational corporations lobbying nato governments, one k street in washington over here in london saying look, we're starting to lose money on the considerations of ever more sanctions against aging in moscow and iran even could it be multi nationals rather than it seems democratic populations, pressuring politicians into some kind of detente. i think the most important thing actually happened in the, in the outcome of the american departure. they bought cargo

because what we saw enough to was something quite striking. the shanghai cooperation organized, they merged with the east asian european economic community, which merge with that is the security organization comprises much of what was he stood southern south asian soviet union into a single unit that embraces something like 53 percent of the global population. and 25 more percent of g d p, a fast growing area. iran has, but i believe it pakistan is a member of it. and then saudi arabia has to be a dialogue part. egypt to us to be a dial up. i think what we're seeing is a potential potential, perhaps for new security architecture to emerge embracing parts perhaps of the

middle east too. and that's quite striking that that could be a like the mechanism that could reduce some of the tensions to be used in this way . and it's clearly going to change the prospect for a country like iraq. they'll be a pipeline, i'm sure going across from iran through afghanistan, long border kennestone and china, north of line or east west corridor. all of these things are ongoing. i mean, that is an area where, you know, development, this is going to move very, very rapidly. rusher is just agreed to invest hugely in the can be all fine in the rain. in fact, the caspian sea, huge amount money. so i think we're going to see a big change from this, the scattering. is it going to be, i think this is why it is so much more confidence in russia and china,

just say to america, know, and united states increasingly are just doing the same. i'm sorry, but we don't accept that you set the the roadmap, you on setting the global rules for, for, for the world. because there are other states who equally powerful and also because the strategic balance of power as shifted. america has a few right, is behind in the military sense, as well as in the technology and in the assay. correct. thank you. thank you very much. indeed. i mean, that's over the show will be back on monday, 58 years to the day when cold war president john f. kennedy was assassinated in mysterious circumstances in dallas, texas, until then he would talk to our social media and let us know if you think the country you live in should give it to me. jing or washington? no, neither. ah

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