tv Cross Talk RT November 22, 2021 3:30am-4:01am EST
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ah, to discuss these issues and more enjoying by my guest jordan, samuel eli in budapest, he's a podcast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, cross to dmitri bobbitt, she is a political analyst and editor. and you know me, internet media project, i generally cross our pros and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate it. let's start with the me here in moscow, a president putin address to russia's foreign policy elite. and it was quite interesting that he talked about red lines again to the point of reminding, as he likes to say, where his web rushes, western partners, which i find quite whimsical, to be honest with you. what he did, he's basically saying you're not taking serious rhetoric very seriously, and you do it at your own peril. i mean, i don't know how much more straightforward and simple you can make it. ok,
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all you have to do is go to the website, the kremlin dot, are you and you can read these things the much, but no one in the west seems to be typically bother. go ahead. oh, the problem is that the nato general factory or the people responsible for that, for $49.00 states, they will not be fired or supported relations with only from experience and the consequences or relations and we wanted maybe devastate. i mean, the reason why the wider program or the border between all of them are the reason why it is so you all can all talk to bill or they can not talk to, they won't, they did. they don't want to talk to deal with a lot of if you borders publications which has a parent, you need dependence. you what's going on. they wrote that we have like children, you know, the grown ups, you know, like mrs. murphy was talking to,
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the ceiling doesn't fall down, you know, the least try to resolve the problem. and we are facing this problem and we can talk to him when you, you know, the same story with russia or any kind of dial with russia now. hello. i'm looking at speaking about concessions. any kind of dialogue is viewed as a huge, huge weakness. you know, we should be taken to russia if we can see the crimea ukrainian territory. even though, you know, i visited the crimea 10 times in my childhood, in my young years. i never heard of water green spoken there, but you do like the states consider crimea. great. it means that us warships and british waters, well be no russian. it's 30, tory was at their own burial. you know, the world may go down, but they will be doing that. and the people behind it, boys, johnson,
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all american. but just they know they're not going to be held responsible. if something terrible happens, they will blame it. all in russia and this continues, i mean, just this week we saw this new responsible staff. congressman suggested not recognizing victory if you're around since 2000. thank you for. so this is a disaster in making. no, i'm not sure whether we can move around or not, but these people are, they have already wasted time, will even happens. we may lose one and then was, you know, so the is the same day. you're a sports, you know, with russia or with anyone in the west disagree with. well, it just is like playing in a fantasy world. this doesn't exist. i mean, this is a, a foreign policy in the mind. ok. it's completely divorced with, from reality on the ground. i mean that the russians obviously very perturbed with nato's posture in any country when it calls itself
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a defensive alliance. but it looks pretty offensive. you're sitting in moscow here and, and all the much more. so to have dialogue, i mean basically they're saying if we want to avoid the worst, and i think we all want to, we have to at least talk to each other. i mean, i'm glad team of brought this up. this issue about the, the migrant crisis on the be a route, a polish border. it's not really a crisis. i mean, it gets a lot of media coverage, but i mean, in the scheme of things with the migration problem in europe, it's really quite small potatoes. but this is a cultural here. and it, the consequences could be dire. and i don't think it's the, i see a western policy makers, edema said no, we get fired for i mean they, their sleep walking into a disaster. go ahead or yes. but the problem is also that even when there is dialogue rushes, western partners which is very politely, be deceptive. and i think that's something that in the grow
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a repeated over and over again, which is a, we go to the french would go to the germans and they tell us that they support the cause. and yet they do nothing until to father the minutes because they know exactly what's in the midst of what is available online. and they say what it is, it's an agreement signed between the author isn't even the or it is in the bar. and there are certain steps that here is compelled to me and then he says he has not may, which is changing its constitution, granting a special status to an amnesty and then not on it. and not only are they not done in france and germany, i'm not doing anything at all to push them towards it. on the contrary, they keep encouraging a curacy. and more seriously, nato keeps encouraging here by telling them, this is a conflict between russia and ukraine, and that ukraine is the victim of russian aggression. this goes on year off the
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year of the year and it said, you know, it's already now in the 7 years since the signing of the midst of was russians are getting very pretty, very upset about this. because essentially the wes, this is lying to them with no interest at all in resolving this fundamental country . they are trying to strengthening ukraine and encouraging them to try to resolve this by force. and that's why who says red lines, this is a red line. we're not going to tolerate, you're trying to resolve this by force, but everything which is doing is advancing towards that end. i mean, bar is johnson signed the strategic partnership agreement with your grade as does blinking. then what else the russians could close. that basically is that all of the key major problems are encouraging you create to try to resolve this by force, and that is definitely a red line. so deem, i mean, this is how it plays out encouraging zalinski regime and to be more robust in
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its attempts to regain control of the dumbass. there is a military operation larger small. it doesn't really matter. it forces a russian reaction because the russians have made it clear that these 2 problems is, will not be ethnically cleansed. we have to remind our viewers that up to 14000 people in the done best have been killed by the key of government. and so they want to force russia, and then they'll say, see their aggressive, that's how they want to play this, you know, dealing with the biggest loser in all of this is ukraine. go ahead. oh, i think the biggest loser. so radio people, family was russia and brain. it has been impossible to resist your brain during the last 2 years and then explain all this. but also the refusal when you bring it down with a, you know. 1 all right, so just to give it to them for free, you know,
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and they said no, because this is a rick seen pro game. this is a bad, you know, the pre, even seen because it was made in russia, so thousands of ukrainians die. and this is no reason to get a for the russian between the same story between barrels of all of the through a. now let me tell you, or maybe not all of them know this, you know, so, you know, for bell russians, it's like their 2nd, it was like st. petersburg russians. there was music in the south. there was no, no susan, all been going to ship was basically a single entity inside rushing fire, which included a decent ball and the same people. it was just pure for their, you know, a now that building a wall or 200 miles in length. and 100 miles long. yes, there is
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a drag. well, the walk through it and why? 2000 miles on the border. as far as i know, 800 microns and read them every day. so he's basically the same amount that is read you the cause of, you know, with this as an invented problem that the claim is, i mean, in georgia and i have talked about this and the guy go now see him is that, you know, this is a problem, this is a beer roost poem problem that only the russians resolve again. and again, this is a ploy. ok. they, they won't talk to you, they won't talk to them about this, but they, and they really don't want to talk to button, but they really want to resolve it. are you crazy? a now talking to question because she's not right now talking to you because she's as
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they right. so they don't want to go anywhere and they just expect that, you know, and they're just let me know back to georgia, they're talking among themselves, thinking if they're going to resolve the problem, like talking among themselves and start talking on the cell because the migrant crisis as the great crisis is something that nato power is one to use as a propaganda weapon against russia, they seize on this, they made no attempt to resolve this over to him by humanities and so on. they should know the manager is what so they so that, oh great, we're going to use this as a propaganda, whether the was actually right there or follow people coming across the channel illegally from, from france to the u. k. every day. and there of the people on the border, but that apparently is not a huge problem or is johnson isn't right me wrong. i don't know, you know, the terrifying sanctions war or anything. and yet this is supposed to be
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a crisis. and despite the fact that the centrally, inhumane methods are being used on the, by the, by the postal authorities, again, the final that the g several issue, the statements a, we stand solidly with, poland. so where is all the humanitarianism? this is something is very useful, is just something to mobilize. the troops mobilize the west. so you're, you're saying just the french and the british, there's squabbling about the channel. but then they come out with a g 7 or incomplete. solidarity on immigration isn't really quite whimsical. a finish up here in their news reports here that and then see a sign of a 1500 troops to the, to the be a russian border. i mean, what should be a diplomatic political, even economic solution. again, we have these powers relying upon military to solve a humanitarian problem. i mean, again, it seems quite contrived to me last 30 seconds. go to you may go ahead. well,
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i think it's also lesson because he was friendly with anti russian brain regime in is orange, it's you on a ridge. so it also shows you show the west why location is against. there is no problem with that. we can pick it, but he is friendly with russia. then you got to dictate that. then i'm going to take a single i jump in here, but it seems you know it through the whole history of crossing. we have the 31 flavors of lucas anchor, who would have thought of get, who are a gentleman? i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to restore, break and ask about your break, or can you continue our discussion with some real new stay with our team. ah, ah. i driven by dream shaped bankers and those with
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the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah . okay, let's go back to george in budapest. i'm the written house, a verdict is in, and of course the it within american elite circles, you know, did, did the system work? it was there just this, you know, you know, they can chase their tail all they want about that. okay, that's fine. but one of the things i guess for me kind of being a bit of a far away is, this is still another contrived story that falls has fallen flat on its face. weapons of mass destruction, rush it gate bounty gate. i hunter by me. we can go on and on for hours and hours, and this one, this one really was an ultimate fail because i think you, all of us would agree. russia gave was important to people and it had elements. but
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this is something that so internal, the left is racialized, everything divided people by race. and now you look at the mainstream meeting, the, the broad sheets look at the liberals of stations, and they completely got it wrong from when are people going to finally turn them off? george, go ahead. yeah, it is quite shocking because this is a real pattern. it's, it's something that's ongoing, it's not like where you got this all that story wrong, but generally you get everything else, right. it's just, it's systematic. i mean, here was this the case in which every single thing that the mainstream media mainstream politicians talked about was there was wrong. i mean, every, all the stories about it, he was a white supremacist. i got a gun and carried across state like a straight line state line or if it and so
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and everything that he went a was a vigilante. every single thing was wrong. ok, you know, if there was a recent case leave treyvon martin case with george settlement again, every single thing was wrong and deliberately so. and then it was, you mentioned rush again. i mean, russian date is of off and hopefully i'll say stories and it wasn't just the students. you know, we got that right. there was also the story about we can lease a lease about the trump town meeting. i'm george and alex on the down and it was on on. and then, you know, you mentioned all the other cases. so there is a systematic pattern here. and what is really pernicious is that they also the guardians, the watch dogs the mainstream, into the watch, dogs of what is the sense? so, you know, anything, the holes, you know, they will, they seem to be fe,
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use the ban. so we just know that we have the case of the coven. i mean, how many stories have been put out about cove and was immediately a, you know, this is untrue. so this must be bad. don't imagine how many people will ban for saying that vaccines are ineffective. you know, doesn't back. if i can go on facebook with now is admitted, you know, yes, i mean that i think may or may be 60 percent effective. yes, the vaccines may only be good for 4 months, but that's a new story. and then again, well, the story is about the home to buy the laptop. so these are people who of a is a fate use also the lives of the guardians. what is the mystery to say so, and you know, the self appointed policeman of the inflammation space edema and this, this is right in your, in your will house here,
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is that this is the ultimate ideology trumps from justice drums. reality, i mean, these are all, it's all, this is ideologically driven towards po for the sake of political goals. i mean, news. i mean, what's that? it's irrelevant. i mean, particularly in the, in this a written house story. i mean, it comes into a complete focus here. we're damn the facts. ok. and, and the, and we're, we're basically to, i don't believe you're lying eyes. i mean, don't watch those videos. i mean, it's so patently obvious that this trial should have never gone to trial because it was ideologically driven and they were political goals at stake. i mean, that's what the prosecution was such a good phone going. well, basically there is a rule in relationship where you haven't fully don't why the base of the western media right now is larry small. hopefully they're not. they're not
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narrow in the me. well, now, why didn't i ok, there was the space with a house. he was defending himself, did he pass partial rules with that? no, he's a white supremacist. no, we should make it a matter of nation by discussion. or we, you know, the same story with foreign or reports like the whole gradient ready just started from a very small issue. should you great, having a station agreement with you in the 1013 or maybe 6 months late, not as young. and what did they do? oh, when i read is in support of that association. oh yeah. of course use the beta here sticks to disperse, the grow. oh that means we should use or these people are in type of use. well, i guess, you know, he's a criminal, he must be overthrown,
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even though he wasn't act legally. well, some people did not agree with his or what role use boris against the tense. this is allow you don't feel state that was a well we use our guys use tanks and. 2 planes, that's fine. so out of a small issue, they all grow a huge, huge problem and now the world may die. you know, in the back seat we have a real danger or you clear why? because you couldn't stand the fact that young boys asked them, ask them to wait for 6 months in 2013 same story with ideology has no patience as we home here. and also george, when it is interesting, is that years ago you would have to say, well, the jury is spoken. ok,
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good outcome, bad outcome, but they have spoken. but that's not the case anymore, because not only do many people condemn the verdict, they condemned the process in which the verdict was i decided to fancy that's, that's what so that's what shifted here. and obviously, if you did, if you are for the verdict that, that tells you the left, the people in power, everything they need. if need to know about you, you don't have a name, you don't have an age, you don't know and you don't have origin, you're a certain type of bad person. i mean, when everything gets to still down to the simplest denominator. now that is extremely unhealthy for a vibrant society, george. well, that's right, because whether the media of a is of, is the desired narrative, the design narrative is that ha, maybe even more than half of the american public are worthless. i mean,
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they are deplorable. they are the vaccinate that they are racist. k support, that's the narrative they want. so when they, when they come to a case such as the zimmerman case and down in florida. oh, the this case in kenosha. they want to use this. is this of this kid? he was 17 years old. he's a stand in for races, white america. so that's the story. you know, he's become this little kid. something becomes the vessel, but all media hatred for the great on war. it becomes direct that and the result that same collection with russia gave them russia and the great on war. somehow they live one of the same and then, you know, and we have spent the last 56 years trying to link the right with russia that somehow put in is the man who, you know, not only did he give trump,
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he's behind all the rightly populous moves that everywhere that we don't like where they are available. so know how to do behind this. so the, the, any, any situation arises. they're always looking for the russian angle here. you know, they're going to show the same rushes really behind all of this. and that's why a, when you mentioned some of those cases when the home to buy the story came up in the election immediately without any evidence of all we have, you know, 50 intelligence officials are open letter. so all this the smack. so russian, this information, again, no, it is a list of the mainstream media. when this goes well, this is baffled by who wants to make things back to me. i'm actually surprised that the that hasn't been a full 2 car written house connection yet, but i'm only for it. i think that's coming nation. georgia is inevitably having to
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deal with what's really important to point out here is if we compare russia gate hoax, and this is in campaign against this at the time, a 17 year old across state lines. i really that really goes over the top. it doesn't matter if they, if the, if the powers to be the liberal establishment gets it wrong because they always to fall back. but our cause is a higher cause it doesn't matter. and this is what so pernicious about it. and because you know, they all, no rush again was a hoax, but it served a purpose and that of the call written house trial serve to purpose. it doesn't. who cares about him. ok, and this isn't country we all know, but we need an ideological victory. that's what they're only concerned with. they they, they're, they're, they're not even ashamed when they're exposed for being the liars that they are going. well i, i think a was to say that this was not important. i mean,
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i know we think he's very out here, but what i'm saying is that she was just a yeah, well, a relationship with your spouse never wide the based on never say this is what you always do. this is about, you know, so the problem stay with matter. and this is exactly the american media. exactly the opposite. you know, i think i already know how that went to if you read the initial stage or the press power to rush again. thank you. was russia, we're both support can be a lam radius. why? why? you know, somehow we rolled something that made it was more active, which i think that would happen most likely because this is more but it doesn't matter to me because those post exist somewhere on facebook. oh oh i did they,
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they will be mind forever in perpetuity. last time i can see my finish up. yeah. so i think that the, you know, when we criticize the need yet, we don't criticize, don't mean precise. we criticize what is behind it because these are no just need a mistakes. a strong my think the need is just the reflection of a bigger problem, which is dangerous. all walk on the excellent point. that's all the time we have. gentleman want to thank my guest, your moscow and in budapest, i want to thank you for watching us here. to see you next time, remember? oh with
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