ah, ah, i ah, [000:00:00;00] with i'm after that senior watching, going underground in another week of u. k. u. s. e, you nation armed. saudi arabian asked strikes on the poorest country in the middle east. yemen today, meanwhile is 48 hours ahead of the 74th anniversary of the united nations partition plan for palestine that arguably capitalized so much bloodshed and population displacement as the u. n continues to struggle to deal with the most important issues over time, from climate change to monopoly power. i'm joined now from geneva by professor how

for de zayus. he was the 1st you an independent expert on the promotion of a democratic inequitable international order. and author of building a just well daughter, alfred, welcome to going underground. again. the book is a myriad of issues. i mean, some might say it should be embalmed in the new york and horses. i mean, let's just begin though, with a question that you know before before we live in a society where a book that dames to save every, every human being alive on, on the planet. before it's given to all the ambassadors of the u. n. is a mandatory requirement. can you understand why people don't trust the united nations today? the united nations is a great idea and if it didn't exist, we would have to create it. now. oh course it's $198.00 and it's not. i'm done with that. and it's not mine, he moved,

i mean the organization is the state and anything that is human is, of course, in a way it's functional. it's in a way of corrupted. you know, way i jacked and the united nations does very good things. i and i plan especially work done by the world health organization and the international labor office and the world intellectual property organization. but of course, those highly political issues are, what does the security council do to preserve the piece that is actually the principal on the united nations daughter commitment to human rights, a commitment to the right to the development in all of those areas, we are limping and we're limping badly, and of course human rights and we have the standard. i mean, the norms are there,

the mechanisms are they are what we don't have is and for the special rock will occur for the human rights council. they are like and the procedure of electing these experts is anything but perfect is extremely political and glass. reason, obviously most wrap or curse are those people who are going to toe. the line in friend is just to interrupt that. we've had very good ones on this program, arguably higher. actually, that's a good note. ask it. the good news. if we have a meals meltzer, good friend of mine. we have an elaine, i go hand, good friend of mine. we have only a, there's who tech, good friend of mine, but of course not all independent like these 3 homes. and when they write their reports, that you obviously value and you and you mentioned that would be able to see our interviews with some of them on our youtube channel. you mentioned them in,

in building a just well daughter. their, their letters to governments are ignored. i mean, obviously julian assange comes to mind and you, you make it clear that before we, i mean, along with the importance of peace, the right to truth, you say is so crucial in bought of bought a building, a just world order neil's mounts has left us to the british government, we're often unanswered. i think i'm not even sure what the whether they have been answered about what torture of a journalist in this country. well, certainly it's a case of torture, both physical and psychological, and a working group on arbitrary detention or rate 2019 declared the detention on the conditions in which up a song was living in the ecuadorian embassy in london. if violation was 9 of the calling on political rights, arbitrary detention,

i hammered on that several times when i was rock motor on international audit. and what the british government say at the time, they thought that we were ridiculous, that's the word they used. we were ridiculous asking this, i'd like to you of what you say to quote, perhaps the most scandalous and immoral example of the multinational corruption of the rule of law by law fair. as regards as regards the son, just case in the context of a and this is a constant theme in the new book, in your new book, the degradation of language. well, it really, i mean, if you thought that this is all the, i added back, well, you know, see i, everybody was intimidated. what if they clearly are of our age is that we're being lied to every day. we are swimming in an ocean of life and we're happy about it. we

accept the fact that cnn and box on the b, b. c on the new york times. and the washington post line was every day. and i'm not saying that they are disseminating only fake news. of course, i read the new york times, i read the working of those. i must be important. i want to know what they're saying. the problem is that they still progress information. they so press, sometimes 50 percent of what's really crucial to understand an issue. that being the case you are being like took those media organizations and say for purposes a space and they reply to a criticism like you just made by saying no, the fake can use problem stems from people who defend juliana serge. well, the fact is that if it was only fake news, generate fake history and we're dealing with fake law because

the us president, they are not state ok, downing street burly. they make the law, i think go along. and then they a book principles which actually are not hard law as if they were. and that leads of course, to a clash when you have a representative of the european union. and who is speaking with the foreign minister or the president of paula or of congress? they're not speaking the same language. they don't mean the same thing when they're talking about you're not perceive or freedom, or identity or culture. it is a problem when the united states wants to say,

come back to the agreement on iran. well, they're not speaking the same language. let's pick a phrase, humanitarian intervention. i think people would recognize that i don't know the soviet union liberation of ours, which was humanitarian intervention. i think you went to terry and intervention is a pretty established phrase. in the book, you explain how that, that phrase, which is meant to save lives, kills people out of money carry an intervention. they invented a new term, which actually is pure propaganda responsibility to protect our 2 p. i. so i don't think a scam, as we say, as well as that the purpose of our to p,

the purpose of humanitarian intervention is not human. a terry, the purpose is regime change. the purpose is to circumvent the absolute prohibition of the use of force. lay down and article 2 or 4 of the un charter that is hard law and the your charter. trump's all other agreements as you well know, but where this broke, i can pick up sales i strategy that say we are going to bring you money. terry assistance to libya, 2011 security council resolution 1973. i mean that was seen because what the pend, it was to help the population of libya and

not to destroy the country, create total chaos. i don't even get a b simply functioning mammography. afterwards, so here you have the emblematic case of correcting language and you say that in itself is something that you and i both agree and we do want to help individuals. we do want to how you saw that. you saw that at the time, but russia and china can easily be blamed to for abstaining on that. they have to say to you and not to go to council. you know, when i spoke in the general assembly, i presented my report. that must have been 2014 and i was pushing for the idea of reforming the security council and doing away with the legal power. i actually explain why that, how you can graduate, not from now to tomorrow,

but gradually move away from this veto power. and the russian delegate took the floor and took me to and say, look, you know, we were full by the french and the bricks and the americans. and we went along and only put in our ah station, ah, to resolution 970 great. they're not gonna lie to us again and they're not going to for us again. we just had, i just have them though that was under president med with them. and of course, then we saw syria and we saw and strengths of the biden administration, launched as strikes on syria within the 1st 6 months of his inauguration. all illegal all illegal, and our sank and normal price winter up barack obama. they came off the ground. no one has killed more people with groans and back obama, but he still are said,

this is of course the kind of indoctrination that we get day in day out in the new york times. i mean, the washington post. this is that per section on reality, that the narrative managers are trying to impose on the rest of us. i have to get to another theme me in the book here. you talk about invest estate dispute settlement systems. there was a, so of course assange, you reveal the power of corporations to subvert it, man a convention, and i suppose it's particularly timely your chapters on that, given what has happened to a lawyer defending indigenous communities in ecuador, i must ask you in the, in the context on this book. what happened with steven don's ago, why is he in jail right? bo, this is again, law fair. this is a correction of law. this is how we say a collusion between our corporate power and the judiciary. and

that is not uncommon in the united states. and it's, it's really a matter of concern how the administration of justice and the administration of criminal justice has been hijacked by the billionaires by power and the, the military industrial complex. and everybody remembers it was on the 17th of january, $961.00 that my president, dwight d eisenhower warrant off american the wear off the military industrial complex is the greatest, correct? to our democracy. nobody listen. the military industrial complex today is the greatest, shall we say, destroyer, all democracy in the united states. it's either one that few was war all over the

world. the one that while takes in money away from health care from education, from maintenance of bridges, you know, brinkets fall into the mississippi for lack of maintenance. and why is that? because we spend more than 40 percent of the budget in the military in procurement and more nuclear submarines and more grounds versus ass. i'll stop you them more from the author of building a just wild order after this break us dollars world reserve current in the days are numbered there. those even the big calling community that held on hope that somehow the us dollar will remain on the world stage. but it's hillary clinton herself, points out the coin is essentially undermining or destroying the u. s. dollar, because the u. s. dollar can't hold its purchasing power because it's via money and

no fee of money over the past 300 years. as emerson gave trading to 0 the postal service delivers a $155000000000.00 pieces of mail every year. constantly 40 percent of the world's mail right now the us postal service is in the flight of its life to survey the introduction bad financial shape. now facing default, the postal service is a cash cow in there was a way to pull money out of the postal service to put in a federal budget. there was a mandate, you bring it on to $1000.00, new revenue every month. the nature of privatization in the us postal service is very much hidden from public view. it's privatization from the inside out. why that's a

big business in money. it's not about the public and given them the service that they deserve. it's not about quality train workers. it's about with assurance, i don't seem an official, and this is for sure someone at the from to check up a discussion with people. and yet the nekisha post goes in the search the when you decide next line me at the whipping that they should usually should almost by you. so what i'm going to look up in cities. it took the test mission lifestyle, right?

yes. the key moments which she's leeway she shared with welcome back. i'm still here with professor alfred de zayus to form a un independent ex, but on the promotion of a democratic inevitable international order and view also of building adjust. well, daughter, you make a recommendation that essential services should be kept in government hands, which obviously i'm talking to you from britain where everything's been privatized . when you really think water, energy internet, the un should, should make a global pack the, the essential services should be in government adds, as you recommend in this book. i think that if you read the comment on economic

social cultural right now, you will see that stage already have an obligation to guarantee those essential services. and of course, there is no enforcement mechanism. so all state bodies, truly covenant on economic social cultural rights can violate with unity. the united states systematically ignores what the human rights committee set in concluding observations, including what with regard to indigenous. i mean, you realize that the indigenous of the united states, which we call indian, so they have nothing to do with the indian sub continent, but they creased on the seal and the navajos and the charities. i mean, these people not only did with massacre, but we stole praise of dollars of their natural resources. and

these indigenous are completely, shall we say this in franchise. you say the w t o should be incorporated into the united nation system. presumably, it would have to be if, if those native americans are going to get the land back. obviously the w d. o is something britton is particularly interested in because a bricks of how could the w t o ever be incorporated into the united nation system . they already has an association agreement, but it is not for the secretary general of the united nations. i'm going to go back to tell the director general of appeal what to do. the same thing happens with the bretton woods organizations, meaning the international monetary fund. and the world bank are they have a very loose relationship with the united nations. and essentially they

work against the interest. again, the purpose is on principles over united nations, rather than advancing the right to development. what they often do is that they can was a male country is a little money. well then you have to prioritize everything. and then you have to cut the civil service and then you have to cut the investment in education and in the health care. and that actually is at the source off the pass for feet in so many african countries that have not been able to come to grips with it, or for that matter would allow, with that matter, with all these and demick that break out in africa regularly. because the money has been taken away from the hospital. if you read all about it in the land,

say it's not like you have no access to information. i clearly internet is a fantastic source of information to prove that the i am asked if i didn't, the purposes and principles of the united nations and the w t. o was he denied they claim that they are for the benefit of mankind or their public private partnerships. it is again pro and nothing less. let me give you a quote. bye bye. i me. the old former director general. they don't, you know, he said tray is human rights in practice, quote, unquote, i say, oh wow. human rights in practice. well, how about help me? you know,

the christian men in bangladesh or the fisherman and wherever overcome the i oversee that you have by the commercial enormous fleet that just sweep off everything. the main, shall we say, sickness of the system of human rights protection today is what i call the red herring, the wrong priorities. the money is being spent for issues of gender. not that gender is not important. what is not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd priority? the 1st priority is peace. make a and in order to have peace, you have to control arms straight the arms race. you have to make sure because if there is so much trade in arms,

you want more so that they blow up the drone. so they blow up there and they need new, i'm going i'm going to say that, i mean, obviously when, when countries do say they want to evade that new liberal model and not have the public private partnerships to an extent. although lately that's not quite true . arguably it's venezuela and the human rights industry as it's cool comes down hard on them. you finish the book talking about venezuela. you probably know the president maduro believes that gold has been stolen by the bank of england here for a strong to consider the door and not even to be president. some of the put it up. so i mean, it's like a crass violation of international law and international or the international the wrong place. or did they call it? was this that was completely with a my roommate, an independent expert on international order. and when i, as the very 1st un drop with her,

went to venezuela to be on the ground to talk to everybody. i talked to the opposition to the national assembly, to the chamber of commerce professors to students. i went on the street, i spoke with people real people. well, my report because it was not singing the song they expected me to say was essentially ignore. and he was thanks to a colleague of yours, michael selby. green, who interviewed me many months after the report had come out because the report what he needed it. but he did a long interview with me for the independent which was then followed by interviews in your news and on pat huh. and i guess your etcetera. but the problem is, i had very concrete pragmatic recommendations. the base rent got implemented

release 80 prisoners that i had requested right away. entered into a new cooperation agreement with the f, a all with a w h o with you and hcr, etc. i brought a letter and said, look, you know, there are too many a lot of there and meet up roy what you need a 2nd graph and please help them. and it's when people, not the government is when i'm people. but anyway, my message was that the 20 terrier crisis, if you call that a humanitarian crisis in 2007 being that this economic crisis. what i think that this economic crisis was a direct result of 20 years. all economic war waste by washington as well. and then of course, aggravated with these asphyxiating sanctions since 2015,

it's inconceivable. that is when i was unable to transfer funds anywhere because no back would take a look when there was a year there as well. embassy or been as well on our mission somewhere and they had to look for money. the bank would refuse it. and with regard here in switzerland, you know, i'm both an american citizen and it's we citizen and i'm very proud to be slaves and i very much believe in our system of semi direct or 6. but even that this week, even they, you'll be yes. even, you know, the big a banks are afraid of the american sanctions, so they will not even transfer money to venezuela, which is donated in the context of call the 19 when with regard to cuba, for instance,

an association here in switzerland collected money for cuba. i wanted to purchase bank layers against the 19th and ship them to give the company here in switzerland refused to sell me a story, told time and time again with sags very briefly at the end, i got to ask you, then if you are a world leader who doesn't want to appease washington and brussels? what do you do in the face of those sanctions? you have to organize within other countries of the global south, away from the united nations, away from the un security council i made, i made specific recommendations with regard to a shall we say global movement. all saw countries that are suffering under sanctions, that they should know,

all of them refused to cooperate with the united states. you can bring down many of these sanctions if there is like in the case of my gun, the and civil disobedience. if you have a mass movement that says, we will not put up with what the problem is that the european union has betrayed his own business. people as betrayed his own citizens by allowing the extra territorial application of united states legislation in europe, including the helms burton act of 1996 by the way, also adopted under a democrat, our friend bill clinton. everybody price is obama. barack obama. everybody price is bill clinton, but actually they're not much different from the republicans. they just, i mean, they are lighter and they sell the product of better professors as thank you and

that's for the show will be back on monday, the international. they have solidarity with the palestinian people observed as u. s. u. k armed is ready killing about athenians continues until then keep in touch, viola, social media and let us know if you think the united nation still has relevance on the global stage. ah no hungarian proverb says you can put everything under one head. it means that the same rules can't be applied to everyone. and yet this is want you to pass, signed up to when it entered the european union in 2004. today hungry is accused of all possible sins against democracy. now does the or bank government feel about its future and place in the european family?

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