offering affairs and trade, there's here, i don't mean to say it's great to see you again. thank you very much. i'm now you've heard me referring to that folk wisdom about not putting everything under one had. but i know that there is another saying in the language, it's kind of an advice about stretching only as far as your blanket goes. i think the hungarian blanket to say goes pretty far these days are for some guests in russia. you have a solid relationship with china and many other countries where it says that in the european union, your home, your family, your country is still treated a little bit like on foreign terrible. why do you think that a little bit? you know, there's a big debate in the european union now how the you should look like in the future. and i think that the find that the debate is out there should be considered as natural because the european union has been confronted with many challenges, basically, single pena fleet. so obviously under current circumstances,

it's natural to debate, to have a debate which way to go forward. and there are 2 basic approaches in this regard. one approach would like to create something like a united states of europe. so a pretty federal istic type of approach. there and the representatives which would like to basically overcome the national identity, christian heritage. and the more the most possible competence should be both to brussels that does their position. then there's another approach, the representatives or which are not minority i have to admit which is kind of a sewer mystic type approach type of approach which says that, yes, we do want a strong here up in the union. but we do believe that a stronger open union can only be based on strong member say, you know, in preparation of this interview, it was interesting to me to watch some of your earlier interviews from 2015, 2016, dealing with the migration crisis and many of the western journalists, in particular, british and roman journalists,

scalding hungry for non being more welcoming of the migraines. and compare it with the coverage of the current migration crisis on the bell. russian polish border where the level of indignation world integration is far for. 8 a little word, how does it look like from a past that you know, this shifting level of righteousness when it comes to migration issue? look, i have the luxury to be in this position for more than 7 years now. so i clearly remember who said was 56 years ago, and there are only 3 for ministers in e, u, in the same situation that we were there back in 2015. and i remember the way we were really, really attacked and we were consider a very no very hostile way. and those who treated us in a very rude way. they are now giving, basically a standing ovation to those who act similarly as we acted back in 2015. so our position remained unchanged that the external borders of the european union must be

protected. and it is a part of your super anything that you can make a decision whom you allow to enter the territory of your country. and it is your super and right to make a decision between you are ready to live together and to be to minister you said that your position remains unchanged. but i think it's also clear that the european position on the issue of migration has shifted. it's no longer based on the policy of war 2, called explicit invitation. you know, the other day i watched an interview on deutsch rally with one of the architects of gentlemen architects of the deal migration deal with turk. him. he was, you know, openly calling for moving those migrate from the polish border into ukraine, not into germany, but in see ukraine. so obviously even the joins are no longer in the rush of accepting those people. what do you think has changed in europe on that issue? over the last 5 years, you know, i think there's a big hypocrisy. we listened to some,

some comments which you have also quoted as if, as if western european countries have changed their position regarding migration. but when it comes to supporting pro migration and deals when it comes to the, the rest symbol came out when it comes to making incredibly responsible statements regarding the situation in afghanistan. when it comes to. when it comes to the mediterranean, there might be some comments which which sound to be different compared to what has been says since 2015 by the essence. but the essence of the european migration policy remained unchanged unfortunately. and if you look at the document or the statement or the founding document of the, of the new german government coalition, you will see that this extremely pro migration extremely well. speaking about germany because german chancellor gl americal was the main driving force behind the

2015 policy, as well as the main architect of the multicultural policy within the year. she's expected to step down pretty soon, and i know it's hard to tell, but i think every responsible policymaker will try to intuit the future. how do you think her leaving will affect both the internal and external dialogue happening in and around the european union? it's interesting because you have to keep, you have to consider this one package with the upcoming french provincial election . and after the next presidential election in france, you will have a new set up of leaders of the 2 strongest countries in the, in the european union. of course, germany is our number one trading part number one, investment partners. so for us, a pragmatic and neutrally respect based relationship is important when the germany, unfortunately recently, especially the german left thing parties and the german media was attacking goes

basically on a, on a continuous basis. for example, the relationship with russia, although expression or seem to is a, basically a common or a joint german, the russian expression. or as i visited the county color today, i've seen the big billboards of, of, of those companies which are present in color. and i seen, they're all the because german, french, italian spanish, more than happy working in russia and best buy. so either way that leads me to another question, do you think there is any connection between the you port and see if the ability to solve practical issues and it's proclivity to, you know, call other countries names or use variable, or ideological invectives. i think they didn't do those things affect one another. i mean they, they call you names, they call last names, but they still do business without that that affect anything in practical terms. yeah. it's an enormous hypocrisy because what happens is that the big country's

biggest strong countries can afford themselves to say and act differently. small countries cannot afford to want to create a vocal. yeah, but that's why, you know, the small groups, you know, what we say, what we do, what, and we cannot afford to say, and that differently because of the western europeans, do they act and speak differently in a, in a meaning that the day they criticize russia always, but they make the biggest businesses review or they criticize china. they shoot his eyes off for cooperating, we do in china, and then they make enormous deals and businesses with the chinese that's. that's how, that's how i meant it. doesn't hurt on, does it benefit what they're trying to do, though, is it talks a lot and i tell you why you have to take into consideration reality. and if you look at the reality shows that the china has increased, its sharing global g d p from 4 percent to 18 percent within 20 years. u. s.

basically at even from $31.00 to $3225.00 us traded more we china last year than together all the with all the u. member states. european union members have traded more of a china then the united states. so we have to take into consideration reality not to speak about the fact that the biggest free trade area of the world has been established in the east again and 70 percent of all investment globally have been financed by eastern capital last year and only 40 percent by investment capital, so because so these kind of hypocritical approach, which is unfortunately represented by the european union many times, hurts the european interest. and we as an integrated part of the european union, our interests are being hurted, as you mentioned, the united states. and as far as i know hungry didn't get an invitation to the upcoming summit of democracy. something by an administration is so eager to host. and in fact, hungry is the only e. remember to be sort of left out. and one of the 2 natal numbers does it hurts. i

mean, you know, we are a country with a one falls and year long statement one, the falls in the are long christian statewood. our history is full of fights for freedom, liberty, and to or anything. and we don't need any external actor or factor to judge our, the state of our democracy. we are not, you know, students in the 4th grade in the high school to, to be prepared for you can. but when it's unfair, it's unfair. it's easy. if you're not a human being, it should. yeah, but i mean, you know, once again, we don't need a judge. we don't need to judge. we are absolutely aware of our situation. we are proud of our democracy, proud of our fights during our history for, for freedom. we are proud of the last 1000 years and we don't need anybody to but kind of certified, you know. okay, let me rephrase my question, because your government has a pretty warm relationship with the trump administration, which as far as descent,

wasn't renewed to the full extent by the with the, by the team. and i think it was joe biden who on the campaign trail compared to your government to, to tally cherry in the region. now both you and i started political times in the university and we know that totality is actually well defined scientifically defined system with certain characteristics which whatever you think of hungry on their, if they're still losing their definition of to tell a, tara newsom, how well they understand democracy, nor does it political label, not as a rhetorical tool, but as a system of governance. i don't think that they care too much about the reality, not about the reality in our countries. unfortunately, you know, what they say about us has nothing to do with reality. they. they represent

a totally different ideological approach than we do. i even remember because i was there before 2016 during the former democrat administration de criticized us a lot for having a new constitution in hungary for having a constitution on christian basis. i criticizing gods for putting national interest too much forward. so, i mean we, we think about the role in these terms totally differently. and i don't say it's a problem because i mean, we are different, we can think differently. my only problem in this regard is that there is no mutual respect because respect the decision of the american citizens, the respect the way they want to go forward in the future respect whom the elected as a president. but this kind of respect is not being shown to hunger. there are many lies, faith news and insults out there about the hungary, about the prime minister himself, who personally fought for for freedom. you know,

while minister, let's take a very short break right now. but we will be back in just a few 2nd. stay tuned for me . i ah.

with a welcome back to his appointment, hungry minister of foreign affairs and trade. here though, minister before the break, we were talking about these efforts to make hungry feel excluded from polite society. but i've noticed over the last couple of months that budapest has become a meeting place for europe as a whole. and as shown as a whole because when my russian and let's say british france one to meet somewhere

in europe in this ero corrine's in inconveniences. buddha as happens to be that sweet spot where geography and regulation come together in a convenient manner. is that a coincidence? or i, you, indeed trying to raise the profile of your capital as a regulated and yet easily accessible crossroads between the east and west. we are a central european country, so we have always been in between west and east. and we try to utilize this position. they're saying that our purpose, yeah, of course, because you know, and this can be tracked in our foreign police show so that the foreign policy strategy that we always wanted east and west to have a pragmatic relationship, a continuous dialogue with each other. why? because our history has taught us that whenever there was conflict between east and west central european countries, among them longer, we have always lost. and we don't want to be losers anymore. so when we argue in

favor of dialogue, private deflation, she mutual respect, just whatever. it's not because it would be spies of the sort that, i mean, this is stupid. it's not empty retro to continue or india national interest. very, very simply and very few are not to not to speak about the fact that, you know, we were very successful on my phoenician. and since we were successful in vaccination, especially at the beginning of the campaign, we could the is the regulations, the restrictive regulations in hungary. we could get rid of the restrictions. basically, that's how we made the best and the country open for visitors travelers. when we made a lot of agreements and bilateral agreements with other countries, you know, to including refreshing, that i will have to ask you about. there is an agreement on mutual recognition of vaccination certificates between our 2 countries. and as far as i understand, we can guarantee you also have a pretty wide choice of max in say you yourself got the new vaccine of all others.

why do you think your european neighbors are not following suit? do you think there is a political rational there? and if so, what is actually being gained from, you know, the whole europe, recognizing that the, you know, we are in this fight together. so, you know, i really don't find the verse to describe how i feel about the fact that there are few, many countries considering the issues of vaccination as if it had a political or the, or ideological nature. you know, it's about the lives of the people and we knew in the lives of the people. what is it for them? 5 year old political mother of political and ideological debate. what do you think they're gaining from that? i don't know why they're losing the lives of people, really, they're losing business. i can't imagine. i can't imagine. and i'm very frustrated about that. to be honest. and i tell you why your appeal, the regulation speaks very clearly about hallway vaccine,

can be approved on the $33.00 of the 2 ways. first, by the european madison agency, which is a normal, let's say, business of usual way of approving a vacuum. but the european or some other national european regulations says that in case of the state of emergency, this one, the national regulators, are allowed to approve of axioms also on a temporary basis. so before we started to use both spoofing casino far from china, the national regulator of ours has approved the use of both. which means that the use of scrutiny in hungary is being based on a european regulation. ok. and whenever i talk to western european colleagues on my western european colleagues of mine between for i, they always tell me that they know that the russian scientific performance can be spoken about in very highly. and they are one of the most effective vaccine and

the, and they are pretty sure that's why they told me that's why they are pretty sure this is working well. and i said it 1st the best of course it works well. hungary and experts have approve that. and regardless of the fact that privately, they all say that when it goes to public, they act totally different and doesn't it? if you look at it from another perspective, from the perspective of your national interest doesn't, doesn't give you an advantage. the longer they wave, the more you can gain, not only from your central position in europe, but also from i know that you have plans of actually producing your own territories . so you're actually gaining from the lack of action on the part of your europe and neighborhood. actually begin to last, especially at the beginning. because, you know, at the beginning, i mean, like 1st part of this year, the deliveries from, from western producers are quite sometimes late. they were cancelled even sometimes,

totally. or the volume was less compared to what was contracted. and then those times, the fact that the boast uniform and we need delivered on time to us additional volumes compared to others. that gave us a huge advantage. we could reopen the country and the national economy around 2 months earlier than the european average. now with this, by summary, our economy has reached the performance or level of performance of pre panoramic. although the whole, the global economy reached up only, but the end of next year. so it's one and a half years of, of advantage. so obviously it brought a lot of a lot of veterans not to speak about the fact that during the 1st half of this year because of the restrictive regulations, $30000000.00 euros was the loss of national economy on a daily basis. so if you could just bring, you know, the warranty, then the better for you, i mean, you know, so i don't understand to be, i don't know. now can i ask you a personal question and it is really a personal question. since your preferred whitney of all be i think it's

a actions that i approved for you 6. so why did you do that? c and whenever you meet with your, let's say indian or chinese colleagues, do they ever poke this choice of putting expensive, let's say, call the show. no, of course they never do. i have a very good contact with mr. long. you also the for mr. china, you never mention this issue, but why i'm sure it's a good role from your ment today was made aware that you made that even though it was not mobile to him but, but mr month was always a very good friend personally also and and mister rush as well, so we have rewarded all 3 of them because the 3 of them played a very important role in signing the contract and in delivering, according to the, according to the contract. you know, actually my, my decision, the reason for my decision was crystal clear that when i was a kid, i was vaccinated by iraq scenes produced in russia. i'm sorry,

a union and a life i find my father. why would i change quite that change? so that was the very simple reason of my decision. while i'm sure the russian officials would be very happy to hear that. now, contrary to initial expectations that looks like covert $900.00 here to say, and perhaps it will exert a much bigger tell them societies even then initially expected. and i think to some extent, that pulled all of us in wars and backward to understand that death is here, we are all more told. and what matters in this life are concrete rather than abstract things. family, your kids, your house, your neighborhood, your country, be social fabric that you're integrated into. and you know, the, those are the things that how many people pull through this very difficult experience. and those happen to be the values that your government champions and was criticized for for many years. do you feel vindicated by,

by depend damage to some extent? i thought that the panoramic would have one positive impact. and that would have been the understanding by the countries of the road about the very strong interdependence we are living in. and i hoped for conflict to be left behind. and i hope for countries understanding that we need to cooperate in such issues like saving the lives of the people. but unfortunately, i have to be disappointed because this is, this is not the case. no common joint actions on the scientific side on the vaccine side have, have taken place. although i have to tell you that i had some hope last year when the, when we were lining up in china to buy a masks, ventilators, gloves, protective shoots for the, for the doctors. with all those countries of the west work sizing china before like hell. and i for that's okay, that might change their position. they might feel the same, but at least you know,

the relationship will be more balance or more risk by me. but unfortunately, unfortunately didn't happen. now let me switch gears quickly because we only have a few minutes left. so as long as you've been a minister, you've stressed national security interest as a basis of your policy. and i wonder if your definition of what constitutes hungry, national security interest has changed over the last couple of years. because you mentioned that, you know, there was a lot of preaching about unity and joint action and call the 1900 demonstrated that the, you know, when push comes to shove, everybody, you know, puts their own business 1st. yeah. has it changed the way you think the world works? actually, when it comes to our national security interest, i think that the pandemic has shown it very clearly. that if you, as a country regardless of size location, whatever. if you, as a country are not in disposal of strategic capacities, capabilities,

assets, then you'll become extremely defenceless. which means that you need to have capacities, which under piece will circumstances seem to be totally selfless, especially from financial perspective. but when it comes to crisis, those are decisive from the perspective of even saving life. we have established our own capacities of, of the, of manufacturing ventilators, globs protective suits. madison's vaccine we are working on the construction is going on regarding the, the vaccine factory board cargo airplane. so, you know, i'm, or this kind of effort some capacities have been created now a few months ago hungry with the true. it's contingent from the dentist on following the abrupt american visceral and i know that despite your firm stance and migration you do, you did take pains to evacuate all the guns more than 500 that africans i think that's land support to your mission. i wonder though,

if this prolong participation in those prolong nato lab missions is still within the definition of your national security interest as being members of nato. of course, we always take part in, in combination. that's another question. i mean, this is, i mean for there it is. what nato is really about. the decision to leave has been made very quickly. i have to tell you. and if you are honest to ourselves, and i think we should, that this 20 years of international emission ended up being a failure, obviously because we made plans, you know, how to contribute financially to maintaining the funding. national security depos forces to 2024. so even we hung areas have made pledges from our national budget $5000.00 for ear up to 2014. and then a couple days after, or even couple days before we left, that's going to sound the whole thing has collapsed. right? that's, that's what happens. so i am fortunate double the failure we have but you are still

committed to participating and there is missions going forward, bass that there's no member mission enough going to spend anymore. but that's what i thought. and i had a question for you on my part because you know their attention on the russian western or you border and there are various actual force projection going on between russia and western europe. right? russia and nita and when, if rather than when, but if those tensions are wrapped in a fully blown culture, do you think hungry will still be able to sit on the fence as you are very successfully doing right now? or will be circumstances force you to take side or to make a decision whether to fight against the russians or not. what number was we are members of nato and to bring some commitments and obligations which never be applied all your criticism off of course 2nd. but 2nd. and you cannot isolate all the russian how, when they did what you say that you cannot isolate, to think of

a 2nd, that we will do our best. always to avoid, to prevent any such a conflict between nato and the russia. because once again, we are living here in central europe. we know how it feels when there is a severe conflict between the russia, soviet union and the west. small country like hungary, a small but power passionate and free country has the capacity of influencing. i do think i do think that no one and it's my thinking ok, i do think that there is no one at least having a complete mind even in, in the western parts of europe, who would want such a conflict to be crated. so i think that everybody in the west now this would this iran will do his or her best to avoid such a conflict. i'm pretty sure about that while hopefully you're right. i was,

i also hope. well, anyway, it's been the great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. are one and thank you for watching hope this year again next week on all the part with. mm good and bad dream shapes bankers are those with

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