ah ah hello and welcome to cross doctor. all things are considered. i'm funeral about legacy media continue to prepare a western audiences for a military conflict and ukraine. another war of choice. also, the united states doesn't export much these days, maybe except for so called values, or those values attractive anymore. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest workers papadopoulos in london. he is a historian analyst,

an author of the book, arise, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics and in plymouth. we have 3 kennings and he's the editor in founder of the 21st century wire dock. hi gentlemen. crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it. i was going to marcus in london. i pride myself on this program to keeping a microscopic eye on what's going on in ukraine. because when you look at the, what i have to say is outright propaganda and western media about upcoming war in ukraine. of course, russia is deemed the aggressor, but they are, the audiences are being prepared for what the west wants to see happen when it comes to ukraine. i don't think nato wants to fight russia. i don't think the united states wants to fight russia, but they certainly are intrigued by the idea that ukraine may fight russia, which we all know what the result would be, and that is a planned result. go ahead, marcus. i most of you, that's the well, it is beginning to reach

a climax regarding ukraine because america's goes in of russia has served a purpose. specifically, buying washington have been proven to play increased naval. ready presence in the black sea, this has inevitably about a response from russia and that has provided americans with a pretext to increase, not only nato's a presence in the boat and in eastern europe. but it is also enabled the americans to increase their military and economic assistance to ukraine. so the americans and the british on now supplying ukraine with sophisticated weaponry. at the same time, the international monetary fund,

which of course is a weapon of washington and london, has agreed to release funds for ukraine. so we can see that a very dangerous picture is emerging and the americans and the british are now in a position to cement that fission in your crime. as you're saying, is that they're trying to provoke a response. this is the intention. yes, they are trying to promote a response, but i think primarily they are looking to enhance their position in your crime that carries a lot of risks. indeed, it is fruit with risks because it was, america does not and will not go to war with you. trey is, of course, a risk of an accidental war and for nato. ukraine is necessary

to and circling russia on its west, and ukraine is not necessary to the western military block security. however, ukraine is fine, so to russian national security and the circumstances compelling to russia, we'll go over your crime. and if that means going to war with america, if you try and it will do so, because as i said, ukraine is absolutely crucial to russian national security if the russians were sent in that night. so the gulf of mexico, you would see america take very, very clinical. ready response, it is no different for russia in the black sea with it, but it's very interesting, patrick it. ukraine is also necessary for nato because ukraine gives nato a reason to exist. ok, because they, they claim nato's a position is that it's

a defensive alliance. and then it projects stability. however, army ever more sophisticated weapons to kim is the stabilizing. it's the stabilizing to be the conflict that is going on inside of ukraine. we need to remind our viewers. this is an intra ukraine conflict that i believe the west russia to be involved in is always said this is an internal conflict. dom bass of course. but if the dumbass is attacked, which would basically be a form of ethnic cleansing, of the don bass rush is. this is a red line here. so again, adding all the elements for a possible military action is as we just heard, mark to say, if this could happen by accident, but i have a feeling lot of people in washington in london would love to see an accident. go ahead. yeah, absolutely. the other problem is ukraine's become a kind of dumping market for corporate welfare in the united states. that's really

what military aid is at the end of the day they're, they're dumping various products or discontinue products or whatever. and now we've got the issue of drones. and so, as the technology of military advances and you have the sort of the revolution in military affairs with drones, for instance, this is kind of problematic because of the proximity between russia and the ukraine being next door neighbor. so it does increase the chances of all sorts of problems, new problems that are emerging, that sometimes take years to get ironed out with the introduction of new technology . turkey has also been supplying them with arms and drones. actually the 1st drones i think, supplied to the crater from turkey, not us, but that that day might not be too far off. peter, when the u. s. is sending reaper drones or other, you avi's advance u a b s. the problem is ukraine's in the cycle of dependency. so the u. s. and the

west have captured them politically. they've captured them. and now economically, in the cycle of a dependency, and it comes in various forms, ok, and once you get in that cycle, you become a kind of you become colonized by the west. i mean, next thing will be if there's a significant intelligence presence or listening stations based in the ukraine, then it control over the cranes. political bodies becomes a kind of a foreign affair. australia had fallen into that trap years ago during the cold war . that's one example. many countries actually fell into that trap during the cold war period, and they're still in that cycle all these years later. so, i mean, i see this is a kind of a colonization, a long term colonization of a. i agree with that kind of mental premise here, but it also can turn into a wag the dog situation as well because that dependency isn't now. now they're all

in so many different levels. all we need to do is just need the seal. the deal is love a few more, a few more drones. why with the dumbasses create an incident to me because you've already made a commitment, it's going to be very difficult to withdraw me. we already are how be a historical example of august 2008 a and saw percent ok? it's going to be and because if the u. s. doesn't now go stand by its commitments, then it will face a disgrace or military. so i'm the military. so i could be over very quickly, this is a political situation more than anything. and i'm sure that you credit the credit would like nothing more than to see them in the peace process realized. but a lot of interference continues to happen. constantly. every single turn by the us or by whatever leader it had installed for shank. and now they seem to have a tremendous amount of influence way over the current president zelinski. there is

not about going to the market. so the last couple of days, the lensky has been making claims very public claims. that there is a plan who against his government. here is this, this, another site got here or? or is he in trouble because he's lost his majority in the parliament. many of his a close associates have turned on him. a major opposition figures based being, being held under house arrest is attacked independent media. he's in trouble here, but i mean, is this crate. is this part of the site got here? a tension growing, or is he sending a message that was getting logged in saying, let's go ahead. nearly 8 years now. ukraine has been in the west sphere influence. so therefore, it follows that zalinski came to power as a result of his masters in washington, london, brussels having decided that he was the person they wanted to be in power in care

of them for he is part and parcel over provided a pretext for ukraine to be eventually brought in tonight, so for you, for nato to increase its presence in the, in eastern europe and also in the black sea region. that is why the landscape is making these completely off. and actually, unsubstantiated claims if he has evidence that a foreign government is planning a country and go to the united nations and present your findings there. that is why the united nations or that is one of the reasons why the united nations was established in the 1st place. but of course, there is no evidence to suggest about moscow or any other foreign governments in the world is attention. a reason he made the allegation is to give

a pretext to keep on building up its presence on the russian. yeah, but the irony is here, patrick is that there was a 14 by foreign governments against the duly elected president at the time. i mean, it's really quite rich, you're talking about a foreign middling in your domestic politics when he is the result of it. i can't imagine where they're getting their intelligence from. i can't imagine. so he's privy to the special briefings and u. s. intelligence will probably have plenty of files and dossiers to open up on the desk of president zalinski to show him how under threat he is from, from moscow, it's not in moscow's interest to be over throwing government, especially in the ukraine and doing it in a sort of public view, but this, this narrative plays over so well and constantly in the west. so this is a very much a battle of narratives. and i might add that this is

a very complex situation. is not only do you have eastern ukraine, but you also have the issue of crimea and they're always keeping that on the burner in washington as a sort of retail retaliation. pretext and europe's kind of almost gotten past crimea by now. but washington will just keep dangling it around like they do with cuba, for instance, constantly and forever. but the reality that the reality there is, they'll never contextualize what happened with crimea in any historical context. and they won't call out the actual how things actually unfolded. there, when that process happened in 2014, so you know, anybody out with, before we go to the break here. i mean, it's really interesting. is it, or, i mean, is it an army? and here, i mean this, i mean, it's very low cost for the us, but it's very important to russia because it's border security and the security of

its sovereignty doesn't quite cynical game. and ukraine almost had nothing to do with that per say. 15 seconds back regarding yeah, and only that, you know, this, you're constantly champing in the west oh, blasts and independence movements and f know, independence and so forth. and this is a perfect example. crimea of something that normally they would get behind in any other part of the world. but in this case, because of the no political implications, they won't only only friends get self determination. that's what we learn here. i gentlemen, we are going to go to a short break out to lunch or break. we'll continue our discussion on, on some real news, stay with ah, with

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welcome back to cross top where all things are considered. i'm funeral a bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah ok. let's go back to patrick. patrick lee, the the us with the by the administration is sponsoring a democracy conference on december 10th and 11th. it's all going to be virtual. i think 110 countries have been invited. we can look at the, the list. ok, and there's some interesting admissions and then there's some interesting additions which one good question and it puts the entire idea of democracy into doubt in the 1st place. however, this is an interesting cudgel here. i mean, it seems to me that the washington, the washington consensus is very,

very nervous. it needs to convince itself that no beating the world in terms of democracy is if that is what is driving the world through this whole narrative of democracy versus a talk or see, falls apart like a house of cards. it's laughable in the 21st century. go ahead. yeah, it's, it's, it's the sort of contracts are just endless and i, i thought that they would die off at some point in the past, but no, they're going to expand the sort of thing. and it's even more laughable. the fact that these are all being done remotely by zoom, for instance. so they're just kind of these digital. com, fams, ultimately very meaningless in terms of what's going on on the ground, but in terms of showing the public what direction. this sort of the social agenda is being steered towards then in that case it is kind of significant. it is important. and so this idea of social justice, this idea of this,

this sort of cultural agenda is very much baked into the un sustainability goals. and all of these countries have bought into those talking points and those objectives. and so, and the world economic form as well. all these things, social justice, the, you know, trans agenda and inclusion and equity. and all of these things are baked in to the world economic forums literature and what they're promoting, and also the un sustainable development goals. so it's not something that's just a feature or an ornament. no, it is a central part of what's driving this agenda. so i think whether it's through climate change and you see this at the g 7 as well, everything is gearing towards that. so they're trying to inject this on a globalized social agenda. and you can read this as a direct attack on new traditional family structure to religious institutions and all of the sort of traditional features that have created modern

nation states that have brought society and the world to this point in history. this is in the process of being undone, and i think through, through all these comp, i think, i think another thing that's being undone, go back to market in london here, is that this is a replacement for what we understand and international law and replacement of the united nations and in the founding charter, this is, we've seen this repeatedly, this is actually not a new idea. john mccain the late john mccain wanted to have a league of democracies. it is. and basically in the washington consensus of preceding international law in the united nations. and we see this continuing right here. and patrick wrote up a very, very good point is that this is all, it has actually very little to do with democracy. i mean what, there's 500 people being held in washington jails because of the riot on january 6

. what about their rights? ok it's, it's a bit rich to be talking about human rights when we have a situation like that. but what it is is that, again, it's, is the washington consensus with its meal liberal ideology trying to replace institutions because those institutions are just inconvenient for them go ahead in line. so the society changes the diabolical society. so changes occur in america for washington to keep home preaching, to the rest of the world about democracy, amounts to simply inversion, because through his physical ailments, i believe that joe biden epitomizes symbolizes how america is the sick man of the world. because there was a time when americans in the context of at home could claim morality. they could claim democracy, but those days are long gone. because firstly,

there is very little freedom of speech left in america today as a result of mere liberalism, which manifests itself today for work. and of course we're very much includes b, l, m. there is very little freedom of speech in the workplace and america, in schools, in colleges and universities. and also in schools. we hear how near a champion tolerance and the champion diversity. they are some of the most intolerant people you will come across. these people love diversity. if you do not, if you do not support their values and i use the word values in a very loose way, then they will demonstrate to you and to everyone else look in on just how hateful just how violent just how poisonous they are. but secondly, in my opinion,

with something else which is emerged in america and has also the most in britain and which is worse than the deterioration of freedom of speech in america, is the emerge of the most wicked, the most abhorrence, full of sexual depravity. and that is he the fires. ready rebranding themselves in american society. why normalize the failure? so i am referring to a term which has arisen cold, minor attracted persons that is a france for pe, the failure minor attracted persons has a presence, in fact is pervasive on social major that have been numerous investigations which have exposed joe biden. to write,

to refer to our co written house as a white supremacist, but he has not full right to intervene and to obsolete condemn the emergence of minor attracted persons. that is why i say that america is a sick man of the world and to bind it for his physical ailments. symbolize this last, you know, it's interesting, patrick, this a going back to the democracy. confound, that's coming up. mean a country like hungry, which is a member of the european union and under european union, by laws you, you cannot be anything by the democracy to be part of the european union. it is a member of the united nations, but it is being punished. it's not invited there because the washington consensus and its ideology, i abhor what the democratic wishes of the people in hungary support. ok.

you can like prime minister about or not, but i mean, he was put there by his the people that voted ok again. this is a very pernicious way of understanding democracy in and it has a whole lot to do about the values that we're talking about in this, from the lack of values. okay. i mean, it's either our way or the highway and i think that's already been sent on by both of you in this program. go ahead. patrick. a probably the issue in terms are hungry . the issue is drawn the are of, of europe in the west is, is the issue of immigration and non greece or bon stands towards that, which, which isn't a lot different actually if you look at it from a lot of other european countries. but he's kind of been singled out and also i think because he's more concerned, more conservative. he's champion family values, he's champing hungarian sovereignty independence, culture and so forth, traditional culture. and so this goes absolutely against the trend that western

europe is heading very aggressively towards that the united states is heading a very aggressively towards. and if you look at this, i think the big advocates for things like open borders and things like the sort of the general depravity of culture and the restoration of traditional families and values. court of trends. national corporate cartels are some of the biggest beneficiaries of each and every one of these. so you'll see they're also very much on the woke left as well. so because for their bottom line that you know, children are a massive economic pool for them to draw from now, a massive consumer group that wasn't there before. and in terms of, you know, cheap labor coming in or d, stabilizing traditional family values. these are all group things that benefit in the short term anyway, did the corporate agenda and the profit bottom lines of many of these companies. so

you'll find them backing these candidates who are pushing all of this, this agenda, and you'll find them generally, you know, running these ad campaigns and marketing with social justice ad campaigns. i have nothing to do really with selling the actual product, but everything to do in call catering, this generation was whatever that sort of idealized or seem to be ideal or social justice messages. they are selling an attitude in a bad attitude at that, i would say, marcus, it's also interesting that countries that were not invited to the con, obviously china and russia are not invited. again, this is a form of some kind of new cultural cold war. and these countries are not, i'm invited to a company here, but it, it goes in line. and all this have been saying here is that, you know, the particularly russian russians, a conservative country to proud conservative country. and it's something in the people in the washington consensus, or any other choice, no option,

there's only one option. it's our option. and if you're not part of it, then you will be silent, you will be disappear, you will be canceled here again, this is a very much of a cultural cudgel. go ahead. marcus in london, absolutely. new liberals in america and in britain and in other parts of the west have appropriated was and terms and have deliberately the store to them in order to fit into their agenda. so today in 2021, social justice has lost its meaning. a quality has lost its proper meaning. diversity has lost its meaning. tolerance has lost, its meaning. these words and terms have been politicized, and they are being used as weapons. and i should that since weapons to silence people in america and in britain who opposed near liberalism, who is work,

who spieler, but also a purpose in a g, a strategic way. and that is, russia is again, a great power. russia is the only country that can limits american global. ready immobile and as you say in controlled times and societal terms, russia is a very conservative country. it was, it was a conservative country. of course, under the sauce, it was a conservative country under the bolsheviks. on modern day, russia continues to be a conservative country. it holds its cultural and spiritual values, and that is what provoked, such is staying in washington and london. it was against russia. it's a, it's a breath against the consensus. i want to thank my guest in london and employment and want to thank everyone for watching us here. are the see you next time. remember? oh,

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