advisory committee on coven 19 vaccines. thank you so much. a professor issue for coming on we're hearing here. if scottish cases that preceded the announcement from south africa let alone cases without any known travel in london. we don't want to be speculating on where the code is going to follow the usual virus part of more transmission less less illness. but what is the situation there? is that basically it high transmission less mild disease? yeah, i think i have to appreciate everything you're going to say is that it's early days . you know, you're busy studying this. first of all, this is a brand new bars. and i said, brand new, it's unrelated to any of the previous or variances are completely different evolutionary tree. it's not a, an offshoot to one of the previous periods. that's one thing. the other thing is got a large number of mutants regions active. and so in there we've never seen before. so even in the critical spike protein, that's a protein that the bars needs to establish and fiction their over 30 mutations and

some brand new. we know we never seen before. some of these mutations do govern things like draws visibility, or was infectiousness, as well as vaccine a scope. in other words, that the individuals who are vaccinated may still get the infection that's at the molecular level in terms of the clinical level, in terms observational level. this still is early days. we're getting some kind of in clean, but i must suppress this an inkling rather than data driven, that it is more transmissible because it's a spread very rapidly, 3 high reproductive number about 2.32.5. and also reaching a large number of cases can't give you a quantitative thing because it is developing the old charm of individuals that are the 40, the action items that are picked up in fiction. but fortune. these have been mild cases in terms of our house is little guy is a mile mile cases. i want to get the vaccination in a 2nd. why we heard from catan province from the national institute of communicable

diseases. the hospitalisation has gone up hundreds of percent, 330 percent in the in days after i'm not sure, you know, that's changing all the time. but we say mild and yet hospitalisation as increase and of course w h o is warned against the use of the word mild. yeah. now i'm living, qualify mild of those that have had a breakthrough that have been vaccinated, and it has been about a side bell. you're right about a doubling of hospital admissions in the counting province. not nationally been that will be all and she has been in the starting province, but still pretty kind of low year, i think would have to mind about $700.00 admissions as a guys. well, when we in there weighs about 7000 or more. so it's still really low, and the great majority of those having unvaccinated or any partially vaccinated. so our relation, we do know that correlation of our yeah, iraq to vaccine predicts against severe disease more than,

than fiction. but how the army crowns go new expressed itself. i think that we still need to wait to store too early. you know, you only have this of ours. what about a week or 10 days? so we only accumulating data now. well, let's just talk about incentives since we can't really took, but it just isn't. we're going to wait another week maybe for the lab results. can all developing nations, do you think now expect to be hit by de facto travel? boycott economic warfare. if they identify a variant, if they're in the global south, i mean, no human incentives here. as regards, this is a problem, you know, we, we'd like to think that science is transparent, that tries to open up things and everybody's interest science to be immediately transparent. but it now seems to carry with it a bit of baggage. you know, if one immediately and makes an announcement lock so that we could do them as just to be a scientifically pure if you get pin loss and that if you will,

a disincentive to announce earlier. that's very, very unfortunate. because the earlier one gets a handle when understands what's going on, the better one can respond and science needs to be transparent. so this is very counterproductive. shouldn't have been done. there was no need for their travel bed . that's not scientific, not fashion evidence. it's actually punitive and as i said, it's a disincentive which can be a distance to come forward with scientific gesture. but you would still advise your counterparts across the global south hit hugely economically by the pandemic with excess deaths not only due to coverage, but due to the economic consequences of it. you'd still say to them, please do publish data. please do tell the w h o things very and even though it may risk the health of your populations because of the economic damage. thank goodness, i'm not a politician. you know, i'm a scientist and a scientist, a medical scientist. it's an everybody global interest in our tried to kind of

encourage, even in as a government major publication, but they might be a bit more reluctance. now i don't know. well, it's clear that the vaccination so far on the data seems to be better. the no, no vaccination you have you have the vaccination is 129 percent one dose. was it 25 percent? it's like the around 30 percent vaccination. we have 69 percent in britain. keep it a show that co axis failed if you're so low and as regards hesitancy, what is, what is it about the white community? since it's white than particularly disproportionately hesitant, they don't want to take the vaccine. 75 percent of black, only 52 percent of whites. what is about white people in south africa? the don't want to take the vaccine. let me correct 2 things. visual, i've actually courage a lot higher than 25 percent. it's about $44.00. we thought the since having

a single does, maybe a complete complete vaccination, maybe in the late 30 percent. but i agree with you certainly is low in terms of the racial breakdown of his and see out query those figures. i'm not sure i haven't heard those figures. the ones you quoted now, i was clear it, i think the actually it see is a universal problem in south africa as is world wide. but certainly we are. we do have a lot of it because we got ample vaccine stores at the moment, but unfortunately not being taken up in the story. that is the university of janice work figures. yeah, i wonder where they go. okay, well as to got as we got supply, i mean, you must have heard about that in nature. they cited new york times piece about our vaccines that were supposed to be partnered with the durbin company, johnson and johnson who ended up present to europe. and joe biden is talking about our vaccines are being sent away from south africa. what? because you don't have refrigerators?

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not true. no, no. these alters all checked temperature storage. this ordinary temperature stores . there's adequate, these are this adequate temperature service storage facility. that's not a problem. it was a contractual problem. by the way, it was, it's actually called her back. and now it used to be called for those of a not durban. there's a factory which is doing the film and finish, not the production just to finish the ambulance, and they were under contractual obligation to supply the parent company. i think that was the problem. and i agree with you certainly was a certain he was a what's the word for is unusual to say to make it move and milder for to be full, didn't finish setting and then be shipped out when we were in order to just made about that contractual obligation, but why, why that was a durbin case. i think the case your when you're referring to is different. i know these companies are saying no, this is, this is a try not to do that kind of thing. the w h o chief scientist, to me,

i saw me. nathan obviously says that innovating pharma companies should put their intellectual property rights in the medicine paper and pulled back by the united nations. is there just too much money to be made by big pharma, from these vaccines and the center from ox, firm biotech. a $1000.00. a profit made every 2nd from coven vaccine? yeah. well, that's the problem. you know, dr. richard rich, rushing article earlier. it should. now the vaccine should not be treated as a commercial commodity because you get, we get into these kind of difficulties. i know there's a problem cuz you do need your funds to do the research to produce the vaccines. and that usually does come from former routing needs to be some kind of make university funding as well. i should just said the other public. well maybe to some extent, but i think for marianne ok also manager organizations as well, which was due for breaking the bottom line. i think the important thing is that i think vaccine should not really be a commercial commodity. i know it might be idealistic, it might be dreams,

but i think there must be some mechanism by which one can regulate vaccine supplier search equitably. because at the moment the problem is the universe. it's not just, it's not actual stickers, not too many tyria. it's a real problem because if africa is very much and of x and i, which is at the moment, that's where you're going to get your variance variance you're going to come from. there's really important vars going to come from variance mean more profits by the way, obviously because you can then manufacture a new one. but anyway, these, the seo pfizer albert, who manufacture the one i've got maybe the one inside you said this intellectual property debate. the problem is scarcity of highly specialized materials needed to produce the vaccine, which is why i p waivers cannot be granted to see poor countries. me disrupt the flow of raw materials, $280.00 ingredients from $1000.00 countries in each phase of vaccine. now the problem is, you, people in south africa, you disrupt the supply chain if,

if you could manufacture it willy nilly in south africa. and by that, no, unfortunately, look, i'm not in that facility. i'm not, i'm not a commercial, not a production person. i but you know, the already, i'm in the all the, these at the moment, developing local manufacturing capability, a color joint ventures certainly can be done and should be done. it will be done. and i think, but i think the actual distribution, i think that needs to be it has to be controlled because it's important for everybody. so coming quite apart from that controversy over, i'm f loan repayment center, 4300000000 has been given. i don't know whether that's contingent on privatization of your health care industry. what did you make of the fact that g 7, the richest countries in the world? they said they gave strong support to set up an international pathogen surveillance

system within a w h o framework support for it. what do you think about the urgency being given to these systems now that we've had covered for some years now? and as i said, the incentives seem to be, don't report to the w h o l because you're going to suffer economically. and the more variance, the more money for the big pharma companies. i think the one to reverse those 2 things. what you just did now, i think we do need good surveillance, but i think there must be punitive consequences. primarily notification. i think this to be manufacturing and distribution and for land finish facilities in the developing world. i think that's really that, that that's, that's not just a dream that's, that's a practicality. i think when i think cobra is gonna teach us the lesson that we need to be more critical and stop hoarding vaccine to which the drilling world drift world, sorry, the developed world is doing just very, very quickly. why is it in the countries with highest vaccination rates,

they seem to have the highest number of cases and that's per capita. is that just surveillance? no, i don't. the district jeopardize certainly, cases per capita. because i think that the point is that the drill, drill left countries, i think lifted their restriction to soon, i think there was too much economic pressure to lift those restrictions. and you look the restrictions. vaccines can do a lot, but they can't do everything. we still need to the way we understand this wires and the transmission of this was we do need to supplement what vaccines are doing with those public health measures that infection prevention mission. we can't can't get away with at the moment. maybe in a year's time, maybe in tears time we can certainly not at the moment of asher. thank you. thanks after the break heaven on earth or spiritual battlefield, we examine the political impact of speaking in tongues from ball to narrow and brazilian to trump in washington dc. all the people coming up about to have going

on the ground with this in their interest for some financial pundents to see the value of the currency lose value because they can gain traction on social media saying it's somehow a good thing, but not everybody is an undertaker, not everyone is a grave robber. you know, some people are actually out there trying to be productive and lead productive lives. and of course, that philosophy of, oh, the currency has gone to 0 and less than 0. and that's a good thing is a is the is the, is the mad lunacy o service delivers a $155000000000.00 pieces of mail every year. approximately 40 percent of the world's mail right now. the us postal service is in a fight of its life. to survey the disruption bad financial shape. now facing

default, the postal service is a cash cow. and there was a way to pull money out of the postal service to put in the federal budget. there was a mandate that you're bringing $100000.00, new revenue every month. the nature of privatization in the us postal service is very much hidden from public view. it's privatization from the inside out. that's a big business in money. it's not about the public and given them a service that they deserve. it's not about quality train workers, it's about the money. mm. welcome back. 52 years ago today, civil rights activists, fred hampton, was wounded by the f. b. i under its co until pro program, as a marxist lennon,

his hampton was fully aware mugs calling religion the opium of the people. but marks also called religion the side of the oppressed. that couldn't be true than in a new book beyond belief. how pentecostal christianity is taking over the world? it was a l. haughty joins me now. l thank so much for coming on and what a book, i mean obviously by sunset today, what on average 35000 people will have converted do it. so they'll think it's a stupid question, but what is pentecostalism? shall i say it's, it's a branch of evangelical christianity. i call it bullock born again plus so fast you, you accept jesus as your lord and savior and then you feel with the holy spirit say so that gives the it brings the new things like healing miracles and most notably, speaking in tongues originally at that the ability to go to foreign lands and convert people. now it's seen as much more of a, a spiritual language, a unique thing that you can have with god or a unique expression of your faith. and i'll get his divide group political repercussions of all of our,

but she just quickly saves. and everyone has the pandemic on their mind because of all mcgraw on you do say in the book and i know you researched during the been debbie that the pandemic is aided her the conversion of more and more people to go to coastal. yeah, but we're certainly thing happening in, in a few different ways so. so 1st of all, people who particularly in the global south have a very spiritual conception of the wealth. this wasn't a disease, it is dark forces and you need to double down your faith to, to get rid of them. so we've seen the tanzanian president, i was very influenced by pentecostalism die from this. he denied that it was happening, that it was just spiritual things going on in the world, and he eventually succumb to it. we've also seen some, some more interesting things happening that within us or in the pandemic, that it sort of accelerated certain trends that were going on. so just like a lot of mom and pop stores have shots in all parts of the world, because the only thing that could really say open and compete in during the

pandemic were you know, your big box if markets and things like that. we're seeing that with, with a lot of churches as well. so a lot of small churches were before the close in the world and they just didn't have the infrastructure. they're like a hill song on and like a lot of the other big churches who could already broadcast the line. so it, so they're getting huge amounts of new followers who still wanted that sunday morning experience, but weren't able to get it from their local church. but was it included so increasing now you say in the book with where it's always been able to sell itself . i mean, the, the, the line up here was presley johnny cash we became little richard says to rosetta, thought we were going, watch that video on you to reverse magister music very aligned to the public relations side of it, even more. so the method is perhaps, yeah, much more say pentagon as have always been really goods and this is a big part of their success in, in the modern world. is saying that you can have a good life now as well as in the ever after. it doesn't have to be on fire and brimstone, you can feel good as well as feel god. so it's when you,

when he was tend to think of an old school evangelical in america, they're thinking of a hell fire preacher playing with rattlesnakes. and, and yelling about abortion from the pulpit in the deep south of america. but, but the modern pentecostal and is, is a, is a young, upwardly mobile woman in, in latin america, africa. and she's concerned about her community, her family, she's interested in social justice. she's probably fairly socially conservative. but for her, the church is, is about seeing values in the here. now it's about improving your life and improving the lives of those around you and ultimately transforming society. and by social justice, you room would charity him for love really? because in the book you say, and i've got the, i've got matthew 1924 camel needle verse written where, but you say in the book was different about the prosperity gospel is the, is the exclusive idea that it's perfectly acceptable even desirable to give the church give to the church in order to get rich,

the program to cost moves. wealth is a sign of the strength of your faith. absolutely. so again, it comes to that, that idea that about living a good life and, and here now and, and pentecostals do say the world very spiritually. so it is, things are often a test survey. so whether it's covered, whether it's, it's getting enough food on the table, those sorts of things or are all saying with it within a, within a world view that, that is very spiritual, is higher that we're name a few. 1920, voids out of her richmond. and to have them go through the over needle pentagon, very famously, a very good at telling 2 stories at once. so it say you can be be concerned with, with making the world a better place. and you can also be concerned with, with, with making money for yourself, and that's quite fine. and again that, that is that the, the, sorry of the here now and ever after. i mean, there are other elements of strains of christianity and probably as low as well as the do this with capitalism. you say in the book neurosciences reveal the same

neural systems associated with drug taking or activated. when individuals of feeling the spirit. i mean that that is all clear back to marx or did you notice on your travels? yes, very much so and, and i'm not a person of faith myself, i'd say an agnostic um. but i've, i've been to hundreds of church services around the world over the last years. and pentecostals do a good church service. it is, it is uplifting their production values are really high. that the music is, is wonderful. and, and one of the things that really has power pentico says, and since the beginning is, is, is music is that ecstatic worship it is. it is experience. it is what you personally feel, not necessarily just what you're being told or what you're writing in the bible. it is the very central and very important to people and very understandable in the modern world where people might necessarily like what experts are telling them or to reading the book. but they just know that they go to this particular church or this particular pastor. and they feel good about it, and it's so very class based as well. and some people call the spiritual

colonialism. you use that term in the book of how it spreads all around the world adapting to different cultures, whether it be latin american road, southeast asia, or africa. very much sir. and a really interesting phenomenon we're actually saying at the moment is what's called her of us evangelism. so we thing, a lot of preachers come from africa and latin america and come to europe and america because they, they feel that they've lost their way. secular liberalism is the strang society. they usually point to gay marriages as a thing are that they don't like. and a lot of these pictures are coming to, to re evangelize the wes. ah, but, but obviously that there's other things going on and faith that started in america and i, 6 and spread out to the world has a lot of connotations. bet. unlike a lot of other christian strains of, of the faith it's, it's very localized, it looks and it sounds like the local culture. so for example, it's really taken off in the fellas in brazil traditionally that the catholic faith

in brazil. you've had a, a white preacher, educated in spain, a portugal can be dropped into your small village on the fringes of the amazon or, or, you know, in a feller and rio de janeiro ah, and bring faith to you in that very almost scholarly manner. whereas at pentecost greats preacher has bubbled up from below with you. he's probably the most charming guy in the village or the fella he is mixed race like you. he looks and sounds like you. he grew up playing football with you. he knows that your mother 2nd goes round and visits her. he starts church at 5 in the morning because he knows everyone's gotta be at work at the factory by 7 am. he will go around to the pardon, you know, tell, tell your idiot. husband said to get out of the pub and go home and look after his family and that again, is that the real here now the pentecostalism does really well and, and why it's so meaningful to pay. no, he says gone from 3 percent to 30 percent of brazil aloe to her

gangs. works in prisons help also dora, when you mentioned l g b g p plus roads. you are talking about social conservatism. but a good thing that america we knew about catholic liberation, theology allied with the, with the left. her, you talk about guatemala. i mean, this is where pentecostalism was. i mean, it's allied to deaths, quotes i like to washington early to pat robertson, the reagan era, death squads and controls. yeah. got got guatemala as a really interesting case study. it might even be the most pentecostal nation on her englanders in the grow as well in terms of percentages. but, but it, it really came through those 30 was in latin america in the seventy's and eighty's . and in guatemala that there might have been the world's 1st pentecostal leader in a friend rios mont, and he oversaw the bloodiest a 17 months of the civil war. that he heavily pentecostals the nation as well as an earthquake. natural disasters attend to breed pentecostalism. it gets, gets people thinking about the end of days and also about the material conditions.

so again, that they're here now as, as well as the ever after. ah, the, yet, it's been very closely associated with, with american rule in that part of the world. and, and we're seeing a pentecostal drug deal has in brazil or who are effectively militia leaders who happened to be religiously inclined. do they de facto burbridge genocide of native americans and indigenous peoples in london? word yes. say in my book i did go to latin america to add to guatemala, to investigate a murder of a ever traditional medicine healer. and he was murdered by the people in his village for practicing and preaching. this is natural, a medicine that's very rooted in mind. traditional beliefs and, and certainly what we're seeing very interestingly, in guatemala and some other places in the world is, is often indigenous lead people turning on their own former beliefs once they pentico slice. and and part of that is pentecostal. pentecostalism,

it is very understanding of how the modern world works. so they really understand its marketplace of ideas and a marketplace of beliefs. and there's a direct competitor in terms of traditional healing and traditional artifacts and things like that. unfortunately gets violent with ideas such as spiritual warfare and seeing everything in terms of, of good and evil, to do my, my, my jury people going to mosques one for the morning. and the pentecostal church mean? well traditionally that that was the way it's becoming less so now and so much say that there is one a is lam except in nigeria, that is sort of called born again, islam or charismatic islam site say that pentecostal eyes, because they were losing a lot of their flock and the yorba people around lagos and traditionally would into marry among faith. so you might have a, a christian father, animals. the mother said they might go to, to both churches,

gotta make great grandmas happier or however it is. go going to both church and mosque and, and over time they noticed that they were losing, you know, these kids on fridays and they, they were just going to church or sunday because it's giving them health and wealth and, and putting on a really good show. and, and, and giving them a lot more than, than traditional islam. so, so one particular sect is, is, is pentagon lising in its own way, although they certainly don't like, i don't like me saying that i says like the, i from will bank ever low to answer for, in terms of the, the conversion. i mean, they also preach the and times and they completely support israel. but do they civil israel and are anti brothers to new in the sense that on the day of judgment, all the jews will then be killed and only they will go to heaven and the jews will go to hell. is that their bazaar belief in israel and it's very interesting and it's difficult to to square. and so you know, a lot of historically

a lot of evangelical christians where we're fairly anti semitic until 3040 years ago. and now they are distinctly filer symmetric with a file is really up to the end times when jesus come. yeah, no one really likes getting into that. that part, but certainly the end times is a consideration for the pentagon, said macy of angelica, but pentecostals in particular, israel is, is hugely important then. it's also symbolizes a part of the strong political alliance that we're saying. and in many ways, i think that is the more immediate concern for supporting israel than the longer term end of days. just going out for the pro zionist parties are yes, so it's a tramp. all been boston are in brazil deterred a in philippines. they were all had very early pentecostal backing and certainly understood that there was this wing of supporters who would be quite rusted on if they looked after them. and i know when trump said that he was moving the embassy

to jerusalem, which was a big thing for pentecostals, he said, oh yeah, it's not really for me, this is, this is for is this for the christians, l. adi. thank you. that's over the show will be back on monday. 23 is to the day ago chavez was elected president of venezuela. sanction them by the usa. and you k, after chavez, arguably eradicated literacy and increased life expectancy until then he even touch via social media and let us know whether you think that state failure is responsible for the rise of radical religious thinking. ah, the warn drugs started as a way to combat a gray problem. what's the war on drugs? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time the fight against drugs took her to try and shake todd. he told us that andrew was

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