will be on jazz in accounting problems, but so pretty corner low here. i think credit to mind about 700 admissions as a guys, well, we in that way is about 7000 or more. so it's still really light. and the great majority of those have been unvaccinated or any partially vaccinated. so our relation, we do know that correlation about the yeah, iraq, the vaccine predicts against severe disease more than fiction. but how the army crohn's gun new expressed itself. i think that you still need to wait to store too early, you know, you only have this of ours. what about a week or 10 days? so we only accumulating data. now let's just talk about incentives. since we can't really took a day to get there just isn't we going to wait another week, maybe for the lab results. can all developing nations, do you think now expect to be hit by de facto travel? boy got economic warfare if they identify a very and if they're in the global south, i mean, no human incentives here as regards. this is a problem. you know,

we would like to think that science is transparent. choice i think is everybody's interest besides to be immediately transparent. but it now seems to carry with it a bit of baggage. you know, if one immediately makes an announcement lock so that we could do them as just to be a scientifically peer, if you get penalized. and that might be, will a distance into to announce earlier that very, very unfortunate. because anyone gets a handle when understands what's going on, the better one can respond and science needs to be transparent. so this is very counterproductive. shouldn't have been done. there is no need for their travel bed . that's not scientific notation evidence. it's actually punitive. and as i said, it's a disincentive, what can be a distance to, to come forward with scientific data, you would still advise your counterparts across the global south hit hugely, economically by a pandemic with excess deaths not only due to cohort,

but due to the economic consequences of cove, if you'd still say to them, please do publish data. please do tell the w h o things are variant even though it may risk the health of your populations because of the economic damage and goodness, i'm not a politician. you know, i'm a scientist and a scientist, a medical science. it's an everybody global interest in our tried to kind of encourage, even as a government immediate publication, but they might be a bit more reluctance. now i don't know. well, it's clear that the vaccination so far on the data seems to be better. the no, no vaccination you have you have the vaccination? is 129 percent one dose. was it 25 percent? it's like the around 30 percent vaccination. we have 69 percent here in britain, keep it a show that kovacs is failed if you're so low. and as

regards hesitancy, what is, what is it about the white community? since it's white that particularly disproportionately hesitant, they don't want to take the vaccine. 75 percent of blacks. only 52 percent of whites. one is about white people in south africa. don't want to take the vaccine. let me correct 2 things visual. i've actually courage a lot higher than 25 percent. it's about 4445 percent. having a single dose, maybe a complete, complete vaccination, maybe in the late 30 percent. but i agree with you are certainly is low in terms of the racial breakdown of his and c. o, which query those figures? i'm not sure. i haven't heard those figures. the ones you quoted now, i would queried, i think vaccine ever since she is a universal problem in south africa as is world wide. but certainly we are, we do have a lot of it because we got ample vaccine stores at the moment. but unfortunately, not being taken up in the story that is the university of johanna's work figures.

yeah, i wonder where they go. okay. well as to go as we've got supply, i mean, you must have heard about that in nature. they cited new york times piece about our vaccines that were supposed to be partnered with the durbin company, johnson and john to ended up per cent to europe. and joe biden is talking about our vaccines are being sent away from south africa one because you don't have refrigerators. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not true. no, no. these alters all temperature storage is ordinary temperature stores. there's adequate desire. there's adequate temperature service storage facility, that's not a problem. it was a contractual problem. by the way, it was, it's actually called her back. and now it used to be called for those of a not durbin. there's a factory which is during the fill in finish, not the production just to finish the ambulance, and they were under contractual obligation to supply the parent company. i think that was the problem and i agree with you certainly was a certain he was

a what's the word for us, unusual to start to make it move and milder for to be fully finished and staffing and then be shipped out when we were an order that just made about that contract. rubbish. oh wow. wow. that was a durbin case. i think if you're, when you're referring to is different. i know these companies are saying, no, this is, this is a, you know, we're going to try not to do that kind of thing. the w h o chief scientist, to me, i saw me. nathan obviously says that innovating pharma companies should put their intellectual property rights in the medicine paper and pulled back by the united nations. is there just too much money to be made by big pharma, from these vaccines and the center from ox, firm biotech. a $1000.00. a profit made every 2nd from coven vaccine? yeah. well, that's the problem. you know, dr. rich rich rushing article earlier with. now the vaccine should not be treated as a commercial commodity because you get, we get into these kind of difficulties. i know there's

a problem cuz you do need your funds to do the research to produce the vaccines. and that usually does come from former routing needs to be some kind of make university funding as well. i should just said the other public. well maybe to, to some extent. but i think for me and look also managing organizations as well, which was due for breaking the bottom line. i think the important thing is that i think vaccine should not really be a commercial commodity. i know it might be idealistic, it might be dreams, but i think there must be some mechanism by which one can regulate vaccine supply search equitably. because at the moment the problem is the universe. it's not just, it's not actual stickers, not too many tyria. it's a real problem because if africa is very much and of x and i, which is at the moment, that's where you're going to get your variance variance you're going to come from. there's really important var is going to come from variance mean more profits by the way, obviously because you can then manufacture near well. but anyway, these the seo pfizer albert,

who manufacture the one i've got maybe the one inside you said this intellectual property debate. the problem is scarcity of highly specialized materials needed to produce the vaccine, which is why i p waivers cannot be granted to see poor countries. me disrupt the flow of raw materials, $280.00 ingredients from $1000.00 countries in each phase of vaccine. now the problem is, you, people in south africa, you disrupt the supply chain if, if you could manufacture it willy nilly in south africa. how to imply that no, unfortunately look, i'm not in that facility. i'm not, i'm not a commercial, not a production person. i but you know, the already, i'm in the all the, these at the moment, developing local manufacturing capability, a color joint ventures certainly can be done and should be done. it will be done. and i think, but i think the actual distribution, i think that needs to be it has to be controlled because it's important for

everybody. so coming quite apart from that controversy over, i'm f loan repayment center, 4300000000 has been given. i don't know whether that's contingent on privatization of your health care industry. what did you make of the fact, the g 7, the richest countries in the world? they said they gave strong support to set up an international pathogen surveillance system within a w h o framework support for it. what do you think about the urgency being given to these systems now that we've had covered for some years now? and as i said, the incentives seem to be, don't report to the w h o l because you're going to suffer economically. and the more variance, the more money for the big pharma companies. i think we want to reverse those 2 things. what you just did now i think we do need to go surveillance, but i think there must be punitive consequences. formerly notification,

i think the needs to be manufacturing and distribution and for land finish facilities in the developing world. i think that's really that, that that's, that's not just a dream. this, that's a practicality. i think when i think cobra is gonna teach us to listen, that we need to be more critical and stop hoarding vaccine degrees. reach the developing world draft will sorry. the developed world is deep and just very, very quickly. why is it in the countries with highest vaccination rates? they seem to have the highest number of cases and that's for capital. is that just surveillance? no, i got a district capital certainly cases per capita. because i think that the point is that the developed relative to countries, i think lifted their restriction to soon i think there was too much economic pressure to lift those restrictions. and you look the restrictions, the actions can do a lot, but they can't do everything. we still need to the way we understand as far as and the transmission of this was we do need to supplement what vaccines are doing with

those public health measures. there's infection prevention mission. we can't, can't get away with that at the moment. maybe in a year's time, maybe in tucson, we can, but certainly not at the moment as a voucher. thank you. thanks after the break heaven on earth or spiritual battlefield, we examined the political impact of speaking in tongues from both to narrow and brazilian to trump in washington dc. all the civil coming up about 2 of going undergrad a mistake. they have to say that the stand, the criteria are in germany for many years has been compatibility with public opinion. those politicians pause as competent. we act in line with what people expect from them, but public opinion is produced or shaped by mass media. those are shaped by journalists, most german journalists are sympathizers of the social democratic and most the green, g a for as long as it goes huge green,

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. 7 big business in money, it's not about the public and given them the service that they deserve. it's not about quality train workers. it's about the mind. ah, welcome back. 52 years ago to day civil rights activists, fred hampton was murdered by the f. b. i under its co until pro program, as a marxist lennon, his hampton was fully aware mugs calling religion the opium of the people that marks also called religion the soviet pressed. that couldn't be true in a new book beyond belief. how pentecostal christianity is taking over the world to draw the l. hardy joins me now. l thank so much for coming on and what, what a book, i mean obviously by son said today, what, on average 35000 people will have converted do it. so they'll think it's a stupid question, but what is pentecostalism? shall i say it's, it's a branch of evangelical christianity. i call it bullock bon again. plus. so the 1st

year you accept jesus as your lord and savior. and then you feel with the holy spirit, say it so that gives the it, it brings the new things like healing miracles and most notably speaking in tongues . originally that was the ability to go to foreign lands and convert people. now it seen as much more of a as spiritual language, a unique thing that you can have with god or a unique expression of your faith. and i'll get his divide group political repercussions of all of that. i should just quickly saves. and everyone as the pandemic on their mind because of all mcgraw on you do say in the book and i know you researched it during the been debbie that the pandemic is aided her the conversion of more and more people to go to coastal. yeah, but we're certainly thing happening in, in a few different ways so. so 1st of all, people who particularly in the global south have a very spiritual conception of the wealth. this wasn't a disease, it is dark forces and you need to double down your faith to, to get rid of them. so we've seen the tanzanian president,

i'm very influenced by pentecostalism die from this. he denied that it was happening, that it was just spiritual things going on in the world, and he eventually succumb to it. we've also seen some, some more interesting things happening that we seen elsewhere in the pandemic that it sort of accelerate had certain trends that were going on. so just like a lot of mom and pop stores have shots in all parts of the world, because the only thing that could really say open and compete in during the pandemic were, you know, your big boxes, markets and things like that. we're seeing that with, with a lot of churches as well. so a lot of small churches were before the close in the world and they just didn't have the infrastructure. they're like a hill song on and like a lot of the other big churches who could already broadcast the line so, so they're getting huge amounts of new followers who still wanted that sunday morning experience that went over to get it from their local church. but was incur if so, increasing now you say in the book with where it's always been able to sell itself . i mean, the, the, the line appeal was presley johnny cash we became little richard says to rosetta,

thought we were going, watch that video on you to reverse register music very aligned to the public relations side of it even more. so the method is, but yeah, much more say pentico says have always been really goods and this is a big part of their success in, in the modern world is saying that you can have a good life now as well as in the ever after. it doesn't have to be on fire and brimstone, you can feel good as well as feel god. so it's when you, when he was tend to think of an old school evangelical in america, they're thinking of a hell fire preacher playing with rattlesnakes. and, and yelling about abortion from the pulpit in the deep south of america. but, but the modern pentecostal and is, is a, is a young, upwardly mobile woman in, in latin america, africa. and she's concerned about her community, her family, she's interested in social justice. she's probably fairly socially conservative. but for her, the church is, is about seeing values in the here. now it's about improving your life and

improving the lives of those around you and ultimately transforming society. and by social justice, you mean what charity him for love really? because in the book you say, and i've got the, i've got the matthew 1920 for camel needler verse, written where, but you said the book was different about the prosperity gospel is the is the exclusive idea that it's perfectly acceptable even desirable to give the church give to the church in order to get rich, the program to cost lives. wealth is a sign of the strength of your faith. absolutely. so again, it comes to that, that idea that about living a good life and, and here now and, and pentecostals do say the world very spiritually. so it is, things are often a test survey. so whether it's covered, whether it's, it's getting enough food on the table, those sorts of things or are all saying with it within a, within a world view that, that is very spiritual, is higher, where they may have few, 1920, voids out of her richmond. and to have them go through the over needle pentagon,

very famously, a very good at telling 2 stories at once. so it say you can be be concerned with, with making the world a better place. and you can also be concerned with, with, with making money for yourself, and that's quite fine. and again that, that is that, that the, sorry of the here now and ever after. i mean, there are other elements of strains of christianity and probably as low as well as the do this with capitalism. you say in the book neurosciences reveal the same neural systems associated with drug digging or activated. when individuals are feeling the spirit, i mean that, that, that is all 3 back to marks. did you notice on your travels? yes, very much so and, and i'm not a person of faith myself at that same agnostic and, but i've, i've been to hundreds of church services around the world over the last few years. and pentecostals do a good church. that has it is, it is uplifting their production values are really high that the music is, is wonderful. and, and one of the things that really has power pentico says,

and since the beginning is, is, is music is that ecstatic worship it is. it is experience. it is what you personally feel not necessarily just what you're being told or what you're writing in the bible. it is the very sensual, very important to people and very understandable in the modern world where, you know, people might necessarily like what experts telling them or to reading the book. but they just know that they go to this particular church, or this particular passa. and they feel good about it, and it's so very close based as well. and some people call the spiritual colonialism. you use that determine the book of how it spreads all around the world . adapting to different cultures, whether it be latin america, girls have used asia rule africa. very much sir. and a really interesting phenomenon. we're actually saying at the moment is what's called her of us evangelism. so we thing, a lot of preachers come from africa and latin america and come to europe and america because they, they feel that they've lost their way. secular liberalism is destroying society.

they usually point to gay marriages as the thing are, that they don't like. and a lot of these pictures are coming to, to re evangelize the wes ah, but, but obviously that there's other things going on and of faith that started in america 19 o. 6 and spread out to the world has a lot of connotations. but unlike a lot of other christian strains of, of the faith it's, it's very localized, it looks and it sounds like the local culture. so for example, it's really taken off in the fellas in brazil traditionally that the catholic faith in brazil. you've had a white preacher, educated in spain, and portugal can be dropped into your small village on the fringes of the amazon or, or you know, in a feller and re diginero. ah, and bring faith to you in that very almost scholarly manner. whereas at pentecost greats preacher has bubbled up from below with you. he's probably the most charming guy in the village or the fella he is mixed race like you. he looks and sounds like you. he grew up playing football with you. he knows that your mother sick and goes

round and visits her. he starts church at 5 in the morning because he knows everyones gotta be at work at the factory by 7 am. he will go around to the pub and you know, tell, tell your idiot, husband, to, to get but haven't, i haven't looked after his family and that again, is that the real here now the pentecostalism does really well and, and why it's so meaningful to p. ne says gone up from 3 percent to 30 percent of brazil, the allied to her gangs works in prisons help bolstered ira when you mentioned l g b, g q plus rights. you are talking about social conservatism with because in that america we knew about catholic liberation, theology allied with the, with the left. her, you talk about guatemala. i mean, this is where pentecostalism was. its allies to deaths, quartz hello to washington. hello to pat robertson, the reagan era. death squads and conjures yeah. got quite am aaliyah's a really interesting case study. it might even be the most pentecostal nation on

hurting holders in the grow as well. yeah. in terms of percentages, but but it, it really came through those 30 was in latin america in the seventy's and eighty's . and in guatemala that there might have been the world's 1st. a pentecostal leader in a friend rios monce and he oversaw the bloodiest and 17 months of the civil war there . and he heavily pentecost lies the nation as well as an earthquake. natural disasters at tend to breed pentecostalism. it gets, gets people thinking about the end of days and also about the material conditions. so again, that they're here now as, as well as the ever after. ah, the, yet, it's been very closely associated with, with american rule in that part of the world. and, and we're seeing a pentecostal drug deal has in brazil are who are effectively militia leaders who happen to be religiously inclined. do they de facto burbridge genocide of native americans and indigenous peoples in london? word yes. say in my book, i do go to latin america to add to guatemala,

to investigate a murder of a traditional medicine healer. and he was murdered by the people in his village for practicing and preaching. this is natural medicine that's very rooted in mind, traditional beliefs, ands and certainly what we're seeing very interestingly in guatemala and some other places in the world is, is often indigenous lead people turning on their own former beliefs once they pentico slice. and, and part of that is painted hustle, pentecostalism. it is very understanding of how the modern world works. so they really understand its marketplace of ideas and a marketplace of beliefs. and there's a direct competitor in terms of traditional healing and traditional artifacts and things like that. unfortunately gets violent with ideas such as spiritual warfare and, and seeing everything in terms of, of good and evil, to do my, my, my jury people going to mosques one for the morning. and the pentecostal church

mean? well traditionally that that was the way i it's becoming less so now and so much say that there is one a is lamb except in nigeria, that is is sort of called born again, islam or charismatic islam site said that pentecostal eyes, because they were losing a lot of their flock and a yorba people around lagos and traditionally would into marry among faith. so you might have a, a christian father, animals. the mother said they might go to her to both churches. gotta make better grandmas happier or however it is. go going to both church and mosque and, and over time they noticed that they were losing, you know, these kids on fridays and they, they were just going to church or sunday because it's giving them health and wealth and, and putting on a really good show. and, and, and giving them a lot more than, than traditional islam. so, so one particular sect is, is, is pentagon lising in its own way, although they certainly don't like, are they like me saying that? i says like the i am from will bank ever low to ones and for in terms of the,

the conversion. i mean they also preach the and times and they completely support israel. but do they civil israel and are anti brothers to new in the sense that on the day of judgment, all the jews will then be killed and only they will go to heaven and the jews will go to hell. is that their bazaar believe in israel and it's very interesting and it's difficult to to square. and so you know, a lot of historically a lot of evangelical christian, well were sally anti semitic until 3040 years ago. and now they are distinctly filer symmetric with their file is really up to the end times when jesus come. yeah, no one really likes getting into that part, but certainly the times is a consideration for the pentagon said most evangelicals. but pentecostals, in particular, israel is, is hugely important to them. it's also symbolizes a part of the strong political alliance that we're saying. and in many ways, i think that is the more immediate concern for supporting israel. then the longer

term end of day is just going out for the prose on this bodies or yes. so it's a tramp on bus. in our brazil deterred a and philippines. they were all had very early pentecostal backing and certainly understood that there was this wing of supporters who would be quite rusted on if they looked after them. and i know when trump said that he was moving the embassy to jerusalem, which was a big thing for pentecostals, he said, oh yeah, it's not really for me, this is, this is for is this for the christian l. adi. thank you. that's over the show will be back on monday, 23 years to the yoga travers was elected president of venezuela. sanction them by the usa and you pay off to traverse arguably eradicate literacy and increased life expectancy until then he would touch via social media. and let us know whether you think that state failure is responsible for the rise of radical religious thinking .

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