of some common ground ah, top headlines right now and auntie international crisis folks between joe biden and vladimir putin are scheduled for later on tuesday, ultimately triggered by tensions over ukraine. and here at odyssey, we speak exclusively to the russian presidential spoke to us. just to be connected to a previous which of the rhetoric coming from the u. s. and e. u leaders sounds pretty aggressive. we see plenty of fake news about russia allegedly planning an aggressive invasion. the pope condemns the so called inclusive language of e. you comparing it to that of the nazi regime is words common that a fallout over a controversial guidebook issued by the blog, which suggested not using terms referring to christmas to avoid offending non christian also in the program, china shrugs offered us employ quarterly winter olympics is pointing out that the

american diplomats won't even invited ah are to be, i'm on a very snowy tuesday here at moscow. i'm rural, re sushi were naughty international with a full program set to go. high stake talks between the russian and u. s. presidents are taking place later on tuesday. it's all a mid rampant speculation about a possible invasion of ukraine, and of course increase nato activity in the black sea. ahead of that color, joe biden basically set the tone by saying he will not accept any red lines yet. at the same time, the white house says is not looking for conflict. while in an exclusive interview with us here at auntie and the cabinet, a spokesperson told us, the u. s. is becoming increasingly aggressive towards moscow. museums toneta shows and you must. now we see that nato is taking an extremely aggressive position. we

see mister salt and bugs rhetoric, we see the different u. s. leaders, rhetoric burst. they all say they don't accept any red lines. second, they say that nato will do whatever it wants. 3rd, it will do it on whatever territory it wants. 4th of all of this is aim to deter russia. we do not like that. we will do everything to insure our own interests and lodge in vars. now linelle, a very important statement was made in the ukraine defense minister interview to u. k. media. he essentially caught the u. s. canada and the u. k. military to the front lines war and put out there to do that by, by passing nato veneer. so, can you tell us about the last quote, how much of a breach is that light of the red lines lie? to me, a putin had to find no animal. well, we have heard similar statements from a number of european capitals, including as far as i know, a message from the british military that they were ready to send their troops over . not only those in training,

but those in combat units as well. this is something we are obviously very concerned about. this is something we do not like, and it forces us to take some protective measures to defend our interests. while let's learn a little more about that. now, art is dan hawkins. joining us here in the studio today. good of the you today, dan. so on, the washington says it doesn't want any problems. but with the u. s. war ships cruising rushes or coastline in the black sea in all this inflammatory rhetoric about ukraine. washington says it doesn't, it doesn't want any conflict. but is that how it looks to russians all? think fun out her after today's meeting at skinner say a lot about her the the way current relations are of course the president severely met once before. and parson at the summit in geneva in june since then they've had phone calls, but this is their 2nd face to face meeting will be it online, of course. and really a relations have been at an all time low at best. that was, they've been getting even worse in a spiral of tip without expulsions and threats of sanctions. and we mentioned red lines only. that's the buzzword of the day because saw moscow,

as they very clearly said, the red lines are the deployment of certain weapon systems, missile troops in ukraine, as their body said, he's not concerned by that. washington will act as they see fit. and this comes against the backdrop of threats of new sanctions. of course, washington saying that will potentially target members over the russian government potentially targeting bloomberg, saying that should be targeting russian banks and their ability to convert roubles into foreign currency. and even targeting the russian direct investment fund, that's the russian southern wealth fund. now, since then, the head of the main bank, because back in russia government graph has said that that's nonsense, that can't possibly happen. nevertheless, the threat is still there, as is the threat of the so called nuclear option cutting off russia from the swift international banking payment system. not an up up. so put option put on the table in summer that wasn't discuss any further. now that is again, being talked about. and despite these metre accusations of the russian military build up the possibility of conflict. musk of course fuses for differently foreign

minister lava off today. said that in fact, this ukraine's position, which changes her almost on a daily basis, said the russian formula stuff. and he's lost, understand why the onus is on russia to stop whatever violations there are of the seas for not on ukraine. indeed, that's confirmed or supply the presidential spokesman with the depressed golf who dismiss a lot of washington was saying as hostile rhetoric, this is what you had to say. canadian, to which the rhetoric coming from the u. s. and e. u leaders sounds pretty aggressive. we see plenty of fake news about russia allegedly planning an aggressive invasion at the same time, no one talks, the key of non warns key of against even thinking of a military intervention in the done yet. and lou guns conflict and given the complicated background of us russian relations, it will be a difficult discussion for the leaders. the presidents obviously have the need to talk to each other, even in the most strained of moments when attitudes are not what i call rational or sober,

but emotionally magnified. so as the escalation get stronger every day than the precedence. you obviously bear the responsibility, feel the need to discuss the issues we spoke earlier. what we've a little bit about the difference for what washington is saying in the white house said in a briefing recently that they're not seeking conflict with russia yet they will threaten consequences for harmful actions on rushes, fought whatever, of course, that may mean. and european leaders have also shipped in nevada johnson u. k. prominence. the saying the u. k. will use all available economic and diplomatic tools to stop russian aggression. and the, the, you quote and defense winners is actually called on the u. k. canadian and us government to bring troops into ukraine, not just advisors or trainers, combat troops to determine the potential aggressive moves from moscow. and while politicians are busy wrapping up the rhetoric, the military chiefs that will have to potentially organize these operations are urging caution. in a case like this,

diplomacy has to lead. we've got to be very careful. you've always got to take potential adversary's seriously was have started because of potential miscalculations before throughout history. it's hard to say really what we can expect from this meeting, pest golf. as i said, just in the last few minutes, that effectively the messages don't get your hopes up. these talks of play are taking place at a very difficult time. and it's best to lot think too far ahead for fear or failure because that is likely here and some other very public figures have also expressed their opinions about just how things could go. and what the balance of power in these talks could be says what we got. this is not a match that should even be allowed. this is take the new england patriots playing your high school football team. that's what you have right now on trump is usually i'll spoken with self, but on a, on a serious note, both leaders here will be trying to assert the authority to push their worldview

and who is, who was, was wrong here. what exactly is at stake now? if the 2 lead is managed to find some sort of consensus, some sort of compromise, we could see the escalation here. if they fail, then again, we'll afraid well into that spiraling downward curve of sanctions count sections, expulsions, tit for tat threats. and that's really not want, anybody wants to cease, we'll find out around 6 p. m. oscar time. when the meeting takes place, what time of it? like it was said, don't get your hopes up on your hawkins. thank you. so pope frances has warned the e u that is in danger of bringing about its own downfall if it doesn't tone down its efforts to impose one way of thinking on all even compared its methods to the nazi regime or the pope was referring to a european commission drive to make official communications more inclusive. what does that mean? as trying to understand his aunty, charlotte difference k hope frances,

essentially condemning the european commission in likening it to the nazi regime. he also offered a warning saying that brussels shouldn't be moving on a path towards at this type of woke language. this is what the pontiff had to say in history many, many dictatorships of tried to do this kind of thing. think of napoleon, think of the nazi dictatorship, the communist one. it is something that throughout history hasn't worked well that document was cancelled last week after a firestorm of criticism with politicians across the block describing it is lacking common sense. now they also said that the commission was trying to cancel christmas . why? well. 6 1 of the guidelines within that document said that people shouldn't say christmas can be stressful. and there was the idea of saying you shouldn't ask people for their christian name. now this idea of inclusive language is something

that the commission president herself on de leon has in the past back and said she wants to move towards. but this document which contained many other examples like not greeting people as ladies and gentlemen, because that wasn't inclusive enough and saying you couldn't describe something as being man made because that would be sexist, was just a step too far. and as a result, the commission has had to make an embarrassing you tune and delete this document. now pope frances also talked about the idea of a document like this essentially weakening democracy. he said when national values are being sacrificed and this is something that was meant to unify europe as instead what it's done is sewn even deeper divisions. and the pope himself warned that something like this could cause the fall of the e u itself. brussels must be careful not to take the path of ideological

colonization, which could end up dividing countries and causing the european union to fail. well, although that document was canceled last week, what it does is it raises questions about the political set up of the commission itself. and i say that because the commission is supposed to don't the eyes cross the t's, make sure that any document that's published is exactly what it wants to be. so the doesn't to track the sort of criticism we've seen over this document. and i think would you verify that before publication, it really begs the question, is this the direction that the commission wants to move in a direction where we have a world without christmas? china has slammed us boycott of its winter olympics next year as a grave travesty. one designed to provoke and manipulate they wouldn't go us politicians keep a hyping up

a diplomatic boycott without even being invited to the games. this wishful thinking and pure grandstanding is aimed at political manipulation. it is a grave travesty of the spirit of the olympic charter, a blatant political provocation, and a serious affront to the 1400000000 chinese people. the stand off comes amid tense relations with washington. beijing is political land, economic co, competition are affecting ever more spheres. a u. s. athletes will still compete, however, they just won't be any american officials. the i o c says it respects biden's decision and stress. the importance of leaving athletics out of politics at the white house for its part sides concerns about alleged human rights violations in china. as the by new ministration will not send any diplomatic or official representation to the beijing 2022 winter olympics and paralympic games given the peer scenes ongoing, genocide and crimes against

a humanity and john and other human rights abuses, the athletes and team usa have our full support will be behind them 100 percent. as we cheered them on from home, we will not be contributing to the fanfare of the games. we got reaction from our shanghai based politics professor and from appropriate professor of history, i should say at the new mexico state university at they say the by the administration is trying to politicize the winter olympics. it's an unnecessary slide against paging. it looks like a reactionary attempt by a week president. well, you know, it does signal at the, by the ministration wants to politicize, the olympic, somewhat similar to what we saw between the us and the ussr during the cold war. now this will indicate the many by does not subscribe the life experience of peaceful, athletic competition. we should keep in mind, however, that it's not a total boycott as your lead and noted. american athletes can feel compete. furthermore, it's not as provocative as what we see from the u. s. with respect to ukraine

against russia, or taiwan against mainland china, or how the us stand or the proliferation of nuclear weapon to australia. the bigger question now is whether other countries will follow washington's lead and in post, similar boycotts, and how china will respond. it's always unfortunate when you know the olympics is, is politicized. but i do think that the trend in american and china relations, despite the brief moment of call that seem to be expressed in the, in the video conference between general secretary, she and president biden, that that seems to have passed. and we're back to a more overtly hostile attitude. it's interesting, of course, that american athletes will still be competing. american corporations that sponsor the olympics and broadcast out on television, of course don't want to lose out on their revenues. so i think that there's a very interesting dichotomy here between this attitude on the part of the

government and the broader position of, of the olympics. are nearly halfway through the program here on our tea, plenty more skilled coming clothing. the story that well we look at the increasing abuse by female prisoners in the us. you have to sure sales with self identifying trans women a story and many more. we're back in about one minute. ah. oh ah, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation for community. are you going the right way, or are you being that somewhere? direct? what is true? what is faith?

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become the latest european nation to impose mandatory vaccinations from march those of a 60 as a, as well as people in certain professions including health care workers in the police. they will all require a job. now, compulsory inoculation is being adopted by ever more block members. austria will be 1st planning to roll out the measure for all, but the medically exempt in february, a less strict regime will be seen in france, greece and italy with germany also expected to follow suit. earlier european commission, president or us all of underlay and urge to use states to consider mandatory jobs and come up with a common approach. however, not every nation is supporting her call. keeping vaccinations voluntary building trust and helping citizens make informed decisions has proved to be successful in reaching high vaccination rates in sweden, transparent and understandable information should allow each person to make their decision freely. i'm generally very skeptical about coercion. i think we can reach

an adequate vaccination rate by other means, nor would we reach 100 percent by force. there's no just political opposition. there's also shoot resistance on the streets of europe. protests sweeping, austria, belgium, germany and slovenia. and things got rather techy in brussels, with people holding rocks on police using chick gas and water can ah, meanwhile, europe is struggling with a record cobit 19 search with daily cases rising over 8 fold since june, that despite enormous rates of national vaccination, the well toto health organization still insists that inoculation is the only way to

and the pandemic. earlier my colleague unit r neal discussed the use vaccination campaign with a panel of guests. we've gone through 2 years of at least in this country. people saying one thing doing, doing the other than the next, we change in the rules and then when they opened up the parks in this country, for instance, that was the end of it. we're never going to be able to get back to the point where people need to make the tough decisions and allow employees to, to work from home without penalty or social ultra zation. we know that vaccines do a fantastic job for a very safe medicine. and that protecting the health care systems in these different countries. a little we're seeing potentially particularly central and eastern europe is a lack of trust that the government to think a lot of a lot of this is about bad. old paul messaging to out the pandemic on the fundamental breakdown in the trust that the population individuals have with the governments. people should have the choice as to what medical treatment they had. crystal, people were told that we still to have our 1st job, which we did and,

and now a 2nd job. and now where it will be encouraged to have a booster like, where is it gonna end? do we have to have these coven vaccination every 3 months? so how, where is it going no end and it just seems quite confusing because government say one thing and do another thing. they tell us do this and then they change their mind for us to do that. lauren, so you fearful where this leads? if mondrey vaccinations do become widespread, i can see that being a massive backlash to this, i think it is counter intuitive, you know, except that there's a degree of vaccine agency and i can understand it up to a point. and that's where i think with a message is important. i wonder if, you know vaccine possibles are all the ways of doing this to try and persuade people about the the about getting back. so they did, i just wonder whether mandating vaccination is just to start to fall. i think there's absolutely a financial motive behind a lot of this. i think some of the financial motive is that governments aren't willing to take some of the drastic for things such as locked down to restrictions

. i think in the u. k, you'll see something in january. if you look at universities, for instance, continuing to bring in students into areas and mandating, not that staff are vaccinated for instance, but that staff teach in areas that are crowded with students who are coughing, sometimes wearing masks. sometimes not a lot of this is because we're all living on economic bubbles that are just ready to burst. a lot of nurses, a little health care professionals. ready already leave it in the profession g to and you know, the problem is in the mental health issues and now you will and make an injection mandatory. i don't think it's saying i don't think it's right and i think is a lot to do with educating people and giving them the choice vaccine producers, including the turner, their warning that drugs their drugs might be less effective against, than you all may crohn very and if that proves truth does up to simply precious back to square one, i don't think so. i think it's likely that the current vaccines will have some impact, even if that protection drops a few percentage. that's

a big difference to the large population of infected individuals. and therefore we need to think other about other mitigations alongside oxidation. we also need to take into account the controversial police crime sentences and course fil, am given and we're living in a please stay already. this is quite wiring and now they talking about force. faxing is very marino, and i'd just ask myself, where is it gonna end to get over the last year and a half of governments that haven't been following their own rules and corporations that haven't been following the rules and making a profit off the backs. the people who have to pay a lot of money sometimes to get access to vaccines. there's an inequality. a women's rights organization is suing the u. s. state of california for allowing men into female prisons when they self identify as women and says women face a physical and psychological trauma. while the cries for help are apparently dismissed. asi saskia taylor spoke to the groups leader,

but 1st looks at one particular case of sex abuse in a women's jail. meet princess. so we andromeda love formerly known as hobby bang. i'm an ex inmate at the washington correction center for women and one of 3 transgender prisoners who transferred that this here. but why are we talking about this individual and not the thousands of others who've passed through the same doors? after being sentenced to prison, after being found guilty of having had sexual relations with the 12 year old girl bingham decided to identify as a woman and be called andromeda love. in this way, you want to be transferred to the correctional center for women in washington. once there, he was found by prison stuff along with his cell mate, an inmates with a developmental disability in a bed and without clothes for following this incident, prison all far tis determined that love had raped her vulnerable soul mate, who was already a victim of sexual assault even more troubling prison,

self allegedly didn't find a report. and there are fears that similar incidents could still take place. a former god that shares these fairs, believing that a weak system is being taken advantage of by deceitful men. because whilst the states prison department says that his policy ensures call treatment and that there is a rigorous screening process, according to the person who's been on the inside the realities a little different. the only prerequisite is that the men must have dental as female. they all require to have had reassignment surgery don't need to be in the process of transitioning, nor do they have to be on a home or in regimen. the only requirement is that they must proclaim to identify as a woman fleming, even claims that love got a show, had caught and refer to twice dent fine as male upon being released, and that of the transgender inmates at the same perhaps on surprising than that,

the policy of prisons in washington state has come on to scrutiny just as a has a bit farther down the west coast in california. because that earlier this year, a law was passed, allowing and mates to choose housing based on that gender identity. now since that around $300.00 requests being made. oh, nice 6. so far have been denied numbers that have scanned some so much that a new suit has been filed, claiming that the bill unconstitutionally puts women at risk. so cynical exploitation of fundamental human rights with dwelt increasing. you did, i did over the issue. i spoke to lauren adams, legal director of the women's liberation front, the organization behind that very little suit. the reason we have, you know, women only presents that we separate by sex, is because men posed a danger to women. and there's no evidence that men who identify as transgender, regardless of what they've done, to change their bodies,

that they've post less risk to women. i would imagine, but in the course of your was can i know property preparing thought little suit as well. you have spoken to a number of female inmates and i just wanted to get your kind of general reaction as to what it is that you're hearing from them or hearing that they're, they're scared and they feel humiliated. this feels like just adding insult to injury. it's also important to know that many of the men who are transferring over have female co defendants are ex partners where in the women's presence. so just in california there's, i know 2 women personally and there's a number of other women who i haven't spoken with who have their co defendants who have transferred over one of them. the man who transferred over killed her children and he has been put in her facility that she lives and have you had also

a from anyone of cases where someone refer to twice dent flying as a male off. they were released from prison because that seems to be, i was when i was doing research. but that did seem to be a concern among some, i don't know about after they've been released. but i do know after they've been transferred. there is at least 2 who are in there now, who after they were transferred, stop taking hormones. they had been taking hormones and stopped in california alone . and many of them have they, you know, dress more feminine or where their camera, feminine in the men's prison. and then when they arrive at the women's prison cut their hair, they start, you know, acting like man is, is how it's been put to me. and, and it's, it's, it's very terrifying for the women who have to share space with them and have to sleep in a locked room with them. have to shower in front of them and use the toilet in front of them to feel unsafe and to be unsafe. in that way,

the medical have that be more reports of sexual assault. has that been pregnancies? for example, is contraception now handed out, we know that they have been handing out condoms. they have changed their policy from as of when this was implemented so that other contraceptives such as birth control, hormonal birth control, and other things are available to the women inmates. which of course, is there, acknowledgement that these are men who are being transferred in there or else why would they need birth control? how's that being a case? female inmates feeling unsafe? maybe they themselves have been the victim of something turned to the prison authorities for advice for help, and found that they didn't receive anything. going back to california to because that's the one i'm the state i'm work the most. and on this issue they, there was one woman who was sexually assaulted by one of the the, the transferred inmates. and she immediately disclosed to staff like within,

within a few minutes of it happening. and they told her that if she wanted to be separated from him, that she needed to basically move herself to either go to administrative segregation which is essentially solitary. and then go to another prison. there was no chance that he would be remote from her space. and it wasn't until we got involved and you know, she was able to get them to finally treat it as a prison, rape elimination act complaint where they take it a little bit more seriously. so until that happened a, just so we don't know how many women have been dismissed like that. it's happening more and more. and we get emails from people and calls from people all the time, letting us know that it's happening in this state or that state. and it's just happening quietly because people know that it's not a defensible thing to do and so they don't talk about it. it's up to us to expose

it. now we off the i washington corrections center for women about the alleged abuse mentioned in task, years report it hold off on no open pending or closed rape investigations that match that description. well, that tries to argument isn't confined to just america. the civil atrocities, apparently still happening in part of the u. k, including scotland as well. data transgender debate continues right now at auto. dot com for the meantime is hop on the hour. now, here in russia, in the russian capital, i should say, with back to the top of the hour with more of you to say headline ah ah, that money printing is driving up the energy costs. and it's going to force russia into the you for that.