we're expecting to come up the most and take the focus conversation was ukraine. as you mentioned, it's been hard to miss washington opposite, convince the roches planning some kind of invasion, the soonest. the new year, the media adding to the hysteria by talking about these hundreds of thousands of russian troops on its own land by the ukrainian puerto and going into the cool the bite. the mistress was very adamant that is completely unacceptable. so i think it's safe to say that it's guaranteed that that will get to mention in any statement that is, that does come out. another thing that definitely would have been discussed between the 2 was moscow's red line. that is nate to expand to more specifically ukraine becoming a member state. so those were the 2 big topics. but then again, there might be some surprises when we got was as to what if anything was agreed. and i think if there is probably more likely, you know, those, a lot of hype around the call up very little expectation that, that would be any major breakthroughs. i think the best that we can probably hope

for at this stage is that the 2 wilds, a superpower, was agreed to continue engagement on the highest diplomatic levels on to sort of time the temperature down on any tensions, particularly in the black sea. be, you know, what, at same time given america's bellicose language, going into the talk and on generally, biden's unwillingness to accept moscow's red lines or kind of reach any compromise where it doesn't benefit. i think that even kind of agreeing to disagree would have been maybe a toyota. okay, so yeah, one thing we do know that talks have rock, draw up our t correspondence, sell ski, taylor taken us through that. and other dealers are a lot for the seller a program, so they're only just beginning find out what showing right after the shorter support ah ah, that money print thing is driving up the energy costs and it's gonna force

russia into the u. n. for that to happen, nato and american military has got it germany, i call it air 1st. you say, i'm crazy, but that's what i'm calling. mm hm . i wanted to ask you 1st and foremost, how is the well doing in its fight against cove? it? i think did that said design porter deficient according to where you leave? so did they did. the issue is that we, i think we are doing quite golda, indeed most advanced and wednesday society is up, but unfortunately they, they, they, they walk away is very, very far to be accomplished. i ended up being counting did most difficult countries

that are leading, that it, it biggest strategies in terms of the number of crises that they are affected by and i did his will. so what strikes me really a lot is eugena quantity that we are leaving in i and there was some counting 9 you okay. and union, for example, we had many seeing that there dosa while in africa we asked d. louis. i raised that tesa temper, sandy blondie, engrossed with 0 percent. so the something that says model, you said the book, every country to some degree is going to work according to its own speed. is its own efficacy. i guess when it comes to getting the right demographics, exposed to the right vaccines for example. but you and i were talking, i just my was before you join me in the studio and, and, and i, and i hope that's good news in the world to the moment regarding this concert had global initiative to battle, coven, i printed some documents for you that the johns hopkins university of medicine in baltimore, a very well established medical institute. they printed off a list of all the countries around the world. of course, this has a lot to do with a mass vaccination rates. and essentially,

it shows the number of confirmed infections and it shows the number of fatalities, for example. and i guess this should be good news in israel, for example, 1300000 confirmed infections. a death rate of 0.6 percent. switzerland, $1000000.00, infected death rate, 1 point one percent. the u. k. 10000000. infected death rate, 1.4 percent. spain, 1.7 percent. france 1.5. that should mean the vaccines are working. yeah, he said good news, it is good news when basic, but for whom. so this is a once again. now, of course that means that the about seen is working right. maxine is a thick diva baths. maxine it may be of axis might be x accessible. bam of for every one for every human being, this is not company, this is why we are so concerned about i did did the current trans silva, the distribution of the vaccine cell around toward talking about it for doses. ready so it boosted over some one. he's talking about 2022. even the 5th dose is

and this is, this is, i mean, this is a point of concern. you know, from the a number of people out there actually because i'm british and in the u. k. the moment the prime minister is saying, if you've had one vaccine or 2 vaccinations is not important, now you need a booster every 6 months. is that so it is at the future g. think of how we can evaluate. i'm not, i'm not a scientist. i'm not a medical doctor, so i don't want to do and that is something that is not up to me. but i did did did the consent. it's about the accessing the places where they didn't do not have access to the 1st doses and add these iniquities as something that we are calling to be fixed. so does i hours, but for sure, i think that we have to leave. we deserve disease. that for a very long time, yes is not, i'm not going to be olvera, especially if we will continue to need. we need in the, in the, in the same way as we are doing now. you mentioned a few moments ago about about how difficult it is to get mass vaccinations to the developing world. for exam, you've seen a huge amount of nationwide inoculation rates in parts of europe,

parts of america as well. but in places like africa, for example, they're not getting the number of jobs that they need. is there something that you can do? your organ organizations can do to help to, to speed up the process of getting more vaccinations to africa. of course, we are ready to support, we are ready to scale up our activities in africa. but the, the, the shoes about our did the, the vaccines to have access to the vaccine. so. so because i, at the moment old vaccine, sir, i've only one destination to western counties, and this is why we are asking her to change the ways working now. and so it will do to work. and maybe we have our be copa on the w to your own, a finding a maybe a new agreement like the creeps that was, was i found and i had to, to have the same solution that was adopted. therefore, h i v, for example, that help bellotta 2222, slowed down a decays up the cases of ha

b in africa. i remember seeing a story quite recently that europe, at one point in the past month or 2, had an excess of vaccines. they had too many jobs, and they were suggested perhaps you should send this to developing countries. did they send those jobs to, you know, to developing countries. yes. by the bureaucracy is very high. go, for example, are we, we have asked her sam johnson and johnson are bucks in to the, to the italian government is still, we are waiting for a degree, lied about liability to or to sandy's or 100000 vaccines. you make a sweater because our so these and other is another country, this in desperate need of our vaccines. saudi, the issue of bureaucracy. the surely shown with the fact myself legal companies are, is an important one then that they want the vaccines that were not delivered in the european union, the steel where in the warehouse of the file must have your company. that once i've been that deliver da da da da da developing counties, but did want that, i'm not tuesday because maybe they're close to expire. maybe because they knew you

will be on union our we are convinced that johnson johnson now. all right, let's anika. ah, not go daddy either, wanda. ah, do you know that these fake news that are spreading around ah, convinced a lot of people did the of the hotel you have to usa. they did the once we de eminent, nay. that's a debt. once i get that stuck going to warehouse in the counties, like edaly, france, this is very slow, the process is very slow. i want to bring up the issue all of this latest strain that of all mc wrong, that i know you are very much aware of and, and, and older news channels around the world are talking about it. i just want it to, it's a to preface it by saying that world health organizations, chief scientist, assume we are swimming. nathan ost people on friday, not to panic. obama crohn, australia's chief medical officer, pull kelly, has said, there's no indication that armor crohn is more deadly than other strains. quote of the over 300 cases that have now been diagnosed in many countries. they have all been very mild or in fact had no symptoms at all. and then the south african

medical association says there's no reason for panicking. we don't see severely ill people suffering from omicron. and yet the media and the governments are continuing to ring the alarm bells over this very end. but we're having the w h o, the chief australian medical officer and the south african medical association saying don't panic. what do you say? at we should follow the, the advisors coming from the average. sure. and this had given community saw dwarf than dip, leading a lead us and the government's out substituting a there this and given community in dealing with decor. 19 and, and this is da da da da made davie then so once voted these emotional reaction that, that you are talking about. but also in terms of the reason why we have these new variance. so we have cold, it will be made evidence that without a drama vaccination without giving access to any human beings up to the since the risk of neil baron, sir, he's a, he's a very high guy and we can not blame. also,

this is another aspect of it, for as is it is of concern. we cannot, we cannot blame the south africa, scientists, a door to ha, for a heavy anger, opened a door to the scientific community about these new discovery. it's i something a story, egos and put at risk. the future me goes maybe in the future, either county will not discover would not open the door to the discovery side or do this. i give you communities for, for the fear to find her a did, did it did there. are there a garage or all that a sanction select they will they sell, duffy our was affected there immediately after they only got one co vance in w h o. back program in developed and developing countries. they, they differ during the pandemic while they different priorities. do you think callbacks i think was a, was a good idea. unfortunately, e is not working as expected. so the number of distribution out of the vaccine. so

our go on my callback sir, is i ism, is not so high aga, and we, we expected much more ride themselves, generosity from the international community. and there, and there the idea. it was a good idea. he was there to, to give the priority and things of distribution baycove axa for the medical doctors to the nazis that are working on the front line. but unfortunately this is working or less the 50 percent so far. so the numbers are very, very, very law and that is her eyes and i did an aspect of the international community should take as easily in consideration. so we have to do more in terms of distribution and giving access. is this basically your, your, your biggest concern is that there has to be more done to, to further spread vaccines around the world, particularly to the developing countries. we're talking long about this. how do we do that though? and this is about the will of the international community, the wheeler of decide that by day the government and the political leaders, the disease did not. you already. if we want to recover the secondary causes,

which is a did, did the poor t and a social consequences are over or over the pandemic? we have to give access to live a scene. there is no other way. this is william repeating, always these because these is what should be we, we should be focused on and, and we, we have door put pressure on the pharmaceutical companies. are there europe and union, the united states, the u. k. we invested there be unsolved dollars, sir. in the researcher, due to the door to make this vaccine accessible. so why the boys count in the developing counties the that they have not the right that to have access. so i think this should be a common board, not something that said belong to the, to the, from a central young company and raleigh. let me finish, louisa. an important point. i'm not knife. this is a very complex issue, but i'm not believing a lead of their political lead, sir. they wanted to be political leader just will deal with the complexity and they have to find the did they did this solution to give access to every one so,

so he cannot win billy eyes and it seems to me you're saying this has been politicized and has it been politicized since the beginning there, bellamy did upon them. it has been politicized her. look at they did. they did the level of the fake news or their day even political leaders, sir, helped to spread around the water. so this is something that unfortunate has been put this iser because it has to do with the fear of the people. i tell you when you made that article anyway, when it, when it comes about fear of the community. when he comes up there, did it many believe your reader, sir, i read you to jump in. this is part of the diesel jasa. as i thought to all of us is, is there a lot of propagation of fear behind all this, or perhaps the fear is warren, via theories. normally because arnold where every everything that the that is new and could be potentially dental. this is something, this is something that everyone i should meet should be concerned or anger and but so then it's up to the political leader to follow the the. ready advice is coming from the scientific community to least and that to them, to work with them,

to avoid to, to, to, to put that on the same level and is also the media is very important. responsibility, the scientific community and people there to read something on the, on, on google, on the, on the, on the, on a very strange website that born. ready thousands born around a, they did a coffee 19. this is, this is a see to see show i saw is a lesson learned. and i'm saying these because we learned from these lists some radi during that during the crisis you reading crisis, we are to read cross requests center. we learned how is important to deal with the community and historically that this is sandra. we are, we, we always had to deal with we defeat ara indoors. it were spreading the fagin. yours about our doors were spreading our dcs around there. remember, in milan 99, the 16th century, that when we had that these are definitely disease that, that did happen. danica and manzona that are important italian writer wrote down in

that book about it. with this a bit. now you think you're all nominate, but they did a hi marilyn and i own my here at my lab that hell of that, i hadn't thought it's not going to happen in echo milanfar. you didn't thought? no, well i'm going up there a bit a well, i'm really happy to lation suburban. i, i

got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offensive, very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk news . as we understand, mr. walker, the laser ports half of the entire country of afghanistan is facing starvation. how did we get to this point? this is a very serious question. count some from my, from of course, very long time. and these is stuck to die. before almost before the crisis said

that we all watched on tv and, and watched read concern before all wooster. we saw in the last 2 years, the growth from 43 percent up to 55 percent. the level of poverty in a little by an address in afghanistan. and i did the afghanistan is affected by now and historical drought in many proliance. his analogy politi cartridge itself course has aggravated this situation, although only organizations getting involved with helping afghanistan at this point . and you said it's not just in the rural communities is also in the urban centers where people are starving. now get his id, afghan with go. cynthia is doing great work scenes before we are working in 2021, probably is distributing food assisting community and assisting about vaccination programs. not about call read about other diseases and i saw we were present and in the national federation these i sent in the county. she's more than 20 years now.

supporting people of out of afghanistan. but it's all changed to matt now it's one of the shots that we are at. we are now with the winter coming or the cold season coming or are all the condition for the best for you any day, a storm, so wouldn't tragedy. so what are your priorities then in afghanistan, what comes top of the list for you to do there? to we have to have the in of course to have access and is, is we are talking with the taliban government on a daily basis on not only that and so far is workinger. and of course, a disease or delegate pointer already, it's a, it is about the sanctions. and this is because it could be read as a political statement, which is not but, but they have to deal with the political consequences or we did, we did, did, did the consequences, did the political decision, are having got on the life of the people or soul we do need, we do need, ah, to will, to work in

a different form and our now sanctions are affecting that word. it, it, we, we are working. it literally, i not only ask you all, do you mind diana organizational, of course, but this is not the 1st time that i will even see that we are we have exposing it, but are you getting help from the international community when it comes to your projects? for example, afghanistan, is it just you guys there? are you getting the help you need? no, no, no, we are getting and we are, we, we are receiving go. we are receiving a supporter. many government, sarah sustaining our, our, our project and then define said no to the i providing fund sorts of why they were organization to the, to the you and agencies. but then once again, that is, that is a difficult, that the process is, varies a little about, i'm importing gold and, and all of these ice and something that he's a really affected that when you've got a big job for you and your organizations in afghanistan, you've been there more than 20 years during which you can, let's now turn if we can to that recent migrant crisis in europe. mister rocha,

a recent migrant crisis, as i know, you know, you're very well aware of the story. it flared up on the polen, beller bella ross border. how has the red cross been helping those people? they're not providing either providing food, assisting them in day in the shelter. we do restore families, sir, and there did bell arrows with cross with this both of the international federation . i think that the moment is they're doing a, a good job. of course, disease now not to meet 10 more long term solution at the area hosted in a shelter area, but so far they are in a warm environment. and then we are engaging in attic discussion. we de been the government of barrows to find either solution. now for them, are you finding both huffman so in minsk and in warsaw, are they both being helpful or is there a bit of a combativeness going on? because at this honda and put on the unfortunately we don't have access said to the border, you don't have access to this post side of the border or not you asked or access to it. of course we have acts dying we. we don't saw lisa dizzy eyes, the difference and once again,

this is not the believe your 2nd these of actor. so we, we, we, we don't have access and i'm going to got access to one side of the board of the bell russian side of the border. i didn't, we didn't make a rush inside the and that's what you've been handing out the, the aid, the tense, the food, the joy close. actually this is one way that it is what we are. these is what we are doing and i stuff we stuff. regoza, you see the in, once again, the emotional reaction now cammie and got to a p and level about these crises, which it really is not that great seems to be we are talking about few ended so feeble, some one else or a call that he, the him the un security council for few hundreds of disparate people seeking that the border saw once again as this has been accused of some wine has been accused of using the mag ourself as opposed to got dollar as a matter of fact the his stool. but his tool, not embarrass impala now. he strode it up in a last year i did bought getaway. turkey and greece. he sold that now in

u. k. i did it bait is very big. strew that uniquely. they did a lot of denisia and they, in the mag, i use as a tool shoot front of it, but semen and, and, and another aspect, i mentioned that turkey and greece so now is better. those fall under last year it was a turkey and greece anonymity. there on your router is open. we have the boss can rota ah, the doors were stuck out with the boss. now it's never, you can not set up the desperation. they will always find that a route you can't stop. we if we are leaving gracie so that within fiction, the crisis missile rocker is the red cross helping with moving any of these migrants to, to the final destination like germany or the u. k. arisen, or family league so forth, we immediately engage with the governments because we know that many of that magnets that destiny of connection and families. a member of their families, are just leaving the country destination with the want to arrive. so we, we try to fulfill the data, any, some location, eyes of competition on we, we,

we do, we, we, we, we, we achieve, these are, sorry that we ever red line that it, sir. we are fully did. it goes, for example, you okay, we have the british red cross with the french. what grove you that yeah, it goes, it's all we, we stay connected the to data store, family links and, and we, we, we facilitate a psychiatrist unions because some are some of these migrants who are coming across to bell russian polish border. quite a lot of them are from northern iraq as a courtesy on northern region of iraq. these are people coming from a war zone. these are people coming from years of war, the get to the european border. they get sprayed with some sort of a tear gas pepper spray soaking clothes, sub 0 temperatures. a lot of these people said enough, we're going to go back. we're going back to a former was i'm because it's better that than it is here. does that surprise you at all? no, i'm not surprised because this is not the 1st time that we are expedient in these to be, to be honest. and i am, fortunately, am not even that this is

a reasonable consent from my says that i'm not surprised about a european union now. and they were just county ira reacting in dealing with human beings. this is, and i'm wondering if we are losing our humanity because he's not about every county has the right to say that policies for migrations. we have not question. it's about diety, the humanity on which we have to do or what to treat every human beings. this is the only point that we are racing. well said, my last, my last couple of questions for you before i let you go. i know you're very busy, man. why are you here in moscow? what are you doing in russia at 1st studies, ah, and import and gatherings or gathering of volunteers here here in moscow. oh, boy, when you're coming from different organization that dealt the we, did we, the pandemic with the coffee 19, a colder we are together. but of course, also to meet a russian with cross lead a sheep, or there is a new core,

so of the russia with cross. and so to support them, to least in our baldera expectation, in terms of support from the international federation about of course, in terms of all future corporation and collaboration, also the international level with the rational. what about russian vaccines? are you guys considering bringing on russian vaccines to the red cross saw i met i met yesterday, they did a, the mini, so vale and i, and of course, he's an important expectations because dance of counties recognize the dispute. the vaccines saw i a, we asked the in the, in the government or the russian federation due to support the delivery and to facilitate the access today with this book nika, and i'm quite optimistic the minnesota promise me that, that is going to facilitate the bureaucracy. and, and, and add new york said to do, even aunt sarah, what did i say? it isn't a european, a headache, medical regulated health regulator, i should say, beg your pardon? i still waiting, still waiting to approve. agree. after all these months. i mean, you mentioned to me recently that this how this panoramic has been politicized when

it comes to russian vaccines being approved by the european regulators. that seems like a case a blatant case of it being politicized. well, maybe i'm wrong or what to jump in that. what that, what are they? they're there because i'd so very, very, very sensitive and valuable if you got questions. but that's, as i said. and so by the countries in europe, we ever, i think that there we have enough luck seats. we have talking about countries that don't ought to have access to live exceeds and man you counties every call nice day to day, the sport because sienna, sol, let's what we discount theresa. this is a political dialogue. i do think that they something strange because it is not working. why they and saying that this is not working for enough is all there and all for all my from him. i know dad are prolonging, got a discussion, and this is something that, of course, posed some questions about duties on why, but that is not up to me. i'm not, as i said,

i'm not the medical doctor. would you agree that mr. mr. walker, the end of the day, it's not politics, it should be people's health. exactly, exactly. mm. ah, ah, ah, that money printing is driving up the energy costs. and it's gonna force russia into the u. n. for that to happen. nato and american military is got it. germany, i call it air 1st. you say, i'm crazy, but that's what i'm calling. mm. oh, is your media reflect in of reality a in

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