it's remarkable the civilized hm. the presidents of russia on the u. s. whole crisis talks triggered by tensions in ukraine. joe biden raises the thread of sanctions against moscow, while president burton calls for diplomacy and slums attempts ikea to undermine. he's also had a gunman is arrested in southern moscow after killing 2 people and injuring for others in the public services center. o process slums, the indian trying to enforce supposedly inclusive language like laying its actions to the quote nazi dictatorship. ah,

oh, midnight in q 8 city in madagascar, and right here in moscow as well. welcome to the news r and r t. my names, unit o'neill, vladimir putin on joe biden, have concluded what was a 2 hour video cole, focusing on fears of a military escalation in ukraine. the kremlin, on the white house half revealed the key talking points. let's get into that with ortiz saskia taylor here in moscow. high saskia and we've not heard us have been saying both sides following them meeting. what's the main takeaways ah, well, that was a lot of hype around the school, but it also at the same time, very little expectation that would be major breakthroughs. and i think that is probably the big takeaway of the day off to that phone call in which number of topics was discussed. and sy, by wolf had to specific stupidity,

regional stability or regional context. rather including with a ron. i would discuss both sides have now issue statement and i will say that there is quite a big difference in both the content and, and the tone. * they're all 3 points in which they do converge across the us and russia will continue to walk diplomatic newton forward to that. the bulk of the conversation was dedicated to ukraine and 3 that indeed bytes and did lay out punitive measures. ah, if any type of attack, what to happen on the ukraine for the difference is there are quite a few regarding ukraine on the u. s. statement quite broadly just said that the president biden had reaffirmed his commitment to ukraine sober soon was seeking de escalation. that's all now from the kremlin, what we're in fact hearing is that president putin very clearly laid out the numerous ways in which keith has violated and continues to violate the mental agreements. just reminder, it's a list of protocols that are in place to settle the conflict in the dumbass region

of easton ukraine. and another thing which completely didn't get any mention in the white house statement. i was linked to a moscow's concerned about aggressive nato activity on its expansion. as take a listen, the responsibility should not be shifted onto the shoulders of russia. since it is nato, that is making dangerous attempts to control ukrainian territory and is building opus military potential at our borders. russia is seriously interested in obtaining reliable, lengthy binding guarantees that need to would not expand east or deploy offensive weapon systems in states bordering on russia. what if the white house is response to that? which basically said that no one's going to dictate nature? what do you crank could still very well become a member? if that's anything to go by then it looks like the military lines mover made a major sticking point in us. russia ties, you know, maybe because more time was taken in touring it up from the kremlin site. it does

right me that the russian statement is more detailed. it also is more descriptive when it comes to concrete suggestions laid out by the 2 leaders. now one particular positive one was made pipeline to mit putin. he suggested that any functions and limitations on diplomatic missions in the 2 nations be removed. meaning that essentially dip madsen episode could get back to walk as usual. that would ease that pads and, and that would be no more tip the top expulsions. the final difference i would note is in total the premise came out and said yes, there are still problems. we agree about that. but in general, i would say that it was a, a constructive conversation. now, the white house, we saw really a continuation of quite aggressive rhetoric that was still coming in to the court. it was all about pressuring through to and, and i, and, and making those warnings and threats clear. i'm. so for me, those moments seemed to be about projecting strength about it being some kind of power. pay between 2 leaders rather than what i'm really as, which is the bid to breach the gap between 2 nations at

a time when relations have never been so bad. but you know what, given how tie us right. rush relations have been in recent months. i think that even these t statements, with all that differences, however bland, they might seem without any real, a promise of change even that at this point could be seen as a big success. yeah, talking is talking south thanks very much for the us. oscar taylor in central moscow. well, let's also bring on to the problem, kill up my pen, or correspondent in new york. caleb, the meeting seemed to start off pretty friendly. we saw a video of that with the greetings between the 2 leaders. what's the sense of how the entire call went down over there? while washington has released a list of talking points from the us, russia crunch talks more reaction, is expected from both sides in the coming hours. but here's what we heard from the biden administration. they talked about how biden raised concerns about the build

up of russian forces near the border with ukraine and from there, talked about how the united states and its allies would respond with decisive economic and other measures if there was a military installation. now biden called on to de escalate and to return to diplomacy. and he instructed the respective teams to continue dialog on ukraine. now they also discussed issues related to cybersecurity and to the islamic republic of iran. in addition to that, there was a situation where we later heard from the white house spokesperson john saki. and she said that apparently the administration is considering cutting russia out of the global financial system. and they are considering doing that despite the implications that would have for the russian economy in the russian people. here's what we heard. really, our objective and our focus is not on the tone, it is on what their actions are. and we would like, of course,

to see them de escalate and most importantly not to invade. if they do, part of this call was to convey clearly there will be consequences and significant ones. now at the same time, we also heard from the spokesperson for the us state department. and they said that essentially they won't rule out the deployment of further troops to eastern europe . they won't rule that out. in addition to that, we did hear a pretty firm statement that the united states does not believe that the russian federation has made a decision regarding a possible attack on ukraine. but regardless of the fact that they don't believe the decision has already been made, they apparently have a new round of sanctions that are ready to be laid out against moscow. so quite an odd, you know, turn of events, but that is what we're hearing from washington in the aftermath of the meeting. kill him up and in new york and earlier saskia taylor speaking to us from moscow

now in the u. s. is preparing the mother of old sanctions against russia, if it invade ukraine threats coming from a democratic center, a bub menendez comes again despite repeated statements from the kremlin, that it has no such plans. now, the most drastic measure on the table is cutting russia or from this swift payment system, which banks use to move money around the world that's been confirmed by the us state department on backed up by a foreign minister of luck. fear to say that you needs to take tough action against moscow. if a swift boy cut happens, it would be quite considerably the toughest measure taken against russia to date. will the threats follow? sanction spree really is how you can describe it from the bye didn't ministration.

most recently, washington infuriated china by imposing a diplomatic boy cart on the upcoming winter olympics. it also just imposed penalties on the 4th, dean officials for entities in iran and syria over alleged rights abuses. okay, we'll try and get a little bit deeper into this story a little bit later into the program and get a number off guess to speak on that because it's an interesting development. all that we're going to get from different perspectives and on all those different aspects. another big story though, happening on tuesday in moscow, a deadly shooting in the south east of the city. and just to give you

a sense of what happened there, a gunman kill 2 people and injured for others, including a young child inside of public services center. earlier on tuesday, our correspondent was up the scene a little bit earlier here, shooting the kia and file to us. one has been seems of absolute chaos and panic on this relatively quiet street to the southeast of moscow. this afternoon, after 45 year old man opened fire in the city service center right behind me, as you said, killing 2 people and injuring 4 others. now we believe that one of those killed today was an employee at the service center and it has been confirmed that one of those injured was a 10 year old girl. now the conditions of those 4 people who were injured today is said to be very serious. it's unclear at this point. what exactly led this man to open fire on these people here today. although it's been reported that there was perhaps an altercation or an arguments over the wearing of protective face mosques,

after which he opened fire and then tried to flee the sea. now pituitary, there was an off duty police officer, am in the service center at the time he managed to chase off to him and restrain him until the police arrived and arrested the man and, and took him in for questioning. jamara boucher miss, i was at my workplace and had a far alarm as well as the sound similar to gunshots than i saw, a man running towards the exit of the building. at that moment, i made a decision to detain him and i ran off to him. he resisted arrest. i saw that he was carrying a knife and a farm. when i was detaining him, i made sure he couldn't use these weapons and neutralized him. then it was found that this man actually had not the knife, a gun, but also a knife on his person. and that man that off duty police officer could be in line for an award for that tremendous active bravery today. now the moscow mer answer gets beyond and he has of course, expect expressed his condolences to the families of the victims. they lost their lives there to day and also express the hope for

a speedy recovery. for those 4 who were injured in this sad, this tragic turn of events that day nicky ern reporting while we spoke to a man who knew one of the people killed in the shooting is lukewarm. silly. similarly, i knew alexei ross slept. we worked together for about 4 months. i was a claim for him. attendance. he was the security guards here. good little. he was a kind hard working man, a good man. oh you said would never any problems with him soon. and he always told him funny stories and anecdote, so hard ocean, which i found out earlier today that there was ambulance as the police halo stuff. so we thought it was a bomb threat or therapy, no fire. but you found out that there have been issued gold with dead and wounded, and among the dead, i sold the name of that man. i was lost as his food us, thanks for leasing. we'll continue to monitor that story and we're bringing the significant updates as they come into this on the program. hope frances has won the

e u that it's in danger. are bringing about its own done full. if it doesn't tone done, it's desire to impose one way of thinking on all even compare it. it's methods to quote, the nazi dictatorship. the head of the catholic church was referring to a european commission drive to mc official communications and more inclusive wordly here. quite a lot, including a suggestion that staff se holiday period instead of christmas hears ortiz, charlotte students hope frances, essentially condemning the european commission in likening it to the nazi regime. he also offered a warning saying that brussels shouldn't be moving on a path towards at this type of woke language. this is what the pontiff had to say in history. many, many dictatorships have tried to do this kind of thing. think of napoleon, think of the nazi dictatorship, the communist one. it is a fashion of a watered down secularism, distilled water. it is something that throughout history hasn't worked well that

document was cancelled last week after a firestorm of criticism with politicians across the block describing it is lacking common sense. now they also said that the commission was trying to cancel christmas . why? well, one of the guidelines within that document said that people shouldn't say christmas can be stressful. and there was the idea of saying you shouldn't ask people for their christine name. now this idea of inclusive language is something that the commission president herself on de leon has in the past back and said she wants to move towards. but this document which contained many other examples like not greeting people as ladies and gentlemen, because that wasn't inclusive enough and saying you couldn't describe something as being man made because that would be sexist, was just a step too far. and as a result, the commission has had to make an embarrassing you tune and delete this document.

now pope frances also talked about the idea of a document like this essentially weakening democracy. he said when national values are being sacrificed and this is something that was meant to unify europe as instead what it's done is sewn even deeper divisions. and the pope himself warned that something like this could cause the fall of you itself. brussels must be careful not to take the path of ideological colonial, like zation, which could end up dividing countries and causing the european union to fail. well, what that document was cancelled last week. what it does is it raises questions about the political set up of the commission itself. and i said that because the commission is supposed to dot the eyes cross the t's, make sure that any document that's published is exactly what it wants to be. so the doesn't to track the sort of criticism we've seen over this document,

and as it would have verified that before publication, it really begs the question, is this the direction that the commission wants to move in a direction where we have a world without christmas or political analyst nicholas markovich thinks the pope's intervention shows how far the e u. a lead has drifted from the views of citizens for many people who dreamed of building europe after world war war, they never thought of this. this is europe, unfortunately, brussels. this is the, the super elite in europe today who are copying was coming out of the american campuses. this is relayed by mainstream media by a major corporations and they're trying to re engineer the society. this has nothing to do with tackling the sanitary situation with a fighting against poverty, with helping countries integrate. this has nothing to do. this is social re engineering. this is quite scary. and this is coming from a top bottom,

a momentum which again, this super late, which is wanting to dictate to people how they're supposed to think what they are not to say again, if you just think about the document, the essence of the document. this is, this is frightening. this is the essence of the author, authoritarianism. this is a series of totalitarianism. tell people what they're supposed to think and say china has slammed a u. s. diplomatic boy khaleta. it's winter olympics next year, calling it an attempt to provoke and manipulate they wouldn't go us politicians keeping up a you diplomatic boycott without even being invited. the gainers, this wishful thinking and pure grandstanding is aimed at limits was manipulation. it is a great travesty of the spirit of the olympian charter, a blatant very little new provocation of teams and a serious front of the 1400000000 chinese people come to tell him. the stand off

comes amid tense relations with washington and beijing's political and economic competition affecting ever more spears. us athletes will still compete, however, there just won't be any american officials there. the i o. c, say it respects biden's decision, unstressed. the importance of leaving outside of politics. the white house for it's part sites, concerns about a lead human rights violations. and china. as the by new ministration will not send any diplomatic or official representation to the beijing 2022 winter olympics and paralympic games given the peer scenes, ongoing, genocide and crimes against a humanity engine. john and other human rights abuses. the athletes and team usa have our full support will be behind them 100 percent, as we cheered them on from home, who will not be contributing to the fanfare of the games. or we got reaction from a pair of gas. they both think washington is trying to politicize the chinese games

. it's an unnecessary slide against paging. it's, it, it looks like a reactionary attempt by a week president. well, you know, it does signal that the, by the ministration wants to politicize the olympic, somewhat similar to what we saw between the us and the ussr during the cold war. now this will indicate the many by does not subscribe the life experience of peaceful, athletic competition. we should keep in mind, however, that it's not a total boycott as your lead and noted. american athletes can feel compete. furthermore, it's not as provocative as what we see from the u. s. with respect to ukraine against russia, or taiwan against mainland china, or how the u. s. stand or the proliferation of nuclear weapon to australia. the bigger question now is whether other countries will follow washington lead and in post, similar boycotts, and how china will respond. it's always unfortunate when you know the olympics is politicized. but i do think that the trend in american and china relations,

despite the brief moment of call that seem to be expressed in the, in the video conference between general secretary, she and president biden, that that seems to have passed. and we're back to a more overtly hostile attitude. it's interesting, of course, that american athletes will still be competing. american corporations that sponsor the olympics and broadcast out on television, of course don't want to lose out on their revenues. so i think that there's a very interesting dichotomy here between this attitude on the part of the government and the broader position of the olympics. ok, let's go back to that story. we spoke about a little earlier in the program. some guests coming up to speak about a let's just recap. the us is preparing the mother of old sanctions against russia, if it invades ukraine. now, the threat coming from democratic senator bob menendez and it comes the spice

repeated statements from the kremlin that it has no such bonds to do so. now the most drastic measure on the table is cutting russia off from the swift payment system, which banks use to move money around the world that's been confirmed by the us state department. i'm backed up by the foreign minister of last year, who took the opportunity to say that you needs to take tough action against moscow . now if a swift boy cut happens, it would be quite considerably the toughest measure taken against russia to date. and the threat solo, a sanction spree from the by den ministration. most recently, washington infuriated china by imposing a diplomatic boycott on the upcoming winter olympics. it's also has just been post penalties on 14th officials and 4 entities in iran, syria over alleged rights abuses. well, i'm delighted to welcome a virtual expert panel of guests on the program. now run a rough for us is

a geo political unless martin summers, an independent journalist on earl rasmussen, executive vice president of the erasure center. let's start with you url. today, you're all very welcome by the way, early, why do you think america is threatening to sanction russia for something that a has not happened and b will not happen according to the kremlin? i think there's a couple different reason why the domestic, the binding administration has been a complete, almost total freefall old devry initiative that has failed. it's not going well is both his hand and vice president reading or down here we can create some type of the media assistance, read some type of friction. and then lo and behold, he comes in and helps reduce that by leadership stands up where you

crated for the us. so i think in one way it's a political move on that side. the other part is we need it. we need a bogeyman and i think partially there were lose are in once, and it's kind of like a rabid dog. you know, you start to lash out in, in different ways. find that project yourself and, and with the only one pulse we have the thank you martin. some of the most aggressive language is coming from eastern europe, notably lupsi, as i just went through. what's your take on that aspect of thing? well, obviously there are a lot of historical antagonisms in this region. lot in particular was occupied by the soviet union in 19 pul, season, and didn't, didn't get his independence or 99 face. so you've got a lot of historical business to deal with. and this is a big problem for russian diplomacy in eastern europe is a does, there's a,

there's a, there's are quite deep well of resentments in places like poland, the baltic publics, and to some extent, in ukraine, especially in weston ukraine. now that doesn't mean the western pilots should be stoking these kind of sentiments that is actually role the reprehensible. but they're working with some raw material. it's already there. right? or let's bring you in. do you think any western power seriously believes russia is about to invade ukraine? you know, it's hard to understand the logic. what could moscow stand to gain from, from starting a war? well, i think that the western governments do well know that this is rather a blame game, the putting pressure on russia in terms of yeah, i would say social credit points. they make the public belief that russia is a real threat to the ukraine at the moment. and that an invasion is looming. and

surely they will not be so foolish to believe that this is a true situation at the moment, but at least russia is now under pressure to defend itself morally. and to show that it's not escalating the conflict with ukraine. but in reality, the great, the picture is that russia is really in defense because they have to fear that a ukraine will be come a card of the nato alliance. and that is, of course, a major threat to the geopolitical setting of russia. so they just turn the whole picture 100 degrees around, which is actually what was one of the main points that blocking me put and brought up today. we believe in the meeting with joe biden. and earl cutting russia off.

busy from swift would be the most extreme of measures deployed yet at helping to run devastated the economy there. is there any chance of washington pursuing what's being called a nuclear option based on their questionable diplomats that they potentially good. i would think be very unwise move your credible isolation then, aren't you? well, it to some degree. but russia got a backup system already in place. they have their mir card. very little impact, i think internally, externally it would. yes would they would, i don't think would devastate in like around, around with parents for that. but i think europe would, would suck some implications ramifications that as well kind of backfire. i would think european would be very strongly lobbying against such an action

around as they did with around yeah. martin if, if america was somehow willing and able to crush the rest of the economy by, by isolated gets entire banking system. hope bob would not get for millions of ordinary people, not just in russia, but perhaps his era was just alluding to their people in the post soviet countries surrounding it. well, not just then. if you think about it, i can't remember the exact ranking, but the russian federation is somewhat the biggest economy in the world might be even higher than that. now if you succeed in crushing that economy in order to achieve a political objective and it's not clear that you can succeed, but let's just imagine that you did. and if you're going to set off to do something like that, presumably. ready not the goal. well, let's just like opening a black hole under the international banking system. we're seeing what's happening and sean with ever grunt warbling in the property market, possibly going down the drain. uncles. if that happens,

that's going to pull down. the western banking system, potentially and in other words, you know, this is really silly, dangerous stuff. and it could have also, you know, just thinking an afternoon the entire banking system could be destroyed by some miscalculated political maneuver. you do get the sense it hasn't been fully thought 3, a little bit reiner. what about ukraine's rule here is not the video called just not letting me put and mentioned kids co, destructive behavior, quite direct language. you said they were trying to dismantle the piece process for eastern ukraine. shouldn't be more questions, maybe even more concern in the west. but what key is alleged to be doing here? i think that the west has since 2014, fully misunderstood the role of the ukraine. something like a bridge or a buffer between the geopolitical power. russia in the east and the western

powers like yeah, after all the united states and its allies in europe. and this role has never been played out. protectively has been broken the country and this conflict between and the geopolitical struggle between the west and russia. and this is the underlying problem. so i think the west should acknowledge that it should also support the interests of the eastern ukrainian people who want to establish their autonomy. and as far as we could see in the past 7 years, we have to admit that this may well be the future of this country that there will be different par with different autonomy. and a rush of course, wants to secure also this independence. yeah,

so far what we see is just insisting and those measures which for 7 years have not sold to conflict have not solve the problem. so what we would want to see now is real dialogue is the real approach, alter in their positions, mutual acknowledgement that there are different interests. but this is not the case . so far, url were seeing a general pattern of sanctions use more and more widely by the u. s. even threatening close allies like india that was over its purchase of russia's s $400.00 missile system. it just appears that washington is becoming more and more fe, as using this, almost forgetting the diplomacy as may be a to hey, they have their disposal as well. so, i mean, ideally just the ball. if you look erwin when solution and you have a negotiation that takes place and here is.