wants to secure also this independence. yeah. so far what we see is just insisting and old measures, which for 7 years have not sold the conflict have not solve the problem. so what we would want to see now is real dialogue is the real approach. also in their positions, mutual acknowledgement that there are different interests, but this is not the case so far. earl, we're seeing a general pattern of sanctions use more and more widely by the u. s. even threatening close allies like india that was over its purchase of rushes, s $400.00 missile system. it just appears that washington is becoming more and more fe as using this, almost forgetting the diplomacy as maybe a to a they have at their disposal as well. aiming ideally, does the policy look erwin when solution and you have

a negotiation that takes place and here it's, it's not that essentially you gotta, you've got to view and walk into the u. s. american exceptionalism and, and supremacy. and they are basically, they're, they're, they're doing whatever they can do, you know where we're married, it's a very arrogant, aggressive policy. and they use the sanctions. and if it really is a means to destabilize other countries, sovereign nations and create economic hardship, i create hunger and starvation create an atmosphere that results in the migration math. like great as well. it goes completely opposite of what you would assume you would want to in a normal diplomatic discussion in a civilized diplomatic. we're all right. thanks. we're almost just out of time martin the last 20 seconds you. if you will, perhaps on that point. well,

just in point you the, it can cause all kinds of damage this kind of destructive approach to international relations. but it's, it's just so silly because ultimately you're slowing off the branch you are sitting on. how do you think the continental united states is going to survive if it makes a devastated mess of the rest of the world? yeah, gentlemen, it's, it's been engaging. it's been interesting. thank you very much for your time and your thoughts today. martin summers independent journalists, earl rasmussen, executive vice president of the racist center on rhino rough 1st geopolitical. unless thank you all. thank you. all right, that's where we leave it from the news room here in moscow for now. i'll keep the updates coming right up the top. they close for margaret problems beginning and moment. hey, i have often said transparency for the powerful privacy for the bell. this bitter

case about privacy. what people care about is power. julian sanchez become a symbol of the battle. the privacy information is power. that's what's going on with oral issue. struggle with the governments and corporations to want to keep information secret and others who the democratic rights should be pushed forward. and people have a right to know what their minds are to watch how assange helped to shift the conversation around transparency. come see what that battle has done to him. i feel like julie's life might be coming to an end. we are in a conflict situation with the largest, most powerful employer in such a situation. it's remarkable because a lot of storage room with

ah, i wanted to ask you 1st and foremost, how is the well doing in its fight against cove? it i thing did that said design porter decision according to where you leave. so did they did. the issue is that we, i think we are doing quite golda, indeed most advanced and wednesday, suicide is up. but unfortunately they did a walk away. is that he verified to be accomplished. i ended up being counting did most difficult countries that are leading, that it, it biggest strategies in terms of the number of crises that they are affected by and i did his will. so what strikes me really a lot is eugena quantity that we are leaving in i and there was some county 9 you can union, for example, we administered that though, dosa. while in africa we asked the louisa raised that tisa temper sandy

blondie coastal ged. but since salt something that says model got set up, every country to some degree is going to work according to its own speed, is its own efficacy, i guess when it comes to getting the right demographics, exposed to the right vaccines for example. but you and i were talking, i just mom before you join me in the studio and, and, and i, and i hope that is good news in the world of the moment regarding this concerted global initiative to battle, coven, i printed some documents for you that the johns hopkins university of medicine in baltimore, very well established medical institute. they printed up a list of all the countries around the world. of course, this has a lot to do with a mass vaccination rates. and essentially, it shows the number of confirmed infections and it shows the number of fatalities, for example. and i guess this should be good news in israel, for example, 1300000 confirmed infections. a death rate of 0.6 percent. switzerland, $1000000.00, infected death rate, 1 point one percent. the u. k. 10000000. infected death rate, 1.4 percent. spain,

1.7 percent. france 1.5. that should mean the vaccines are working. yeah, he said good news, it is good news when basic, but for whom so it is right once again. now, of course, that means that the vaccine is working right. maxine is at fake deever but so maxine, it may be of axis must be x accessible by of of for every one for every human being or this is not happening. this is why we are so concerned about i did, did the current trans silva, the distribution of the vaccine cell around award. you're talking about it for doses, so add a booster. oh, some one. he's talking about 2022. even the 5th dose is. and this is, this is, i mean, this is a point of concern, you know, from the a number of people out there actually because i'm british and in the u. k. the moment the prime minister is saying, if you've had one vaccine or 2 vaccinations is not important, now you need a booster every 6 months. is that so it is at the future. okay, think of how we can if i'm not, i'm not a scientist. i'm not the medical doctor, so i don't want to do and getting something that is not up to me. but i did did did

the consent. it's about the accessing places where they didn't do not there. baxa, they had to the 1st doses and add these iniquities or something that were calling to be fixed. so do you hear hours from button for sure, i think that we have to leave. we deserve disease that for a very long time, and yes is not, i'm not going to be olvera, especially if we will continue to need. we need to in the, in the, in the same way as we are doing now. you mentioned a few moments ago about about how difficult it is to get mass vaccinations to the developing world. for example, you've seen a huge amount of nationwide inoculation rates and parts of europe, parts of america as well. but in places like africa, for example, they're not getting the number of jobs that they need. is there something that you can do? your older organizations can do to help to, to speed up the process of getting more vaccinations to africa. of course, we are ready to support, we are ready to scale up our activities in africa. but daddy,

the shoes about our day did the since to have access to the vaccine, sir. so because i, at the moment old of seeing sir, i have only one destination to western counties, and this is why we are, we are asking her to change the ways working now. and so it will door to walker and maybe we have our be copa on the w to your own, a finding a maybe a new agreement to like the creeps that was, was found. and i had to, to have the same solution that was adopted therefore ha v for example, that helped a lot to, to dawn to slow down a dekessa, the cases of h, i v in africa. i remember seeing a story quite recently that europe, at one point in the past month or 2, had an excess of vaccines. they had too many jobs. and they were suggested perhaps you should send this to developing countries. did they send those jobs, you know, to developing countries? yes. by the bureaucrats. he's very high guy, for example, are we, we have asked her, sam johnson, johnson or buckskin to day to the italian government esteem. we are waiting for

a degree, lied about liability to or to sandy's or 100000. but since he made us whether, because our so these and other is another country, this in desperate need of our vaccines. saudi, the issue of bureaucracy. they should little issue with the fact myself, bigger companies, there is an important one then that they want the vaccines that were not delivered in the european union, the steel where in the warehouse over the front, my cellular company that once i've been delivered to do it the developing counties but did once that they're not used there because maybe they're close to expire. maybe because they knew you will be on your yeah. now are we are convinced that johnson johnson now or i said seneca are not good. does the other one, sir? ah, did you know that these fake news that are spreading around or i convinced a lot of people did the of the hotel you have to user? they did the once we de emily ne, better debt. once i get that stuck jane,

there were house in the counties like either leave france, this is very slow, the process is very slow. i wanted to bring up the issue office latest strain that of all mc wrong, that i know you are very much aware of and, and, and all the news channels around the world talking about it. i just wanted to, to preface it by saying the world health organizations chief scientist, assume we are swimming. nathan urged people on friday, not to panic. obama crohn, australia's chief medical officer, pull, kelly, has said, there's no indication that alma crohn is more deadly than other strains. quote of the over 300 cases that have now been diagnosed in many countries. they have all been very mild or in fact had no symptoms at all. and then the south african medical association says there's no reason for panicking. we don't see severely ill people suffering from omicron. and yet the media and the governments are continuing to ring the alarm bells over this very end. but we're having the w h o, the chief australian medical officer and the south african medical association saying don't panic. what do you say?

at we should follow the, the advisors coming from the the debris had shaw and decide given community. so dwarf than the political lead us and the government's out substituting go there this and give you the community in dealing with a call 19. and, and this is da da da da made davie then so once voted, these emotional reaction get that you are talking about. but also in terms of the reason why we have these new vianza. so we have cold, it will be made evidence that we doubt a drama vaccination without giving access to any human beings up to the vaccines. the risk of new body answer ada, very high, and we can not blame. also, these is another aspect that it's a for, as is that he's one of concern. we cannot, we cannot blame day. so definitely a scientist, a dual to hook for a heavy anger. i opened a door to the scientific community about these new discovery. it's i something so

egos and put at risk the future me goes maybe in the future, either county not discover, we'd not open the door to the discovery side or do this, i give you community, sir, for, for the fear to find her. it did, it did there. are there a closure? all that is sanction select. they will do sal, daphne our was affected dia, immediately after the all, me going one kovacs in w h o back program in developed and developing countries. they, they differ during the pandemic while they different priorities. do you think callbacks i think was a, was a good idea. unfortunately, e is not working as expected. so the number of distribution out of the vaccine. so i'll go on my callback sir, is i ism, is not so high aga, and we, we expected much more ride them. so general sheet from the international community and there, and there the idea. it was a good idea. he was there to, to give their priority and things of distribution by callback, sir, for the medical doctors to the nazis that are working on the front line. but

unfortunately this is working or less the 50 percent so far. so the numbers sell very, very, very law and this is her eyes and i did aspect of the international community should take as easily in consideration. so we have to do more intensive distribution. and giving access is, is basically your, your, your biggest concern is that there has to be more done to, to further spread vaccines around the world, particularly to the developing countries we're talking about is how do we do that though? this is about the will of the international community, the wheeler of decide that might aid the government and the political leaders. that this is the top priority. if we want to recover the 2nd pandemic also, which is a da da da da boy, a t and a social consequences of our all over the pandemic, we have to give access to live a scene. there is no other way. this is why am i repeating always these because diseases, what should be we, we should be focused on and, and we, we have to put pressure on the pharmaceutical companies or their european union,

the united states, the u. k. we vested the be unsolved dollars, sir. in the researcher due to the door to make this vaccine accessible. so why the buddhist count in the developing counties that, that they have not derived that to have access. so i think this should be a common board, not something that they belong to. they. it will be from a central young company and raleigh. let me finish. this is an important point. i'm not knife. this is a very complex issue, but i'm not double your lead of their political leaders. you wanted to be political leader just to deal with the complexity and they have to find, did they did the solution to give access to every one so, so he cannot win billy eyes and because it seems to me you're saying this has been politicized in, has it been politicized since the beginning there, bellamy did it on them. it has been politicized her. look at they did. they did the level of the fake news or did they even political leaders, so had to spread around the water. so this is something that unfortunate has been 40, this iser bukasa you test to do with the fear of the people. i tell you when you make

america anyway, when it, when it comes about fear of the community, when he comes up, they did it. many believe you are really there sir, are ready to jump in. this is part of the diesel jasa. as i thought to all of us is, is there a lot of propagation of fear behind all this, or perhaps the fear is warren, via theories. normally because arnold where every everything that either is new and could be potentially dental. this is something, this is something that everyone i should meet should be concerned or anger and but so then it's up to the political leader to follow. they, they advise is coming from their sankey community to least and not to them to walk with them to avoid her to. ready do to vote at the, on the same level and is also the media is an important responsibility, this mtv community and people there to read something on the, on, on google, i in the, on the, on the, on the very strange website and it bordner thousands worn around the da da da coffee, 19. this is this is a see to see show i saw is

a lesson and i'm seeing these because we learn from these less, some, not rowdy during that during the crisis. you're reading a more crisis. we are to red cross request center. we learned how is important to deal with the community and historically that this is saga. we are, we, we always had to deal with that. we defeat era and all of it were spreading the fagin. your was about our doors were up spreading idea disease around there. remember me lie my in the, in the 16 santori there, there when we had that the so definitely disease that, that did happen there mika and maloney that are important italian. right? they're brought down in that book about it. mm. oh. how that money printing is driving up the energy costs. and it's gonna

force bratia into the you. and for that to happen, nato and american military has got an exit germany. i call it air 1st. you say, i'm crazy, but that's what i'm calling on . i will show seemed wrong when i just don't hold any world is to say out this thing becomes the applicant an engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look some common ground with

bmw. as we understand, mr. rocker, the laser ports half of the entire country of afghanistan is facing starvation. how did we get to this point? this is a very serious question. concept from my from of course, very long time. and these you start to die before almost before decries is said, it will yield, watched on t v and, and watched read concern before all wooster. we saw in the last 2 years, the growth from 43 percent up to 55 percent, the level of poverty in day, in the little by an address in afghanistan. and i did the afghanistan is affected by non historical drought in many problems. his analogy political crazy self, cosa has aggravated this situation,

although only organizations getting involved with helping afghanistan at this point . and you said it's not just in the rural communities as also in the urban centers where people are starving nowadays. they're dd afghan with gross and he's doing great work scenes before we are working in 2021 probably is distributing for dustin community and assisting about vaccination programs. not about call read about other diseases and i saw we were present and if it national federation is present in the country, she's more than 20 years now. supporting people valve, the canister. but it's all changed to matt. now it's one of the shots that we are at. we are now with the winter coming. go into cold season, coming up. there are old condition for the best that you any day? a storm, a tragedy. so what are your priorities done in afghanistan? what comes top of the list for you to do there? to have to have the in of course, to have access and is, is we are talking with the taliban government on a daily basis on our own,

e dot and so far is workinger. and of course are disease at delegate point early. it's a, it is about the sanctions. and this is because it could be read that's up when you got to state that which is not. but so, but that you have to deal with the political consequences or we did, we did, we did the d constant when he did the political decision or having got on the life of the people are soul. we do need, we, we do need, ah, to war to have access to the cash to whatever, whatever the pool she bleeding to to work in a different form and down. now sanctions are affecting the wanted where we are working with. not only us, i do yours, you money to an organization, of course, but this is not the 1st time that i will even see that we are, we have exposing it, are you getting help from the international community when it comes to your projects? for example, afghanistan, is it just you guys there? are you getting the help you need? no, no, no, we are getting and we're, we are receiving go. we are using

a supporter. many government, sarah sustaining our, our, our project and then define said no to the, are providing fund sorts of why they're organization to the, to the un agencies. but then once again, that is a difficult that the process is very little about, i'm importing gold and, and all of these ice and something that he's every affected that when you've got a big job for you and your organizations in afghanistan, you've been there more than 20 years during what you can, let's now turn if we can to that other recent migrant crisis in europe. mr. rocker, a recent migrant crisis. as i know, you know, you are very well aware of the story at flared up on the poland that the beller roast border. how has the red cross been helping those people? they're not providing. i am providing food, assisting them in the, in the shelter. so we do restore fame, you lisa, and there did better with with this, both of the international federation i seen at the moment is they're doing a good job. of course, this is not, not a mid term,

a long term solution that area hosted in a sheltered area, but so far they are in a warmer environment. and then we are engaging in that discussion. we deal with the government of mendoza to find either solution. now for them, are you finding both statements or in minsk and in warsaw? are they both being helpful, or is there a bit of a combativeness going on? because at the end orientation ponder input on the unfortunately, we don't have access said to the border, you don't have access notice polio side of the border or not you asked or access to it. of course we have acts dying. we, we don't saw lisa. this is the eyes, the difference. and once again, this is not the beauty of 2nd can these of actor. so we, we, we, we don't have access, sir, and i'm going to got access to one side of the board of the bell russian side of the border. i didn't read it bearish inside the and that's what you've been handing out. the aid, the tense, the food, the joy close. actually this is juanita. it is what we are. this is what we are doing and the staff free stuff. me go. so you see the, once again,

the emotional reaction are coming to a p and level about these crises, which really is not the graduate be we are talking about few hundreds of people or someone else or a call that a day him the un security council for few hundreds of desperate people are seeking at the border. saw once again as this has been accused of some wine has been accused of using the mag ourself as a political tool. as a matter of fact, his straw, but his tool, not embarrass impala. now he's throw that up in a last year. i get bored getaway turkey and greece or he saw that now in u. k. i did it bait is very big straw that uniquely they did. there is a lot of denisia and the in the bag us, i use apple. you got to shoot front of it, but semen and, and, and another aspect, they mentioned turkey and greece. so now barrels fall under last year. it was a dirty and grease anonymity there and your router is open. we have the boss can

router a doors were stuck out with the boss. now it's nice to read. you can not got the desperation, they will always find that a route you can't stop. we, if we are fixing gracie sir, or that will then it fiction. the crisis missile rocket is the red cross helping with moving any of these microns to, to the final destination, like germany or the u. k. original family and so forth. we mediately engage the governments, because we know that many of the magnets there, destiny, of connection and families, a member of their families, are just leaving the country with this you nationwide to want to arrive. so we try to for, to the data and some location. eyes of computer norm we, we, we do, we, we, we, we, we achieve, these are a size that we ever, i read line mad sir. we are facilitated, be goes to, for example, you k, we have the british red cross with the french. what grove that you have is course, it's all we, we stay connected that through their store, family links and, and we, we, we facilitate a psychiatrist. okay. unions. because somewhat,

some of these migrants who are coming across to bella, russian polish border. quite a lot of them are from northern iraq as a courtesy on northern region of iraq. these are people coming from a war zone. these are people coming from years of war. they get to the european border, they get sprayed with some sort of a tear gas pepper spray soaking clothes, sub 0 temperatures. a lot of these people said enough, we're going to go back. we're going back to a former was on because it's better that than it is here. does that surprise you at all? no, i'm not surprised because this is not the 1st time that we are experiencing these to be, to be honest. and i am fortunate really am not even than disease. i said he's on a full consent for myself, that i'm not surprised about it. you will be an union now, and they were just county ira reacting in dealing with the human beings. this is and i'm wondering reducing global humanity because it's not about every county has the right to set that policy for migrations. we have not question. it's about idea

humanity on which we have to, to what to treat every human beings. this is the only point that we are racing. well said, my last, my last couple of questions for you before i let you go. i know you're very busy, man. why are you here in moscow? what are you doing in russia? at 1st studies and an import and gatherings, oh, gathering of volunteers. here here in moscow, i bought it won't. you're coming from different organization that dealt to we did. we did some damage. we did call, we'd 19 a colder we act together. but of course, also to meet a russian with cross lead a sheep, or there is a new core, so of the russian with cross. and so to support them to lisa now baldera expectation denzil, so puerto, from the international federation, amount of quoting temps, over future cooperation and collaboration. also the international level with the russian wrote about russian vaccines. are you guys considering bringing on russian vaccines to the red cross? so i met, i met yesterday, they did a mini, so vale and i,

and of course things and important expectations because dance of counties recognized that he spoke the vaccines. so we asked the erie the in the government or the russian federation due to supported levy and to facilitate the access to the equity, spoke mika, and i'm quite optimistic in minnesota promise me that is going to facilitate the bureaucracy. and, and i, and i may help said to give an answer. what did i say? it doesn't have a european, a headache, medical regulated health regulator, i should say picket. pardon? i still waiting, still, waiting to approve. wouldn't agree after all these months. and you mentioned to me recently that this, how this pandemic has been politicized when it comes to russian vaccines being approved by the european regulators. that seems like a case of blatant case of it being bullet politicize, or maybe i'm wrong or what to jump in that. what that, what are they did it because it's a very, very, very sensitive and valuable. you got questions. but as i said, and so of other countries in europe, are we ever, i think they're,

there we have enough fuck seats. we are talking about country that do not have access to live exceeds and man counties have recognized 80 this point because he now saw let's what we discount is a. this is a political dialogue. i do think that the something strange because it is not working. why the, i'm saying that this is not working for enough isabella. now from, from him, i know they are prolonging, got a discussion and this is something that, of course, posed some questions about the lease on why, but that is not up to me. i'm not, as i said, i'm not the medical doctor. would you agree that mr. mr. walker, at the end of the day, it's not politics. it should be people's health. exactly. exactly, exactly. mm ah,

what is the national mood? i suppose it depends on what kind of media you consume to say the nation is divided in highly partisan is an understatement. this is certainly what the national media wants us to think. what are we really so divided on what really matters? and you being a you all know that but they did a high middle now i only hear up my lad, that hill a pinnacle. i love you didn't thought, no, well, i'm going up there a bit, a well, i mean, a happy correlation. sperber i thought, ah, it's not in a blue a

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