is kevin with your services, sir? we rolling for about 2 hours now because of a story that came in from the coach straight tonight. let me update that for you and show you a map. i think a ukrainian navy ship earlier only been approaching the russian border of crime me as coach straight. but changed course at the last minute around 18 nautical miles from a very sensitive border. it's sailing away, back to port ukraine's defense minutes is saying the ship didn't break any international laws. russian are happy, we have not the official russian responses, but it was merely doing as a city correspondence said, just now what it would do. it's essentially very, there's a bridge there with communications across the railway motorway, very busy road anyway. and it's a place that sort of strategic importance. and it's the normal agreement that any vessels, especially military one going through that would 1st get the agreement of the russian side. more gas div senior correspondent, again, as far as we know tonight,

that's still stands. this boat, that was heading that way, broke off communications. and continued going that way, even though it hadn't told russia what it was doing, that's correct. still. what russia initially when it was contacted, it was asked, are you planning on crossing the strait ukrainian vessel, a command ship laid down, i believe 969. many times refurbished since, but it said that he wasn't planning them crossing the street. and after that it cut off all communication that refused hales at that. pressed on towards the straits, approaching to within 1918 nautical miles. i had told you that the closest that is very close, that is not quite in russia's terms, which was those extend 1212 miles usually. but the ukrainian

vessel obviously knew that the security situation in as fit as at all times, at all times high though it is always on alert, was watching for traffic and the russian f as b, the federal security services now come out and said that the behavior of the ukrainian vessel was provocative as well as dangerous for marine traffic. there are 80 various vessels in the vicinity of the strait, the try of the transit point crossing as we speak and all of that had been suspended while this this chase were was on the way the ukrainians. however, coming out and saying that they were well within their rights that they were transiting through ukraine's territory waters. and this command ship the was, was a peaceful search and rescue vessel search and rescue vishal vessel. that is what

the ukranian defense ministry has said. they have also issued the statement calling . everything with russia said, fake news. ah, that is where we stand now. the vessel has turned around and is heading back for port where it came from this morning. it set off at 9 am. all right, day perch is on the line of mind for you're still there. so therefore to bring you a microcassette to to say m. it torches. now purchase theory by russia taking over the world which shem i've gotta say. they've broken sense to say was that it was not the world i'm exaggerating, i'm being frivolous, but you get the drift and that was not back here by our steam colleagues, however, what was really going on here tonight? it was a bit clumsy, wasn't as far as the ukrainian sites concerned, a better. ah, what not heavy handed this fall from heavy handed a bit. i want to say cack handed. well, it's difficult to know you're doing the right thing in terms of escalating by jamie degrees, so as not to be accused of being too warlike. is diff to know in advance whether

what you're doing is going to have the right effect, how it's going to turn out and how the analysts are going to see it. it's difficult to know whether you're doing the right thing in the present time. and i think that has to do with them turning around. they probably had all the television networks on in the cabin of the ship. and they were making sure in real time that what they were doing had the desired effect and not one that was not desired. but in the present tense, it's difficult to know when you intend to escalate white tiny degrees, whether what you're doing is having the effect of putting you on top or making your seem like the victim or whatever effect the 2 players are attempting to try to create in world politics right now, it's all for the t. v cameras. it's all for the analyst and we won't know who won the day until enough of that analyst have weighed in and given the public opinion, it's about public opinion. yeah, marco gas is about public opinion. it was about making headlines. we touched on this earlier on this, it went to see me. it wasn't a mistake and it literally got lost. we're not sure that was the case,

but let's work on the theory that it was to make headline show way. what? so the headlines will come on to this in the morning then monica gas itch. possibly none in today because nothing much has actually happened as reference to it and to take the larger point. these incremental approach by the grading and sees to do with headline basically not been many or any headlines about what you've been doing or a considerable period recently, which is low level, appealing of the building, encroaching over of place beyond the agreement and taking over all those villages mostly abandoned to be in that no man's land, basically gradual, quiet line of encroachment upon bits in the west of general, not no, just being absolutely okay. so they won't get to his line. continue the headlines

about the phone, the russian invasion blank, which is going to be up for the weapons of mass destruction, and there is less boys for the companies of engine, usually supported by the western side. so this is another one for those who are headlines use. i don't know. i used to tell me to, oh yeah, they pack in store t code, but it's all going to die down. have you heard what mark had to say that you agree on all i did, and i will stand up and take my beating like a man. thank you, marco, for your honesty and i haven't checked with cnn yet. the source of my opinions, but i have been checking news quite a bit around the states today. and there's even less news making the screens in america than there is overseas right now. i think almost everyone in america has no idea. this has even happened. how dangerous could it have got tonight? i doubt seriously that either party was willing to escalate more than one or 2 of

these tiny degrees of incrementalism. that each is clearly trying to follow the path of before they get where they're going. whatever putin as a mine, he's nowhere near ready to do it, although is ready or then he was 6 months ago. and whatever ukraine has in mind, without american support and intervention, being even the remotest possibility that makes it more difficult for people on my side of the pond to analyze. because frankly, we don't know that much about what the status of the players are the allies and whether or not militarily they're ready for this or even in their own country. as you say, the don bashed region is going to end up coming down on the site of russia, and that's going to make everything more complicated for everyone, probably easier for kootenai that's got a lot to do with what his plans are, but we don't know what they are because the increments are too small at this point, or us to tell you, i'm going to go to a see to correspond it more, it goes even just a 2nd. this been something from potent believe about it. so i will tell us the 2nd . but going back to what we were saying then, so these headlines, if there are any,

i'm going to be kind of for the domestic audience that i'm going to pick up in internationally than tonight. you think back to you about what you thank was think we may have lost the lines of now as could more a guess if cd corresponded were a guess and the consensus says that that one, the smoke make huge international headlines in the morning. it was full, may be a home consumption, domestic consumption in ukraine. a rush will also make play headlines and as well. and note episode with filming this evening, pitch dark. the lights were out, and no pictures started to come through yet no murder. no, but this, this would have made international headlines if, if that ship had got another perhaps dozen miles towards the strait. undoubtedly, there would have been a very strong armed, perhaps russian reaction. but fortunately for all involved, whatever the ship's mission was, it was either canceled or you know,

they did what they came out to do. they caused a stir quite a stir ukrainians again and saying that this was a peaceful search and rescue vessel despite the fact that we know that this is a command ship and carrying out its mission in ukrainian territorial waters. her saying that it didn't enter any sensitive, sensitive areas, the russian federal security service monitoring the situation is stationed in the strait, where the security situation is always, you know, it's always are alert them saying that this is incredibly dangerous behavior by the ukrainian vessel as well as zap provoked, it provoked it because of how we chose to come approach this area without without replying to hails from other vessels. well that's the thing,

is he for his rushes concerned. if it responded in the wrong way, i suppose command would have told the fs be there at the military there that are patrolling that bridge, et cetera, et cetera. x is russian tells history from border to shall restraint. so don't land themselves in even hot water water delay. well that, that is anyone's guess what we know is that there would have been a russian reaction if, if what kind of thing. well, it could have been a could have been if it may have tried to ram it. of course, depending on how close it was to that, that critical bridge which he millions of vehicles pass over every year. there's also a separate, there's 2 bridges. want to move away the other a railroad booth. absolutely vital for crime. let's bring up, here's the map again to get a handle on it. if it just checking in with everything has been happening tonight and, and the story just get a handle on the coach. tried to see of as of why it's important what,

what the rules are there, et cetera. take us through it. well, extending from the greenery of the russian federation. i are 12 nautical miles. those are territorial waters of that war. does it belong to any country? but because of the un law of the sea, i vessels from nations that the border, the sea of as of may pass through the straight. because straight so long as they fall, a notification that they are planning on passing through the trade with authorities there. this is done for, for security reasons, primarily, but also to make sure that everything is running smoothly. and that are organized safe, safe manner because you have cars and trains passing overhead. and there's only a very narrow crossing under this bridge and as a huge amount of vessels that are always lined up to pass through as we speak there

around 80 vessels of all shapes and sizes. planning waiting their turn to pass through the straight. so you can imagine what sort of chaos would be cause of this huge military launch. it went through steam to the crossing irregardless of cues, line security and safety. obviously, this is all happening against the backdrop of hysteria, international hysteria, mainly coming from the united states. great britain, which have maintained for weeks now that marcia was on the verge of a verge of images, you may say whether also said that the satellite pictures, et cetera, would show the big building. whether it's the whole house initially that had that. what is it about initially they had shown satellite pictures, not from the ukrainian border, but from the bell russian border, which is a ours in the house away from, from ukraine. they have since backtracked somewhat. now we're hearing from the

white house that await the russians. haven't yet made the decision to invade ukraine. we've heard all manner of threats over the course of the last week. coming from the united states. we've all was heard warnings from the russians. a senior russian official today saying that we may yet here a repeat or something close to the cuban missile crisis, which is this, this is how are the russians believe dangerous and unpredictable? the situation is now how far relations have fallen collapsed between russia and the united states, primarily, but also perhaps great britain here as well. and this is again happening as the backdrop of a major. this isn't being talked about as much or at all. major ukrainian military build up at a, at the dumbass region in the east of ukraine, which is,

which is where there's consistent and constant fighting. the u. s. c. reports, violence has been on the up in, in recent weeks at vladimir putin himself. i believe we have the video has come out and has spoken with tremendous concern about what is happening in the east of ukraine. let's listen to that. then it's coming up per year comes. so somewhere i should say that russo phobias the 1st step towards genocidal. so what was going on and on bass now very much resembles genocide. we see it in your new router. but it has for many years said that it will stand by the people of dumbass, many of them. most of the vast majority ethnic russians and nic russians now, many of them jewels citizens of both ukraine and russia. passport holders. russia has helped them over the years with humanitarian aid,

to the tune of millions and millions of dollars. and it said that it has an obligation to do so given that v tremendous circumstances and the tremendous conditions horrific conditions that they labored with the constant shelling the blockades, the lack of food, and the constant danger of life in the air, in east than ukraine near the near the conflict line, but as consistently and help them. and it said it will continue to render them insistent until a peaceful resolution is reached for the conflict. but it said that the ball is in ukraine's court because ukraine must do something at 22 r t s. kick start the process of reconciliation with its eastern regions more. i'd stick with little bit more useful. nerve of recap for view is what's happened. we can take a short break for some ads. we come back to the minute deserts international. and

this more on this break in using say, in read at the bottom, the ticket that kevin, i will take you through it and work out ever since, correspondent, just to recap, if you just checked him with his earlier on the save, the ukrainian naval ship started moving towards a very sensitive air as far as rushes consent was a russian border, crimea curt straight. got to within about 18 nautical miles of the very last minute . it apparently hadn't given any, any indication to russia. it wanted to pass on to that straight border to go into the ceo of a self apparently the fs b who patrol that to border area repeatedly try to get in contact with it. there were, some comes within the comes of blacked out than we had said from the ukrainian side that they didn't know anything about said a boat, which is quite strange. you might believe we still don't know what happened re tonight. was it a provocation? was it not stay with us? we'll try and the scratch our heads work. how, what the heck was going on there when we're back after the break?

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oh, is 20 past midnight. moscow times is out international. hello. there won't big story. we talked about tonight. well it could, it got worse, but it didn't happen. the developing story, ukrainian navy ship or earlier on was approaching the russian border. crimea church straight, but then it changed course. this was about an hour or so ago. it's no sailing away from that sensitive area at the entrance to the sea of us off with ukraine's defense minister saying the ship didn't break any international laws. the former soviet repair vessel did not apparently send a request to end to russian waters and had ignored demands by the russian borders service to change. course. moscow said the ship posed a threat to navigational safety at the moment. i looked at the satellites and the

mapping, looking down about areas, some 80 civilian vessels are currently in the area. look at the map who just joining us to show you where this was to get to and long and it just takes a bit more as we zoom in. okay, well here's, i'm up showing where the ukranian ship was traveling at the time, from a port in the crater city of marielle poll, russian security services say the vessel came less than 33 kilometers from russia's coach straight at actually go close to them, not a think at one point, despite the ship reversing course, russia security services say it's still poses a threat. i gather that comment coming up from from them. now. that response coming out to man, she don't bus his reverse course away from the current straight. it is not responding to enquiries, the actions of the grant and ship's crew are regarded as provocative and

endangering navigational safety. dom boss is a command ship of the ukranian naval forces. it's a former soviet repair ship known in russia, a floating workshop called old build back in 1969 at a poli shipyard. and after the break coat of the soviet union, the breakup of it became part of the crate and military fleet name, then changed for a while to cross the dawn. but then again in 2001, it was renamed dawn bus, maybe a connection of what i'm tonight, maybe not part of the ukrainian navy, the vessels repeatedly taking part previously international military exercises. but we think tonight, on its way back to port crisis is averted to more guys have seen a correspondence been across this last few years? laura? yeah, it's all seems to be coming down tonight, but we still actually none the wiser. well, we have an idea maybe what went on, but there's no official substances proof that it was the provocation. we haven't heard to the country. it could have literally just lost its radio comes and it,

it could have got lost. but this is a command ship. it is doubtful the seats all of its radio system would have mild, functioned at the same time. we also heard mixed messages from the ukrainians from the ministry of defense. first, the they said this is the board to serve. the said that they had new information on motors that was up to and then we have the defense minister coming out and saying that this was indeed just a search and rescue that. so we know that this is, unless something is dramatically changed on board that this was a command ship of the ukrainian military. the fact that they had me, they had plans to make the core of a, of a battle group a see of as of ukrainian battle group. so it is very doubtful that he found something to search for and rescue just just miles just a little over

a dozen nautical miles away from the strait of courage, which they knew for well at ease, very heavily patrolled the heavily guarded and a very sensitive area. given the, the bridge that links crimea and russia bills recently, and that has a moot away railroad. and the very, very narrow transit points with a lot of traffic that 80 vessels i believe, as we speak, backed up there now waiting for their turn to pass. things had been suspended. the straight, i believe, was, was closed down temporarily. while this ukrainian vessel streamed full full of the trans and point, nevertheless, we've also heard from the russian f as be which called obviously just now the behavior of the ukrainian vessel provocative and dangerous because of all the marine traffic. that is, that is there waiting again for its turn to pass to that area as a se,

until the thought he's going to put a handle on it, investigate his get a better handle on until statements are made. officially, we don't know, it was a provocation. however, back in 2018, something pretty similar happened in it. well then again, yes, there were 3 ukrainian vessels naval vessels. there were 2 gun boats and a tug boat and they had they, they tried to make their way a ram their way through the street without asking for permission. so how the straight works is any, any ukrainian or russian vessel can, can pass so long as they can feed through the straight. but they have her follow request the notification to pass through the straight. this is again done for food safety, the security and safety reasons. because there's a lot of marine traffic and very low space. so vessels have to be guided through the shred, help along through the shred, and everything must be made sure to be as safe as possible. so in that case,

in 2018 and we, we were there, we were there the day after this incident happened to kate to a shoot out. because these 3 crenan vessels i get as an, as perhaps a statement as part of a statement. then claiming with her that crimea is ukrainian territory. they, they, they tried it maneuver, they tried to go through the straight without finding any notification without any sort of approval from authorities there. and that ended poorly. that was a shoot out. and the ukranian vessels were impounded. the sailors were arrested before being handed back to ukraine at the vessels as well, but, but given back to ukraine, a little later. fortunately of this, this didn't happen least time, but ever since then. and before then, ukraine has abided by the rules of transit. in the coach, in the strait of coach, they have always found a notification that they have always requested access. and everything is a, you know, as soon as butter till until now there is, of course,

all of this to incidence as coincidence it today, the un general assembly issued a resolution all but russia to allow the free passage aboard marine traffic to and from the adult see by the strait of coach or though that happened earlier. so it is unclear again what the ukrainians will be planning and achieving with this. if the f as be the ukrainian or russian federal security service, which, which god the board, which guards the the transit point, if they're to believe what this provocative incident, what the aim of it was that he believes i'm clear. is there any thought tonight that it was genuinely miscommunications and it got lost? well, again, as i said, it is incredibly unlikely that a command ship of the ukrainian military would have lost its way it let's see of as of 1st of all, it isn't all that big to begin with. and secondly,

there's all sorts of navigational systems and equipment of something rings. now there's always something a redundancy system in place. a backup system, a place of that, look they, they, they could have and they had sent an asshole signal all communicated that they had mob malfunction. somebody would have come to their rescue. the russians had rescued her marius fishing vessels, ukrainian fishing vessels in the sea of as a previous leader that there wouldn't be the problem. in this case, it is highly doubtful that they had assisted vera, or perhaps a machine malfunction. because of which they drifted towards the very secure, well guarded transit point or i were i'd thanks for bring this up to speed there right now, i'm guessing, but i think i'm right. we got martin dollars earlier. i remember germany's the left party. we've got martin summers on the line, an independent journal summers who shouting in my and maybe that's not the case.

and we've also got dave perkins or radio, some political analysts on the line. it was with us earlier on. all 3 guys i'm told out, look at that one is a modern technology are there with us. thanks for listening in. thanks for making the time. so who should we start? who wants to chip in 1st? it was it to a mistake or what is the provocation or who wants to give a thought or what? what's happened here? who 1st shall i go? because i haven't spoken. yes please. who is that 1st? smart in some hollow in high welcome to the transformations from the other fellows earlier on. i don't think it's a mistake. it's clearly not. it's brinkmann ship isn't it? of course, because of the incident you referred to earlier in 2018. the possibility of shooting. and you know, potential casualty is definitely there, so you don't have to go as far as breaking through the strait in order to create

the force that's been, that's been created. and the question is, why are they doing it? and it's to do with the politics in ukraine and in the u. s. and within nato, even when they talk to one side of the matters about the possibility of resolving things of the fractions. both in ukraine and elsewhere are determined to keep things on the boil. this is another example of that in my view, learning a pretty basic way of doing it a pretty i did use a word candidate to come think of a better one earlier on a pretty dark way to do. it's not given the sensitivity of everything going on at the moment as far as kind of concerned or not, or was it very over? they'd be very clever. yeah. what do you think? well, it's not clever. i mean, it's for the se brinkmann shit, but of course we've already how similar incident to jane to which could've easily led to the loss of life. i mean, it certainly led to people being captured in the shipping and pounded. and that's probably what would have happened here. and of course that's possibly what would have happened to the british destroyer,

if it hadn't scope it out of the center. it's over the waters of crime, the.