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i'm peter lavelle. you as president joe biden is hosting a virtual global summit on democracy. apparently, washington intends a nuclear said to save the world for democracy, at least as the foreign policy blob understands this political term. critics of this study claim, it's all about strategic polarization and an attempt at values based diplomacy. ah, cross sucking the democracy summit, i'm joined by my guest, scott ritter and dollar. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector in orlando. we have fiorella, isabel. she is an independent journalist and co host of the convo couch. and here in moscow we have alexi. now i'm of, he is an expert at the russian international affairs council or across acros. and in fact, that means he can jump anytime you want. now he's appreciate scott, let me go to you 1st here. what's the point of best some that, i mean i am really at a loss. i mean this is, it's that it's,

it's like 1950 or 1980 and the cold war is still going on. and can you actually in a, have a, a principal, i, you know, uniting principal around democracy in the world today because the u. s. has its own issues with democracy. i would imagine we, i've done countless numbers of programs on the democracy deficiency in the european union, and now we're doing it in 2021. what's your explanation? go ahead. scott. well, got a couple things. first of all, we have to understand that this is a campaign promise that was made by your by this is major foreign policy speech a back in july 2020. and the biden, you know, is, is premised his whole democracy campaign on the notion that america is a great country that had suffered egregiously under, for years of a donald trump. and that the key joe biden was going to build us back better. and,

and, you know, lead us on the world stage. joe biden recognized that the american brand leased his vision of it had been damaged by trump both at home and abroad. and that it was necessary to repair democracy. again, the buyer perspective on a simultaneous lee that we couldn't speak of simply your fiction, our problems at home, and then addressing the problems around the world. we had to do it in parallel. and, and that's one of the operating premises of this summit, is that, you know, the united states recognizes that it has problems at home, that it must address a. but at the same time, the united states has the potential of a to lead. now this is all fancy speak because this is the domestic political justification of what's really going on is that by has a world view of that. it's the united states versus the autocracies, united states versus russia, and china. and the purpose of the summit is to create,

trying to create a star contrast between those to the idealized vision america versus the overly propagandized pitcher that we've painted about the you know, the evil nature of a russian and chinese rule. it's, it's purely a propaganda ploy. yeah, i don't think i'm 60. yeah, let me got alexa here in moscow, i guess, you know, it's a, it's a crating, some kind of global alliance against russia against china. i guess also hungry hungry didn't get invited. ok. and you know, at the same time, ukraine is there, i suppose it's there because of the u. s. was behind a coup that over through the democratically elected government in february of 2014, so conveniently, they made it out on board here. alex a, this is just a farce. this is a propaganda effort here. and it countries have interests. they don't necessarily have values,

values and interests coincide. that's great. but values are do not ra rule. they never have and they never will on in, in international relations. go ahead. alexei. oh, well, democracy has always been into the shed of united states and it's no different now . you say it's not ninety's and not 9050. jo. buying does remember that the 1980s vividly and i think it's still lives in this mindset over the cold war of autocracies versus democracies. and what, what complicates it is that actually there is no other ideology that is as all encompassing, that is as global as the democracy, that do democracy ideology. so joe biden is playing cards that he's dealt, the u. s. is call arise, the level of political polarization, say the country is basically unseen, as is the times of civil war and democracy, something that can still get people under the banners because can still show that there is some unity left in the united states of america. so joe biden is, is, is,

is not, is not stupid, he's a smart man. and he knows that he has to use every tour of a shadow, even if the tool that we are looking at is not particularly fresh or not particularly convincing. and yet the ideal for ukraine being invited in turkey and not being invited to hungry, not being invited is basically shows the disconnect between the ideology and national interest. but our job id is using everything he has. and we, we, we should not discount that. we could call it a propaganda ploy, but if it's, if it gets you where some, you know, some value, some influence than joe, i think it has value for domestic reasons. as scott has says here, i don't think anybody really wants to. it's taking it very seriously, particularly if it's virtual. i have to do is turn on zoom. ok, let's go to orlando here. they in this isn't about democracy bureau. it's not. it's about neo liberalism. if you're on the side of the neo liberal ideology and they're using democracy as a mask. ok? because i mean a, as they were organizing this here they're,

they're disrupting the election. and in venezuela, they won't recognize the outcome in nicaragua because that's that they're the, they don't like those democratic outcomes. okay, that's why this is such a far, sir, and i think just about everybody involved knows that. and i don't think joe biden is a smart guy. he's hasn't proven that in public life at all. go ahead in orlando. yeah, i mean, i think we're all in agreement that this is the trex, right. the job in ministration is basically a continuation of the obama administration, if we're really honest. and the reality is that the united states is trying to wage a proxy war b, a ukraine. once again, we backed the united states back neo nazis in ukraine and 2014. and now they're using the excuse of, of military in you, in the russia, in the border. and we know the united states has more military bases than nearly any other country, any other nation in the world, and literally any other nation in the world. so we know this is all the tricks and

you're absolutely right peter. they refused to recognise nicaragua, they continue to sanction their the entire country. people are living in dire need right now i just got back from there. i also got back from under as, and we were really covering that as well in elections as well. the united states is refusing to recognize any of these countries and the job by the job, by them is in charge. really. that's the point i want to make. this is the continuation of the u. s. department, and of course their foreign policy. this is really nothing to do with the mocker. see, it's more of an, it's more of the tricks. and by the way, the united states government, the united states military, is very rich in talking about democracy when they're jailing journalists like julian assigned. and i mean, it's just, it's just to larry a for them to talk about a summit on democracy when in reality the united states is the number one persecutor of journalists and any sort of descent. and they're basically trying to

frame this as an attempt to really create more animosity towards china and russia. yeah, i'd like to also point out about the $500.00 plus people languishing in jail in the greater washington d. c. area because of january 6. okay. it's got, i mean the, the way i look at it here, this is, it's very reductionist thinking and here this is how it works. democracies versus a talker, sees us against them. good versus bad, legitimate versus illegitimate. that that's not a principle of international relations. is it a little, maybe it's something new that i haven't come across, go ahead. let's just keep in mind that the last time we had a great ideological struggle was in the cold war between the united states and the in the soviet union. and the reagan administration was guided by principles that were set forth by jean kirkpatrick who was the u. s. ambassador, the un, under reagan administration. and she wrote a, a seminal article in foreign affairs,

a magazine in 1979. that basically, you know, talked about a real politic in the need for united states to selectively embraced dictatorships yet because antis, we needed to support the bad guys to the when the overall struggle in, you know, that's, that's, that's the real world we live in. you know, bide moves in a fantasy world, he can't even get his ducks in order in that a jet july 20 speech i spoke of during the campaign. he bragged about the obama administration's outreach in the latin america, and he bragged about the success we had in el salvador on durish, guatemala think sagging. this is my success. you said 6 ads, you ought to think that yes, yes. and yet we didn't invite any of those countries to this so called democracy summit because they have failed. so. busy there's this is just absolute inconsistency for, for, for, for, for the, by the ministration. this,

if you're looking for a consistent theme, it's backed by reality, by fact, based data, you're not going to find a with this is, is a propaganda exercise. it's designed to create an us versus them mentality, but i'll just leave you with this thought. you know, when we have values based diplomacy, we fail egregiously. ethiopia, as a case, you know, we said ethiopia was one of these great success stories we, we did investment, their prime minister won the nobel peace prize, and now they have problems. they have a civil war, and we're back to the way we're sanctioning them because they're violating human rights. they're doing x, y, and z. no. who's stepped in and take it over china time. they don't have valuation diplomacy, real politics. and they're going to be really dominating africa because we're closing all the doors ourselves by insisting on standards that we ourselves know meet was kind of, i can say, before we go to the breaker, i mean, a part of the world that doesn't get enough press, but will i guarantee you is bosnia herzegovina, okay. the that the hash, the,

of the whole place that was made of the dayton accords. it's all unraveling and you and i knew this and a lot of other people, this is exactly what was going to happen. so where's the democracy? where's the self determination? all of that, no, you have these outside forces primarily in europe, dictating, nation building. people forget about this nation building project in bosnia herzegovina. and it's a complete dead end creating basically creating a narco state. and then you have the service, it's a, we never want it to be part of this thing and the 1st place and where walking and nato and other countries saying, no, you won't. and they are having a democracy summit at this time here we could give. so many examples here, okay, we're going to, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the democracy summit. stay with our team. ah ah

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it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change as obesity epidemic industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment. mm hm. what's driving the obesity epidemic? it's corporate. ah, welcome back across stock. we're all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing the democracy summit. i ok. it's good to alexi here in moscow. you're a smart guy. i've been told a lot about you. so, and that's one of the reasons we have you on the program. so i'm going to ask you about 2 phrases because i don't know what they mean. and because you're a smart guy, you're going to tell me what they mean. values based diplomacy, rules based order. would those phrases mean anything to you at all?

because i have no idea what they mean. as a matter of fact, when tony blake and speaks, i need an interpreter because i have no idea what he's talking about. go ahead. alexa, well, thank you very common, but it's not consider myself to be smarter than you. so i don't know the media is words either, but what i can say is the united states is currently thinks that it's, it's the peak of its power. it's, it's sliding very fast, but it still has a lot of cloud, a lot of merit. so what i think the u. s. trying to do is using the stitch phrases to actually try to rearrange the world order that we have since the end of our world war 2 national security adviser of the 9 states. jake solomon recently told us that you know this, this don't seem to work. so he may be right, because because we see agree blocks in the united nations security council, and we don't see that any, any actual diplomacy being done. so i think that you as a trying to catch the last moment it has to actually rearrange the world order in it's in his favor and it thinks that it can succeed it. mother, why does everything ask? mobilizes?

it's army to mobilize. is a, it's diplomatic mobilizes it's ideology. even if we say that the democratic ideology that states is a husk of its former self and it still has some power. so be united states is trying basically very hard to rearrange the world order. and russia is not as powerful as it was in the soviet time. so that is why think russia tries to preserve the order was created after the world war 2. so we have this clash, the struggle for the future of beach national relations for the future of diplomacy . and i think the united states is on the offensive here. and we're actually right to, to expose their, their efforts for what they really are. ok, let's go back to our lender, fiorella and jake's elvin was mentioned another political illiterate, okay. and another person i need a translator when he's talking well with what we're seeing here is, is it imposed universalism? this is of what the u. s. is attempting to do, and it has a lot of hard power to do it. and we,

and we tend to forget or the media likes to forget is that the power and now is sanction sanction every body. okay. and let god figured out apparently. okay. so and this is it, it's really abusive sanction, it's abuse of the dollar, which is very counterproductive to american hegemony. but that's, that, that's up to them to figure out here. and also, you know, this, this, imposed universalism, this is one size fits all. well, every political culture, every society is different. and i, i'm, i've sent it many, many times. i like democracy, i support democracy when it's real democracy and it really works. if it doesn't work, i could give a hoot. go ahead in orlando. yeah, i mean, this is the united states continuing their version of the monroe doctrine. i mean, this whole idea that they must be the police of the world that they will allow and decide who is a dictator and who isn't. i mean, the guest of honor is going to be one way go who is irrelevant as well, but you want to try to amp him up. and of course,

we're talking about sanctions continuing, not just, obviously in russia, but latin america and throughout the middle east. and the reality is that the united states is attempting to make itself look a lot more powerful than it is. we know that china is on the rise. the united states is losing power. it's no longer. i mean, it citizens feels a bronze of the post pandemic. i economy. i mean, the reality is most people are suffering right now. there's so much unemployment, the domestic issues of the united states i believe are starting to be. so a parents let the united states is trying to exert its sort of dominance, kind of like puppets chest in terms of foreign policy. but the vast majority of americans are not happy with joe biden. they're not happy with comma la harris, they're not happy with the current administration. the media makes it seem like it's otherwise left to the vast majority of americans. the idea of having a so i summit for democracy while bite and has gone back on every single promise.

he made students that forgiveness, you know, childcare credit, all of these things that he promised health care. he went back on all of these things. and so people are really, they have no, no desire to participate. this is why the media is answering so many journalists that are talking again the current regime. because now you can't even show this likes on youtube videos because bio was getting so many dislike on his videos that they were like, oh no, we absolutely can't allow people to see this. so, while the united states is talking about, you know, voting rights and better voting the united states, as some of the worst election systems i've gotten, experience here in compared to 3rd world countries. the united states is boating. this is an absolute just disaster in anna scott, i mean is using this democracy motif here and is this into conjuring up a new cold war because the cold war was very, very simple. you know, it was us and that it was a soviet in that it was an american, it's allies, i and,

and had some value. okay. i don't doubt that here. okay, that's fine with me. but it seems to me that people like biden and others, that's a very convenient way to maintain empire, you know, with democracy who's against democracy, that that's what i'm getting at it it's, it's very much a cover for maintaining had gemini, and the status quo, and is all of you have mentioned on this program that had gemini, is the diminishing with every passing day. and then, and the i see this democracy some, it is more for the american foreign policy, a lead to reassure itself that it's still in charge because it ain't go ahead. scott was keep in mind that during the cold war um, this, this note, and then we extended this sir, and we became the leader of the free world and, and during the cold war. but this, this ideological shroud was anchored on an on, on, on a framework that was solid. we were the most powerful military in the world. we

were the most powerful economy in the world. and we were asserting our power in the aftermath of a world war that had virtually destroyed all competition. and so, you know, we were able to sustain ourselves for, for decades. you know, in as if people say, well, you know, that's what we need to recreate, understand this one, this framework is corroded. we're not the most powerful military. what i mean it, we have the, if you include nuclear weapons, yes, we are. but you take where nuclear weapons and we're shadow, well we used to be, we used to be able to fight in when 2 and a half wars. i was our doctrine of, i don't think o it right now. we say we do one war but which i'm a control rush in china at the same time that's to, in my math. and then we still have a problem in the middle east at the half. we can't do that. so we're over extended militarily. and then when, when we talk about our economy, you know,

we got this reality called china. we've got brazil, we've got the 3rd world that is quickly coming in and we have the market change. they're not controlled by the united states, right? so a fantasy world, if we think we can recreate the dish and existed at the end of 2nd world war, it somehow sustain ourselves based on that model of the only thing we have going is this veneer of democracy. so i said that just a shroud and it will collapse in a stiff wind because the frameworks no longer there. yeah. well, having a solid dollar would probably be a better idea and they don't anymore. it got like saying the me, you know, instead of talking about democracy and all of this, why don't we talk about what everyone are more or less agrees with is international law, the trump administration, they didn't like international law, obama didn't biden, doesn't that none of them talk about, you know, most americans have no idea what international law is because they've never heard about it before. no one ever talks about it across the entire spectrum of media. no

one talks about international law. but when i look at china, india, russia, brazil, everybody talks about international law. ok. and if we would just have that, that is what everyone recognizes. but know we have values based diplomacy and rules based order. i have no idea what those phrases mean, but i know what international law is in almost every year, but every sovereign country at the united nations knows what international law is. the, the atlanta says, the washington consensus. that is an inconvenience. go ahead, alexei, i'm not sure the us is accustomed to to abide by the law. so that is what i does not. it does not really maybe on the loss and respect the law. so the problem with international law is that there's actually no one to enforce that. when you, when you, when you have nato, is the only power who could basically bomb countries and then bade countries or have the us military. and the only military who can i beg globally,

you do not have international law. you have the u. s. dictated international law. so the problem, the problem is that the national law does not work and everybody's trying to actually make it work. russia is trying to make it work chinese trying to make war, but the u. s. i don't think it's, they're really interested in making it work because it, because international law may make russia right on some issues, may china, right. and somebody here. and i don't think the us is likes to be told that it's not right on some of the issues and a couple of words about democracy. sure, it's not as powerful as it was before, but no actually has any alternative. china, but not constant talker system in russia, does not have done traditional value summit. so that's where the us actually seems to have the upper hand. i need to have something to show her for a while while we don't. and i think that international law is something that may help us driving forward, but i don't think until the us is taken off. it's purch asked a so super bowl or,

or, or until it realizes it is no longer a sales superpower. we cannot have a functioning international law unfortunately, where, when, where they have a countries as far as the united states, which does not really like to be told what to do and, and what is right and what is not really in orlando, you're agreeing, go jump in yeah, i know, like the united states, i mean the international law doesn't apply to the united states in the united states constantly violates international law via sanctions. the cooing, i mean, the country of under us just got through 12 years of struggle in attempting to, to get rid of a politician government. the us back in 2009 under secretary of state hillary clinton and the obama administration. the united states consistently is the reason why we have an immigration issue in europe because of the syrian refugees with more of a refugee issue that you have in europe. and that's because of the united states is a foreign policy in the middle east. so international law doesn't apply to anybody

. that is not a quote unquote ally of the united states. i mean, this is, this is the reality. and it's just a gigantic facade to, to, to the american people because the american people right now don't care about a summit on democracy that they lack and the rest of the world to seize the united states. once again, attempting to stay in the image of relevancy well doesn't have any more. i think a lot of americans are still trying to figure out what happened in 2020. we'll leave it at bad folks. many thanks, and i guess in delmar orlando and here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t c you next time. remember cross talk both the the video or recording when when is your video on monsieur carlos?

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