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how come to so because visionaries, me sophie shepherd, not say hypnosis. the line between trickery and science, one living unfold. why helping others explore their psychic? what's true or false about this somewhat the cult practice? well, ask paul mckenna, hypnotist, behavioral scientists and best selling author palmer cannot so great have younger show today. welcome. so where i was coming to tell you this morning, my friend asked me, who are eager to enter like pa mckenna, so that he's not british like he's a hypnotist. is this how you would want people to perceive you? i mean, i know you are a behavioral scientist, best selling author. but what are you for? i suppose. yes, hypnotist, i sometimes say influence. ah,

because i influence people to change their behaviors, you know, to live healthier, happier lives too. i also influence people in my cells message when i'm selling my wares. i mean, i have in the past, you know, been consulted by ad agencies than various other organizations. but yeah, essentially i'd use if i had your 2 parties were here to him. i guess i spoken to so many near a scientists and a pass and most of them say there is no such thing as hypnotism. i want to hear from you. you obviously think the opposite. scientifically speaking, what happens in a person's brain or mind? how does hypnosis work? okay, i would expect to nero scientists to say that because of ignorance, right? because in a neuroscientist, if you ask and you're a scientist and a philosopher what love is, they'll give you completely different descriptions, right? and both may be true, right? but i would say to a neuro scientist who believe in the nasr hypothesis stick love under a microscope. oh, you can't. now you can tell what love is by various changes,

chemically, electricity, elect, little literately within the way, the brain and body. i you can't put love under a microscope any more than you can put hypnosis. i would say everything sicknesses every communication. so if i ask you, could you pass the salt please? i've made a request for you to modify your behavior in accordance with my suggestion. so if you want the sort of the, the overview for hypnosis is it some, it's synonymous with deep relaxation. so very often the hypnotist asked people to close their eyes and relax and to go into a nice place or in a stage performance to, to forget that they're a bank clark, and become una ballerina or something like that for entertainment. and some people believe that hypnosis is a special state of might another people say there's no such thing. now you could argue it's impossible to say what the waking state of mind is. and i'm typically

map that by i'm prepared to believe there is such a thing cuz it's useful. and the other people that say as the nearest scientists did the really hypnosis is a form of social compliance. that people are just going along with suggestions because they believe they should because may be the social pressure or the you know that the, the power of the personality of the hypnotist and indeed all of those may be true. well i think well, accept now. okay, well i'm going to says none of that matters because all you have to look at is the results is the output. so in the scientific studies is hypnosis the most successful way in the world to lose weight or to quit smoking or overcome phobias? yes. so that's all we need to look at it. answer to what is hypnosis we'll have you said, you know, some people say a special state of mind. some people say social compliance. ah, some people say it's the loss of the multiplicity of the folk high of attention. so in our normal waking consciousness,

we might be focusing on all sorts of different things, where we focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else. and we become entrained to that. that is, are very often used as a description of hypnosis. so what would similarly b is you're watching television. you forget about the carpet cotton's a factor in a living room and you plug your experience into the tv. something romantic happens . you feel romantic feelings. it's only scary happens. you feel scared. you suspend belief in reality. and you literally follow the, the story if you like this on the television, and in a sense it knows this is similar. so will i hypnotize somebody? i'm train their attention, i hold their attention and i guide their attention where he is, i need to go to. so for example, if it so to overcome, say the fear of public speaking or get somebody to remember times they felt confident speaking to say, friends. and then we take those feelings and we mapped them in to speaking to a big audience. and they do that in their imagination before they go do it in the

real world. okay? so when you say keep, no, says, is a set of techniques the way you describe way that allows going beyond the boundaries of your usual behavior, right? yes, right. so when you do whatever it is that you do that you've just described it in someone's attention re directed to the desired point and then map it on to the mind . right? yeah. why are you appealing to? is it person's unconsciousness? is it? well? yes, that's a, that's a good question because it's widely accepted that we think with our conscious mind actively all day long. so that's the voice in i head that says, oh, i should do this or what about that? the unconscious mind is the larger mind. it's all of our wisdom, creativity. it keeps your heart beating you, your blood going through your brain brains. and in fact, when i go to say a sentence, i've got an idea in my conscious mind about what it is. i want to say the unconscious mind organizes all the words into a flow, so it makes sense. now,

how this can be used is as a child, we learn how to tie our shoe laces or brush our teeth, or indeed open a door. and the 1st few times we do it, we have to really think about it. yeah. and so we're consciously learning it, shouldn't. we consciously learning it? but when we've consciously learned it, we store the program like you have a programs in a computer, in the unconscious mind. so the next day we don't have to think we just to our shoe laces. we just open a door or to pass on consciousness already. that's, that's right, to what you guys, you're taken something conscious and you've made it unconscious. so when you get in a cut, we 1st learn to drive a car. you really have to concentrate. now what, after many years of driving you get in a car and you can go anywhere, you have to think, do i do this? you think where you're going to go? so you've made the process of the driving to some degree unconscious. oh, so it is there cautions that you're appealing to? yes, so for example, let's, let's look smoking. don't. are people a born wanting

a cigarette that has to learn and coffins flutter a few times. and then what happens is they use the crew chemicals in a cigarette to calm themselves down. so what happens is people go, feel stressed, have cigarette filters have cigarette and so after while it becomes an association link, a hypnotist goes to the unconscious and says, feel stressed, feel calm without cigarettes, feel stress, feel calm without cigarettes and creates a new pattern in the unconscious might are thinking process, like you said, it's such a complicated thing. this is just like set of patterns that shaped us and our lives ever since. we're kids. as i said it the, is it really possible just to change this firm sat system? yes, it is. now like anything, it doesn't always work for every one every single time. however, hypnosis works for most people, most of the time with most behavioral changes. so for example,

up until the age of 7, the experiences that you have, the have a lot of emotional intensity around them will tend to shape you. as aristotle said, give me the boy before he 7. i'll give you the man. so for example, say you, this is the reason public speaking is the number one phobia in the western world. you know, as a child, you stand up in the class, you read out loud. someone points are you mistakes, not people off, right? so it's a training course in how to, to feel judged and, and nervous. yeah. and so i'm, some of the experiences are negative that we have in our childhood and some a positive you do something and it gets positively reinforce, hey, well done, that was really good. and so you feel good from that you do it again and again. well i, i tried hypnosis couple of times it's never worked on me. i've heard the so many people that and too much in control of what i do and where we are and any to let go . and that's probably why doesn't work. but i want to ask you, why is it that some people are susceptible, tape, nurses, and theirs. and even though people are willing to do so, we see,

i think everyone's, sis is not really susceptible. every one can be hypnotized or do hypnosis because hypnosis is away. as i said earlier, of concentrating on one thing to the exclusion of others. many years ago it was a doctor, came to see me who he wanted me to help him something and i say, except i don't think i can be hypnotized, is on to in control of things. i said, so when you're in the operating theatre was the most the most the operation that requires the most concentration. it was some op filmic procedure to do the i, i said, so if i was standing next to you, i dropped something on the floor. would it make you joke? you? of course not. so i'm concentrating on that. i said, could you please do me a favor and recall the last operation you did like this? as vividly as possible. i saw his eyes go into a sad state into focus and i saw him focus the rest of the world disappeared. and he went off into what i would caller trance like state. so it's not really the

people can't be hypnotized. it's the hypnosis doesn't necessarily work for every problem every time. and that's down to several variables. the skill of the operator, the to some extent, the willingness of the person to participate. but then also the change that you're asking them to make. how it fits in with their mindset and also what it is they need from the world. so for example, every dysfunctional behavior that somebody has will have a positive intent at some level. so say for example, someone's phobic. they've been bitten by one dog, mistreated by one dentist, stuck in one elevator. then the mind forms a pattern that says we were in danger here and creates excessive fear the fight or flight response. every time they find themselves in the presence of a dog, dentist, or elevator, so it's over surviving. so you want to keep all of their ability to protect themselves. and yet at the same time,

not to be unnecessarily scared in future. so when you're prepared to be flexible in the way that you think and respond to the other person, you tend to get greater results. oh yeah. take a short break right now when we're back or continue talking to paul mckenna, world renowned hypnotist. about what is it no says and does it really work and who it works for? stay with us. ah ah, is it now young thing, are you? oh no, no, no, but they did

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it's called with an beckwith pol mckenna world without hypnotized. best selling author talking about the effects of hypnosis. paul, do you need special conditions to hypnotize? someone like make them relax? lay down to the home pep poll pendulum thing. i mean, i don't know is it, is it, is it a precondition to appropriate? no says or because i've seen you to that and people just show sas out. so. okay,

so it's a good question. so the, the pre conditions would be someone's focus of attention by the way. they don't have to like you, they don't have to believe you are going to do it. but if you can hold someone's attention, you can guide them where you want to the every day hypnotists in a sense all evangelists, you know, you don't feel like you're in a trance cuz you're wide awake. but you're focusing on the preacher to exclusion. everything else and the force of their personality salespeople cult leaders. these people are in the sense every day, hypnotists. i then of course there's people like me, i'm a therapist and so i use it to help people to overcome problems have a better life. so can anyone pretty much be a hypnotist and is it just set of skills or do you really need to have some sort of other and they are in a whatever. again, it is a skill set, but like any thing in life, some people they naturally feel an affinity with football while they naturally feel an affinity with chesley naturally feel an affinity with computers. and i think you

got to be fascinated by people and have us a particular mindset. be very good as a hypnotist. but can anyone be a hypnotist? yes. i mean in the sense parents are great hypnotists. you know, the things that they say you over and over again, those formative years, you know, they, that they, those have got the power of hypnotic suggestion. you know, so in a sense we're all hypnotists. yeah. i can't even tell yourself. yes. our i'm, i think again, every people do, don't they all day long. we either we were in our own trance, you know, thinking more shall i do for dinner tonight or who she looks i saw. ah, what i can imagine may be going out with her. what cetera, and you run a little movie in your head, you know, that's how we fall in love is some, is we meet somebody and then we think about how much are we getting on with them? and then we imagine spending time with them. and then we, you know, we inside our minds we, we run a whole fantasy of how well things to go. and in a sense that self hypnosis, the self hypnosis i find very interesting is you know like einstein for example,

would relax and go into a reverie, a daydream. and imagine when he was coming up with the theory of relativity traveling on a beam of light flashing a torch over it. another beam of light. tesla could design a machine inside his mind with such precision, he could build the same machine, start the 2 machines at the same time, and then calibrate to see which bits had worn down. great created people throughout history. einstein will disney churchill tesla, all referred to those day dream states where they got their creativity from to me, that's really no difference to self hypnosis and indeed, incorporations now are they do or think would strategic planning with executive sit down and they imagine going off into the future and seeing what product or services they go to offer and how they can pay it is a doing as well. so basically you're saying a set of meditation is hypnosis is, is in the same family. meditation tends to be generally about stilling the mind and about feeling good. hypnosis is in some respects,

more sophisticated because hypnosis is really all about is having a, a, an outcome. and that need necessarily just be relaxation feeling good. it can be accelerated learning, learning a particular skill, say in a fraction of the time it would normally take you. it can also be said clip no says sorry, tin trap. that includes visualization. it needs to have that element. yeah. it's very often it does. yes. so for example, in the same way the athletes train for an event doing what they call mental rehearsal, which is running every step of the racial unit, returning the tennis ball, you know, fighting their opponent and they do it in their imagination. so by the time they've actually come to do it in real life, they've trained their muscle memory through their imagination in the same way hypnotists do as well. you mentioned that anyone can, he can test himself, free sample will fall in love that. so it is the hypnosis but can you have

a patient who comes to you and you make them fall out of love? yes. really. yes. i think he can really adjust emotions. oh god. yeah. in fact, i've written a book all about it because some, when i was younger, i had my heart broken. and heartbreak is really to do with your future being canceled with somebody. so if you've imagined you'll be with them, but it's all beautiful. and one day they go, i'm leaving you suddenly, you futures cancelled, and they usually go and tell you why, cuz they don't want to feel bad for breaking your heart. so they make you the villain. oh, go, well, i'm leaving you because you, you know, you today says that all goes in to your, they tell you they're leaving, you go into shock. they go, these are the reasons why. at that moment you're very suggestible. so you then go through cuz i'm a bad person, the national wonderful. maybe i should change rather than they just didn't want to live with the fact they broken your heart so they demonize you how i help people get over. heartbreak is i get them to remember times. so how i get people over ha

break is because we have a natural mechanism within us to get over things. right. and so when we've decided we want to move on in a relationship, romantic or non, it's usually because the other person's done several things that we are doesn't work for me any more. i'm through. and so what a hypnotist does is artificially creates those gets you to go remember the times and you thought i'm really over it. i don't want to do that. i don't want to be this much enable. you do that again. it again any, any your imagination. so bad, you cross a threshold slide, the last straw that breaks a comes back. so is it like past life regression? well again, that's a very controversial area, and i remain open minded about these things. but yes, many people have tried past life regression. and you know, they found that they were roman soldier will, you know, queen elizabeth was on and, and also some people, a foundry, mundane things which then has checked out as being historically accurate. is there

a use for past life regression? that's a different question. i find future life progression much more interesting. so that is either going in this lifetime into what you imagine your future will be and seeing if you like having hindsight ahead of time. you know, so many years ago i went off to near the end of my life and i looked back and i thought, what do i wish i'd done more of them? what do i wish i'd done less of. i thought i wish i'd laughed more loved more been less competitive and worry less, you know. and so i brought that insight back. some people use future life progression to go into future lives. so, you know, if you're a buddhist, for example, you would believe in multiple lives. and so it's a way of getting a snapshot of your comma. so seeing who you might be in another life or multiple lives. and then bringing that insight back to now, and of course, whether this is real or not, it doesn't matter though really the question should be, is, is it useful?

and my experience is that it is, it is paola. everything that you can imagine in the past or the future is within years. so if it's within you, it's real, right? yes. and indeed it may not be within you. some people would say that perhaps you cross into other dimensions and all this stuff, i don't know, i just keep an open mind about these things because i'm, i used to be very rigid in my thinking about science. and of course, we know that science some is only really any good if it's got a date on it. so light is either particle, a wave, depending upon the century you're born in. you know, the earth was flat once upon a time that it was round. you know, the universe was, um, was a particular shape, you know, and um, so, and so there are many, whilst it's very good to be able to explain things scientifically, the boundaries of what is and isn't science is changing. so um, if you saying that you can take care of emotional sta during hypnosis and you can change people's habits, can you also take care of things like depression, yard,

or serious diseases as well? um, depression is usually an umbrella name for hold of on press, unprocessed emotions. also, depression is characterized with a depletion of serotonin doberman to the happy neurotransmitters. but as far as i'm concerned, even though they're a physiological aspects to it, it's a psychological disorder. and so are, for example, when people are depressed the way that they filter the world is in a to, to pretty, very simply a glass half empty way. they will, they will constantly call upon memories of times when things were bad. and they find it difficult to think about an optimistic future. now, that's partly neurochemical, but it's also partly the psychological pursue is that people bring to things. and so as a modern hypnotist and psychologist, we absolutely can treat depression and very successfully. what about diseases like

cancer alice speaking? not long ago till this is amazing. cancer alger stated acres and he says, patients who are positive about getting healthy, have 30 percent more chance to actually getting healthy. yes, there was a fantastic study done a few years ago in 2 people had terminal cancer and i had recovered had were in remission, let's say. and you know, some of the are done special diets. some of them have done visualization. some of them of use prayer, but what was interesting was that all of these people believe that what they were doing was would work for them. and so it does seem as though in remission from incurable diseases, belief and mindset play an important role. so that's, i'm saying if you're saying that you can change people's mind says, can you change really seek people might sense into thinking positively. so they have more chance of getting curate or yeah, i wouldn't. some outside, he would make any claims as to kid occurring. cancer, but can you get somebody in

a psychologically and then potentially physiologically better place to deal with such a disease? absolutely. so there's this and neuro biologist determine dick swap and he actually said it, you can't really fix your psychological vulnerabilities. there is no such way. i mean, you can, you just have to live with them. when you do hypnosis, what do you do? do you feel like you fix those vulnerabilities? ok. first he should stick to his field. right? and his neuro biologist, right? says his brain chemistry. and indeed, he is right in as much as you know that there is, we can't be the good set of genes. however, as we finding out our genetics are not fake. steven watson in crick said that you're look at lifts, work, for example. so i'm, you know, i understand from richard mindset from hard scientists like this, the, he, we think is all fixed. but we know that through, through simple psychological processes,

we can change our serotonin doevema levels our endorphins. we can change on your biology. and so, so i'm gonna actually step into his tough and say, look at a research, please. can i change somebody's mindset? of course, that's what i do all day long. you know that's, that's my job. and again, you can recall, look at the scientific research on this hypnosis as a behavioral change and a state in europe is illogical. state changer is amongst the best. yeah, and we're not just talking a few studies, we're talking tens of thousands of studies. thank you. so much ah, a new job but i she and i didn't battery video don't. michelle

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