to seek most powerful employer in such a situation, it's remarkably civilized, stole her watch, engine winds, its appeal against a ruling blocking julian sanchez extradition to the u. s. his case may now return to a lower court to be reheard. we speak with ricky leeks, editor in chief. this is not a case that is being forth on the basis of that law. this is an absolutely travis, do any legal process. sanchez case sparks anger around the world with rights groups noting it comes as britain takes part in a democracy summit that hales the west, supposed freedom of the press and the provocative and threatening action. russia slams ukraine over, an attempt to dangerously approach its maritime borders near crimea, taking tensions between the 2 states, to a new level. or that doesn't for me. a,

my colleague, column brain will be here in just under an hour's time with another full and fresh lecture, new statement. so this is our to international. glad to have with with hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter labelle . u. s. president joe biden is hosting a virtual global summit on democracy. apparently, washington intends a new crusade to save the world for democracy, at least as the foreign policy blob understands this political term. critics of this study claim, it's all about strategic polarization and an attempt at values based diplomacy. ah,

ah, cross sucking democracy summit, i'm joined by my guest, scott ritter and dollar. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector in orlando. we have berella, isabel, she is an independent journalist and co host of the convo couch. and here in moscow we have alexis, now i'm of, he is an expert at the russian international affairs council across like rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. now is appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. what's the point of best some that, i mean, i'm really at a loss. i mean, this is, it's not, it's if it's like 950 or 1980 and the cold war is still going on. and can you actually in a, have a, a principal, a union uniting principal around democracy in the world today because the u. s. has its own issues with democracy. i would imagine we have done countless numbers of programs on the democracy deficiency in the european union,

and now we're doing it in 2021. what's your explanation? go ahead. scott. well, got a couple things. first of all, we have to understand that this is a campaign promise that was made by joe, by this 1st major foreign policy speech a back in july 2020. and the biden, you know, is, is premised his whole of democracy campaign on the notion that america is a great country that had suffered egregiously under, for years of a donald trump. and that a, she jo bite was going to build us back better, and lead us on the world stage. joe biden recognized that the american brand least, his vision of it, had been damaged by trump both at home and abroad, and that it was necessary to repair democracy. again, the buy in perspective on, you know, simultaneous,

see that we couldn't speak of simply your friction our problems at home and then addressing the problems around the world. we had to do it in parallel. and, and that's one of the operating premises of this summit, is that, you know, the united states recognizes that it has problems at home, that it must address a. but at the same time, the united states has the potential of a to lead. now this is all fancy speak of this is the domestic political justification of what's really going on is that by has a world view of that. it's the united states versus the autocracies, united states versus russia and china. and the purpose of the summit is to current try and create a start contrast between those 2. the i utilized vision america versus the overly propagandized. a pitcher that we've painted about the, you know, the evil nature of a russian and chinese rule. it's, it's purely a propaganda ploy. i don't think i'm 60. yeah,

let me go to alexa here in moscow. i guess, you know, it's, it's, it creating some kind of global alliance against russia against china. i guess also hungry hungry didn't get invited. ok. oh, and you know, at the same time ukraine was there, i suppose it's there because of the u. s. was behind a coup that over through the democratically elected government in february of 2014, so conveniently, they made it on board here. i say this is just a farce. this is a propaganda after here. and it countries have interests. they don't necessarily have values. it values and interests coincide. that's great. but values are do not ra rule. they never have and they never will on, in international relations. go ahead. alexei. well, democracy has always been into the shed of united states and it's no different now . you say it's not ninety's and not now. you see joe buying does remember the 1980s vividly and i think is still waves of this mindset over the cold war of autocracies

versus democracies. and what complicates it is that actually there is no other ideology that is as all encompassing, that is as global as the democracy, that democracy ideology. so joe biden is playing cards these belt, the u. s. is call arise, the level of political polarization inside the country is basically unseen since the times of civil war and democracy, something that can still get people under the banner because can still show that there is some unity left in the united states of america. so joe biden is, is, is, is not, is not stupid, he's a smart man. and he knows that he has to use every tour of a shadow, even if the tool that we are looking at is not particularly fresh or not particularly convincing. and yet the ideal for ukraine being invited in turkey not being invited, a hungry not being invited is basically shows the disconnect between the ideology and national interest. but our job,

i'm using everything he has and we should not be gone that we could call it a propaganda ploy. but if it's, if it gets you where some, you know, some value, some influence than joe i and i, i think it has value for domestic reasons. as scott has says here, i don't think anybody really wants to is taking it very seriously, particularly if it's virtual. i have to do is turn on zoom. ok, let's go to orlando here. they in this isn't about democracy 0. it's not, it's about neo liberalism. if you're on the side of the neo liberal ideology and they're using democracy as a mask. ok? because i mean a, as a organizing this here they're, they're disrupting the election in, in venezuela. they won't recognize the outcome in nicaragua because that's that they're the, they don't like those democratic outcomes. okay, that's why this is such a far, sir, and i think just about everybody involved knows that. and i don't think joe biden is a smart guy. he hasn't proven that in public life at all. go ahead and orlando. yeah, i mean, i think we're all in agreement that this is the abstract, right?

the job in administration is basically a continuation of the obama administration, if we're really honest. and the reality is that the united states is trying to wage a proxy war, be a ukraine. once again, we back united states back neo nazis in ukraine in 2014. and now they're using the excuse of, of military in the, you, in the russia, in the quarter. and we know the united states has more military bases than nearly any other country, any other nation in the world, and literally any other nation in the world. so we know this is all the tricks and you're absolutely right peter, they refused to recognize nicaragua, they continue to sanction their the, the entire country. people are living in in dire need right now i just got back from there. i also got back from under as, and we were really covering that as well in elections as well. the united states is refusing to recognize any of these countries and the job. i didn't, jo,

my name isn't in charge really, a point i want to make this is the continuation of the us state department and of course their foreign policy. this is really nothing to do with democracy. it's more of an, it's more of the tricks and by the way, the united states government, the united states military, is very rich in talking about democracy when they're jailing journalists like julian assigned. and i mean, it's just, it's just delirious for them to talk about a summit on democracy when in reality the united states is the number one persecutor of journalists and any sort of descent. and they're basically trying to frame this as an attempt to really create more animosity towards china and russia. yeah, in a, i'd like to also point out about the $500.00 plus people's languishing in jail in the greater washington d. c. area because of january 6. okay, scott, i mean the, the way i look at it here, this is, it's very reductionist in their thinking. and here, this is how it works. democracies versus

a talk receives us against them. good versus bad, legitimate versus illegitimate. that, that's not a principle of international relations. is it a real? maybe it's something new that i haven't come across go ahead. well, this is, keep in mind that the last time we had a great ideological struggle was in the cold war between the united states and the in the soviet union. and the reagan administration was guided by principles that were set forth by jean kirkpatrick who was the u. s. ambassador, the un, under reagan administration. and she wrote a, a seminal article in foreign affairs, a magazine in 1979. that basically, you know, talked about the real politic and the need for united states to selectively embraced dictatorships yet because the antis we needed to support the bad guys to the when the overall struggle in, you know, that's, that's, that's the real world we live in. you know, bide lives in a fantasy world. he can't even get his ducks in order in that

a jet july 20 speech i spoke of during the campaign. he bragged about the obama administration's outreach in the latin america, and he bragged about the success we had in el salvador on durish, guatemala sick, sagging. these are my success. you sent. think that you often think that yes and yet we didn't invite any of those countries to this so called democracy summit because of a failed. so. busy there's this is just absolute inconsistency for, for, for, for, for the, by the ministration. this, if you're looking for a consistent theme, it's backed by reality, by fact, based data. you're not going to find it with this is, is a propaganda exercise. it's designed to create an us versus them mentality, but i'll just leave you with this thought. you know, when we have values based diplomacy, we fail egregiously. ethiopia, as a case, you know, we said ethiopia is one of these great success stories we are. we did investment

their prime minister won the nobel peace prize, and now they have problems. they have a civil war and we're backing away. we're sanctioning them because they're violating human rights. they're doing x, y, and z. no. who's stepped in and taken over china time. they don't have a base diplomacy here, real politics. and they're going to be really dominating africa because we're closing all the doors ourselves by insisting on standards that we ourselves know meet was kind of, i can say, before we go to the breaker, i mean, a part of the world that doesn't get enough press, but will i guarantee you is bosnia herzegovina, okay. the that the hash, the, of the whole place that was made of the dayton accords. it's all unraveling and you and i knew this and a lot of other people, this is exactly what was going to happen. so where's the democracy? where's the self determination? all of that, no, you have these outside forces primarily in europe, dictating, nation building. people forget about this nation building project in bosnia herzegovina, and it's a complete dead and creating basically creating

a narco state. and then you have the service, it's a, we never want to be part of this thing in the 1st place. and where walking and nato and other countries saying, no, you won't. and they're having a democracy summit at this time here. we could give so many examples here. okay, we're going to, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the democracy summit. stay with our team. ah, ah o, we've talked about the rising chance of civil war and america, and it could either be between the ab yachts and the have nots. it could be between the big coin stays like texas or florida between a non bitcoin states. but the rising tension is comparable because of the rise and

genie coefficient as is now in the spread between the very top and, and the bottom is getting extremely wide. oh right now there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or. busy obese, it's profitable to sell food. this is tracy and sugary and salty and addicted. it's not at the individual level, it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change this obesity epidemic, that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment. mm. so what's driving the obesity epidemic? it's corporate. ah, welcome back across stock. we're all things considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing the democracy summit.

i okay, it's good to alexi here in moscow. you're a smart guy. i've been told a lot about you so, and that's one of the reasons we have you on the program. so i'm going to ask you about 2 phrases because i don't know what they mean. and because you're a smart guy, you're going to tell me what they mean. values based diplomacy, rules based order. would those phrases mean anything to you at all? because i have no idea what they mean. as a matter of fact, when tony blake and speaks, i need an interpreter cuz i have no idea what he's talking about. go ahead. alexa, well, thank you very common, but it's not consider myself to be smarter than you. so i and all the media is words either by what i can say is the united states is currently thinks that it's, it's at the peak of its power it's, it's sliding very fast, but it still has a lot of cloud, a lot of merit. so what i think the us trying to do is using these stitch frasers to actually try to rearrange the world order that we have since the end of our

world war 2 national security advisor of united states. james sullivan recently told us that you know this, this don't seem to work. so he may be right, because because we see agree blocks in the united nations security council and we don't see that any, any actual to policy being done. so i think that the u. s. trying to catch the last moment. it has to actually rearrange the world order in as in his favor. and it thinks that it can succeed. it mobilizes everything as it mobilizes its army to mobilize. its diplomatic mobilizes its ideology, even if we say that the demo democratic ideology of united states is a husk of its former self. and it still has some power. so be united states is trying basically very hard to rearrange the world order. and russia is not as powerful as it was in the soviet time. so that is why think russia tries to preserve or it was created after the world war 2. so we have this clash, the struggle for the future of international relations for the future of diplomacy

. and i think the united states is on the offensive here, and we're actually right to, to expose their, their efforts for what they really are. ok, let's go back to our lender, fiorella and jake's elvin was mentioned another political illiterate ok. and another person i need a translator when he's talking or well, when we're saying, here's an imposed universalism, this is a what the u. s. is attempting to do, and it has a lot of hard power to do it. and we, and we tend to forget or the media likes to forget is that the power and now is sanction sanction everybody. ok and let god figure it out apparently. ok. so and that this is it, it's really abusive. sanction. it's abuse of the dollar, which is very counter productive to american hegemony. but that's that, that's up to them to figure out here. also, you know, this is imposed universalism. this is one size fits all. well, every political culture, every society is different. and i, i've sent it many, many times. i like democracy, i support democracy when it's real democracy and it really works. if it doesn't

work, i could give a hoot, go ahead and orlando. yeah, i mean, this is the united states continuing their version of the monroe doctrine. i mean, this whole idea that they must be the police of the world that they will allow and decide who is a dictator and who isn't. i mean, the guest of honor is going to be one way go who is irrelevant. that is what you want to try to pick up. and of course we're talking about sanctions continuing, not just, obviously in russia, but latin america and throughout the middle east. and the reality is the united states is attempting to, can make itself look a lot more powerful than it is. we know that china is on the rise. the united states is losing power. it's no longer. i mean, it citizens feels a brunt of the post pandemic. i economy. i mean, the reality is most people are suffering right now. there's so much unemployment, the domestic issues of the united states i believe are starting to be. so

a parents that the united states is trying to exert its sort of dominance, kind of like puppets chest in terms of foreign policy. but the vast majority of americans are not happy with joe biden. they're not happy with common harris. they're not happy with the current administration. the media makes it seem like it's otherwise left to the vast majority of americans. the idea of having a, a summit for democracy while bite has gone back on every single promise. he made students that forgiveness, you know, childcare credit, all of the things that he promised health care. he went back on all of these things . and so people are really, they have no, no desire to participate. this is why the media centering so many journalists that are talking again the current regime. because now you can't even show dislikes on youtube videos because by and was getting so many dislikes on his videos that they were like, oh no, we absolutely can't allow people to see this. so,

while the united states is talking about, you know, voting rights and better voting, the united states has some of the worst election systems i've gotten. experience here in compared to 3rd world countries. the united states voting system is an absolute just disaster. in anna scott, i mean is using this democracy motif here is this into conjuring up a new cold war because the cold war was very, very simple. you know, it was us and that it was a soviet in that was an american, it's allies, i and, and had some value. okay. i don't doubt that here. okay, that's fine with me. but it seems to me that when people like biden and others, that's a very convenient way to maintain empire with democracy, who's against democracy, that that's what i'm getting at it it's, it's very much a cover for maintaining had gemini, and the status quo and is all of you have mentioned on this program that had gemini, is the diminishing with every passing day. and then, and i see this democracy some, it is more for the american foreign policy,

a lead to reassure itself that it's still in charge because it ain't go ahead. scott, let's keep in mind that during the cold war, um, is this, this notion of democracy ill because we were the forge of democracy during world war 2. and then we extended this and we became the leader of the free world. and, and during the cold war, but this, this ideological shroud was anchored on and on, on, on a framework that was solid. we were the most powerful military in the world. we were the most powerful economy in the world. and we were asserting our power in the aftermath of a world war that had virtually destroyed all competition. and so, you know, we were able to sustain ourselves for decade. so, you know, and as if people say, well, you know, that's what we need to recreate, understand this one, this framework is corroded. we're not the most powerful military where i mean it,

we have the, if you include nuclear weapons, yes we are. but um you take where nuclear weapons and we're shadow, well we used to be, we used to be able to fight in when 2 and a half wars. i was our doctrine of, i don't think o it right now. we say we do one war. but which i'm a controlled rush in china at the same time that's to, in my math. and then we saw the problem in the middle east at the half. we can't do that. so we're over extended militarily. and then when we talk about our economy, you know, we got this reality called china. we've got brazil, we've got the 3rd world that is quickly coming in. and we have a new market change. they're not controlled by the united states, right? so we want a fantasy world, if we think we can recreate the dish and existed at the end of 2nd world war at some how sustain ourselves based on that model of the only thing we have going is this veneer of democracy. so i said that just a shroud and it will collapse in

a stiff one because the frameworks no longer there. yeah. well, having a sol dollar would probably be a better idea and they don't any more like say in the me, you know, instead of talking about democracy in all of this, why don't we talk about what everyone or more or less agrees with is international law. the trump administration, they didn't like international law. obama didn't biden, doesn't that none of them talk about, you know, most americans have no idea what international law is because it never heard about it before. no one ever talks about it across the entire spectrum of media. no one talks about international law. when i look at china, india, russia, brazil, everybody talks about international law. ok. and if we would just to have that, that is what everyone recognizes. but now we have values based diplomacy and rules based order. i have no idea what those phrases mean, but i know what international law is in almost every year, but every sovereign country at the united nations knows what international law is.

the the, the atlanta says, the washington consensus. that is an inconvenience. go ahead. alexei, i'm not sure the u. s. is accustomed to abide by the law, so that is why he does not. it is not really maybe on the law and respect the law. so the problem with international law is that there's actually no one to enforce it . when you, when you have nino, is the only power who basically bomb countries and, and bait countries or have the u. s. military is the only military. how can i beg, globally, you do not have international law. you have the u. s. dictated international law. so the problem, the problem is this, the international law does not work and everybody's trying to actually make it work rush, he's trying to make it work chinese trying to make war. but the u. s. i think it's really interested in making it work because international law may make russia right on some issues may make china, right. is some issues. and i think that the u. s. is likes to be told that it's not right on some of the issues and a couple of words about democracy. sure,

it's not as powerful as it was before, but no one actually has any alternative. china, but not constant tucker system in russia does not hosta, and i don't know traditional value summit. so that's where the us actually seems to have the upper hand. i mean, it has something to show for a for a while while we don't. and i think that international law is something that may help us driving forward, but i don't think until the us is taken off. it's purch asked a so super power or, or until it realize that it is no longer a sell super power. we cannot have a functioning is national law. unfortunately, when the, when they have a countries, as far as the united states, which does not real like to be told what to do and, and what is right and what is not really in orlando, you're agreeing, go jump in. yeah, i know, like the united states, i mean the international law doesn't apply to the united states in the united states constantly violates international law via sanctions. the cooing. i mean,

the country under us just got through 12 years of struggle in attempting to, oh, to get rid of a politician government. that's the us back in 2009 under secretary of state hillary clinton and the obama administration. the united states consistently is the reason why we have an immigration issue in europe because of the syrian refugees. it's more of a refugee issue that you have in europe, and that's because of the united states is a foreign policy in the middle east. so international law doesn't apply to anybody . that is not a quote unquote ally of, of the united states. i mean, this is, this is the reality, and it's just a gigantic facade to, to, to the american people. because the american people right now don't care about a summit on democracy that they lag, and the rest of the world to seize the united states. once again, attempting to stay in the image of relevancy well,

it doesn't have any more. i think a lot of americans are still trying to figure out what happened in 2020. we'll leave it at bad folks. many thanks them i guess in delmar orlando. and here in moscow, and thanks to our be worth for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember, cross top growth the ah, ah, the breaking total source labor for stress. ah, industrial injury corporal punishment.

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