leonard peltier is that we can kind, we can finally start to deal with the issues of our tortured relationship with the native american community. what they need to do is say, let's release lender, but to admit the mistakes of the past, let's start to try and keep that relationship. jessica chart, thank you. thank you. that's over the show will be back on monday when we speak to a man detained for 14 years at the usa, defacto infamous torture camp in occupied cuba. guantanamo still open today, despite the hours from washington, shut it down until then he went out to my social media and get in touch to let us know if you think biden should roy clemency to leonard peltier. ah ah, um ah ah

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our reproductive system. with the tiniest observable doses, it can have devastating effects. in other words, between the dos and the effect of a product. research is starting to find some very unexpected relationships, and this is shaking off the world of toxicologists. 8 we were rejecting their dog law, the toxicology community has not accepted it. they said we reject this. the resistance of the toxicologist was well intentioned. it was also providential for the manufacturers of plastics. it's not always that people intentionally want to derail science. some people unwittingly, through no fault of their own can at times be pawns in other people's efforts to produce strategic ignorance. there are many ways that ignorance is produced. some of them are malevolent, some of them are inadvertent,

some of them are well intentioned, but end up having these, these outcomes. and i think it's actually extremely important for us to study the broad question of how ignorance is produced. because not everyone who produces ignorance is necessarily evil. but some of these people are the plastics industry gives financial backing to alternative research thanks to which it spokespeople can proclaim year after year, that low doses are without danger. more than 100 independent studies have shown that real life, roger to b j is about a 1000 times below the safe intake limit set by i'm saying one thing industry is saying another. and there needed to be explanations of how the difference was occurring. vom south wanted to understand he collected studies, published on the subject and as a true ag, natalia just he started investigating to find out why their conclusions diverged.

during that time i didn't get a lot of sleep. i drank a lot of coffee, is conclusion. 93 percent of public studies ascertained to the harmful effects of bis phenol a at very weak doses. whereas none of the studies financed by the industry did he finally grasped the major reason for this difference. much better than a lie, a genuine conjuring trick in the laboratories. they put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how do. ready we do a study that shows no effects of this chemical. how do you go about it? first, you find the right animal model that starts with these catalogs of laboratory mice and rats. you can choose them according to their biological parameters. you order them tailor made customized to the needs of the experiment you plan to carry out. then they're dispatched directly to your lab. the industry

groups were using a very strange animal to try to show that this fain all lay cause no arm. if you are interested in showing that between a lay is not estrogenic. you would select, if they not wrapped in which between a lay does not become an ester genic compact. so you healthily, very careful about them more than you chose, because you'll continue their own model. and you can choose their own mother because you the no. or you can trust them only because you know to well, how can you do this? taylor made rat to prove the innocence of bis fina les another success trick by the illusionist of science. thus, the most insidious, offensive or hidden in the details,

such as in the research protocols. this group of rules so tricky to put in place which guarantee the seriousness of a study. it only takes a corrupted protocol or a broken rule to shove, scientific progress off the rails. what's at stake hears evidence based policy making. whether policy is based on the best available evidence or by the policy is designed to satisfy a particular industry in their pursuit of profit will do to media. bdo did the meanest thing. the manufacturers of ignorance have a target of the assemblies and parliaments of our democracies, which will ban or authorize a suspect product. devote at the bernie zillow per see what they're said to put was shouldered, walk the moment we give up on evidence based policy making. we've given up on democracy, e put, they told they won't let each middle merely be. boy, please don't be speeded up to the point on that day. the french parliament banned

the guilty baby bottles, but the ban concerns one single into chron disruptor present in one single product sold in one single country. a small victory 20 years after the 1st alarm bells ring . a serious public health problem therefore continues to be covered up among the population. we're seeing a sharp increase in metabolic troubles, obesity, diabetes hormone dependent cancers, neuro bi, if you're all disorders and in fertility. why in this explosion of cases and different disruptors are the prime suspects because everybody's organism is impregnated with them. meanwhile, the defenders of the plastics industry continue to so doubt the progress of a chemical and your body does not work as harmful anyone. rubicon, with such affirmations are spread on the internet with us.

on our screens, many organizations with no apparent links to the industry. talk about this final, a sources of energy, the dying out of bees, the climate, food supplements, animal well being shale oil and so on. on the internet may to measure science is spreading and the target here is the general public us and our opinions. because today to say whether we're pro or anti diesel homeopathy or raping. we click on like we tweet, we retweet. this is now public opinion anonymous, yet global social networks seem to be the ideal form for misleading all debate. 2 6 in this building, people keep an eye on this global discussion. oh,

perfect posture, c o is jillian. the institute is he stem complex. his home to mathematicians, i t experts and data specialist. we are all going to go more through like when, when they develop tools to analyze the permanent conversation on social networks. warburg, are treated hubbard. austria rolled over 3 months that each habit of yes and his team have analyzed $20000000.00 posts on the climate. the all come from twitter and spread across the globe, species are likely to disappear soon, who is talking to home and how to the climate skeptics and their adversaries dual over this virtual space. the team has put together a system with which we can visualize this giant controversy and audio north america . a dot is one person aligned between 2 people means that one of them has passed on the other's post. the more we pass on each other's post,

the closer the dots get approved. it is what one of these young who do come to pine land before their eyes, the world's biggest scientific debate it hears well issue on a loss. on the, on twitter ocoee formula community, the key mentorship ticket you were bianca said, grew into the key math with 50 k, previous doctor duluth. community kick was shrewd. they call to key 4 course austria so, so luckily mom loan, i can remember thank out in court on, on a ribbon i once the debate is rendered observable by john, what can we conclude person vessels for this particular just realized. lucky oftentimes is a little huntington is on. it's one of one moment. whoa, it is to fix this either quickly. reynolds. the consider electoral results show active. a unique won't you on the bus home you tweet to results reduce on retreat on. you don't see seattle choir clay, good industry taylor, this is daniella. should i ask you this? if you not, to the hardcore spreading his arguments in astronomical quantities. that's the

asset of the climate skeptics in this battle for territory political enough to keep the community alive. despite the gathering evidence. for the almost unanimous scientific community, global warming is unequivocal, and the impact of man is evident. this consensus however doesn't impose itself on the web web sanker category, a lawyer the faith chelsea yet did not see ali. this came into city a simple dawson ma. those were both green, deepest goose as a boot off. after the moment you don't get your actual jessie immune you there, she'll do twice. you the cool of a, you know the, it is was through the fair guides. if you read visible paso groaning, those and all of you all know nobody's it don't. sonya was, was you dignity? do? said tyler napoleon paused. you'll have to think you'd be mold munoz. he signed on to look by yost, who propagates climate skeptical,

fought and why. let's go back to the posts. take for example, this twitter account called part land institute. what is there behind this dot? ah, the heartland institute is this house set off a quiet street. its offices are completely calm. and yet read one of the most reputed thing tanks in the world. here they produce tweets, but also articles, conferences and books. the heartland institute has its expert on climate matters and its director of communication. neither of them is a scientist which doesn't prevent this organization from massively spreading contrarian science on the climate. the best scientific evidence indicates there is

no climate crisis. in fact, it's pretty strong that we're not facing on either. the harlot institute is globally known for our work. oh it with scientists who are skeptical that humans are causing a climate crisis. and we are actually paid it probably by law heavily people around the world for, for that because we're well known for that. when the climate skeptic community meets up the heartland institute always tops the bill. as the sponsor or coach sponsor of conferences like this one in munich, germany, one via the invoicing and i courage you to share the truth and sure ways of finding the truth with people because that is the only way that the scientific method will prevail. sound science went out. who are the researchers who continue to doubt despite the consensus? are they skeptics because they're more conscientious, more rigorous than the others? what rational basis is there for saying that a little bit of warmer weather would be

a bad thing. there is no basis for any are they paid by the oil industry to deny the effects of c o 2 on the climate? we do not face a catastrophe of rising sea level. it's customary to look for shared interests between climate skeptics and the industry. but according to now me arrest, guess the best explanation lies elsewhere. as a historian, she has studied the career paths of the 1st scientist to express doubts about climate change. some eminent physicists and what we found by reading their papers mean their diaries mean their letters to each other. that the motivation was not primarily money. it was ideological. ah, these men had been very prominent in the cold war, and they believe very deeply. and i think sincerely and authentically in the communist threat. at the time,

the main battle between the soviet union and the united states was the conquest of space. america leadership, bonner, demands leadership in space. b, american physicists were mobilized to build a military and space program science in the service of ideology, ne, believe that the work they had done as scientists had helped to contain the communist threat and protect american democracy. then the con squirrels collapsed o victory for america, and for the physicists engaged in the crusade for its supremacy agency work group, and yet they didn't lay down their weapons. transport soon after a conference was held in washington. among the speakers was french singer, a space race pioneer. however, he wasn't there to talk about rockets, but about the climate community.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often has very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist i. they'll see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time, time to sit down and talk with 1st, you must understand that there is no real scientific support for the so called global greenhouse warming. when the cold war ended, they seem to need a new enemy and the new enemy they found was environmentalism, which they interpreted is a kind of reads under the bed. what do they want?

what is a real goal? the real goal is political control of the economy. they're using the so called climate crisis caused by man as an excuse to do what they've always wanted to do. this is about re making and reforming society and it's in the socialist image. so darla's tooth stands in front of them and says no in the wake of the scientists who had embraced an ideology, the heartland institute is clearly the air of an era on the kid of the cold war, right? freedom of liberty is, is, is precious. and now you have something like kind of changed that actually threatens the existence of life on earth. and because it's so fundamental, it requires a significant intervention. and that's what they can't accept. why? well, because if you're emotionally invested in free markets, them climate change is a serious emotional threat because dealing with it means we have to change our approach to business. ah, and for some people that is extremely challenging,

it entails giving up airplane, travel, entails giving out for combustion. automobiles by the way, that means destroying one 4th of your cars, destroy one 4th of your power plant. i think i think our way of life is at risk in the scientific reason just isn't there our way of life. our frenzied consumption, our production methods. these are what we must change if science concludes that humans are responsible for global warming, which is unthinkable to some science. sure. but not a science that threatens our beliefs and values. ah, not if it stops us from living, happy, and carefree lives. and what if inside of us, we also had a need not to know psychologists

have clearly identified the individual cognitive mechanisms through which, unbeknownst to us, we construct our beliefs and limit our own knowledge. by turning our brain into a small factory of ignorance. mm. mm hm. a professor of psychology at bristol university in the united kingdom fund of endows k explores the complex relationships that we have with science. he wonders how to deal with a scientific consensus that doesn't suit us if people are threatened by the science, but they recognize that all the scientists, nearly all the scientists agree on that, then they are put into the situation of conflict or cognitive dissonance. what am i gonna do with my beliefs when all the scientists agree that you know my beliefs are under threat? ah, you must be eli,

i'm stealing and asking welcome to the experiment. thanks for coming. let me show you that the professor is carrying out an experiment he receives subjects willing to take part or coming. let me show you the lab. it's right here. seat on font, other computer place sour. what i want you to do is just read through that. then click at the bottom when you're ready to proceed with each of them, he firstly wants to assess their behavior. when confronted with scientific issues, their political leanings and their appetite or not for conspiracy theories to do so, he exposes each subject to dozens of affirmations. and they say whether or not they agree. there is no such thing as box animal. secret organizations come in like people psychologically. socialism has many advantages over capitalism, out of 100 climate scientists. how many do you think believe that c o 2 emissions caused climate change? so this is where we now analyze the data from the experiment and real time. and

what you see on the let, the results show a correlation between their opinions on scientific issues, their political beliefs and the size of their appetite for conspiracy theories. accepting that the concert when asked to explain why there is a scientific consensus, they will resort to conspiracies. when ever the scientific consensus is in conflict with their worldviews on vaccinations, climate change explain away the scientific consensus. it is extremely helpful to just basically say, well, the scientists are all engaged in group. thank or they are pursuing a political agenda. they're all sort of in a little bit of a conspiracy. the moment i do that, i can cling to my beliefs and i can dismiss the scientific consensus. what is really striking here is that for climate change, it matters a great deal because the more conservative people law, the more they think that scientists are conspiring to produce a consensus even saw for the scientific truth threatening your vision of the world

. then adopt a theory that says the scientists are all conniving against the truth. what do they want? what is the real goal? they're using so called climate crisis as an excuse in many scientific subjects, conspiracy theories, rain and each person proclaims their own theory. virus, a bio bio engineered virus, contains nanoparticles that can be activated on a time based arrangement by 5 g. of access isn't about you know, this suit and him all double click, go, sit on the me. a kid crucial. katie. all get easy, routine, thick auto humanity and we haven't sure, they just don't want to give it out. rumors and counter rumors abound some downside to the plot. others denounced those who denounce big news. ready share this

with on the networks he's one side against the other blog in have these confrontations supplanted the slow, meticulous approach of science. has it become to each their own truth? you know, if i think the us postal and drop it, we have gravity. that's not a matter of opinion. whatever our beliefs, we can't ignore reality. the victims of climate change, the victims of fine particle pollution. for those of infectious diseases in places where we've stopped vaccinating these faces are a reminder that we cannot ignore scientific truth without consequences. facts always impose themselves in the end and in spite of everything, our knowledge increases gradually building up in one way or another through the

ages. fuccillo beacon yes, yes. it was all i guess he the less as yeti ika. don't get a cold fixed associated good or bad. if you don't to ruin from local 2300 years ago . new scientific developments had to face off against the church today. it's really the market that has assumed the role of the church. the market has become that authority. that is hard to challenge another time, another setting. what makes the world go round today is the economy went along, the market replaces that of the church. what new limits will be empower on science? will this new face off decide which research is accepted? and of course, there are cases of the researcher caught in a conflict of interest. the scientist who ceases to remain objective because he's influenced by his financial backing. but the grip of the economy on science far

outweighs these individual cases. what impact the laws of the market have on research can only be grasped, if we look at the big picture, the candle actually delicate? yes, yes sir. fit a furnace in nama sip. de sales cafe, the market economy frames, science in a way that values and privileges science that can be monetize, that as lucrative researchers must generate money and find it. and so science is turned into a market place where everyone is trying to attract attention. to liter ball awful. so duncan gets you into a fat vella. now spc pc it's really move. he felt

a bit alamahood fernandez. i need to amanda maurice if that as you knew me he would seek whatever he does. you know me except the goes against mids. gun was heavy. the meat yielded alone. don't. i'll do mil. yeah. shall david zulema gentlemen. on domains is individually nanotechnology. undo his vein when he did, he shouted, ah, is it you're ready? nickleby, you actually? oh yo yo's dozens of things. it likes you. they upgraded my mind a bit. my artificial intelligence. this is too cool. i can walk. why don't the palace? oh, go and get it now sounded dumb in aiko new kid s o sasha. ah, less fashionable or less profitable in the short term, certain scientific feels have been deserted. some researchers have

identified what they call the problem of and done science. now that science that simply left an investigated because there's little commercial imperative in studying and mm. undone science, science that simply isn't done. the experiment never carried out the lab that never opened the epidemiological study that doesn't exist because it was never financed. the scientific books never written the medical thesis and ever published. these are the vast territories of ignorance, which we don't explore because they don't earn because we prefer not to know or because we never even imagined them. ah,

our need to know is limitless in our wonder at science permanent. but we also see science under threat of virus spreading and scientific denial spreading with it and making is not an issue. it's not that lethal and it's not an issue for many doctors hunter versus multiply and hinder our understanding. yeah, no, no. do you last year? fear fear going, get some either quite miracle cures appear. tonic water, let me see if we can see the workings of this manufacturer of ignorance, which the pioneers of ag, natalia methodically dismantle for us question, we could talk about it. why does that work? i mean, some law that they speak at the world's most prestigious universities, and they're now listened to on forms at round tables in the media. talk. any sales fixed is failed to let

a shaft of his office and more and more at parliamentary commissions and inquiries based on 15 years of research on the history of climate science and have calabria are still only a few. but for us, the general public, there are new force. we can count on their developing tools and methods and they're shutting light on ways to protect a common asset science. and it's meticulous progress. ah.

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